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Incel says: Moving to Thailand for sex is a hassle. So seek out poor and/or vulnerable women closer to home!

Have you considered starting a cult?

By David Futrelle

Western incels often fantasize about solving their no-one-wants-to-have-sex-with-them problem by moving to Southeast Asia where, they assume, they’ll have their pick of attractive, extremely impoverished young women ripe for sexual exploitation.

Incels tend to put it a little less delicately. “It seems that, if you’re white,” one prolific Incels.co commenter called RegisterUserName wrote recently, “the only way you can ascend is through going to Asia and fucking some noodlewhore who’s desperate for a green card … .”

But carrying out this plan would involve moving to, or at the very least visiting, a country far from home, and competing with other Westerners who might be more handsome or at least less objectionable as a person than you, and so for most incels this fantasy remains just that.

But RegisterUserName has some up with some ideas as to how he and his incel colleagues can find similarly poor and/or vulnerable women out there without even leaving their hometowns.

“[W]hen you can’t get what you want with mainstream methods,” he wrote in a recent post, “you have to think outside the box to solutions that have a greater chance of working.”

His suggestions?

Join a 12-step group like “Alcoholics Anonymous or one of those circle meetings to find someone in a rough patch in life.”

Get yourself admitted to a mental hospital so you could “find some crazy bird.”

Start a cult. This might be a bit tricky, as RegisterUserName notes, because you’d “have to be able to be very charismatic and preferably not a turbomanlet.” But if you can pull it off, he continues, you could fill the cult with “girls [who] could be anywhere from 16 (depending on age of consent; obviously don’t break the law) to around 25 or so)” and find yourself your very own Squeaky Fromme.

Join a cult. If actually starting a cult would be too much work, you can always try

Cultmaxxing by leeching on someone else’s cult and finding [a] wife, but be careful that a fellow incel hasn’t made it into a sex cult where he fucks your wife

Exploit homeless girls. RegisterUserName has a somewhat elaborate fantasy of “saving” some homeless teenager, who can’t help but feel so grateful that she “repays” you, her savior, with sex

and then they fall in love with you or something … you gotta have your own house and stuff, preferably be able to fulfill a father like role because she probably had circumstances which led to her never having anyone to be a father … . I think I like this one the most because … you’re actually helping someone so it’s the most morally acceptable … .

Sexual exploitation isn’t “helping,” dude.

Only one of RegisterUserName’s suggestions doesn’t involve exploiting a desperately poor or otherwise vulnerable women. But it does require you commit a violent assault. Yes, we’re talking about the time-honored mating strategy of beating up some cute girl’s boyfriend.

Fight girls’ boyfriends and try to hit on them after. You see all those stories man you never know. (Works best if you’re young, tall, good fighting success. You can snag teenage girls depending on laws in your area so from around 16-25 where they might just get turned on by it and are drunk and are angry at their boyfriends, but it probably won’t be a long term thing ever because, I mean, come on, it’s the type of girl to leave her boyfriend for an ugly subhuman because he got beat up)

As it turns out, RegisterUderName isn’t the only one with fantasies of explaoiting vulnderable girls and women. One of the other commenters, apparently writing from Saudi Arabia, explained that he had

considered … hiring a live in maid and hope she will fuck me to keep her job but that’s nearly impossible to do in Saudi Arabia or dealing drugs and hope one of the tweakers will suck my dick for some drugs but I don’t know anyone to buy drugs from and selling drugs has death penalty here and I’m not ready to die yet.

You know, fellas, maybe if you weren’t the sort of guys who spend your days fantasizing about ruthlessly exploiting desperate women for sex you might be able to get a date with an actual willing woman.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

I notice that none of these goons has thought of the most obvious solution (that doesn’t require not being scum): Prostitutes.

