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Has-been “pickup artist” Roosh V sounds more like an incel every day

Sad fact: Women only want to date The Beatles

By David Futrelle

Pity poor Roosh! It seems like only yesterday the alleged pickup artist and semi-ironic rape legalization proponent was basking in a worldwide wave of adulation hatred as he trotted around a portion of the globe on his “Roosh World Tour,” bringing his message of “neomasculinity” to his small but fervent fanbase and generating headlines at every stop.

Three years on, Roosh is decidedly old news; traffic on his websites has fallen and his attempts to provoke the media beast have been generally ignored — and he has dropped his pickup artist schtick almost entirely, instead posting grouchy post after post lamenting what he sees as the terribleness of modern women and his inability to land himself a sweet virginal hottie wife.

Yes, the dude who won fame teaching men such innovative “pickup” techniques as  following drunk women home from bars and never telling them your real name is angry that evil “Chads” are bogarting all the women.

It seems, in other words, that this former PUA has now become something of an incel.

In a recent blog post with the petulant title “All That’s Left For Normal Men Are Rotten Women,” Roosh blames evil alpha males for ruining women for ordinary guys like himself. Sounding more than a little like a commenter from some egregious incel forum, he complains that “the most attractive women are being taken out of circulation to either join alpha male harems or participate in degenerate lifestyle choices,” rendering it nearly impossible for most men to snag themselves “a mentally stable and cute woman in her prime.”

“In the modern Western world,” he grouses,

a single famous man can command the sexual attentions of dozens—if not thousands—of women in their sexual prime, spoiling these women for normal men who don’t have the ability to tingle their vaginas with the same intensity.

It’s a little weird to see a guy who once made a living off his reputation as a primo lady-killer seemingly admit straight up that he can’t “tingle … vaginas” to save his life.

How many actors, musicians, and sports athletes are trying to plow through as much prime pussy as possible? How many Hollywood directors and music producers are leveraging their positions for sexual gain? How many club owners, restaurateurs, Arab sheikhs, and politicians are doing the same? Each one is taking way more beautiful women out of circulation than men like my grandfather [who Roosh says had three wives], all while elevating their standards to such an extent that no average man can ever gain their love, let alone two hours—or even two minutes–of their uninterrupted attention.

Two minutes? Is Roosh confessing that he’s a two-minute man? Well, as Jemaine Clement of The Flight of the Conchords once famously sang, “two minutes in heaven is better than one minute in heaven.” Except he was joking.

We also have to account for female lifestyle choices that are designed to delay or prevent pair bonding and marriage. The biggest is career. Most girls, while embarking on a career, balance out the boredom of working a meaningless job by hopping on the cock carousel and banging at least a few men every year.

He’s actually angry at the very notion that a women might have sex with … more than one or two men over the course of a year?

By the time a girl hits 25 years old, any man who meets her will have to deal with a walk-in closet of emotional issues and hang-ups from being pumped and dumped as much as a 1930’s brothel whore.

Apparently brothels in the 1930s weren’t exactly doing land-office business, if the women working there only had two or three customers a year.

Then there is the Instagram and Facebook lifestyle that creates crippling dopamine addiction, which causes a girl to only be satisfied if dozens of men are actively thirsting for her every day. I estimate that if a girl has over 500 followers on Instagram, she is so used to attention from throngs of men that the love of one man cannot possibly satisfy her.

Apparently Roosh can’t compete with Instagram “likes.”

We must also throw in the growing “travel blogger” lifestyle where, instead of using only her body to get attention, a girl uses pictures and video from exotic locations to enhance her beauty.

I’m beginning to suspect that Roosh spends most of his time following Instagram models and muttering angrily to himself each time one of them gives him a boner.

Other girls, with nothing substantial to offer the world, decide to showcase pictures of pets or their tasty overpriced meals, but even that puts them on a dopamine loop that ruins their future interactions with men.

