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Jordan Peterson fans mansplain makeup: “You try to cheat men’s brains by presenting a more sexually attractive face than you really have”

WTF are you talking about, lobster-boy?

By David Futrelle

Reactionary Canadian fussbudget Jordan Peterson was roundly mocked for suggesting that women wearing lipstick are trying to mimic the look of sexual arousal, when women’s lips apparently all turn dark red or pink or perhaps No. 19 Fuchsia Rouge.

But to his fans his thoughts on the allegedly “provocative” nature of lipstick were eminently reasonable, and the Lobster Boys continue to get mad about the alleged deceptions of makeup on a regular basis.

Earlier this year an actual woman bravely marched into the Jordan Peterson subreddit to inform the gentlemen assembled there that she doesn’t wear makeup to signal her sexual readiness but instead to appear, well, awake, noting that when she doesn’t wear makeup she looks tired, even when she isn’t.

The boys were having none of it.

“[L]ooking nice” is synonymous with looking sexually desirable,” mansplained someone calling himself Vito_The_Magnificent.

You cannot make yourself look nicer, but less sexually desirable. They’re the same thing. …

If one of my eyebrows is bigger than the other, its going to bother me. I’m not thinking of other people when I fix it, but fundementally, I’m fixing it because humans, including me, find symmetry sexually desirable.

Someone called Mexails went on the offensive, accusing the OP of dastardly makeup manipulation.

Come on, looking alert and fresh is obviously == looking more attractive. You put it on to look more attractive, because you prefer to show a fake freshness to people and prefer to hide how you really look. You prefer to manipulate people into treating you differently than they would if they’d actually see how you look for real.

You try to cheat their brain by presenting a more sexually attractive face to them than what you really have.

TheMythOf_Feminism jumped into the fray as well, declaring that sexual provocation is

what makeup is used for. It mimicks for example, the natural female indicators of sexual fertility and sexual arousal.

Of course there are different types of makeup and different amount a woman can use, the point is, generally speaking , a woman wearing makeup is using sex to get things like favor and attention.

But my favorite comment of the bunch comes from an amateur evolutionary biologist called ee4m:

Women become energized when ejaculated into, while men become sleepy. Women use make up to look more awake, to create a sexual freshly ejaculated into vibe. Its evolutionary biology.

I think — or at least hope –he’s joking, but honestly, I don’t know. I spent about a half hour going through his comment history to try to figure out his politics; he calls himself a leftist but thinks “identity politics” is a capitalist plot and has nice things to say both about Christina Hoff Sommers … and Mao. And JBP. So I give up.

If he is serious, I guess I must have missed that day in biology class.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

If one of my eyebrows is bigger than the other, its going to bother me. I’m not thinking of other people when I fix it, but fundementally, I’m fixing it because humans, including me, find symmetry sexually desirable.

Wait, is this their admission that they’re doing the same thing? So when men adjust their appearance with the explicit intention of being more attractive it’s okay, but when women use makeup it’s deception? Some interesting doublethink they’ve got going on here.

Women become energized when ejaculated into, while men become sleepy. Women use make up to look more awake, to create a sexual freshly ejaculated into vibe. Its evolutionary biology.

This sounds familiar. How much do people want to bet this is a semen retainer?
Also, the beginning is rather ambiguous. I think he meant that men become sleepy after ejaculating, but I read it the first time as men become sleepy after being ejaculated into. Those are rather different, and I doubt Jordan would approve of the last one seeing as (I think?) he’s a homophobe.

I spent about a half hour going through his comment history to try to figure out his politics; he calls himself a leftist but thinks “identity politics” is a capitalist plot and has nice things to say both about Christina Hoff Sommers … and Mao. And JBP. So I give up.

Skidmarxist.

So, I’ll just be here waiting for the Peterson stan trolls to show up screeching “context!”comment image

Miri Rabinowitz
Miri Rabinowitz
9 months ago

I guess that’s why I don’t wear makeup. 😁✌

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 months ago

You put it on to look more attractive, because you prefer to show a fake freshness to people and prefer to hide how you really look. You prefer to manipulate people into treating you differently than they would if they’d actually see how you look for real.