I doubt it’s going to fit their skewed perspectives, but if all they want is sex then they should just consider looking into that. Of course it also implies they’re actually willing to spend money on it, and I get the feeling they don’t want to do that.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
1 year ago

Wow, what a peach this incel is! Of all those options, perhaps a cult would work best for him – his own, of course. If he makes all the unfortunate women and girls his ” plural wives”, he can set up his own alternate universe in the desert or someplace in the rural Midwest. Worked for Warren Jeffs for awhile, at least until Texas threw him in prison.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Anonymous
They probably don’t want to pay for prostitutes because they think they’re entitled to sex and that paying for it defeats the purpose.
The biggest hitch to their cult plan is that incels don’t strike me as the kinds of people who would be any good at organizing a cult. Or the kind of charismatic leader that would make people want to join.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Or the kind of charismatic leader that would make people want to join.

Whaaat? You don’t think people who call Asian women noodlewhores or plan to take advantage of mentally ill women or think that the most moral approach to obtaining sex involves a father figure and his daughter figure (ignoring all the other kinds of advantage-taking in that scenario) make good charismatic leaders? Whyever not?!

Sack
Sack
1 year ago

Incels are loser permavirgins who are overweight, jobless shut-ins.

Sounds a lot like one David Futrelle.

Z&T
Z&T
1 year ago

Hello again from the west side of Chicago.

We Americans, with eastern relatives, have a few bones to pick with the SA guy.

Yeah, you think you can manipulate weak and submissive women there? Princess Ameerah would say otherwise.

We all here, Americans, have MENA ancestors. Mid East, North Africa. Our one friend here was born in Egypt. And I am saying, you surely do not want to tangle with an Egyptian.

Yeah, NO, asshole. And we stand with our sisters there. All eastern lands are making great strides toward democracy and equality for women. It is the backward thinking people who are falling behind.

Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

@ Sad Sack

Just can’t get rid of the bad penny, can we? Change the record dude, it’s boring now.

@ Everyone else re the incel.

Incitement to assault as a dating strategy?

Colour me surprised. Hope he gets locked up before doing any physical harm.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 year ago

@Naglfar

And the type of people who run cults don’t tolerate people trying to use their cults for personal gain. After all, that’s their job.

Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

Don’t cross SE Asian women. She Who Must Be Obeyed and pretty much every other Filipina I’ve encountered would have that incel’s nuts for ear rings, figuratively speaking.

TheKND
TheKND
1 year ago

@ Sack

Look, if you have to be “a thing” now, can you at least be an interesting thing? Cause you’re not making us angry or upset or offended. You’re just boring.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

@Kevin
I..is that what you call your partner or something? Yikes.

Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

@ kupo

Yes, my wife. Nicest person I know around here where I live, but very firm on what she wants and believes in, and doesn’t suffer fools or arseholes gladly.

Anonymouse
Anonymouse
1 year ago

“Turbomanlet”? Charles Manson was like three feet tall.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

This incel inadvertently refuted Jordan Peterson with his post. He implies he’s in the Republic of GileadSaudi Arabia, complete with “enforced monogamy”, so apparently “enforced monogamy” doesn’t actually prevent inceldom from happening to manlets and canthaltiltcels and wristcels and what-have-you after all, contrary to what Peterson’s been burbling.

Oops. 🙂

epitome of incomprehensibility

Fight girls’ boyfriends and try to hit on them after. You see all those stories man you never know.

Uh…”all those stories”? What stories? Sure, there’s a trope about women gravitating towards winners of fights/physical challenges, but a) don’t judge real life just by fairy tales, because people are often pretty shallow in fairy tales, and b) those aren’t about someone coming out of nowhere and beating up the guy a woman’s dating.

I just thought of 5 reactions a woman might have to that situation:

1) Hit you
2) Yell at you
3) Call for help and get others around her involved
4) Call the cops
5) Run away

…I could go on, but I don’t think “Get ista-horny for you” would be anywhere on my “likely to happen” list.

Sam Katz
Sam Katz
1 year ago

I read this stuff and simply cannot imagine what someone’s mother did to them to result in this.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

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Uh…”all those stories”? What stories?

Well, there was the second Def Jam fighting game for the PS2, where you do just that to “acquire” your love interest. And, um… Charles Atlas ads?

