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Isaac Asimov: Prolific author, even more prolific sexual assaulter

By David Futrelle

The famously and rather ludicrously prolific science fiction and popular science writer Isaac Asimov — who claimed to have written or edited some 500 books — was born a century ago this month, and the occasion has inspired tributes in a variety of languages.

But there’s an uneasy tone to some of these tributes, because this longtime sci fi hero, who died in 1992, had a dark side hidden in plain sight — he was known not only as a tireless prose machine but also as a man who regularly, and enthusiastically groped women and sometimes tried to force them to kiss him.

Donald Trump bragged about grabbing women by the pussy; Asimov liked to grab and pinch women’s asses. Indeed, as Stephanie Zwan has documented, he was so well-known for this behavior that he was once asked to deliver a speech at a science fiction convention on “The Positive Power of Posterior Pinching.” While Asimov declined, partly because of the hassle of finding women who would consent to appear on stage with him so he could demonstrate his technique on them, he did suggest that he might change his mind “if the posteriors in question were of particularly compelling interest.”

Normally, of course, Asimov didn’t ask permission before pinching, or doing anything else; as he once joked to fellow science fiction luminary Frederick Pohl that, using his particular technique, “you get slapped a lot, but you get laid a lot, too.”

Within the science fiction community Asimov’s behavior was treated (at least by men) as little more than a sort of side effect of his affable personality — like a tendency to make bad puns, which might occasion both groans and laughs. Indeed, it was his reputation as a basically harmless lech that allowed him to get away with routine sexual harassment and assault for decades.

As biographer Alec Nevala-Lee has noted, Asimov’s

reputation as a groper became a running joke among science fiction fans. The writer and editor Judith Merril recalled that Asimov was known in the 1940s as “the man with a hundred hands,” and that he “apparently felt obliged to leer, ogle, pat, and proposition as an act of sociability.” …

It was all framed as nothing but good fun, as were his interactions with women once his success as an author allowed him to proceed with greater impunity. He writes in his memoirs of his custom of “hugging all the young ladies” at his publisher’s office, which was viewed indulgently by such editors as Timothy Seldes of Doubleday, who said, “All you want to do is kiss the girls and make collect calls. You’re welcome to that, Asimov.” In reality, his attentions were often unwanted, and women found excuses to be away from the building whenever he was scheduled to appear.

After his celebrity increased, his behavior at conventions became more egregious, as the editor Edward L. Ferman reminisced of a fan gathering in the late 1950s: “Asimov … instead of shaking my date’s hand, shook her left breast.”

Another Great Man who turns out to have been a massive shit.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

This is awful. Whenever there are this many stories of people someone assaulted, you know there’s probably at least as many, if not many more, people that were assaulted but whose stories never came to light.

I at one point enjoyed a few of his novels and short stories. Obviously I no longer will be recommending those.

In science fiction, there are so many reprehensible people who continue to get the spotlight while more diverse authors are stuck in the shadows. A very problematic trend, and I hope that this can change. I enjoy science fiction, but I am hesitant to participate in many community events because of that toxicity (see: Vox Day and the Sad Puppies, Isaac Asimov, etc).

Crip Dyke
8 months ago

@David:

Thanks for this, but I thought you should know:

Stephanie Zwan

is actually Stephanie Zvan, with a V.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Ugh. This one makes me sad because he was the first non-children’s author I liked as a kid.

I did a book report on him and made a robot to go with it. And I had a video about the planets that he narrated that I watched every other day in 2nd and 3rd grade (the other days were for Wizard of Oz).

Joekster
Joekster
8 months ago

Aw crud. I should stop quoting his statement on the American cult of ignorance, then.

He was also one of my favorite writers growing up.

Fungoides. Mycosis fungoides.

Unicorn Rider
Unicorn Rider
8 months ago

This is gross and disappointing. Sometimes I can’t help but wonder if there’s any well known person truly worthy of being admired. I know not everyone is a serial harasser, but still.

I personally think that since he’s already deceased, we can appreciate the stories on their own merit, since he can’t profit from it anyway. I get that not everyone feels that way though.

katster
katster
8 months ago

Our heroes all have feet of clay.

The original Foundation trilogy was one of those formative works for me. Heroes using their *wits* to get out of problems instead of their blasters? What does it mean to live knowing that your future is somewhat preordained? And what happens when a random variable is introduced?