Now he’s mad at women who post pics of their fucking DOGS or the sandwich they had for lunch? Honestly, dude, this is getting embarrassing.

Roosh goes on to complain about “sugar babies” and porn stars, then declares:

The Western world is a sinkhole for women. The prettiest of the bunch fall into the hole and get spit out years later an entitled #MeToo hag who can never be happy, making the Islamic four-wive rule seem downright egalitarian.

Yes, he said “entitled #MeToo hag.” He evidently thinks that women who are raped and/or sexually harassed are somehow … privileged.

The sad truth is that if you meet an attractive girl today, she was pumped and dumped by numerous sexy men, prefers to nurture her career than children, is addicted to attention via the internet, and has participated in some kind of scheme to exchange social status or cash for her pussy. She’s more than suitable for a bit of fun, but would it be wise to seek a relationship with her?

Yes, those lady grapes are definitely sour.

But take heart, ladies! Roosh is still a romantic at heart, and would be happy to settle for one of you!

Even with the obesity and short-hair epidemic, I still see a bountiful supply of cute girls I would happily reproduce with.

Great news for all human females!

I would love them, let them caress my beard, and lay my seed deep within their vaginal guts …

You would do WHAT in their WHATS!? Ewwwww.

… but the problem is that those guts are not for me—they are for the Chads who would never marry her, the beta orbiters who await her newest selfie as if it were a source of food, or the rich and lonely men who would sponsor her for thousands of dollars a month.

Dude, you’re honestly saying that you can’t compete with a woman’s “beta orbiters?” I thought pickup artists were supposed to be the alphas every woman years for.

They’re taking her out of circulation at the time I want her most, and by the time they are done with her, I no longer want her.

I’m pretty sure the feeling is mutual.

I guess I’ll try to weasel in a bang or two when she is not yet fully degraded, and enjoy the fleeting pleasure that comes from it as much as I can.

You’ll :try to weasel in a bang or two?” Dude, you give weasels a bad name.

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Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
Marshmallow Stacey Maximal (formerly bluecat)
2 years ago

The line “weasel in a bang or two” sent me to look up research into weasel and stoat reproductive strategies.

Apparently it has some bearing on variable weasel skull length.

For goodness sake don’t let the incels know, or that’s another one to put with “canthal tilt”!

Rhymenocerous
Rhymenocerous
2 years ago

I notice people talking about mediocre pizza. I don’t know why people are talking about pizza, and I didn’t actually check, but “making mediocre pizza” reminded me of a simple, quick, inexpensive and delicious pizza meal I came up with one day when i was feeling lazy, that is now a staple in our house.

1. Get a pack of Puff Pastry Shells (the kind with the lids)
2. Cook the pastries then remove the lids and let them cool
3. In the meantime, saute some mushrooms, onions, garlic
4. Mix your veggies with some pizza sauce
5. When the shells have cooled, line the insides with havarti cheese
6. Pour in your sauce and veggies into each shell
7. Put the lids on, then cover with a thin strip of either provolone or mozzarella (or both if you wanna live dangerously), and broil.
8. Remove from the oven and cover the shells with the remainder of the sauce
9. Eat a buttery, cheesy, saucy piece of heaven.

ellesar
ellesar
2 years ago

Funnily enough I thought of Roosh only yesterday, wondering when he might rear his ugly head again.

Whether he has sex with women or doesn’t have sex with women he still hates us with the same intensity.

At least this way he harms fewer women.

Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
2 years ago

You’ll :try to weasel in a bang or two?” Dude, you give weasels a bad name.

Weaseling is what separates us from the Animals. Well, except for Weasels.

That, and product placement.

(Also, Alpha Male Harem is now the name of my Procal Harum cover band)

AuntieMameRedux
AuntieMameRedux
2 years ago

There is so much wrong with this, I don’t even know where to start. And doesn’t Roosh have a dopamine addiction from seeking attention on the internet? At this point I think he’s starting to Jones.

