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QUIZ: Who called #MeToo accusers a bunch of “starf*ckers” — putative leftist Aimee Terese or professional misogynist Paul Elam?

Aimee Terese and Paul Elam: Bad Take factories

By David Futrelle

It’s getting harder and harder to tell the difference between a certain subspecies of contemporary leftist — the anti-“identity politics” types who take a naughty delight in dismissing their foes as “retarded” — and the pepe-posting assholes of the alt-right and/or the woman-hating dinguses of the Men’s Rights Movement.

Take, for example, the putatively leftist podcaster and Twitter provocateur/bad-take-factory Aimee Terese. Several weeks ago, you may recall, Terese caused a bit of a stir by suggesting that journalist Talia Jane, who had gone public about the skeezy sexual DMs she’d gotten from a male colleague, has such an unbeautiful face that she should have been flattered that any man would “even contemplate ejaculating on it.” (No, really, she actually said that.)

Today Terese is back at it again, posting comments about #MeToo that are virtually indistinguishable from some of the worst things that professional misogynist Paul Elam, founder of the hate site A Voice for Men, has said on the subject.

How indistinguishable, you ask? Well, see if you can distinguish them. One of the quotes below is from Terese; one is from Elam; and one I made up for this quiz.

1) “#metoo is [a] long awaited catharsis for ageing starfuckers everywhere. That time your naked 19 year old self gave a handy to a celebrity photographer is now your trauma ticket to the 15 minutes of fame you were denied back then.”

2) “Elderly ex-star fuckers have seized on #metoo both as a means to take down the alpha males they once idolized and to round up a white knight brigade of emasculated shitlib soy boys eager to tell them they’re still oh so pretty.”

3) “[Prominent celebrity’s] victims? Or just a bunch of drug whoring star fuckers?”

When you’re ready, scroll down for the answer.

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The first quote is from Terese; the third is from Elam (and the celebrity in question was now-convicted-rapist Bill Cosby); the quote in the middle is my best approximation of the sort of rhetoric the two share.

In any case, the answer to the question in my headline is that both Elam and Terese have now publicly called #MeToo accusers “starfuckers,” the only real difference between their rhetoric being whether or not they put a space between “star” and “fuckers” or not.

Here’s the full quote from Terese, in a Tweet today:

Aimee Terese
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#metoo is long awaited catharsis for ageing starfuckers everywhere.
That time your naked 19 year old self gave a handy to a celebrity photographer is now your trauma ticket to the 15 minutes of fame you were denied back then. He and the skin pics are finally going to pay off!

In addition to being a reprehensible thing to say about #MeToo accusers in general, Terese’s tweet seems pretty clearly to be snipe at one accuser in particular: model-turned-writer-and-podcast-producer Jamie Peck, who went public with her story of sexual abuse at the hands of predatory photographer Terry Richardson in 2010 — which was, incidentally, a full seven years before the #MeToo hashtag went viral. Not coincidentally, it also took seven years — and countless other women coming forward with similar stories about the powerful photographer — before publishing giant Conde Nast and several large fashion houses finally dropped him.

As for Elam, here’s a link to a post I did on Elam’s horrific take on Cosby. The quote in question was the title of Elam’s post, in which he also referred to Cosby’s accusers as

a bunch of greedy women who commoditized their bodies like groupies who managed to get backstage at a rock concert.

As it turns out — no great shock here — Terese has had quite a few other terrible things to say about #metoo.

Sometimes she makes an effort to drape her retrograde opinions in Marxoid buzzwords.

Aimee Terese
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The neoliberal feminist girlbosses and their emasculated liberal men denied the fracture, leaning into gender reductionism, #metoo, abortion obsession & trauma porn.
They fetishised bourgeoise womens's rage to manufacture consent for a fantasy that male entitlement was to blame.
The hysterical discourses of our era -#metoo prime among them- adopt a patina of sexual moralism, but the sex is a mere cloak by which bourgeoise ideology propagates & reproduces itself. Discursive gasoline poured on a fire of neoliberal acceleration, atomisation and alienation.
Metoo is a self aggrandising project squabbling over scraps at the neoliberal table, framing justice as gender war (instead of class war) is retarded, and it merely props up the status quo by avoiding structural critique. I’m not imagining utopia, I’m pointing out a smug fraud.

When she’s not spouting buzzwords, she likes to present herself as the True Voice of working women — fighting against the rich ladies and the giant corporations (?) that are supposedly benefiting from the movement.