Then I found out how much of an ass he was to women. And the person on the other end of that correspondence (Earl Kemp) is a pretty big name in the part of science fiction fandom I found myself in, which just made it worse.

I’ve decided I won’t stop recognizing his works — Foundation and I, Robot are some of the ur-texts of the genre, and the latter contains the Three Laws of Robotics, which still influences designers of robots and AI. That said, if I recommend them, I now add the caveat about his lecherousness and treatment of women so people have the full picture.

-kat

Definitely not Steve
Definitely not Steve
8 months ago

Well, my first favorite sci fi author was Orson Scott Card, so I’ve already been on this disappointment train. (Although, mine also came with the embarrassment I will forever feel that I actually liked that intellectualist masturbation fantasy, once.)

Surely there are more than enough decent and good people who have written – and are still writing – excellent fiction in the world. I hope their works can rise to at least a fraction of the prominence that Asimov’s have.

Snowberry
Snowberry
8 months ago

Yet another reminder that, while ambition and disdain for other people’s autonomy don’t entirely overlap, they do overlap with an alarming degree of regularity.

Catalpa
Catalpa
8 months ago

Ugh. Always a disappointment to find out that creators are shitty people. I hope that the women he assaulted didn’t have any more experiences like that.

That said, I enjoy a number of HP Lovecraft’s stories, and that guy was an utter asshole in every way. It’s up to everyone’s own judgement, but I think that it’s not necessarily bad to consume something created by a shitty person. It’s important to consider that their shitty views may have leaked into their work and to consume it critically, but the enjoyment of the thing is something that you create, not something the shitty person created.

And then later you can take all the good elements of the shitty person’s work and make something way better than that just to dunk on them. For Lovecraft, Jonathan Sims of The Magnus Archives has done cosmic horror amazingly well, and with themes and a cast of characters that would have Lovecraft spinning in his grave. It’s so gratifying to listen to.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
8 months ago

Well, this is a disappointment. As I recall, Asimov — although not my favorite author but one whom I consistently enjoyed — was unusually respectful of his female characters. This kind of respect gave me hope for my own future.

Now it turns out that he was a jerk. Because the bar for male public figures is extraordinarily low, I’m just gonna say it: I’m relieved that he wasn’t a rapist. At least as far as I know.

#Scifiauthorsespeciallyfuturistspleasestopbeingjerksthx

Crip Dyke
8 months ago

Surely there are more than enough decent and good people who have written – and are still writing – excellent fiction in the world. I hope their works can rise to at least a fraction of the prominence that Asimov’s have.

Try

Octavia Butler
C.J. Cherryh
Celia S. Friedman (AKA C.S. Friedman)
N.K. Jemisin
Mercedes Lackey
Ann Leckie
Tamora Pierce
John Scalzi

(alphabetical order, not preferential or quality order)

I am actually not very familiar with Friedman, whom I think is one of the good ones, but don’t know enough about to be sure.

I’m pretty darn sure of the rest. (Though, of course, not absolutely, I could always be wrong.)

epronovost
epronovost
8 months ago

Considering Asimov age and the culture in which he grew, his behavior isn’t that abherrant by the standard of his time. The man probably never was raised to empathised with women. In fact he was propably repeatedly thaught that women liked that sort of thing, especially when it’s a popular person doing it. I don’t think that Asimov should be criticised with the same harshness than a man living today.

kupo
kupo
8 months ago

Considering Asimov age and the culture in which he grew, his behavior isn’t that abherrant by the standard of his time.

I’m really sick of this argument.

David Rose
David Rose
8 months ago

@epronovost

I disagree. Even if social norms were different in Asimov’s day, there were undoubtedly countless men who didn’t behave that way. Famous or not, we don’t hear about their interactions with women because their behavior was unremarkable enough to escape comment.

That Asimov was a product of more traditional mores and that his lechery survived alongside his reputation is, actually, a combination remarkable enough to note.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
8 months ago

Yes, but because of his historically significant, phenooomenal talent, we should excuse his “pecadillo”, i.e. using human beings as sexual devices/slaves, etc., because those humans just aren’t important and don’t have rights when you look at it in context. So sayeth that Monty Python actor whose name I’ve forgotten already. /end sarcasm and time to puke.