I’ll leave you all with Robin Williams thoughts on virgins.

“So, the terrorists go to heaven and get 78 virgins? Translation can be a problem with theses old text, wait we meant 78 sultana raisins. But Anyone who has actually slept with a virgin is going I dunno.”

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
2 years ago

I’d also just like to state as I usually do that I fucking hate Roosh on a personal level, because his ‘world tour’ thing came, through Tumblr, to the attention of a sensitive and socially aware student of mine (eighth grade) who was scared to death that San Francisco was about to have rapists roaming the streets out of control, just when some friends of hers were planning to go there.

I can laugh at him. She was twelve, and he made her think her friends were going to be attacked and harmed. I owe the asshole a hard kick in the balls.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

If I’m understanding Roosh’s complaint correctly, by the time the average woman is 25 she has slept with a minimum of one Arab sheikh, one Hollywood producer, one famous restaurateur, and one sport athlete (as opposed to a non-sport athlete).

Makes perfect sense. High school girls who don’t live in big cities cross paths with celebrities all the time.

@Schnookums

Also, Alpha Male Harem is now the name of my Procal Harum cover band

A whiter shade of wail…

pitshade
pitshade
2 years ago

So Roosh, who alternated between citing his ancestry as a gotcha against the SJWs and courting racists, now exploits his infamy as a PUA to spout incel/MGTOW drivel… Big Brother would approve.

MissEdgyNation
MissEdgyNation
2 years ago

“I would love them, let them caress my beard, and lay my seed deep within their vaginal guts…”

Aaugghh! I think my entire reproductive system just shriveled to the size of a walnut and froze solid.

Sheila Crosby
2 years ago

Roosh must be nearly 40. I wonder what age women he’s chasing? Dear Lord, I hope they are women, not underage.

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
2 years ago

If I’m understanding Roosh’s complaint correctly, by the time the average woman is 25 she has slept with a minimum of one Arab sheikh, one Hollywood producer, one famous restaurateur, and one sport athlete (as opposed to a non-sport athlete).

The core of this, and related incel assertions seems to be the idea that wealthy and powerful men are having sex with so many women that there literally aren’t any other women for average Joes to have sex with.

Dudes. Hugh “Spiders Georg” Hefner was an outlier, and should not have been included in the study.

Does anyone else experience just…frustration…at how passionately these guys seem to believe in a social structure that doesn’t exist? That anyone should be able to see doesn’t exist?

Yes Roosh. It’s hard for a fortyish guy with limited resources and the personality of a moldy bowl of tuna salad to find a hot, submissive, uneducated virgin who really wants to marry him and caress his beard. I hear you. But that’s not because every woman who might have fulfilled that role is busily fucking dozens of celebrities. It’s because you’re awful.

Talonknife
Talonknife
2 years ago

In regards to the two major topics of this thread, I’ll leave you all with this famous quote:

“Sex is like pizza – even when it’s bad, it’s good.”

I can’t really comment on how accurate it is.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

Sex is like pizza

Indeed. If I take longer than 30 minutes I give you a pound back.

Full Metal Ox
2 years ago

@Sei Shonagon:

But when do *I* get to be in the alpha male harem? That sounds great! 🙁

I demand one hot dude occasionally and the helpful companionship of several women!

In short: you’d sign up for a timeshare of Prince Genji?

(And, yeah, I know Sei Shonagon was Lady Murasaki’s literary archrival.)

brian
brian
2 years ago

ooooooh! he’ll let them caress his beard! isn’t he GENEROUS!?

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Talonknife
I’ve had both which were so bad I decided not to finish.

Hambeast
Hambeast
2 years ago

Talonknife – I used to say that sex is like coffee because bad coffee is still better than no coffee!

I’ve since kicked the sex habit (not because I was trying to) but am still on the best of terms with my favorite caffeinated beverage!