I've said it a thousand times, #metoo was a political weapon by which wealthy women leveraged career opportunities, it had nothing to do with justice, equity, or harassment.
#MeToo was never about justice, it was about power and ambition; public leverage for those whose delusions of grandeur had been thwarted by the ice cold corporate bog. The dirty little secret is that it was only ever available to women *already* in positions of relative power.
#metoo has done nothing for working class women, deprived pmc women of mentoring opportunities and made them feel less safe at work, but hey Oscar winner, Michelle Williams has been so moved personally and professionally to be a part of the conversation!
No. It isn't. 

Loving the immediacy of the #metoo content sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, really helps drive home what kind of 'movement' it is, Microsoft thanks you for your service.

Apparently #MicrosoftMeToo comes pre-loaded with Windows 10. But you can disable it in “settings.”

While Terese normally likes to pretend she’s pushing some uber-enlightened Marxoid philosophy when she attacks #MeToo, she sometimes forgets. It’s pretty hard to discern even a pretend progressive impulse behind a tweet like this:

Frigid Women May Be Killing Office Productivity 😜 #metoo

I dunno, it kind of seems to me that a joke suggesting that #metoo accusers are a bunch of “frigid women” isn’t really very funny, even with a a winky-tongue-sticky emoji stuck in the middle of it? But what do I know? I’m probably just some emasculated careerist shitlib soy boy who needs to read more Marx and 4chan.

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Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Alan, “how to be mean to capital and get away with it”?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago

If the media was trying to serve capitalism by manufacturing consent for Me Too, why is it that they were some of the ones allowing sexual harassment to happen? Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, Les Moonves etc. It doesn’t make sense.

There’s a point to be made that the movement is focussing too much on privileged women. But the solution to that is to focus more on marginalized women who face sexual abuse and harassment, not give men an open free for all to harass all women.

Oh, and as I posted on one of the other threads, Aimee was busted liking some Nazi tweets. She used the “I didn’t know he was a Nazi” defense even though it was really obvious. So for those who think she’s a couple of ratioed Twitter threads away from coming out as a full fascist and blaming it on liberals, you’d be right.

Bakunin
Bakunin
1 year ago

@Mish
Imagine writing that first tweet seriously and not melting your brain from the ridiculousness

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

“One of the things about being intelligent is, you don’t have to read an entire book to be able to misrepresent its central thesis…”

From my “lefty geek/nerd” days…. If we were discussing a book, and someonE allowed as how they’d read it “but not all of it”, the conclusion would be that they DON’T GET TO COMMENT ON IT, AS THEY’D NOT READ IT.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 year ago
Talonknife
Talonknife
1 year ago

As I’ve said before, Aimee Terese is an ideological sister to TERFs. They’re both reactionaries LARPing as leftists in a transparent attempt to discredit actual leftist schools of thought.

(Also, note to David, I already apologized on Twitter, but sorry again for dragging you into that MRA thread yesterday.)

Silly-bollocks
Silly-bollocks
1 year ago

@Alan

How about something like: “How to roundhouse defamation laws” or something that uses martial arts and self defence as a metaphor?

Casta
Casta
1 year ago

Kupo says “Hey, it’s pretty sexist to assume women can’t be terrible and/or misogynistic people.”

Women can absolutely be sexist and terrible, BUT they don’t tend to insult other women the same way men do. For example, it is almost always the purview of men to insult a woman by calling her too ugly to be f*cked or sexually assaulted. I have never in my life heard an identified feminist (Marxist or otherwise) use such language. This trope is used almost exclusively by misogynistic men (see sargon of akkad) to insult women. The language is the give away – the persona presented to us is not genuine, we are being trolled in a major way.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

https://splinternews.com/alabama-republican-refuses-to-apologize-for-ranting-abo-1835610390

“Gay people are offensive to me. Do you understand that?” he whined to local NBC affiliate WPMI on Monday

what is the word that the igno-right uses in situations like this…???

oh, yeah! “SNOWFLAKE!!!

Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Alan

An Activist’s Field Guide to Defamation Laws?