That’s all I’ve got.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

Seriously…. if some dude tried to beat up my fiancé the last thing I would is get horny. I’d probably pepper spray them or call the police. Which ever I would think is the fastest way to help him. These guys are so devoid from reality, I don’t even know what solar system they think their in right now. Like why would I even want to be anywhere near the person who tries to hurt the person I love most.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

RegisterUserName has a somewhat elaborate fantasy of “saving” some homeless teenager, who can’t help but feel so grateful that she “repays” you, her savior, with sex

…I’ve seen that hentai manga.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Sam Katz wrote on
August 15, 2019 at 9:18 pm:

I read this stuff and simply cannot imagine what someone’s mother did to them to result in this.

Let’s not blame parents for someone being an asshole, okay.

LollyPop
LollyPop
1 year ago

Hilarious assumption that they would a) be able to beat someone up and b) the girlfriend of the victim of this unprovoked attack would love them for it.

I’m not glorifying a capability for physical violence here but I’m fairly confident that most incels couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag.

IncelCrusher
IncelCrusher
1 year ago

Attack my boyfriend and I’ll cut your stinky little dick off. Or shoot you. Whichever.

Richard
Richard
1 year ago

@lollypop

Most women judge men by their capacity for violence (I want a man to protect me). We should not judge them for this as it is a rational desire that is hard wired. What I judge is women who set their boyfriends on innocent men just to see a little blood.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Richard wrote on
August 16, 2019 at 12:25 am:

@lollypop

Most women judge men by their capacity for violence (I want a man to protect me). We should not judge them for this as it is a rational desire that is hard wired. What I judge is women who set their boyfriends on innocent men just to see a little blood.

If it is “hard wired”, it is by definition not guided by reason, and therefore is not rational. Also, your core premise is flawed. Try again.

Richard
Richard
1 year ago

@surplustorequirements

The active ingredient here is monogamy. JP is right that enforced monogamy would cure the problem of unmarried men- provided they were good providers and all round decent people of course.

Unfortunately Saudi chads can have four wives so the problem is not solved.

Richard
Richard
1 year ago

@ariblester

Our instincts are designed to help us survive and reproduce. As long as they continue to do so they are both hard wired and rational.

No contradiction.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Richard wrote on
August 16, 2019 at 12:40 am:

@ariblester

Our instincts are designed to help us survive and reproduce. As long as they continue to do so they are both hard wired and rational.

No contradiction.

That’s an unnecessary anthromorphization of the process of natural selection. I’m sorry, but evolution has no reason guiding it. We may ascribe reasons post hoc to the observed results, but that’s motivated reasoning.

Richard wrote on
August 16, 2019 at 12:35 am:

@surplustorequirements

The active ingredient here is monogamy. JP is right that enforced monogamy would cure the problem of unmarried men- provided they were good providers and all round decent people of course.

Unfortunately Saudi chads can have four wives so the problem is not solved.

How exactly do you aim to make sure all single men are “good providers and all-round decent people” if you still assume that subgroups of men like “chads” still exist? Furthermore, how does being an “all-round decent [person]” square with the apparently “rational” “desire” by “most women” for men to have a “capacity for violence”?

It all sounds like a collection of unwarranted generalizations and vigorous handwaving away of any inconsistencies, TBH.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

BTW, any term I put in quotes is one that needs to be more clearly defined, or an unstated premise that needs to be properly justified.

Richard
Richard
1 year ago

@ariblester

You make a whole lot of assumptions even when I say the opposite to what you assume.

How can I ‘ensure’ men are good providers and all round good guys? The question is absurd. For 40 years the left has been trying to reengineer human nature without success. I say work with what we have.

Under monogamy women tend to favour good providers and kind men over chads. We can therefore expect more kindness from men and less pick up artistry. Some men will be unable or unwilling to provide and they will be eliminated from the gene pool.

These men will be few in number and will diminish over time.

Richard
Richard
1 year ago

@ariblester

You make a good point that reminds me of something that is not understood on the left. It is quite possible to be a good and kind man and still be capable of killing anyone who hurts his wife and child. In fact one cannot be a good man without this ability- or what is the use of him?

Goodness is not weakness. Male feminists generally end up being weak backstabbers because they do not understand the difference.

NB. I said ‘most’ not ‘all’.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Richard wrote on
August 16, 2019 at 1:36 am:

@ariblester

You make a whole lot of assumptions even when I say the opposite to what you assume.