Yutolia the Green Hash Thing
Yutolia the Green Hash Thing
2 years ago

@ellesar: me too. I was hoping this meant the manosphere had forgotten about him. Oh well, dare to dream, I guess.

Z&T
Z&T
2 years ago

@ Rhymenocerous,

I mentioned crappy pizza on another thread here and pondered trying home made. I have been eating these (frozen, store) pizzas lately with these awful cardboard, neigh, linoleum, crusts.

Many thanks again for all the suggestions! 🙂

About Roody Doody,

This guy, ug.

Can’t add much here, had this thought: He has really painted himself into a corner. What else can he do now? He really can’t “re invent himself” because he’s too well known. His negativity will follow him, even if he wanted to give it all up and become a chiropractor or something.

So much for all that superior logic and whatnot.

tonysam
tonysam
2 years ago

It sounds like Roosh has hit the wall.

tim gueguen
2 years ago

The only reason to touch Douchebag V’s beard is in the vague hope money and/or jewelry has somehow become entangled in it. Even then latex gloves are advised, and a full blown HAZMAT rig is probably best.

Raoul
Raoul
2 years ago

He’s not saying that he can’t seduce those women for a night or two, he’s saying that after an initial one night stand, women are so addicted to:

1)trying to constantly look for ‘better and better’ (taller, better looking, more muscular, bigger dick)

2) the thirst and attention from her beta male friends who she’ll likely never fuc

3) rich guys who give her 1000s, again who she’ll never bang.

That they won’t want to form a bond with anyone.

He’s got a point there, and I know women who agree

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
2 years ago

In short: you’d sign up for a timeshare of Prince Genji?

“Genji Polygatari”

(Sorry. I once tried reading an abbreviated English translation of Genji Monogatari, and boy it was boring.)

Bearpelt
Bearpelt
2 years ago

vaGINaL GuTS

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

He’s not saying that he can’t seduce those women for a night or two, he’s saying that after an initial one night stand, women are so addicted to:

1)trying to constantly look for ‘better and better’ (taller, better looking, more muscular, bigger dick)

2) the thirst and attention from her beta male friends who she’ll likely never fuc

3) rich guys who give her 1000s, again who she’ll never bang.

That they won’t want to form a bond with anyone.

He’s got a point there, and I know women who agree

Okay. The notion that one night of casual sex will destroy a woman forever and turn her into a slut who is also somehow a tease, turn her into a golddigger and render unable to form any bond ever is just ridiculous and needs some serious citations. Actual scientific ones, and not the pontifications of misogynists.

But for just a moment, lets say you’re right. Any woman who has a one night stand is ruined. Not only that, but all of Western civilization is now ruined because too many women have had a one night stand.

Aren’t Roosh and his website and the rest of the PUA community the biggest villains in history? If every woman that every PUA “seduced” is now ruined and civilization is threatened, then PUA has ruined civilization. The whole selling point of PUA is that it overrides women’s inclination to say no. That if we get “vagina tingles” we’re physically unable to resist. So it’s not really women’s fault if it worked. It’d be like hunting an animal to near extinction and then being angry at the animal instead of the poachers.

Instead of being angry at women, shouldn’t you be angry at the alphas and the practitioners of game? Shouldn’t Roosh be angry at himself instead of at women?

Why do men bear none of the responsibility for the supposedly rotten state of Western civilization? If men are so superior, shouldn’t you be the ones exercising restraint and not giving us inferior feeeemales that opportunity to slut it up?

Shouldn’t you also be supporting feminists in our fight against rape culture? I’m all the time hearing about how affirmative consent and MeToo is making men afraid to even be alone with us because they don’t want to be accused of rape. They always claim we’re ruining sex. Shouldn’t you then see us as allies in the fight to preserve the virginity of HB8-10 women? Why do you hate us so much?

Can I least hear how you propose to have a society in which men can have unlimited casual sex but women can’t have any? How would that work? Who would men have sex with? What would your ideal culture look like? I’m struggling to see how the math works. Help my inferior lady brain understand.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

Can I least hear how you propose to have a society in which men can have unlimited casual sex but women can’t have any? How would that work? Who would men have sex with?