Silly-bollocks
Silly-bollocks
1 year ago

Yeah my boomer mom sometimes tells me that “good women don’t go out late at night”, or warns me about false rape accusations. I still love her to bits, but in the moment it’s just like: “😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬”

JenniferAndLightning
JenniferAndLightning
1 year ago

@Casta That has not been my experience at all. In fact, I find that misogynistic women are very quick to deride the physical appearance of other women regardless of how irrelevant it may be. These tend to be women who have very much internalized the values of the patriarchy so they lash at at women as “uggoes” or “desperate for attention from men” or insult them as inadequate mothers. In my experience misogynistic women hit exactly the same points as misogynistic men, but if anything they tend to hit those points harder and faster because they know a certain percentage of people will insist that women can’t be misogynists. Certainly there are male misogynists who are just as bold (frequently covered on this blog), but most of the male misogynists I encounter in real life often want to rely on misogynist talking points while denying that they are actually misogynists.

solecism
solecism
1 year ago

@Alan

Defamation Nation: Activism and the Law?
Using the Activist Voice: Avoiding Defamation?
Breakfast of Animal Champions: Chewing Over Defamation Law/Defamation is Crunchy/Taking the Bite out of Defamation
Defamatory Oratory or Speaking Truth to Power?

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
1 year ago

Caska wrote:

Can someone confirm for certain that this individual is indeed a woman? I have my suspicions.

I was wondering if she was actually a person. She writes like an AI trained on input from Marxist (for the jargon) and MRA (for the attitude) sites. GIGO.

Nequam
Nequam
1 year ago

@mildlymagnificent:

She could have been trying to put a feminine ending “e” on “bourgeois” (compare “blond” and “blonde”), as shown here… or maybe she’s just a wanky pseudo-intellectual?

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Katamount
Katamount
1 year ago

Now I’m just a humble middle-class furry who’s rather new to the socialism thing, but I don’t think Aimee Terese is doing praxis right. The only credit that I’d give (and this might be too much) is that she does have a point that the media’s focus on celebrities undercuts the point of the MeToo hashtag, which was that women everywhere across the socio-political spectrum have shared in the same experiences with harassing, coercing, or domineering men. From the minimum wage worker at Arby’s to Amber Heard. That’s why the hashtag was (and continues to be) so powerful.

Will capitalism attempt to co-opt a popular grassroots movement? Undoubtedly. That doesn’t remove from the underlying problems the grassroots component of the movement is attempting to push to the fore, nor does it make the initiatives to ameliorate the conditions that allow harassment to take place less important. Granted, if they’re being undertaken by charter school champions The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, I’d question their commitment and efficacy, but that’s not the conversation Aimee’s having. She seems to have learned a bunch of, as David said, “Marxoid” words recently and think they make her sound like the Chapo guys or something.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
1 year ago

@ Alan

“Defamation Law for Fun and Nonprofit”?

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
1 year ago

Nequam

Using my super-duper fake-Marxist detector (patented by the Inspector Gadget Accessories for Intellectuals factory) …

… get the setting right on this knob here … wanky pseudo-intellectual b-b-beep-beep-beep-beeeeeep-twang.

I think you’re right.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Casta:

Women can absolutely be sexist and terrible, BUT they don’t tend to insult other women the same way men do. For example, it is almost always the purview of men to insult a woman by calling her too ugly to be f*cked or sexually assaulted. I have never in my life heard an identified feminist (Marxist or otherwise) use such language.

Well, there’s Germaine Greer, and I’m not just talking about her terfy side. I’m thinking of the time she wrote about Suzanne Moore: “hair bird’s-nested all over the place, fuck-me shoes and three fat inches of cleavage”.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@VP:

*offended English major flaps her cape*

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Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Moggie

Ha!

Shadowplay
1 year ago

@Nequam

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(It’s the Road to Eldorado “Both is good” gif – in case it doesn’t show up)

solecism
solecism
1 year ago

@Gaebolga

Ooh! I like that one.

Nequam
Nequam
1 year ago

Aside: any incels out there having terrible opinions about this guy?

https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/brian-clyde/

He’s making some Internet rounds because of this picture that was taken of him before he was shot down by cops:

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Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
1 year ago

@Casta
Just as with the example I gave in my previous comment here with the female filmmaker relying on exactly the same type of misogynist tropes as male edgelords with a camera, I’ve seen plenty of other examples of women doing or saying just as horribly sexist and misogynist stuff as men, even those self-identifying as feminists.

More often than not it’s the result of the “cool girl” attitude as described here with an additional dose of “not like other girls”, paired with internalized misogyni and the sad fact that people are raised to believe that the only way to lift women up is to tear other women down or for them to renounce anything too feminine, of which empathy is usually the first thing to go.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

I… uh, I have to admit I still don’t understand what “the fracture” is from those tweets, except that it’s probably not vaginas.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

@Casta – you originally said:

Can someone confirm for certain that this individual is indeed a woman? I have my suspicions.