Thank you Kupo and David Rose for your excellent rebuttals to tired old excuses, BTW.

Talonknife
Talonknife
8 months ago

I always hate when it turns out an author of something I enjoy is a shitty person. A guy by the name of Larry Correia wrote a book series about a group of paramilitary monster hunters and even though the politics in it were a bit libertarian dipshit-y, I still enjoyed it as a “dumb fun” book. But then then I found out he was involved in Vox Day’s Sad Puppies conspiracy and now I’m not sure if I want to read the rest of the series. I think I’ve mentioned this here before, but this seems like a particularly relevant post to bring it up again.

Dreamer
Dreamer
8 months ago

Octavia Butler is my fav sci-fi writer.

galanx
galanx
8 months ago

Not to mention James Triptree Jr.

Vespertine
Vespertine
8 months ago

I heard that Andy Weir’s (The Martian) close friend Casey went down for pornographic content of underaged people, and at least one of his other close friends has serially done extremely questionable things to drunk/vulnerable women 15+ years his junior.

At this point I only read women sci fi authors.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
8 months ago

Considering Asimov age and the culture in which he grew, his behavior isn’t that abherrant by the standard of his time. The man probably never was raised to empathised with women. In fact he was propably repeatedly thaught that women liked that sort of thing, especially when it’s a popular person doing it. I don’t think that Asimov should be criticised with the same harshness than a man living today.

Nonsense. At the very least in the USA in the twentieth century — a place and century with which I am extremely familiar, through my own experience, the experiences of my mother, and books — groping women was never okay. Never. And if it happened — well, that’s why hatpins sometimes had to be deployed as weapons.

“The Hatpin Peril” Terrorized Men Who Couldn’t Handle the 20th-Century Woman
To protect themselves from unwanted advances, city women protected themselves with some sharp accessories

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/hatpin-peril-terrorized-men-who-couldnt-handle-20th-century-woman-180951219/

vaiyt
vaiyt
8 months ago

Asimov’s thing for asses is well documented, considering a significant chunk of Foundation’s Edge is spent telling the reader how big and juicy a certain robot woman’s posterior is.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 months ago

Won’t prevent me from reading and appreciating its production, but I wouls sure have prefered him being less of an asshole.

Strong case for “differenciate the author and the novels”, including the fact him failing at basic human etiquette should inform interpretations.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
8 months ago

Octavia Butler
C.J. Cherryh
Celia S. Friedman (AKA C.S. Friedman)
N.K. Jemisin
Mercedes Lackey
Ann Leckie
Tamora Pierce
John Scalzi

Jemisins Broken Earth trilogy was haunting. Butlers stuff is always good, especially the two Parable of… books

In addition to these I’d recommend:
Ursula Le Guinn’s Left Hand of Darkness.

James SA Corey (pseudonym for the duo Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck): They are also writers on the show The Expanse (which is based on their books) and are very devoted to having the cast be as diverse as it is in their books and not have it be ‘white men in space’.

Edging a lot further towards science fantasy, but I recently read Gideon the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir and that was also a lot of fun.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
8 months ago

I never got the appeal of Asimov’s novels. They were just so boring.

And the whole conceit of the Foundation novels of ‘History can be predicted by maths’ made for a somewhat compelling story, but had me grumble ‘that’s not how maths work, also too many variables’ the whole way through. Made it a bit difficult to suspend my disbelieve.

I’ve mostly stopped reading male writers. Cause I got sick of the male gaze.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Crip Dyke
Thank you for the recommendations. I’ll check those out when I get a chance.

@epronovost

Considering Asimov age and the culture in which he grew, his behavior isn’t that abherrant by the standard of his time. The man probably never was raised to empathised with women. In fact he was propably repeatedly thaught that women liked that sort of thing, especially when it’s a popular person doing it. I don’t think that Asimov should be criticised with the same harshness than a man living today.

In addition to what other commenters have said about how many men didn’t do what he did, I’d like to add that even though Asimov is dead, many of his victims are likely still alive. Imagine how hurtful it is to the people he harmed for someone to say that he shouldn’t be condemned because of the time he lived in. They’re still hurt regardless of the time he grew up in.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 months ago

And, generally speaking, “a product of his age” isn’t an excuse for being a dickhead. Napoleon isn’t any less guilty of the various people he killed and the devastating wars he did because the culture of the time allowed for it.