Well, if only men are allowed to have casual sex, it stands to reason that they would be having sex with other men (and possibly with non-binary people, I’m not sure whether the NB folks would be allowed unlimited casual sex or absolutely no casual sex. Maybe they’d split the difference and have a specific, allotted amount of permitted casual sex.)

ellesar
ellesar
2 years ago

“Sex is like pizza – even when it’s bad, it’s good.”

Germaine Greer disagrees with you:

most rape was actually just ‘bad sex’ and ‘don’t involve any injury whatsoever’

ellesar
ellesar
2 years ago

I know women who agree

Yes I am sure you do Raoul. You seem to agree too?

Are you aware that on this site people get very very pissed off with women being lumped into one group where we are all the same?

That Roosh et al going on and on and on ad nauseum about the sluts and the whores that are Western women are just hateful rants by bitter and limited men/ boys?

Come on Raoul, don’t swallow any coloured pill!

Violet Beauregarde: Vulnerable Spitfire and Former Fetus for Diversity, Transgender Rights, and Science-Based Evidence Also Against Entitlements
Violet Beauregarde: Vulnerable Spitfire and Former Fetus for Diversity, Transgender Rights, and Science-Based Evidence Also Against Entitlements
2 years ago

Well for one thing, Rooshbag, we prefer guys who wipe their asses!

M K
M K
2 years ago

Roosh: *makes his living as a “pick-up artist” who convinces women to have casual sex with him*

Also Roosh: I am laid low by all these alpha Chads who women will just have casual sex with!

Like…how can he not see the inherent hypocrisy here?

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
2 years ago

@Raoul,

I’m gonna open to say that I’ve had a bad couple of days and you’re the unfortunate who’s decided to amble drunkenly into my yard. Mea culpa, and I apologize to anyone offended by loud noises, explosions or swearing.

I’m gonna take a different tack from the course WWTH has taken. You say that

women are so addicted to: … [wealth, appearance, attention] … That they won’t want to form a bond with anyone.

Let me take my fucking scalpels out here, my dood, and carve this ridiculous statement at the joints, like Plato suggested in Phaedrus.

(That’s right, you Petersonian lobsters watching on the sidelines, I’m takin’ it to the root of Western Civilization here. Argue against your own idols you sycophants.)

Your argument is in three parts:

A) “Women are addicted to stuff”,
B) A set of evidences of what the womz are addicted to, and
C) An assertion that A and B imply that women won’t want to form a bond with anyone.

(I see you in there, you fuckin’ shitty dopamine-causes-bonding-but-only-in-women argument. I’ll get to you later.)

So! My critiques!

A) Provide evidence that women are addicted to any social behaviour, Raoul. “Here’s a video of a woman doing things” doesn’t count. Show me that women are engaging in social behaviours in manners that men aren’t, and that it’s an addictive behaviour.

B) Show how that this addictive behaviour is focused on acquiring ever-more-wealthy, attractive, endowed, attentive partners, and not, y’know, normal humans making and ending relationships like normal humans do.

C) Show how these addictive behaviours lead to an inability to form emotional bonds. And please, please talk about dopamine and serotonin, or talk about seminal fluids. Please. I would love to eviscerate some actual shitty-biology-arguments.

In all of the above, “google it” or “it’s just obvious” doesn’t cut it, brosef. Know why? Because I can think up perfectly good alternate explanations for women not pair-bonding with a large number of men in society like what they done in the good old days. Best one I can think of? Men treat women like second class humans.

Like, for example, thinking that they’re superficial, driven by greed and emotion instead of actual reasons. No idea where I fuckin’ got that one, though.