How can I ‘ensure’ men are good providers and all round good guys? The question is absurd. For 40 years the left has been trying to reengineer human nature without success. I say work with what we have.

Under monogamy women tend to favour good providers and kind men over chads. We can therefore expect more kindness from men and less pick up artistry. Some men will be unable or unwilling to provide and they will be eliminated from the gene pool.

These men will be few in number and will diminish over time.

That makes no sense. It does not follow that men who are not good providers will not be married and will not reproduce.

Quite the opposite, in fact, in a system where strong-form enforced monogamy (i.e. all men must marry a woman, and vice versa, and divorce is forbidden) is the rule.

If you suppose a weak-form enforced monogamy (i.e. society exerts pressure on people to stay monogamous), then isn’t that the model upon which ‘traditional Western society’ has been based for so long? Why did it not work in eliminating “chads”?

Besides which, this ‘traditional Western’ model was exclusively cis-heteronormative, and thus fails to capture the fullness of reality.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

Helping homeless girl (you gotta have your own house and stuff, preferably be able to fulfill a father like role because she probably had circumstances which led to her never having anyone to be a father) I think I like this one the most because she’s not going to become a street whore or anything just to keep affording crack until she’s raped and killed eventually; you’re actually helping someone so it’s the most morally acceptable and you are making a woman who’s not a detriment on the system.

With the exception of some of the details, I actually dated a guy who went on to do this.

I used to see him around at lefty political events. He and a friend of mine had dated years earlier. He owned a one-person business and had an office in a San Francisco suburb. We dated very briefly — which is to say, he dumped me unceremoniously because he needed his “space.” A few months later my friend informed me that this man was having a “relationship” with a homeless woman who he allowed to sleep in his office.

Morally acceptable? My friend and I were aghast that a guy we had dated would sink so low.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Richard wrote on
August 16, 2019 at 1:46 am:

@ariblester

You make a good point that reminds me of something that is not understood on the left. It is quite possible to be a good and kind man and still be capable of killing anyone who hurts his wife and child. In fact one cannot be a good man without this ability- or what is the use of him?

Goodness is not weakness. Male feminists generally end up being weak backstabbers because they do not understand the difference.

NB. I said ‘most’ not ‘all’.

See, that’s the unclear definitions that I’m talking about. We obviously have very different definitions of what makes a person “good”.

Besides which, if backstabbing is a valid survival strategy that is evolutionary conserved, then wouldn’t you have to accept it as “rational” and thus “good”? Can’t have it both ways.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Richard

What I judge is women who set their boyfriends on innocent men just to see a little blood.

Yeah, I just hate myself after I do this.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Richard

Our instincts are designed to help us survive and reproduce.

I learned in college that humans have only two instincts (that is, a behavior that we’re born with): (1) an ability to suckle, and (2) a fear of falling.

Ucalegont
Ucalegont
1 year ago

@Richard:

I think your messages are a good example of what the right doesn’t understand.

The right doesn’t understand that subjugated people have a mind or a will of their own. They say that the subjugation is natural and it’s what they really want.

A woman wants a man who protects her: no, because that makes her dependent on the man. How many women have been killed by their husbands this year?

It’s like saying:
“Blacks need whites to civilize them.”
“Slaves need a lord to feed them and protect them.”
“People need a strong leader who governs them with ‘common sense’.”
“The land needs an entrepreneur to turn it into profit.”

How strange that their “instincts” always benefit me.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

What I judge is women who set their boyfriends on innocent men just to see a little blood.

Lol someone is mad that sometimes boyfriend punch the dude that grope their girlfriends ass in the middle of a crowd.

@Kat

I learned in college that humans have only two instincts (that is, a behavior that we’re born with): (1) an ability to suckle, and (2) a fear of falling.

Why do we have the second one do you know? I mean falling hurts yes, but why such a fear of it? then we as humans invited an activities where you can fall out of air planes and jump of bridges without getting hurt. We make roller coasters and other rides that make it feel like falling. I know that’s a whole lot of shit to unpack about why we fear it and then some still love the rush of it.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

Re: Picking up ‘Crazy Chicks’ in a mental hospital.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

May every step you take from now on land on a lego.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

When I actually make myself read the complete article instead of just hiding in the comments because my morbid curiosity gets to me, I can only think of one thing. I will be able to legally drink in two days. And for a moment I might be able to forget what horrible people walk this earth while I drunkenly cuddled my old kitty after a night of dancing. Possibly even my young kitty, even though she isn’t much of a cuddler.