There is the very slightest grain of truth to this for certain contexts. For example, makeup is often considered more “dressy” or more “professional.” I wear makeup for a lot of reasons (mostly because it’s fun for me and I like it) but definitely one of the reasons is because a certain kind of makeup look is considered to be just part of how my face should look when I’m working. Women and people who are perceived as women are often punished for not conforming to these expectations of “professionalism.”

If that pisses you off (it should!) maybe attack the expectation rather than the people who have to choose between being a woman and being punished at work for that and being a woman and being punished at work for both that and for not being a woman correctly. Both of those choices suck!

Some workplaces are just one example of where certain styles of makeup can be an expectation that determines how women/perceived women are treated. It just happens to be the most relevant in my own life, which is why I’ve discussed it here.

Also, expectations for what “womanhood” should look like are associated with both race and class, so people of colour and lower-class people face greater and different impacts than white and upper-class people from this policing of makeup.

Moggie
Moggie
9 months ago

Have you seen Jordan Peterson? He frequently wears a suit and tie, rather than the minimum standard of dress required to avoid arrest or hypothermia. His hair is short and combed: unnatural! True, he has facial hair, but it’s trimmed, not the full Grizzly Adams look nature demands. What this all tells me is that Jordan Peterson is a total slut, and should be shunned as the deceiver he is.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Moggie

What this all tells me is that Jordan Peterson is a total slut, and should be shunned as the deceiver he is.

So, it seems like Peterson’s fanbase is overwhelmingly young straight men, but that made me think: does he get groupies? I don’t want to think about anything sexual and Jordan Peterson, but now I can’t stop thinking it.

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
9 months ago

I noticed that their are male chauvinists who complain about women wearing make up and also complaining about women not wearing make up and fabricating tin foil chewing conspiracy theories for both.

I get the impression this is not a coincidence…. if anything this seems intentional on their part….

numerobis
numerobis
9 months ago

Naglfar: what happened to that poor seal? Looks like his left flipper is injured.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@numerobis
I didn’t even notice that. I don’t know. I posted a picture of a sea lion bouncing to represent the Peterson stans that show up whenever we discuss the lobster messiah.

Now I’m tempted to record a parody of Leper Messiah by Metallica called Lobster Messiah about JBP.

Michael James Brew
Michael James Brew
9 months ago

It sounds like they’re just defining sexual provocativeness as any attempt to not look like you just crawled through a landfill. I guess if you broaden the definition so much that wiping your own ass would be sexually provocative you can accuse just about anybody of such, but then it’s not a very useful definition.

MJ
MJ
9 months ago

Never fails to amaze me how manbabies with zero experience with live women (outside of relatives) are 100% sure of all the facts about women and dating them and anything else they know utterly nothing about.

Nothing says “I’m on the Internet so I are an expert!” like the teens and 20-something white manbabies of reddit.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@MJ

Never fails to amaze me how manbabies with zero experience with live women (outside of relatives) are 100% sure of all the facts about women and dating them and anything else they know utterly nothing about.

All the manosphere and alt right pseudointellectuals and their followers are the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

If men want to wear make up to look hotter, they can do it too. Just saying.

Nicholas Kiddle
Nicholas Kiddle
9 months ago

You cannot make yourself look nicer, but less sexually desirable. They’re the same thing. …

This seems like an admission that he can’t think someone looks nice without immediately wanting to fuck them. Which, if true, is not really the kind of thing he should be telling the world.

Weasel-Rah
Weasel-Rah
9 months ago

You cannot make yourself look nicer, but less sexually desirable? Either this guy does not know the be-permed blue haired church ladies I know, or he has an interesting fetish.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Nicholas Kiddle

This seems like an admission that he can’t think someone looks nice without immediately wanting to fuck them. Which, if true, is not really the kind of thing he should be telling the world.

It does seem like a self own of sorts. Though, as we have seen, these kinds of people are the masters of accidental self owns.