Asking if someone is, indeed, a women sounds REALLY REALLY TERFY to me, and I am strongly side-eyeing you.

Women can absolutely be sexist and terrible, BUT they don’t tend to insult other women the same way men do. For example, it is almost always the purview of men to insult a woman by calling her too ugly to be f*cked or sexually assaulted. I have never in my life heard an identified feminist (Marxist or otherwise) use such language. This trope is used almost exclusively by misogynistic men (see sargon of akkad) to insult women.

… What? No it isn’t, women are people who are in the same culture as the men are, and will often say the same types of insults. What even is this?

The language is the give away – the persona presented to us is not genuine, we are being trolled in a major way.

No.

Why are you going here?

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

Can someone please explain to all the women who have told me I’m not rapeable because I’m fat and I should take unwanted advances as a compliment because I’m too gross to hit on that women don’t use that kind of language on other women?? Tyty

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 year ago

I *just* finished hate-reading a book written by a women who has written strong female characters in other books, and the only female ‘main’ character was protrayed as petty and jealous throughout.

Honestly, I want to read the story from her point of view, because she was fighting against something that was a hell of a lot more interesting than the main male character trying to figure out why she wouldn’t move in with him.

HINT TO HIM: it’s not the rough conditions you were living in – it’s that she knows what she is doing is important, and you’ve told her multiple times that it’s a stupid idea. She is Getting Shit Done, and you should really examine why you’re having such petty thoughts about her.

Not to mention the author should really have gone deeper into this, rather than ‘she’s ultimately not cut out to be a leader of people’, when all the other men in the original group she was part of somehow are. Even the incredibly shy one.

Rrrrr.

Sylvia Daniella Foxglove

Wow, Vogon Poetry for conservatives and Reactionaries. Loved the fat shaming. It was the only part I really understood. I just love how people are overweight are somehow not allowed to have political opions.. Which I mean frell that since I’m over 260. I mean everyone here is definitely correct. I just think that using the term Vogon Political Poetry is a good term for what shes saying. It’s near impossible to understand, painful to read and I have not slept enough in 20 years to even begin parsing what’s she saying… Beyond I’m special and should be played attention to just like all the other White Male Alt-righters do… Truly exhausting.

Katamount
Katamount
1 year ago

OT, but just something neat from one of my cemetery crawls. Apparently one of the former Russian Grand Duchesses is buried in the York Cemetery right behind Mel Lastman Square (which for non-Torontonian Mammotheers is where the tragic van attack occurred last year).
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Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, younger sister of Nicholas II, fled the Russian Revolution to Denmark, where she lived for about 30 years before fears of further reprisals from Stalin had her and her husband relocating to Canada, first settling on a farm in Campbellville until the work became too much for the aging couple, eventually settling in Cooksville, Ontario (now part of Mississauga).
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Despite having to put up with a rash of Romanov imposters over the years and practically every royal visiting Canada, Olga and Nikolai were seen regularly about town, shopping for groceries or receiving letters from all over the world. Olga was a prodigious painter and made money selling her works, mostly on name recognition alone. After her husband’s death in 1958, increasingly unable to care for herself, Olga moved in with family friends who lived in a Gerrard Street apartment, where she died in 1960.
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Quite the remarkable life story. Be sure to check your local cemeteries, there could be Russian nobility buried there that you don’t know about. O.o

Nentuaby
Nentuaby
1 year ago

“Frigid women may be killing office productivity 😜”

Ah yes, that ultimate concern of the marxist left, *checks smeared note on hand*: corporate productivity.

She literally does just forget which side she claims to be on, doesn’t she.

Betrayer
Betrayer
1 year ago

Post-leftists are often worse than right-wingers.

Scanisaurus
Scanisaurus
1 year ago

@Nentuaby
Exactly, I don’t think she was ever left-wing to begin with, at least not outside using some cool and edgy vocabulary anyway.

People who actually care about left-wing issues would be more concerned standing up to corporations and abusers in power rather than victim-blame anyone complaining about bad corporate practices and abuse of power.

Anyone willing to bet that if she’d lived in the 1850’s she’d be spending all her days whining about all slaves secretly being uncle Toms whilst simultaneously accusing them of being too brash and uppity whenever they complained about slavery?

Shadowplay
1 year ago

@Casta

I have never in my life heard an identified feminist (Marxist or otherwise) use such language.

Might want to get out more.

Turan, Emissary of the Fly World
Turan, Emissary of the Fly World
1 year ago

This is absolutely the least important thing Terese gets wrong in her tweets, but as no one else has mentioned it two pages in, I might as well point it out: Michelle Williams is not an Oscar winner. She has had multiple nominations, but she has not won yet.