Cat Mara
Cat Mara
1 year ago

“They were good men,” Lorimer repeats elegiacally. He knows he is speaking for it all, for Dave’s father, for Bud’s manhood, for himself, for Cro-Magnon, for the dinosaurs too, maybe. “I’m a man. By god, yes, I’m angry. l have a right. We gave you all this, we made it all. We built your precious civilization and your knowledge and comfort and medicines and your dreams. All of it. We protected you, we worked our balls off keeping you and your kids. It was hard. It was a fight, a bloody fight all the way. We’re tough. We had to be, can’t you understand? Can’t you for Christ’s sake understand that?”

Another silence.

“We’re trying,” Lady Blue sighs. “We are trying, Dr. Lorimer. Of course we enjoy your inventions and we do appreciate your evolutionary role. But you must see there’s a problem. As I understand it, what you protected people from was largely other males, wasn’t it?”

James Tiptree, Jr. Houston, Houston, Do You Read?

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 year ago

Re: attacking someone’s boyfriend as a pick-up move

I thought in incel mythology “Chad” is the guy who walks up to you and your girlfriend at the beach, kicks some sand in your face and walks away with your girlfriend, who’s duly impressed that someone stronger and more handsome than you showed up. Like, being able to do that is pretty much the definition of Chad.

Incel identity seems to be defined as pretty much the opposite of Chad. Nominally the kind of guy who couldn’t even get a girl for a beach date, incels seem to think that fundamentally their problem is not being Chad.

Re: cult leadership for fun & profit

In modern world, cults seem to be the most notable real life manifestation of the alleged dynamic where one man at the top of the social pecking order hoards sexual access to all women. Again, I don’t see how anyone thinks incels could succeed in this game.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Lainy : because fall hurt badly humans overall. We’re too big to fall graciously, even if not quite big enough that a fall is ensured death.

While it sometime doesn’t appear so, humans have an instinctive craving for justice and to help each other. It’s just that, like fear of falling, people can suppress it well enough. Especially when they are comfortable.

Richard
Richard
1 year ago

@ arilbester

I see the confusion. Neither myself not JP are advocating for some kind of random state shotgun wedding putting people together for no reason.

I would like to se a return to the days when a man would have to work hard and develop himself in order to provide for his family rather than scattering his bastards across the nation. If sex outside of marriage could be prevented then women would no longer say ‘where have all the good men gone.’

Being a good man would pay once again. I cannot see why any woman would object to this. A return to romance!!!

Sex outside of marriage would have to shamed very harshly. Hopefully criminal sanctions would not be needed.

Richard
Richard
1 year ago

@uclalegont

Whatever makes you conflate love with oppression? Even under feminism women read romance novels and will do so until they are classed as hate speech. I am only half joking.

You fail to understand that it is women who invent the rules of romance and women that enforce them (or there would be no incels).

I do not like playing the role that is allotted to me. I feel more relaxed and more myself among men and I wish I could drop the persona as all men probably do.

Richard
Richard
1 year ago

@kat

Try not breathing for a bit. In five minutes you will either discover that your instinct to breathe is stronger than your university professors would have you believe- or you will be unconscious.

How many other lies have they told you?

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@kat

Try not breathing for a bit. In five minutes you will either discover that your instinct to breathe is stronger than your university professors would have you believe- or you will be unconscious.

How many other lies have they told you?

Aren’t you the hostile rightwinger.

Lies? Oh no! I wasted my money on college!

If the Internet can be believed, there’s a great deal of difference of opinion these days on what is a human instinct, what is a human reflex, and so on. I’m not up on the issues. But you are most assuredly in over your head with your casual assertions about human instincts.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

I would like to se a return to the days when a man would have to work hard and develop himself in order to provide for his family rather than scattering his bastards across the nation. If sex outside of marriage could be prevented then women would no longer say ‘where have all the good men gone.’