Turns out that when someone’s a misogynist your feculent beliefs leak out of their every sentence. Like a rusting sewer line, the crumbling gaskets sealing together the shaky structure of their arguments sputter and spit their slime like swamp-gas burbling through filth. Creativity abandons them, and every conclusion follows the same corrosive path out to the choked river of the internet. It’s hard to miss.

I’m rambling. No fluttershy gifs on this one. Call me Scildfreja Ábolgen.

Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
Jesalin: Clit-o-centric Lesbian Goddess
2 years ago

Like…how can he not see the inherent hypocrisy here?

How the hell can others not?!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

I too would be interested to see a response to Scildfreja’s challenges.

But please don’t just link to ninety minute YouTube videos; and definitely not anything from Psychology Today.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’d also like to point out that the “western civilization” that reactionaries hold so dear is a capitalist one. Capitalism needs consumerism to thrive, especially as technology makes it so much easier to efficiently provide for our basic needs.

Social media and the way it’s used to encourage consumerism is a huge cog in the capitalist machine in the 21st century. Yet manospherians are so mad about women Instagram modeling or buying lots of shoes or liking to dine in restaurants.

To get angry at women for engaging in consumerism when it’s capitalism that encourages them to do so seems silly. At least if you’re pro-capitalism. It’s a rare manospherian who is a socialist, after all.

So that’s another question for our Roosh defender. How do you propose to have a capitalist society that is non-consumerist? Or at least non-consumerist for women. God forbid anyone criticize men for spending tons of money on video games, nice cars or PUA seminars and bang books.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

How do you propose to have a capitalist society that is non-consumerist? Or at least non-consumerist for women.

That’s an easy one. You forbid all women from being able to earn money or have private funds/property. And of course remove all forms of social assistance and anything else that might give a woman any form of independence provide funds that women will be able to fritter away on degenerate things like makeup. If a woman wants to be able to eat, she’ll have to pledge herself to and put herself entirely at the mercy of a dude. That’ll enforce some proper monogamy (for women, at least).

Of course, the manospherians still won’t be happy because they’ll have to pay to support their sex slaves wives. They won’t be happy until their ageless virginal sex-providers are able to live solely on air (but are still completely and utterly devoted to the manospherian for no reason that requires any effort on his part). But that will remove the problem of vile consumerist women.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Sure, but how does removing half the population from economic activity help preserve capitalism?

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

Well, granted, it sure won’t be GOOD capitalism (as much as capitalism can be good), but the dudes will still participate, so it’ll limp along.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m not so sure it would. The idealized 1950’s housewife lifestyle was just as consumerist as consumer culture is now. It’s just that instead of botox and waist trainers, it was household appliances and cleaning products. Girdles and hair curlers. Which goes back to your point about how they want some sort of combination of June Cleaver and Michelle Duggar but with Barbie doll looks, but they don’t want to financially provide for that. I just don’t think they comprehend how much money, capitalism, consumerism is involved in the perfect housewife + male head of household industrial and post-industrial lifestyle. You can’t abundant high status lifestyles for men without women participating in the economy in some capacity. Whether that’s working out of the house, earning our paychecks and spending them freely or whether that’s spending money on keeping the house and kids perfect while not “letting ourselves go.”

The MRA/MGTOW/PUA/incel models of a fantasy world are just never remotely feasible and practical.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

@wwth
Just something I thought you may like. I’m looking after me mum’s dog, and apparently she likes your posts.

comment image

Oh noes I’m indoctrinating me mum’s pet dog with the matriarchy.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Love it! Welcome to the feminist cabal, doggie!

My cat is less approving of WHTM. Probably because he’s a male

https://twitter.com/weirwoodtreehug/status/596862727731027968

ETA: I only meant to share the one of the gray tabby. I guess my misandrist female kitty had to horn in.

Bina
2 years ago

“All That’s Left For Normal Men Are Rotten Women,”

(points and laughs)

Fancy Roosh thinking he’s normal. Normal men WASH THEIR BUTTS WITHOUT WHINING ABOUT HAVING TO DO IT, ROOSH!