On the one hand, this is an easy mistake to make. On the other hand, it is also an easy mistake to correct, if one only takes a moment to read and think about what one has written before hitting “send.”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ moggie, silly-bollocks, Vicky p, solecism, and gaebolga

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

They’re all such brilliant suggestions. I”m just going to relay all of them to the site admin and let her choose. But they’re all so clever. I think I’ll probably steal variations of them for future posts.

The next planned article is about protection for whistleblowers; so if you have any ideas on that I’d love to hear!

Silly-bollocks
Silly-bollocks
1 year ago

@Katamount

Cemetery crawl? Like you go to cemeteries to find famous people? Do you Google all the names? How do you know which names to look up or do you show up with a list of names in mind?

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

Be sure to check your local cemeteries, there could be Russian nobility buried there that you don’t know about. O.o

Dunno about buried Russians, but Princess Irina of Romania is in prison near here.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
1 year ago

Come to think of it, I live within an hour or so of Emperor Norton’s grave, so maybe I should pay his Imperial Majesty a visit one of these days.

ReductiveChaos
ReductiveChaos
1 year ago

Reading her tweets make me feel like I’m reading the product of a neural network that was trained on alt-right/MRA content, and then had a bunch of Karl Marx fed into it.

Hypatia's Daughter
Hypatia's Daughter
1 year ago

Katamount, thank you for your posts. They are bringing back many nostalgic memories.
My parents lived in Applewood Acres from 1965. I went to Gordon Graydon High (Wally Ward, who was the principal then, died this year).
I have lived in the U.S. since 1995 but my daughter lives at Lakeshore & Cawthra.
I didn’t know about the Grand Duchess, but we kids had a rumor that Colonel Sanders (of KFC fame) had a house on our street where he stayed when in town. Probably it was just some guy with white hair & a goatee.😃

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

Aimee has weighed in on Kyle Kashuv’s rejection from Harvard:

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It’s an absolute doozy.

Joan Pasley
Joan Pasley
1 year ago

Hello! Newbie here. I have seen some alt-right nonsense, but this takes the cake. This chick sounds like one of you tube boobs. Throwing out a lot of big words. Maybe her and bari Weiss should hang out together. They both have the same mentalty. I was referred to this site by angry white men.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

@Mish
Oof.
1) What surveillance was he under? His classmates took screenshots of messages he left in shared documents used for schoolwork. Plus other students just reported what they remembered him saying. None of that is surveillance.
2) What shifting norms? Was it the norm to talk about making a map of your school to practice killing all the jews at some point?
3) Children can make private, offhand comments, still (though decent ones probably wouldn’t be spewing hate speech). These were made semi-publicly through a written medium. Just like a note I passed in class when I was 16 could have come back to bite me later, this came back to bite him because he used a medium that leaves a paper trail.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@ReductiveChaos

Haha, that is a perfect way to describe these tweets!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

Frigid women? That was once a pet peeve of mine. I used to work in offices where the temperature outside would be in the 70s, 80s, or even 90s (Fahrenheit) — and inside, I would be wearing a wool jacket and my hands would be red with cold.

Because men preferred it chilly.

I haven’t experienced this recently, presumably because air conditioning is expensive and also consumes a lot of energy.*

A few years ago I worked in an office in an old, inadequately heated (but not freezing-cold) building. Then the company moved to a newer building with, miraculously, heat everywhere. In the air. All around me. Heat. It seemed to me to be a bizarre turn of events. Heat.

*OR IS IT MISANDRY? U DECIDE.

tim gueguen
1 year ago

A couple of days ago I commented elsewhere that there are probably Marxists who oppose the LGBTQ rights movement, because it’s a plot to weaken the proletariat, somehow. I suspect Terese might be pretty close to thinking that.

Silly-bollocks
Silly-bollocks
1 year ago

“Hey Siri, please define Panopticon.”

Honestly, as someone who didn’t attend post-secondary, the only good thing about Aimees tweets is that I’m learning so many new words. Now I just need to learn how to properly use the apostrophe (is it Aimees, Aimee’s, or Aimees’?). 😂

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ silly-bollocks

I have a bit of an interest in penal policy; and all the Panopticon stuff iswell worth a read if you like that sort of thing. I used to have to go to HMP Pentonville a lot*; and that’s based on the Panopticon concept. It was pretty much the prototype.

(*which gives you an idea of my acquittal rate)