Reminds me a bit of this clip from Alexis’s podcast:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/200314/1066937-self-owns-self-help-a-sketch-from-the-violet-wanderers-podcast.mp3

@Weasel-Rah

Either this guy does not know the be-permed blue haired church ladies I know, or he has an interesting fetish.

My guess is that Peterson is probably anti masturbation like the rest of the alt right and so his fans are really horny and find everything to be sexy.

Catalpa
Catalpa
9 months ago

Women use make up to look more awake, to create a sexual freshly ejaculated into vibe

Wait, I’m confused. Why would a woman giving off a vibe of “I just had sex with a man who isn’t you!” be sexually appealing to these chucklefucks? I thought that evolutionary biology was all about how men are supposedly biologically driven to want teenage girls virgins because something something genetic preservation.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
9 months ago

@WWTH You just reminded me of that lip-sync battle that Tom Holland was in. 😀 Yummy!

(Also very happy I grew up during the New Wave era – made-up men everywhere!)

Lainy
Lainy
9 months ago

I still fail to see how my blood red lipstick or my black mat lipstick makes me look more fertile.

Paireon
Paireon
9 months ago

Wait, I’m confused. Why would a woman giving off a vibe of “I just had sex with a man who isn’t you!” be sexually appealing to these chucklefucks?

@Catalpa – Well, given their obsession with talking about “cucks”, I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them ended up developing a cuckolding fetish. Which they would sublimate by becoming violently angry at the women they thought were “sluts”, and would then justify their anger by pointing out that these women (who have never been in a relationship with them) are cuckolding them by imaginary proxy because thinking about them having sex with a man who isn’t them gives them funny feelings in their peepee.

No, it doesn’t make sense, but it’s not like these folks are any good at actual logic.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Paireon

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them ended up developing a cuckolding fetish.

I think they do have cuckolding fetishes. The whole history of cuckolding fetishes and cuckold pornography has been connected to insecurity. For centuries one common racist image has been a black man cuckolding a white man, and this played upon white insecurity. Today, it continues. Sexually insecure white men projecting their insecurities into cuckold fetishes. Fetishes often exist based on someone’s fears (e.g. forced transformation, consensual non consent roleplay, submission). Here it’s the same way, just with a very specific fear and fetish.

I’m getting quite a bit of use out of that armchair sexologist hat from earlier today. As always, if anything I said is wrong, please correct me, as I am by no means a real expert.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
9 months ago

Personally, I say if the Peterson stans want to call their ‘god’ the Lobster King, then they have to accept Blibdoolpoolp as their Queen. (First illustration NSFW.) Only fair, yes? XD

Paireon
Paireon
9 months ago

@Naglfar

Here’s the thing: my despising MRAs, incels and miggies is due to the fact that, in many ways, I am very similar to them, or at least the stereotype of them, especially the latter two (40-year-old virgin white cis/het dude, lives with his mom, geeky/nerdy, bad at trying to establish intimate relationships with women). I’ll let you guess the one crucial point where I diverge from the stereotype.

In any case, and perhaps related to the above divergence, I am myself on one hand quite insecure on the sexual front, and on the other I have a vast number of fetishes (many of which would anger a lot of people here due to their misogynistic undertones, although since I mentally enforce a very strict separation between my fantasies and reality there is no bleedover affecting my opinions concerning real life; think of it as pretty much the same thing as the vast majority of horror fans, who would definitely be horrified at the idea of a horror movie/novel scenario happening in real life). Weirdly enough though, cuckolding is not one of them. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care about it but neither do I mind it being there. If someone gets their jollies from it then more power to them, I’m not about to try and regulate their fantasies.

Of course, I’m capable of admitting to myself what my darker fantasies are, and that enacting them in real-life outside of a kinky consensual role-playing situation would be a horrible thing to do. That may be a second point of divergence from the misogynistic underbelly of the alt-right that I have, actually – I realize and accept that I have a dark side, and I recognize that giving in to it is a terrible, terrible idea, so I don’t (and it doesn’t even take that much effort on my part in my opinion). That does not make me any better or worse than the average person, it just makes me human.

