By David Futrelle
You have to give Reddit’s lady haters credit for one thing: they are endlessly creative in coming up with new excuses to hate the ladies. The latest? Women laughing amongst themselves.
Take it away, incel dude on The_Graypill subreddit.
Hoo boy.
Dudes, sometimes people get together with friends, and one of them says something funny, and the others laugh.
H/T: Thanks to Jen_There_Done_That in the Blue Pill subreddit for snagging this gem from The_Graypill subreddit.
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@Amtep
So it’s supposed to be coming back around? They don’t seem to be coming back around.
Of course it’s not working. Does anything incels do “work”? They sure don’t seem productive.
If there’s a blackpill and a greypill, there’s gotta be a whitepill. Is that when you’re an incel because you’re a white nationalist and women aren’t into that?
@WWTH
Urban Dictionary says it’s the opposite of blackpill. So, to be white pill means to be optimistic and hopeful. Sounds hard but it’s better than feeling hopeless and depressed all the time.
I don’t know if there’s a word for white nationalists who can’t get laid. Maybe “fashcel?”
I believe the term is “white nationalist”…
@Naglfar
If “fashcel” instead meant fashion-cel istead is of fascist-cel maybe they wouldn’t be so unhappy. But fashion is too fun and positive (although I struggle with that as a feminist because of how patriarchy says we *have* to dress a certain way but I do it because of what I want to do). So they probably wouldn’t have fun dressing nicely but instead would complain about what women are wearing. So I guess fashcel for fashion-cel could never happen.
@Gaebolga
Unfortunately it does seem that some white nationalists are able to get wives. And some also sleep with their in-laws as well.
-pill ideology needs to end, since misogynists transformed a pop-culture reference based on a philosophical argument on our very existence to an excuse to hate women.
I’ve been accused of blackpilling though elsewhere (because I do genuinely think this world’s fucked, but by Nazi, misogynist and other far-right and even more moderate conservative scum), although not in a manner that’s ever sympathetic to what these incels stand for, since they hate women.
There are so many pills now that I lose track. Which one is the grey one?
Those reactionaries sure do love that film made by two trans women.
I don’t normally put much stock in the idea that “society is over-medicated,” but I think these people are taking too many pills.
@Citerior Motive
Do the incels know? Incel attitudes towards trans women range from extreme hatred to fetishization, with little in the middle.
And, do the Wachowskis know about how much misogynists love their movie? I can’t imagine they’d be pleased.
Um, where exactly is the weirdness here? Or is every member of a pack supposed to be different? Oh God, he’s thinking of life like a fantasy quest game, isn’t he? You need a bard and a cleric and so on. You can’t have a bunch of people who get on because they shares interests and tastes.
@Definitely not Steve
And most of them are placebos. No truth to them, but they sure do make you feel better.
@Rabid Rabbit
You’re right about the no truth, but I don’t think these pills make people feel better. To take the black pill means to have no hope. That doesn’t make things better.
@Naglfar:
Oh, I have no doubt they’re still bitter and joyless at heart, but it gives them something to believe in and something to rant about. It gives them a way to focus their anger so they can get an endorphin high from expressing it. “I’m miserable but I know the truth” is one way to give yourself a twisted self-esteem boost in the middle of your terrible self-esteem.
A nocebo then ?
Re: parrots and imitation – in NZ we have a bird called a tui that has done very well in urban settings and thrives in suburbs. They do awesome imitations of car horns and the like and one recovering after an injury in a bird sanctuary learned to ask (passably well) do you want to go for a swim? So great. (Male bird I should note.)
I find being told I’m talking or laughing too loudly just about the most offensive and demoralising thing ever. Being leered at (for me) is only marginally worse. We’re not allowed to be heard cos we’re women? I’m supposed to be quiet and demure cos I’m a woman? No one wants to hear what I say cos I’m a woman? By speaking we’re imposing upon the men who should be speaking instead and if they listen to us they’re doing us a favour (pat the burbling woman on the head, so cute).
Makes me wild!
@FlyByKiwi
I so get that and have struggled to fight against it and I’m making progress and feel better about it. Just want to say you have every right to be mad but in realizing that and in expressing yourself is strength .
I teach ESL (English as a Second Language). Another teacher complained my class was filled with too much wild laughter. First I was told to keep it down. Then I was told, “Better to laugh than cry” by the top, lol! Oddly enough people learn another language faster when they’re having fun.
Others have already addressed what “grey pill” is, but I went to the trouble of taking screenshots so I’m gonna post them anyway, dammit 🙂
and here are the roools:
I also went down an internet rabbit hole (why yes, I am procrastinating) and found a different type of grey pill here
@Full Metal Ox, thanks for the possible explanation of the pun. Ugh!
@Mish
Scientific blackpill is an oxymoron.
I live in a major metropolitan area in the US and our commuter trains have “quiet cars” during rush hour so people can work, sleep, read, etc. during the commute. Don’t get me wrong, I’m an introvert who LOVES the quiet cars. But not everyone immediately knows the rules. Of course, sometimes people mistakenly engage in conversations or phone calls while sitting in the quiet car, and other passengers have to let them know that they’re transgressing a boundary. This is total anecdata but I’ve seen it play out this way hundreds of times.
Man calls out loud man or group of men for being loud in the quiet car (somewhat rare): “Hey man, sorry… but this is a quiet car” met with apologetic and immediate reversal of transgressive behavior
Woman calls out loud man (rare) or group of men (practically unheard of): “excuse me sir, but this is a quiet car” met with eye rolls and commiserating glances with other men within eye rolling vicinity, and sometimes guy/s feel entitled to finish the conversation regardless of being made aware of having transgressed a boundary
Man calls out not-that-loud woman or group of women (frequent): “This is a quiet car. Can’t you read the sign? It’s right there.” Met with approving glances from most other passengers. If the women are particularly young, or particularly old, or not white, or not speaking English, the tone is usually extra-condescending.
Yeah, the standards of behavior are not consistent, to put it mildly.
@Naglfar
Absolutely.
And this reminds me – I only recently learned that the Bell Curve guy, when writing about IQ differences across the world, literally guessed the national IQ of multiple countries because he didn’t have any actual data.
(I know IQ is basically BS anyway but it’s still gobsmacking…)
“Honkpill”? OK, I give up.
Greypill basically sounds like MGTOW. Men trying to live productive lives, but every five seconds they lapse back into “we hate women but we’re not gonna waste time posting about it GODDAMN I HATE WOMEN”.
My mother used to dole out supplements to me at breakfast. The most fascinating-looking one was the seaweed pill (full of minerals), which was variegated shades of gray. I think that’s the mysterious graypill. It’s for incels who want to be healthier while they kick back and “enjoy the collapse and the chaos” around them. Good times.
I’m autistic and have some entertaining aural sensitivities so groups of people are painful, while simultaneously not having a huge amount of control over my own voice volume. I get loud when passionate about a subject or excited. I don’t know it until someone tells me. It was fun yesterday when the autistic game’s group I’m part of went out for a Christmas meal. We all get loud. It’s mostly men though. I think we managed two and a half hours before we were all exhausted from being sociable and decided to go home.
Groups of people are generally loud, whatever their gender or neurology, it’s called being human. And it’s why I have a pair of noise cancelling headphones and always know where the loos are.
If that guy intended to make a pun, he failed.