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Incels embrace Jordan Peterson after he calls for “enforced monogamy”

Jordan Peterson unleashes his inner incel

By David Futrelle

The “involuntary celibates” who congregate on the Incels.me forum have previously celebrated such lovely fellows as Toronto van killer Alek Minassian, a self-described incel who murdered ten pedestrians in a symbolic attack against sex-having “Chads and Stacies,” and Elliot Rodger, the incel “saint” whose 2014 murder spree in Isla Vista California helped to inspire Minassian’s rampage.

Now the incels — or at least a portion of them — have a new hero: Canadian self-help guru and angry fussbudget Jordan Peterson,

On Friday. you may recall, the New York Times ran a highly critical profile of Peterson in which the Jung-quoting lobster-hierarchy fetishist offered some thoughts on how to stop young men from taking up guns and vans and massacring as many people as they can. In one of his chats with the Times’ Nellie Bowles — conducted after the Toronto attacks but before Friday’s shooting in Santa Fe — Peterson suggested that the real solution to incel violence is “enforced monogamy.”

Here’s how Bowles described their discussion:

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

“He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end.

“Half the men fail,” he says, meaning that they don’t procreate. “And no one cares about the men who fail.”

I laugh, because it is absurd.

“You’re laughing about them,” he says, giving me a disappointed look. “That’s because you’re female.”

This is the sort of nonsense you might expect in an incel forum, or from some similarly reactionary manosphere hangout. And so it’s hardly a surprise to see many on Incels.me hailing Peterson as a new incel idol. The only real question is what took them so long?

In a post yesterday, one prolific Incels.me commenter brought Peterson’s interview to the attention of his fellow forum regulars, asking “Is Jordan Peterson, our guy?”

More than a few commenters responded with an enthusiastic “yes!”

“What he is saying is exactly what I have always been saying,” declared someone calling himself SaintMarcLepine, the moniker a dark tribute to the Canadian misogynist who murdered 14 women at Montreal’s École Polytechnique in 1989.

RageAgainstTDL was even more enthusiastic:

This is absolutely brilliant. He is forcing mainstream writers and the public to confront the idea of monogamy and explain why feminism has destroyed it for their own chad-hungry desires.

Peterson is contrarian by nature too. He thrives on disagreement. So he won’t let this go. The more feminists argue they have a right to only fuck Chads, the more he will highlight how damaging this is to society.

The tide is turning.

A wannabe philosopher calling himself TheWitchKing pounded out a thousand-word treatise which could be summarized as “lol, Peterson is triggering the femoids.” Here are a few snippets; I’ve removed, among other things, the author’s extended musings on Peterson’s similarity to Loki, the Norse trickster god.

I usually have little use for Peterson or his philosophy, but I can’t help but admire anyone capable of provocation of this magnitude.  … Peterson is striking at one of the most precious values of the modern West: the agency of women when it comes to the matter of sexual selection and reproduction.

With this act Peterson has crossed a kind of threshold … The idea of compulsory monogamy is not some idea that will merely inspire outrage among radical feminists and the members of academia surveying the world from the dizzying heights of their ivory towers. Rather, the idea of enforced monogamy is the stuff of nightmares of every modern daughter of the West. …

Informed by the Enlightenment values that championed the freedom of the individual, the sexual revolution was kind of a dawn for women. What Peterson is suggesting would be tantamount to murdering the light of that new day and plunging women back into the prolonged nightmare they believed that had finally escaped. …

Sadly or happily, depending upon your perspective, the amusement to be had at all of the outraged shrieking is the only good thing that’ll come from Peterson’s scandalous idea.

Mikepence made essentially the same point in a few short sentences:

He really got them riled up with this. Femoids cringe at the thought of being within 10 feet of an ugly guy, she can’t imagine actually being in a relationship with one

It’s almost as though incels are less interested in dating and/or marrying women than they are in terrifying them and/or making them miserable.

Animeincel was equally smitten with Peterson:

Yes he is on our side, and his very very smart. He is just not as aggressive yet cause he know media will slaughter him then. He understands the incel problem 100% and I love him.

Like Animeincel, Weed is convinced that Peterson is an incel ally who can’t quite say that outright just yet:

I think Peterson tries to appear as neutral as possible but deep down he is on our side.

nklfdnblidnfbli wondered if Peterson was directly cribbing from him.

i mentioned enforced monogamy in the incelcast, maybe peterson listened to that and got the idea from me? mainly we need it because almost all girls want only chad and chad is polygynous.