They, on the other hand, make the Classic Blunder(tm) of thinking of themselves as Good People by default, therefore any of their thoughts and opinions are Good by definition, because Good People only have Good Thoughts! Of course, this tends to cause large amounts of cognitive dissonance, and since it’s usually easier (and more gratifying because dopamine) to justify your pre-existing opinions, beliefs and prejudices than it is to critically re-examine them, they create whole-cloth a series of further beliefs, opinions and prejudices that reinforce their pre-existing ones, with both sets feeding into each other in a vicious circle (and yes, this does make for a lot of circular reasoning). Anything that doesn’t quite fit into that pattern/narrative, well as I said before they sublimate into negative emotions aimed at fueling the pattern, and/or they project onto others who don’t agree with them (i.e. racist Nazi asshats want to exterminate non-whites, but everybody knows genocide is bad? White genocide conspiracy theory! That way, not only do “those other people” and their “collaborators” are already planning/prosecuting that bad thing, but doing it back to them isn’t as bad because it’s self-defense! Like killing two birds with one very racist stone).

Whew, that was long. Also hoping I didn’t alienate the good folks here – feels good to be able to talk about this stuff.

Looks like I’m also wearing an armchair psychologist hat today…

Paireon
Paireon
9 months ago

@Redsilkphoenix: Well, given that Blibdoolpoolp is the deity of the Kuo-toa, that Kuo-toa are the Dungeons & Dragons version of HP Lovecraft’s Deep Ones, and that for most of his life Lovecraft held deeply conservative and racist views, it’s probably even more appropriate (in a roundabout way) than you thought.

Catalpa
Catalpa
9 months ago

I have a vast number of fetishes (many of which would anger a lot of people here due to their misogynistic undertones,

Dude, you’re not the only person who’s got “problematic” fantasies. (Hell, I’ve got problematic fantasies, and I’m an asexual. Brains just do weird shit sometimes.)

I think you’ve got a bit of a skewed perspective of the commentariat here if you think that we’re going to be angered by thought crimes.

Though this isn’t an invitation for you to share notes from your boner with us.

Definitely not Steve
Definitely not Steve
9 months ago

Not-very-hot take: men wearing deodorant and/or cologne are trying to cheat women’s brains by presenting a more sexually attractive odor than their natural BO.

vaiyt
vaiyt
9 months ago

I guess that when you’re a cheeto stained blob of neck and beards, someone else putting any effort at all to look presentable feels like “cheating”.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
9 months ago

Jordan Peterson: Isn’t he the guy who says he’s living on meat, salt, and water only? And now his fans say women are the deceptive ones because they wear makeup?

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
9 months ago

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Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
9 months ago

Oops! Sorry about that gibberish above. I unsuccessfully tried to copy and paste a photo.

You can find the photo near the end of this article:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

Jordan Peterson is pictured with lots of (as hairstylists say) “product” in his hair. It appears to be the kind of product that encourages curl. You’ll even see a stray curl on his forehead. DECEPTION? You decide.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
9 months ago

None of them have the slightest awareness that they’re being manipulated by junk science, conspiracy thinking, and logical fallacies, but THEY’RE ON TO THE LIPSTICK.

Exhibit A:

Women become energized when ejaculated into, while men become sleepy.

“Female orgasms don’t exist, women are just passive receptacles, sperm drains men but has magic mind-altering powers for women, and I am an expert despite the fact that neither I nor anyone else has ever observed this happening in real life.”

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Paireon
I did not mean to shame you in any way with my comment. There is nothing wrong with fetishes or with having insecurities, and as long as you don’t put certain things into the real world, you’re not doing anything wrong. I admit that I sometimes have problematic thoughts as well. There’s also nothing wrong with being a virgin or with living with your parents, and I don’t mean to shame you for that either.

