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Incel wisdom: Only cucks wear underwear, because it restricts penis growth

Tighty whities: A tool of Satan?

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By David Futrelle

Some critical (if not, strictly speaking, true) information for penis-havers from the Incels.is forums:

Only cucks wear underwear
 Dec 8, 2018
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Restricting your dick and balls is for cucks. So, only a cuck would wear underwear

thats probably why africans have big dicks - they dont have underwear restricting the growth of their penis

Utter nonsense — with a side order of racism!

Incels, please wear underwear. The more layers between your unwashed bodies and the rest of us, the better.

Also, seriously, dudes, much less chance of cutting off your dick with your zipper.

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Wetherby
Wetherby
1 year ago

Why would men with giant dongs be superior? Certainly not sexual pleasure; the best study I’ve read suggested that most women prefer only slightly above average size, while men with very large schlongs often have trouble finding partners.

I forget the source of this, but there was a recent study that involved asking women to pick a dildo that represented their preferred penis size, and the winner by a very hefty margin was one that was around six and a half inches long. In other words, only slightly above average, which suggests that “average” would most likely have been fine too.

And two of my partners have reminisced about painful and embarrassing encounters (the embarrassment being on both sides) with men who were ridiculously over-endowed. It sounds like the classic case of reality dramatically failing to measure up to fantasy.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

I’ve always been given to understand by my lady friends that girth is far more important than length, because excessive girth provides interesting stretching while excessive length just starts banging the cervix, which I’m given to understand is… less than pleasant. So I’m always a bit baffled by how fixated certain types of men seem to be on length. I mean, I assume a nine-inch dick the width of a pencil would be far more disappointing than a five-inch dick of reasonable diameter.

But, y’know, straight cis male here, so what do I know?

Though there was one woman who used to hang around the local meet-market bar waving a large dildo and crying out “If it’s any smaller than this, don’t bother!”

@Bookworm in hijab

That would probably provide much more information than we want.

Walter
Walter
1 year ago

@all

I would love to answer your questions about size realism, however some members have stated that this topic causes them discomfort so I will not talk about it anymore.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

size realism

How come just about any time anyone appends with ‘realism’ you just know something dodgy is about to be stated? Cf: race ‘realism’.

(I’ll make an exception for the work of George Bellows)

Wetherby
Wetherby
1 year ago

Surely “size realism” would constitute an acceptance that the vast majority of penises are between five and six inches in length and that this is perfectly normal? Which seems to be the opposite of what Walter is peddling.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
1 year ago

Maybe he misspelled “size royalism”.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

Let’s see if this comic works…

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Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
1 year ago

Yesss! I succeeded at internetting! Xkcd for the win!!!

Katamount
Katamount
1 year ago

…just wondering whether it was serendipitous that SFDebris reviewed Zardoz this weekend…..

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Just as a side note about one of young Katamount’s earliest brushes with the proto-alt-right, it was the halcyon days of the mid-aughts where I was just getting established as a furry artist on DeviantART. That was in that 2005-2006 period where the Bush administration was at its lowest point: Iraq was decaying and Katrina had just devastated New Orleans. And it was at that time that I started getting active on the DeviantART Political Thread and rather than talk about the latest failure of the Bush regime, there was a couple of regulars who would always post these essay-length comments about the work of J. Philippe Rushton and Kevin MacDonald. And they would always get promptly smacked down by other regulars who had seen it before and had rebuttal articles from peer-reviewed journals lined up.

Rushton was the guy who literally went around polling black men about the size of their genitalia. He was old hat 15 years ago. Now a bunch of YouTube trolls think because they dug him up that his nonsense is either “new” or “too scary” to be debated in the “free marketplace of ideas”? Get real.

I noticed the trend though: this stupid culture war crap always comes out when a right-wing administration has been discredited.