While Peterson was a bit vague as to what he meant by “enforced monogamy,” nklfdnblidnfbli was happy to spell out what he himself meant by the term.

 here’s how i think it should work
– people can opt in or opt out of enforced monogamy
– if they opt in they pay lower taxes and get free basic income from the govt
– marriage laws must first be overhauled so that men aren’t disadvantaged and family courts are fair
– in enforced monogamy people must be married to have sex, and if you get divorced you have to go through a 6 month waiting period where you are not allowed to have sex, this is to discourage people from getting married and then divorced for every hookup

Huh. That seems a bit, er, elaborate, but I guess it might increase the odds that dudes who hate women and love murderers will eventually have sex.

All this said. there were more than a few in the thread who weren’t quite so excited about Peterson’s incel turn. Some were turned off by Peterson’s paeans to self-improvement — incels dislike being ordered to clean up their rooms, Peterson-style, nearly as much as they hate being told they need a shower.

Others thought Peterson was little more than “controlled opposition,” blaming his recent rise to fame on the machinations of, you guessed it, the (((Jews))). (Of course Peterson isn’t Jewish, and while he’s not a Christian either, he’s a big Jesus fan whose beliefs have been described as similar to Kierkegaard’s “Christian existrntialism.”)

“Peterson is a gatekeeper attempting to keep men from turning to far rightwing ideologies to correct their problems,” declared WarriorSkull.

He does warn women that he constantly sees career women … end up in their 30’s desperate for children and unable to secure a man for obvious reasons. This isn’t sufficient to make much of a dent in the direction our culture has and will continue to head, but the jews will continue promoting him as a “safe” alternative to rabid leftism.

ElliotRodgerHere put it more bluntly:

Jordan peterson is a f*ggot judeophile. fuck him, he is popular among the MGTOW cucks

In a later comment he added that Peterson “has a horribly ugly jewish wife.”

Starystulejarz compared Peterson to other alleged tools-of-the-Jews like Alex Jones and … Richard Spencer?!?

he is (((((controlled opposition))))) like alex jones, mark dice, trump, lauren southern, richard spencer, they will tell you 15-50% truths and rest is misinformation to brainwash you and keep you in state which jews want you to be (not to wake up and swallow blackpill fully)

Apparently this sort of conspiracy theorizing is contagious, as I can’t help but wonder myself if this little chorus of anti-Semites, all of them relatively new members on Incels.me, are part of an alt-right recruitment squad deliberately targeting angry, troubled men.

Another new recruit, a fellow calling himself rabbiter, kicked back hard at the notion that Peterson was “controlled” anything.

People like Jordan Peterson have helped a lot in moving the Overton Window in the last 3 years or so. We need more people like him. Anyone who criticizes him as “controlled opposition” needs to be sent to a North Korean Gulag.

Unfortunately, I think rabbiter is right that Peterson is nudging the Overton Window rightward — and bringing some of the worst ideas that have been floating around in the manosphere into the mainstream. “Enforced monogamy” is probably not the last terrible incel idea Peterson will bring to his growing audience in the next few months and years as he continues to explore his own inner incel.

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Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

@Catalpa

I still feel like calling monogamy “regulation of female reproduction” is inaccurate. It’s not like polygyny didn’t also treat women like objects to be controlled impose regulation on how women reproduced.

It’s more accurate to say that patriarchy is about ‘regulation of female reproduction’. As Moon Custafer’s comment alluded to, in societies where kinship/inheritance (social and physical) are determined by one’s mother instead of one’s father, there’s far less (ranging to none) emphasis on monogamy or female chastity/virginity.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

I must say, I am shocked, shocked to hear that “regulating female reproduction” is all about maintaining male supremacy and not about protecting babies at all!

Really, I feel like Peterson et al are really missing the mark on this thing. If the solution to men being violent is men getting sex, then monogamy is clearly the sub-optimal solution. No, no. What we need is polyandry.

With polyandry, all the woes of men will disappear! Just like how women in our polygynous society nowadays never, ever have difficulties finding a sex partner, in a polyandrous society, the opposite will be the case. Alpha Females will of course gather harems of desirable males, leaving the lesser Beta Females to compete for the leftovers, and due to scarcity, all men will be much more highly valued, and there will only be female incels remaining. It’s a great system, really, and it’s only fair that men finally get to experience the wonders of it, after being so long deprived.