It seems that unlike the people we talk about here, you have the meta cognitive ability to see when thoughts are best kept in your head. That’s a good thing, and it will serve you well.
I know what it’s like to separate thoughts from reality. I love death metal music and I listen to songs with potentially problematic lyrics (such as about violence) but also enforce a strict mental separation between what I hear in lyrics and what I do in the real world.

I hope my prior comment didn’t come across as shaming or as a personal jab. I was merely trying to psychoanalyze the far right obsession with cuckolding. You are not like them because of the aforementioned crucial difference. You are better than them.

@Definitely Not Steve

Not-very-hot take: men wearing deodorant and/or cologne are trying to cheat women’s brains by presenting a more sexually attractive odor than their natural BO.

I support the use of deodorant, but I really don’t like the smell of some colognes and sprays. Axe body spray in particular I‘m not really a fan of. However, it seems to be the go to perfume for many men (who would probably be angry that I called it a perfume). Not sure if it’s a masculinity thing or if some people like the smell.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
9 months ago

If straight women, en masse, all decided to go makeup-free, stopped shaving their legs, and stopped plucking their eyebrows, we’d never hear the end of it from MRAs.

I don’t think women in their natural state are unattractive. I’m a straight woman living in Amish country, and I think there’s a real beauty to the Plain People, both women and men.

What about when men exaggerate their wealth/accomplishments/status in order to impress women? I used to date a guy, many years ago, who said he would tell women in bars, “I own Citgo!”. I said, ” What, did they believe you? “. He said, “No, they thought I was a drunk asshole.”

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Dormousing_it

If straight women, en masse, all decided to go makeup-free, stopped shaving their legs, and stopped plucking their eyebrows, we’d never hear the end of it from MRAs.

You are right. It’s a no win situation, and they want it that way. If there was a way for women to win, then the MRAs would have to stop hating women at some point.

Paireon
Paireon
9 months ago

@Catalpa – Wouldn’t quite say “skewed” as much as “lacking experience” – I haven’t been actively reading the comments section and adding to it for very long, and while you appeared like a nice enough bunch (hence why I opened up so much) I never take anything at face value, so it’s a bit hard for me not to sound a bit defensive at first. Also, no worries, I have absolutely no desire to expose you to the cesspits of my mind’s deepest, darkest corners LOL.

@Naglfar – Oops now I made you feel bad… Sorry for that, wasn’t my intent at all. You didn’t shame me at all; first, if you’d done that I wouldn’t have opened up like I did with that wall of text; it may have been a bit defensive but that’s mostly a conditioned reflex due to my innate skepticism and cynicism, not a guided response (is that the proper term?). Second, I’m actually really, really hard to shame because while I may have low self-esteem, I’ve learned to be relatively comfortable with who I am, warts and all, and am scrupulously honest with myself. I actually have a bit of a reputation among some of my friends for how shameless I am LOL. So no worries, we good.

Anyways, thank you all. Really happy to be here.

#feelsgoodman
(bonus chuckles for those who know that meme’s origins)

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
9 months ago

@Viscaria:

[A] certain kind of makeup look is considered to be just part of how my face should look when I’m working. Women and people who are perceived as women are often punished for not conforming to these expectations of “professionalism.”

First you get 79 cents on the male dollar. Then you’re expected to spend more of it on cosmetics than your male colleagues are, just to keep your job. How much is left after the “pink tax” is assessed? Maybe 69 cents?

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Paireon

Oops now I made you feel bad… Sorry for that, wasn’t my intent at all.

You didn’t make me feel bad, I just wanted to make sure I didn’t make you feel bad. It’s all good. I just innately apologize way too often.

#feelsgoodman
(bonus chuckles for those who know that meme’s origins)

Boy’s Club by Matt Furie? That’s where I saw it before.

Paireon
Paireon
9 months ago

@Naglfar – You a Canuck like me, mayhaps? We do have a reputation for apologizing a lot. And yes, that’s the one. Of course, said by Pepe the frog; it’s the meme that popularized him before he was sadly co-opted by the alt-right.