Lainy
Lainy
1 year ago

@Walter

I know what you are trying to do but do not use my trauma as an excuse to not confront the criticism you are getting. You haven’t even addressed mine about how in your ideal world how you would even deal with the powerful large penis owner being someone who harmed a teenaged girl. He would have power you realize. The way I see it the people in your world who want to give him and others like him power would probably not even take me seriously. They would dismiss it as ” he wouldn’t do that, he as a large penis so he’s superior.” I’m angry and upset by your beliefs, but I want you to be confronted with different sides of reality. You have to work that in if you want to argue this or believe this. Maybe if your a good person it will change your perspective. It will make you see how that wouldn’t work. So go ahead, Answer the criticism, if your truly worried about me being hurt about then keep in mind saying shit like ” size realism is good for women so you should be on my side” is garbage and hurtful. Be aware that I am here and others like me are probably here as well.

Hambeast
Hambeast
1 year ago

Walter, I’m gonna just come out and say this: You are stuck on a faulty and dangerous premise here. (changed from a possibly ableist term)

How the hell is “size realism” good for women?? Seems to me it’s just the opposite.

1. Most of us vagina-havers prefer average sized penes. Yes, size queens exist, but I doubt they’re anything like a majority.

1a. You’ve also erased trans men and women here.

2. As a power structure, it leaves non penis-havers completely out of the equation.

2a. You’ve erased trans men here, too.

Finally, as someone who had a similar experience to Lainy’s (I am so impressed with your courage!) you can fuck right off.

Sorry if any of this is fucked up, I’m a bit annoyed right now.

PettyBetty
PettyBetty
1 year ago

The weird thing is that IIRC, Walter did, in one comment, mention that some people who have penises aren’t men. So I think he’s at least vaguely thought about the existence of trans people, just not quite enough to make him realize this whole endeavor is moronic.

Bina
1 year ago

Rushton was the guy who literally went around polling black men about the size of their genitalia. He was old hat 15 years ago. Now a bunch of YouTube trolls think because they dug him up that his nonsense is either “new” or “too scary” to be debated in the “free marketplace of ideas”? Get real.

And also discredited way back in the mid-1980s, and ridiculed all over academe from the moment he published his nonsense. Yet somehow, racists are still finding him to be oooh-ahhhh suuuuuuper-scientific, if only because his “research”, which was heavily reliant on self-reporting questionnaires, supports their biases (“blacks bad/inferior because big dick and small brains, whites good/superior because other way ’round, Asians even better because score higher on IQ because small dick and big brains”, basically).

Meanwhile, actual science shows that there aren’t any significant size differences between the brains of blacks, whites and Asians, or their dicks either.

And that “dangerous big black dick” story? Dates back to the age of slavery, when the “child-like” minds and big dicks (and muscles) of black men were used, even spuriously, as justifications for keeping them enslaved (and preventing them from “miscegenating” with white women).

In short, “scientific” dick insecurity has a long and storied history. And a lot of bogus and unsupported theories to pad it out, too.

BTW, here’s a (very explicit) doc about it…

Onager
Onager
1 year ago

Walter, if nothing else could you at least finish the limerick you started in your second post?

It went something like:

I know many of you think my ideas are sily,

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

@Onager:

At a guess, it reads as follows:

I know many of you think my ideas are silly
As your reactions are really quite chilly
Yet we could all get along
And talk about schlongs
If you’d only make fun of my willy.

Robert
Robert
1 year ago

Rapid Rabbit, thank you for the link to the Prince Carlos article. I had not heard of him before; sounds like a real life King Joffrey in the making. It reminded me of one of my favorite dystopian historical what-ifs – a healthy son of Queen Mary Tudor and Philip II would have become King of both England and Spain, and Elizabeth would never have become Queen. Of course, the mix of Habsburg and Tudor genes would probably have produced a humanoid abomination.

Walter – you do realize that the size of a flaccid penis is unrelated to its size when erect, correct? There’s a reason for the terms ‘shower’ and ‘grower’.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

@Robert
He actually went on at length (ahem) once about the best measurement techniques so he knows. His arguments are just extremely poorly thought through.

Jane Done
Jane Done
1 year ago

Walter reminds me of donald trump. At first, absurdly silly, but after realising the damaging, toxic and violent effects of his ideology, the whole situation loses its humour.

any way of “peacefully instantiating” ideologies that would rather the other side die or otherwise cease to exist

THIS
ALL OF THIS

It could be coincidence, but the only time I have ever seen the word “tribalism” and it’s derivatives used is in deliberate attempts to erase privilege and bigotry and put homophobes and queer people, racists and poc, etc on the “same level” as two groups with an “equal stake” in the situation.