People can, and should, do the right thing even if it’s widely accepted.

rv97
rv97
8 months ago

Shame. Bought a song bearing his last name (only thing related to him), but I’ve never got into his literature. It’s a damn good thing I don’t get into anything these days, because of stuff like this as well as how there’s a trend these days of not being able to keep what one pays for.

TB Tabby
TB Tabby
8 months ago

Just throw it on the pile with the others. Sometimes I worry that there are more beloved figures who were sexual abusers than weren’t.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 months ago

@TB Tabby : power corrupt. One should generally know that if someone is a celebrity or a powerful one, he is *probably* given a free pass for whatever his personal dickheadness is, which in turn mean he is that much more likely to fall into it.

In France an actual pedophile, who bragged and wrote book about being a pedophile, was protected by the establishment as being just an excentric author by that phenomen, and just recently and under a lot of pressure was he cast out.

Most people, even fairly famous one, don’t go *that* far, but it’s alway harder to resist temptation when you know there won’t be retribution. Asimov was only a human, and while we should not accept his behavior, it’s also a sadly predictible one.

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

@epronovost, did you somehow miss the fact that Asimov himself said “you get slapped a lot”? He knew that many of his victims disliked his behaviour enough to fight back. So please let’s not pretend that he somehow believed all women enjoyed being groped.

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

@Knitting Cat Lady:

I never got the appeal of Asimov’s novels. They were just so boring.

I’m not sure I’d agree that they were boring. But the characters were paper-thin. Asimov was my introduction to SF, but I moved on once my tastes had developed enough to want better characters, and I’ve never been tempted to return to him.

And the whole conceit of the Foundation novels of ‘History can be predicted by maths’ made for a somewhat compelling story, but had me grumble ‘that’s not how maths work, also too many variables’ the whole way through. Made it a bit difficult to suspend my disbelieve.

This I agree with. His “psychohistory” seemed a big dumb idea to me.

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

@Vespertine:

At this point I only read women sci fi authors.

Best to avoid Marion Zimmer Bradley, though, since she turned out to be a monster.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
8 months ago

@Moggie
Marion Zimmer Bradley’s books are all feminist works. The Darkover series and The Mists of Avalon are wonderful. But those are her books. Her life was something different.

C.A. Collins
C.A. Collins
8 months ago

@Talonknife:
Correia founded the Sad Puppies, and brought Day in because:

In response to a question about their decision to bring in Vox Day to the Puppies effort:

Correia: Last year, given that my goal was to get these people to demonstrate to the world what they’re like, so I was going though, I was looking at shorter work – I really did like the story… I really did like it… my fanbase, they liked it too… so when I was putting together my slate… I started looking at it, said, okay, I like this story, they hate him, they look under the bed for him before they go to sleep at night, and he’s like the devil to them. But […] in the history of art, scumbags have created art. Okay? Otherwise there’s a lot of, you know, Roman Polanski is going to have to give a lot of Academy Awards back, okay?

And the next year, VD set up the Rabid Puppies, and proved rather better than Correia at getting griefers to spend $40 to vote lockstep, and the Sad Puppies became useful meat shields for VD.
TLDR: Correia wasn’t led astray by bad companions. He was an ass before he hooked up with VD.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 months ago

Being a women don’t immunize against being an asshole. I guess it’s reasonable to think women authors are more likely to be clean, as long as one remember a lot of them have problematic opinions here and there. (or worse.)

Françoise Dolto, a well known psycho-analyst and pediatrist, have been outed to me as saying really problematic stuff on abused women, which saddened me since I liked a bunch of what she did on children development.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
8 months ago

@ epronovost:

his behavior isn’t that abherrant by the standard of his time.

Though this has been discussed, I need to weigh in… His BEHAVIOR isn’t what’s “[not] all that abhorrent…”, his BEHAVIOR is despicable by ANY standards of any time. To illustrate, consider an example: Asimov was invited to visit the White House…. He gives the President a hearty handshake, then pinches the First Lady on the butt. I don’t feel the need to expand any more on the example….