Being a good man would pay once again. I cannot see why any woman would object to this. A return to romance!!!

Sex outside of marriage would have to shamed very harshly. Hopefully criminal sanctions would not be needed.

No, it’s clear you can’t see why a woman would object to babies being called bastards. Or why a woman would object to shaming — or criminalizing — sex outside marriage.

Keep your so-called romance, along with your extra exclamation points.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Lainy

Why do we have the second one do you know? I mean falling hurts yes, but why such a fear of it? then we as humans invited an activities where you can fall out of air planes and jump of bridges without getting hurt. We make roller coasters and other rides that make it feel like falling. I know that’s a whole lot of shit to unpack about why we fear it and then some still love the rush of it.

Dunno. Good question.

Ariblester
Ariblester
1 year ago

Richard wrote on
August 16, 2019 at 3:38 am:

@ arilbester

I see the confusion. Neither myself not JP are advocating for some kind of random state shotgun wedding putting people together for no reason.

I would like to se a return to the days when a man would have to work hard and develop himself in order to provide for his family rather than scattering his bastards across the nation. If sex outside of marriage could be prevented then women would no longer say ‘where have all the good men gone.’

Being a good man would pay once again. I cannot see why any woman would object to this. A return to romance!!!

Sex outside of marriage would have to shamed very harshly. Hopefully criminal sanctions would not be needed.

Richard wrote on
August 16, 2019 at 3:48 am:

@uclalegont

Whatever makes you conflate love with oppression? Even under feminism women read romance novels and will do so until they are classed as hate speech. I am only half joking.

You fail to understand that it is women who invent the rules of romance and women that enforce them (or there would be no incels).

I do not like playing the role that is allotted to me. I feel more relaxed and more myself among men and I wish I could drop the persona as all men probably do.

That just raises even more questions!

I’m trying to pull your ideas into a coherent whole here, and this is what I have so far:

A) A “good man” is one who fulfills his (societal? biological?) usefulness by
i) being able to provide for his wife and children, and
ii) having the capacity to fight and kill to protect his wife and children

B) All men should work towards being “good men” and fulfilling their usefulness

C) “Most women” judge by “instinct” the desirability of men by their ability to fulfil A)ii)

D) “The rules of romance” are constructed by (all?) women, (based in part or in whole on C)?)

E) Incels are caused by men being frustrated from failing (from lack of effort? from intrinsic lack of ability?) to live up to “the rules of romance”, and therefore being denied access to sex by women

F) “Male feminists” are “weak” and “backstabbers” because they are (unwilling? unable?) to live up to A)ii) (, among other things?)

G) “The left” is trying to fight against human nature by attempting to “reprogram” people (how?)

H) (Society? Women?) currently reward men for “scattering their bastards across the nation” (how? I have a sinking feeling that the explanation will be “AFBB”.)

I) Monogamy will cause (all?) women to prefer “good men” over “chads” (how and why?)

J) “Chadism” is genetically heritable, so the fewer “chads” manage to have sex with women, the fewer “chads” there will be in the population (I don’t think that is how that works.)

Looking over the entire thing, I can only state that it has an extremely mechanistic “if this, then that” view of human relationships (more so for women than for men), is heteronormative in the extreme, leans heavily on evo-psych to support its most fundamental claims, presupposes that the nuclear family is the building block of civilization, with the man as the sole provider and protector, and otherwise completely excludes the influence of society and socialization except in a generally negative fashion (as being contrary to “human nature”).

Ucalegont
Ucalegont
1 year ago

@Richard:

Firstly, thanks for understanding my horribly written post. I hope I’ll express myself better now.

Whatever makes you conflate love with oppression?

The way I see it, love is a feeling that someone is great and enjoying their company. Something like that. You seem to imply that “love” means “romance” means the man protects the woman. This puts the man in control and gives him power over the woman. So, probably, I’m conflating your idea of love with oppression.

it is women who invent the rules of romance and women who enforce them

Where? How?

(or there would be no incels)

There are also women who can’t get sex.

I wish I could drop the persona

Drop it then. What’s wrong about appearing like yourself?

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