It’s nothing more than supremacist propoganda.

Fuck you supremacists. I do not need to “compromise” my basic rights because someone is squicked at the thought that I’m allowed to live. That person is 100% in the wrong and I have NOTHING to apologize for.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
1 year ago

@Jane Done

yes, that.

Also “tribalism” is itself a misnomer, and hugely simplifies, distorts, and erases the ways that actual tribal societies can work. Lemme see if I can dig something up on this, one sec…

here we go!

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/K-12/Tribe.html

Robert
Robert
1 year ago

Thank you, Kupo!

Jane Done – that reminds me of the mocking of ‘reasonable centrists’ advocating compromise between Group A and Group B, when Group B’s goal is ‘Kill Group A’ and Group A’s goal is ‘Don’t get killed’.

Janine Dupre
Janine Dupre
1 year ago

I thought that Rushton was from like the 1800’s. Have to look him up.
There is no difference in the size of organs between groups around the world whether it is the size of their kidneys, heart or penis.
I don’t even know how you could accurately measure a penis.Just asking someone their size would be too unscientific.You would have to have the same person doing the measuring to account for any biases in how they do it.You’d also have to measure flaccid and erect but only erect would really matter. You also would need very large numbers in the study and since Africa is a very large and diverse continent just measuring in one area would mean nothing and you couldn’t really come to any conclusions about black penis size.
Even if some large scientific study was done I doubt that if there are differences that they would be significant.
I don’t even see the point of doing such a study and it would just be a waste of time and money.

Janine Dupre
Janine Dupre
1 year ago

@Weatherby

Yes you’re right. The dildo chosen is the same as an average erect penis size. Why would someone want some monster penis that they couldn’t even use?

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Walter
Nobody here, as far as I can tell, is sympathetic to your ideas about a hierarchy based on penis size. Not only are most of us — maybe even all of us — against hierarchies in general, we’re quite aware that some people prefer large penises on either sex partners or themselves or both while others prefer medium-size or small penises. Others prefer no penis at all.

You enjoy talking about penises. Perhaps you should seek out some other forum where you can indulge this hobby. Or is it a career? In a world where Donald Trump is the president of my country, I would not be flabbergasted to find out that you’re being paid to disrupt anti-hierarchical discussions.

Walter
Walter
1 year ago

@Lainy

If you really want for me to continue, I will. I was being genuine in what I said though. I do not want to make anyone feel uncomfortable or bad in any way. I do sincerely apologize that I made you remember your horrible experience.

You make a good point about how a survivor might not be believed in a cockocracy if she or he was assaulted by a hung stud. I honestly don’t have an answer for that problem. I can only hope that a society built around size realism would be evolved enough to believe and support women when they come forward with these kinds of accusations.

Walter
Walter
1 year ago

@all

I think most of you are misunderstanding why penis size matters. It isn’t for sexual reasons. You don’t need a penis for sex. Penis size matters because the penis has intrinsic value as the foundation of human society and the universe itself.

I think once you recognize that, the value of big dicks becomes obvious.

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

I can only hope that a society built around size realism would be evolved enough to believe and support women when they come forward with these kinds of accusations.

Why would your society do that when women by definition have zero power? Why would your society be any better than any other hierarchy when, as you fully admit, people undeserving of power will be given plenty of it by accident of birth? If penis size does not indicate nor imbue one with goodness, as evident by the very existence large-bepenised rapists, why would your society be any better?

Penis size matters because the penis has intrinsic value as the foundation of human society and the universe itself.

So people without penises have absolutely no intrinsic value. Wow. Just wow.

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
1 year ago

@Walter

I honestly don’t have an answer for that problem

The answer is obvious. Your ideas are utter nonsense that reflect neither what humanity is nor what it should be, yet you are not rational enough to ditch it and seek reality-based solutions or actual philosophy of any sort.