What is NOT unusual by the standards of his time is HIM GETTING AWAY WITH IT

@ David Rose:

that his lechery survived alongside his reputation is, actually, a combination remarkable

Again (see above), I don’t agree that his getting away with it is in any way unusual. We have a sexual predator in the white house (formerly known as t”The White House”), and TWO on the supreme court (formerly known as “The Supreme Court”)

@ Kupo:

I’m really sick of this argument.

me, too… and that is NOT a pun…. 🙁

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@C.A. Collins
At least the Hugo voters were wise enough to vote against the Sad/Rabid Puppies. And it was amusing when Chuck Tingle bought the domain name.
Vox is still a piece of shit though.

@Weird Eddie

his BEHAVIOR is despicable by ANY standards of any time.

And even if it was once acceptable by societal standards we know that it was wrong, and we need to use the lens of what’s actually right or wrong, not what was considered such at the time.

Again (see above), I don’t agree that his getting away with it is in any way unusual.

I’m not seeing it as unusual either. Sadly, sexual predators getting away with what they did is the norm.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
8 months ago

@Vespertine:

At this point I only read women sci fi authors.

… at this point I only read paleoanthropology books

seriously, I don’t think I’ve read a novel in the last 40 years (which is neither here nor there…)

BUT, then I have to deal with events like the author of one of the most personally influential books in the field (The Selfish Gene), diving into the “Elevatorgate” mudpit, then doubling down, then tripling down… ruining his reputation and leaving a level of uncertainty in my mind about everything he’s written….

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
8 months ago

My firm move to “too-far-to-work-to”, so I am in the uncomfortable decision of either changing job or requesting full remote job.

On the other hand, the privileges I have both from my line of work and who I am mean it don’t require much effort to get either, but I sincerely feel for the poor sods who either need a new job right now or need to organize for significantly bigger commute with all that it entail.

Stupid bureaucrats that take needless decision without understanding how cruel they are.

C.A. Collins
C.A. Collins
8 months ago

VD is definitely a shit. The reason most of the SFWA hated him at that time was he used the official SWFA email to call Jensma an “ignorant half-savage” after N. K. Jemisin, during her delivery of the Guest of Honour speech at 2013 Continuum in Australia, stated that 10% of the SFWA membership voted for Beale in his bid for the SFWA presidential position and called him “a self-described misogynist, racist, anti-Semite, and a few other flavors of asshole”.
Correia’s take: Well, here’s the thing, and actually, I know the guy? I don’t think he is [a scumbag], I think what it is is that he a guy who is an internet curmudgeon who likes to pick fights with people, who got in a fight with a racist, and said racist things, in response to somebody who is hurling racist slurs for years. However, one person was from the approved clique and therefore got a pass, and the other guy is, you know, Satan-slash-Hitler, and the end of the world. So I threw him on there because I did [ed: like? knew? unclear] him, I liked the story, oh boy, that was… that caused some controversy…
Yeah, Correia is an asshole on his own. At least the SWFA did better than the RWA’s performance. They ejected the asshole, and kept the diversity.
And Mr. Tingle is an absolute delight.

Katamount
8 months ago

Yeah, I never quite got Asimov either. Me, I was always bigger into the works of Phillip K. Dick. Dune is also one of my favourite novels, but ol’ Frank kinda lost me after Children.

But honestly, I stopped doing “heroes” a while ago. My very first band–the one I could call my own as music that I liked that wasn’t something my parents exposed me to–was Oasis. The Gallagher Brothers are monumental pricks. Still buy their solo stuff to this day. Jimmy Page in all likelihood took advantage of underage fans. Still listen to Zeppelin.

I can only imagine what trans Harry Potter fans are going through right now.

The way that we, the powerless public, conceive of public figures in the abstract is a fraught thing at the best of times. It’s tough to hold dead people accountable and if something had a huge impact on your upbringing, it can be difficult to accede to demands to “cancel” that individual or their work. I can’t help but think of Contrapoints’s recent video on “Canceling”. At the risk of opening a can of worms, I think it was quite prescient the way it outlined exactly how the thought processes of social media consensus (and at worst, dogpiles) can come about, for better or worse.

Terrible people can create incredible works. Otherwise incredible people can do a handful of terrible things. Demand proportional accountability where one can and keep moving through life. That’s all I got.