Socially enforced polyandry, that’s the solution. /sarcasm

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

It’s been a truism among anthropologists and biologically-oriented psychologists for decades that all human societies face two primary tasks:

Feeding everyone and sheltering everyone. Everything else has been a rounding error in terms of labor and material inputs, at least until the advent of serious mechanization.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
2 years ago

@kupo, I read that via Twitter this morning and holy hell. One of things that really stood out was this:

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I’m sure that his fans will just interpret this as his “rugged individualism” & further proof that he’s too special for this world, but seriously, who the fuck does he think he is?

Also on Twitter today: someone whose handle is Rational Male referred to JBP as “Father Peterson”. Laugh? Cry? Yell?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Rational Male is an aging PUA who is for middle aged men marrying teenage brides from developing nations. I can’t remember if he’s done this himself or if he just encourages his followers to so. He thinks feminism has gone too far because we want to criminalize transactional sex. Transactional sex is code for workplace sexual harassment and other forms of sex that men in positions of power coerce from women.

In other words, it is no shock that he is a raging fanboy of Jeepers Creepers.*

* If we’re going to call him “Jeep” then I’m damn well going to add creep onto it.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Rational Male is an aging PUA who is for middle aged men marrying teenage brides from developing nations. I can’t remember if he’s done this himself or if he just encourages his followers to so. He thinks feminism has gone too far because we want to criminalize transactional sex. Transactional sex is code for workplace sexual harassment and other forms of sex that men in positions of power coerce from women.

In other words, it is no shock that he is a raging fanboy of Jeepers Creepers.*

* If we’re going to call him “Jeep” then I’m damn well going to add creep onto it.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
2 years ago

@wwth

Huh – that makes sense (re Rational Male).

“Father Peterson” also made my brain think of that ridiculous song “Father Abraham”:

Father Peterson
Had many sons
Many sons had Father Peterson

Someone referred to JBP as “Jordles” the other day and it amuses me greatly so that’s what I’m going to use.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Mish

Also on Twitter today: someone whose handle is Rational Male referred to JBP as “Father Peterson”. Laugh? Cry? Yell?

An Elon Musk fan harassing a woman for complaining that Elon Musk fans are harassing her referred to him as “Lord Musk” yesterday. So that was something.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I do love how these reactionary dudes who think they’re so independent and rational – unlike we hiveminded enslaved to the Deep State SJWs – are now just openly worshipping their leaders. Father Peterson, Lord Musk, cosplaying Trump’s golf outfit, next up Trump will insist on erecting dictator style statues of himself in public squares and these dudes will flock to them.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

Notice how they’re always trying tobhang leaders on us too; “The protests are all organised by Soros”, “You just worship Hillary”, “Blah blah blah Alinsky” etc.

Allandrel
Allandrel
2 years ago

Glad to see that Phil got banned so quickly. As a creative, autistic man with anxiety, who fears people in general, has never had a romantic relationship and did not lose my virginity until I was 38, it REALLY pisses me off to see incels try to pin their bullshit on any of the things that I have in common with them.

Also thanks to those calling Autism Speaks out. Those assholes don’t want to help us, they want to “cure” us.

And what the hell is a “psuedo sex drive,” anyway? Is it just manspeak for where women’s words and behavior look exactly like a sex drive comes up against the Evopsych TRUFAX that women can’t have a sex drive?

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

next up Trump will insist on erecting dictator style statues of himself in public squares and these dudes will flock to them.

I hope that when this happens (because *of course* it will, he’s already throwing himself a parade), people erect statues all around it with all of his various ridiculous facial expressions.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
2 years ago

When the Russian in the room understands modern English terms better than you, stop digging.

I know you probably mean this like affectionately but it feels weird. I’m not Russian I’m from Ukraine. secondly, my grammar is not so good on English but I only come in English spaces because I feel confident I know the words and I learn more every day, espciallially about social justice. lots of Ukrainians and Russians in English spaces know English much better than me, it is quite usual and should not feel surprising when they know.

Benjamin Price
Benjamin Price
2 years ago

Enforced Monogamy is term from socially, it refers to cultural enforcement of monogamy not any sort of law or assignment of mates. It has been observed that societies in which monogamy is not enforced by culture become very violent.

Jay
Jay
1 year ago

Peterson is such a douche. He’s an obvious huckster and bullshit artist. There’s even some guts within the manosphere who don’t care for him.

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