If there was any kind of rationality or patterned thought behind your “theories”, which let’s just be honest with ourselves there isn’t, the fact that you don’t have an answer for this incredibly common and EASILY foreseeable occurrence demonstrates you are not a philosopher. You are a fetishist pretending to be a philospher.

Who I am is evidence that your “ideas”, if we can dishonor the word idea enough to use it for this purpose, intentionally ignore the diversity among humanity. Some women have dicks. Some men literally do not. This girl does. The issue with men’s obsession with dicks is not a “dominance” thing, it’s that men are socialized to be obsessive creepy fetishists. Men who are not socialized that way display NONE of the so-called “real” traits you claim.

Your words are bunk. Emptiness. Supported not by logic nor credibility nor the work of those who actually have some of either. You assert without evidence, so I dismiss without requiring evidence. Put up some damn evidence or shut up and burn.

Penis size matters because the penis has intrinsic value as the foundation of human society and the universe itself.

Oh for the goddess’ sake. Just go suck some and stop pretending you have thoughts about things. Then stop and realize the universe DOES NOT revolve around dicks, and neither does human society.

You assert without evidence, I so dismiss. Put up (your evidence) or shut up (and BURN).

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

@Walter

Penis size matters because the penis has intrinsic value as the foundation of human society and the universe itself.

Mate porn does less cock worship than you do.

Fuck off for making us part of your fetish.

Tashilicious
Tashilicious
1 year ago

@Walter

I think most of you are misunderstanding why penis size matters. It isn’t for sexual reasons. You don’t need a penis for sex. Penis size matters because the penis has intrinsic value as the foundation of human society and the universe itself.

I think once you recognize that, the value of big dicks becomes obvious.

The only little thing about you that matters is your mind and knowledge of actual sociology, history, anthropology, facts, and… Well, everything.

The only reason penis size matters to anyone is because of toxic male insecurity and fragility. Stop worrying about dicks. No one cares.

You can kindly fuck off with shoving your small penis humiliation bullshit in here.

Mabret (née Laugher at Bigots)
Mabret (née Laugher at Bigots)
1 year ago

Penis size matters because the penis has intrinsic value as the foundation of human society and the universe itself.

Amazing. Every word in that sentence is wrong. At the start of the Universe, there were no penises, because there was no Earth, or even matter. As Charlton Heston said as Moses, “Penises make poor mortar”. Good luck building a society with them. You will realize just how versatile your penis is not once you try to use it as a foundation. Value cannot be intrinsic, because things are adjudged to have value by minds. The Universe esteems a kilogram of gold not much differently from a kilogram of lead. Penis size doesn’t matter nearly as much as you think it does. If penises are so great and so divine, why do many people want to be rid of them?

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 year ago

@Walter

Penis size matters because the penis has intrinsic value as the foundation of human society and the universe itself.

Some would disagree with you.

The Goddess movement draws some of its inspiration from the work of archaeologists such as Marija Gimbutas,Gimbutas, Marija (1982) [1974]. The Gods and Goddesses of Old Europe, 6500-3500 B.C.: Myths and Cult Images. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-5202-5398-8.[37][38] whose interpretation of artifacts excavated from “Old Europe” points to societies of Neolithic Europe that were “matristic” or “goddess-centered” worshipping a female deity of three primary aspects inspiring some neopagan worshippers of Triple Goddess.

Heide Göttner-Abendroth, working in the 1970s to mid 1980s, called these cultures “matriarchies”, introducing a feminist field of “Modern Matriarchal Studies”. She presented a theory of the transformation of prehistoric cultures in which the local goddess was primary and the male god, if any, derived his power from the goddess. In what she terms the “Downfall”, which occurred at varying times throughout a multitude of cultures, the gods overcame the goddesses and made them subservient.[39]

Göttner-Abendroth’s terminology is [idiosyncratic]. The term “matriarchy” to describe these cultures has been rejected by many Goddess-movement scholars, especially those in North America, because it implies female domination as the reverse of the male domination present in patriarchy. These scholars make the point that such a reversal was not the case; rather these prehistoric cultures were egalitarian and had a social structure that included matrilineality – inheritance of assets and parentage traced through the maternal line.[2][37][40][41][42] According to Riane Eisler, cultures in which women and men shared power, and which worshipped female deities, were more peaceful than the patriarchal societies that followed.