Karalora
Karalora
9 months ago

The anti-makeup thing is a consequence of objectifying women. A “naturally” beautiful woman is a work of art, with God/nature as the artist (and God and nature both notoriously don’t show up at their own exhibitions, so you can praise them as much or as little as you feel like for their work without worrying about their rampant egos).

But a woman who achieves beauty via cosmetics and fashion? Now she is the artist, with her own face and body as her canvas, and praising her beauty means offering genuine compliments to a woman, just acknowledging her creative skills as if she were a person. Can you even imagine?

On the other hand, if you reframe makeup as deception, you still get to look at a hot woman but now you also get to decry her hotness! Win-win! For you, that is.

Citerior Motive
Citerior Motive
9 months ago

I have a vast number of fetishes (many of which would anger a lot of people here due to their misogynistic undertones, although since I mentally enforce a very strict separation between my fantasies and reality there is no bleedover affecting my opinions concerning real life; think of it as pretty much the same thing as the vast majority of horror fans, who would definitely be horrified at the idea of a horror movie/novel scenario happening in real life).

That doesn’t anger me. Provided you do separate fantasy from reality as you say, I have no quarrel with you.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Paireon

You a Canuck like me, mayhaps?

No, I was born and raised in the US (though I’ve visited Canada several times). But I do apologize a lot, which in my case seems to be a family affliction; my mother and her sister do the exact same thing.

Of course, said by Pepe the frog; it’s the meme that popularized him before he was sadly co-opted by the alt-right.

It is sad he was co-opted. Matt Furie is actually a pretty good artist, it’s sad they took over his art.

Paireon
Paireon
9 months ago

@Citerior Motive – Good to know; and it really is how I prefer things, otherwise I feel like it cheapens both. I usually have a hard time with “realistic” dramatic fiction, as since it only talks about “ordinary” things happening to “ordinary” people, it offers me nothing I can’t get by simply interacting with real-life people. Historical fiction is different, of course, since it’s no longer “ordinary”.

@Karalora – Huh. That’s a very interesting viewpoint I hadn’t yet considered in your second paragraph.

@Naglfar – He even “killed” the character when he realized what those dumbasses were doing with it. It’s especially annoying that it happened to an indie artist’s creation, rather than a megacorp’s IP. I’m all for the détournement of those, if only to rile up our corporate overlords.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

What about when men exaggerate their wealth/accomplishments/status in order to impress women? I used to date a guy, many years ago, who said he would tell women in bars, “I own Citgo!”. I said, ” What, did they believe you? “. He said, “No, they thought I was a drunk asshole.”

See, that’s just evidence that women are evil. Because we’re shallow and only want men for their money.

However it is not evil for men to be shallow and only want women for their looks.

Because science.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
9 months ago

@Paireon: I wish they would have too, but they never would have taken a corporation’s logo, etc – corporations unfortunately have the power to silence those using their logos for whatever reason, ligit or not. They knew what they were doing was stealing, so just chose someone who couldn’t defend themselves.

Despairing of the Future
Despairing of the Future
9 months ago

This reminds me of the “morning routine” monologue from American Psycho, but then all of the manosphere reminds me of American Psycho, so there’s that.

Moggie
Moggie
9 months ago

@WWTH:

If men want to wear make up to look hotter, they can do it too. Just saying.

After all, that’s what Trump does.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Moggie
I wonder if Trump could get an endorsement deal with Bronx Colors?

It is interesting that this happened around the same time that we found out which brand of makeup Trump uses. Coincidence?

Definitely not Steve
Definitely not Steve
9 months ago

@Moggie,

I wasn’t aware we were calling orange Sharpie “makeup.”

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
9 months ago

I hate makeup, but it’s part of the “woman at work” uniform, so I wear it anyway. It sucks.

Naglfar
Naglfar
9 months ago

@Definitely Not Steve
Apparently he uses this. Hence my reference to Bronx Colors.

Weasel-Rah
Weasel-Rah
9 months ago

I spent a couple years doing tailoring. The amount of artificial padding in the average man’s suit blows push up bras away. Just sayin’.
But that’s not vanity or deception because reasons.