Grace
Grace
8 months ago

epronovost:

Considering Asimov age and the culture in which he grew, his behavior isn’t that abherrant by the standard of his time.

To be sure, all of us learned things growing up which look awful when viewed by later standards. That said, many people figure out how not to perpetuate some or all of those crappy things.

Worth a read:

http://www.viruscomix.com/page474.html

Grace

Moggie
Moggie
8 months ago

@Katamount, as far as I’m concerned the greatest thing Noel Gallagher ever gave the world was a quote about Liam: “He’s the angriest man you’ll ever meet. He’s like a man with a fork in a world of soup”. He might as well have retired after that: that’s his immortal legacy.

@C.A. Collins, the current RWA soap opera is amazing. I feel kind of guilty about gawping at it, since I’m not into romance at all, but I’m hoping that certain shitheels get their comeuppance.

@Ohlmann, good luck with work, whichever way you choose. I’m currently counting down the days until I take early retirement. I don’t know whether this will turn out to be the right decision, but I want a few years to myself before the world becomes unbearable to live in. One way or another, I’m convinced that I wouldn’t make it to normal retirement age.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
8 months ago

One of the Foundation books was the very first novel I read in English, almost randomly picked from the library to fulfill a language learning assignment at school. It was extremely unmemorable and difficult to understand (I was about 17 and not very well read in English yet). I never felt tempted to try Asimov again later.

I think the first English novel I enjoyed was the Hitchiker trilogy by Douglas Adams, after I’d first enjoyed the Finnish translation. Much later, I heard Adams was also reputedly some sort of a creep with women. Like Asimov, he died just about in time before people started talking about it loudly.

Johanna
Johanna
8 months ago

@vespertine – for various reasons, I went digging for further info on the matter you mentioned and I’m not finding Casey on the sex offender registry so either he was acquitted or did a plea bargain of some kind (assuming it’s not still on the docket awaiting trial – but public records stated a court date of spring of last year. My mobile-phone-based search-fu ran out on me at that point)

If you don’t read authors because their friends do terrible things, doesn’t that rather cut down your options at the library? Granted, it’s another story if an author excuses/defends someone doing terrible things (*side-eyes everyone who stuck up for Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, etc) but the mere fact of acquaintance…?

kupo
kupo
8 months ago

I’m mostly reading women of color at this point.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 months ago

I really appreciate how this post highlights not only the awful things Asimov did but also the many people that knew and happily allowed him to continue to behave that way.

Who
Who
8 months ago

I also liked Asimov a lot when I was growing up. (Bradbury was the other old writer, whose work I liked a lot)

About Vox Day: If you want to participate in fandom, Naglifar, don’t be afraid of him, at cons he is a nonfactor. (It is unknown if he is even allowed to visit the USA) Rapid puppys (execpt those who where nominated for a Hugo) played also no role at the worldcons, sads some they have moved away since then. (There are cons were friendly to puppys I must say, very rightwing ones) He has semingly left the Fantasywriting to focus on his alt-rightstuff.

About Chuck Tingle the funny think was VD nominated him, and then Chuck started to troll and I had the impresion that Day (“I meaned to do that”) lost all his fun that year. Sorry it was glorious.

And then N. K. Jemisin won the Hugo for the first book of her Broken Earthtrilogie.

We all have stuff that we like from people who are horible. I can ignore that more easy with music than with writing. (MZB I don’t think I can ever read again)

Thanks god I never have read Vox Day (has anyone here?) or Larry Correia. I read Butcher, who was involved in the puppystuff, I am less interested in his next book since then.

C.A. Collins
C.A. Collins
8 months ago

@Moggie: IKR? I binge-watched the RWA’s implosion in real time.
And once again, Mr. Tingle is a delight:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083FKZ4ZK/

Mrs Morley
Mrs Morley
8 months ago

@epronovost:

I don’t know which you meant: “aberrant” or “abhorrent” behavior.

If the first, well yeah, many people who can do lousy things, do them. So many in fact, that maybe it’s ordinary rather than unusual.

But even if you meant that Asimov’s behavior wouldn’t be considered an aberration, you’re wrong. It was considered an aberration at the time.

He didn’t get by with it because mid 20th century US citizens believed that groping women was a polite interaction. He got by with it because Special People – particularly if they are white men – get away with lousy behavior.

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