Wikipedia, “Goddess movement”

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

…Penises are the foundation of the universe?

What, so do we live on top of a disk supported by four elephants on top of a giant turtle on top of a GIANT DONG?

Or are all atoms secretly made out of incredibly tiny penises? Is it penises all the way down? But wait, if the penises are incredibly tiny, then those are bad penises. Because everyone knows the value of a penis is how big it is. The entire universe is made of absolutely rubbish penises, then.

…well, I mean, that WOULD explain some of the more recent happenings in the world right now…

What on earth makes penises more important than any other arbitrarily-selected piece of flesh? Why is penis size supposedly the deciding factor in personal value and not, say, the length of one’s duodenum?

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

But David! He was such a little bother!

(OK, sorry. Couldn’t resist. Walter, if you’re still reading, please don’t have an orgasm.)

coilybepraised
coilybepraised
1 year ago

I’ll start by saying that I don’t mean to derail the conversation and you can certainly tell me off if you want to, but here is my selfish question.
So I deal with penis size anxiety and I’m married and in a very good relationship, but I can shake the feeling that I’m inadequate in bed and my size/performance will ultimately lead to the end of our marriage.

The problem mainly is that I know I’m being irrational and I know that there is nothing really wrong with me but the insecurity exists nonetheless. My partner tells me not to worry, she loves me and my body, etc. But the anxiety causes me not to believe her, and I’m afraid I’ll never get over this. I know it’s all in my head and my internal problem, I’ve never actually been told that I’m inferior.

So yes, I know, this is my dumb selfish rant but it is important to me. Sorry if violates the “drama” part of the comments section but I truly value the commenters here. I used to comment here infrequently back in the day(like 3 years ago) and I don’t even remember my old user name but I just try to be an ally and call out misogynistic bs when I see it and since I’m a cis male I mainly try to educate other guys on toxic masculinity. Maybe I’ll be more active from now on.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
1 year ago

I know Walter’s gone, but I do have to say that the thought of penises being the foundation of anything sounds pretty damn painful.

I’ll keep mine out of construction projects, thanks.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

I dunno. Might be useful.

Universe is expanding too fast? Just point and laugh for a bit.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Coilybepraised,

No worries. You didn’t say anything anything wrong. Our culture promotes so many weird genital hangups, size for penises, smell for vaginas etc that’s it pretty normal and understandable to have these anxieties. I’m sure the Walter show wasn’t helping.

Anyway, welcome back!

Onager
Onager
1 year ago

@Rabid Rabbit you win this thread!

@Catalpa

Or are all atoms secretly made out of incredibly tiny penises?

I believe scientists, led by Prof Walter, are indeed trying to prove this. Which is why they built the Large Hardon Collider.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

I refuse to believe that Walter wouldn’t have insisted on only building a Small Hardon Collider.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

Which is why they built the Large Hardon Collider.

I probably shouldn’t admit to how much that made me laugh. (It was a lot, though.)

Mabret (née Laugher at Bigots)
Mabret (née Laugher at Bigots)
1 year ago

It took me a minute, because I read “Hardon” as “Hadron”. I only “got it” when I wondered why it was so funny, then I read it more carefully.

Pagan Reader - Misandrist Spinster
Pagan Reader - Misandrist Spinster
1 year ago

It took me a minute, because I read “Hardon” as “Hadron”. I only “got it” when I wondered why it was so funny, then I read it more carefully.

…it took me until I read your comment to get it, so you’re definitely not alone in not getting it at first.

Crip Dyke
Crip Dyke
1 year ago

David said:

Well, that’s definitely all the Walter we need. A bit more that we needed, really. I banned him.

So… you’re saying we were exposed to an unusually (and undesirably) long bit of Walter in this thread?

Ironically enough, I agree.

Wetherby
Wetherby
1 year ago

It took me a minute, because I read “Hardon” as “Hadron”. I only “got it” when I wondered why it was so funny, then I read it more carefully.

Gloriously, a decade or so ago the Daily Telegraph really did accidentally call it the Large Hardon Collider – and in a headline.