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By David Futrelle
Help, help! The incels are being oppressed (again). Let us look into the Braincels subreddit to see exactly how:
Here’s the text for old people like me who don’t like squinting at screenshots:
Attractive men are the WOMEN of the male gender (self.Braincels)
submitted 1 day ago by Throwaway1337145317 Blackpill Diplomat
Ugly men are held to a higher standard and increased level of accountability. People are more callous towards them and don’t go out of their way to do them any favours. They go through life devoid of any social luxury, an ugly man must earn respect in every sphere. It will never be given without effort on his part. He must go to even greater lengths to secure a partner (it’s possible just unreasonably steep) while attractive men are basically handed it. Correspondingly people are instinctively kinder and more affable to good-looking men, merely for existing. They may [have?] it harder than women, but we exist in an entirely different dimension.
If you’re proud of being a man, you can wear this as a badge of honour. You are the true men, especially if the weight of the world hasn’t broken your back.
So here our incel friend has taken a nugget of truth and covered it in a big pile of bullshit. It’s true that in many ways conventionally attractive people have it easier. A piece in The Cut sums up some of the advantages hotties have:
Harvard economist Markus Mobius and Wesleyan University economist Tanya Rosenblat published the seminal paper “Why Beauty Matters” in 1994. They found that in three different samples of workers, more attractive people consistently earned 12 to 14 percent more than unattractive people — regardless of gender — with evidence that the “labor market sorts the best-looking people into occupations where their looks are productive.” To that end, a 2012 paper found that comely real estate brokers outperformed homely colleagues. More uncomfortably, first- and sixth-graders think attractive teachers are kinder and happier, and college students thought that attractive professors were clearer, more helpful, and of higher overall quality.
Hotties tend to be happier as well, but the reason for this happiness varies by gender. Hot dudes are happier because, as hot dudes, they tend to earn more; hot women are happier because, well, they’re hot.
And while being hot can help you get dates — yes, incels, it’s true — being intimidatingly hot can make it harder because your insanely good looks may, well, intimidate potential dates, according to an OK Cupid study.
The trouble comes when you take these truths and stick them in an incel’s brain they come out thinking that only men suffer from being ugly and that basically all women go through life on easy mode.
And of course virtually all incels are convinced all of their own problems stem from the alleged facts that they’re hideously ugly and that women only want Chads. (Never mind that most of the time I’ve seen incels post pics of themselves they look … basically average and that the Chad thing is as ridiculous as the name Chad.)
When a couple of non-incels challenged Mr. Throwaway1337145317, he quickly defeated them (in his mind at least) with a one-two punch of ass-facts and ass-logic.
Here’s the text:
alfons100 4 points 1 day ago
what
Throwaway1337145317 Blackpill Diplomat[S] 9 points 1 day agoIt’s a commonly accepted position that women are treated more leniently than men by society at large. I’m extrapolating that to include the different types of men that exist. Ugly men are treated even more harshly and with less tact than their attractive counterparts.
[–]saltpsychology -2 points 1 day ago
What do you think the implications of this are for ugly women?
[–]Throwaway1337145317 Blackpill Diplomat [S] 5 points 1 day ago
Slightly harsher treatment than their average-looking counterparts, but overall protected by the overarching “woman’s code”. The mere fact that women can complain and be listened to in earnest is such an amazing privilege. I can’t complain because this is a prison we men have built for ourselves. Hopefully we eventually get around to it’s demolition.
The notion that women who are considered ugly don’t really have it that bad is basically incel dogma. Here’s another incel mansplaining this “fact” to a self-described ugly incel … woman in a different Braincels thread:
And the text:
Toolman890 11 points 2 months ago
yes ugly and fat women not only get relationships far easier than average to ugly men, but they also reap the benefits of being a female in the relationship, unlike men. in fact it is so easy that now even the average woman is fat because they don’t have to stay in shape anymore. they get everything without effort so we now see a trend of so many young women looking out of shape to chubby to outright fat.
This is the sort of thing that incels talk about when they’re not yelling about “roasties” and “cucks” and “femoid whores” or building little shrines to Elliot Rodger.
At 17 minute mark he talks about incel. At 16 minute mark he leads up to it. He says most Asian guys in the US are incel. He says they are “naturally incel” and part of it has to do with how Asians are portrayed in tv shows and films. The interviewer says the trajectory is PUA to Mgtow to Incel.
@Moggie
And then the show would get sued by the incels for copyright infringement.
idli – You might want to check out how Asian Americans are typically shown in media. Often they are portrayed as asexual, so not a threat to main male character.
So, unless most asian men in the states say they are incel, I would say they are not. Since ‘incel’ is not a status of a person (having sex/not having sex but wanting to) but rather a group that one needs to actually opt in to.
Not listening to the video (at work) just going off of what you said about it.
The point of linking a video calling most Asian men incels is what now?
A way to make it through moderation, I suspect.
WWTH: you know.
@idli
As someone who’s Asian. How about no asshole?
I swear to Sif, next time anyone makes the suggestion that Incels are just dudes-who-aren’t-having-sex-but-would-like-to, I’m gonna have a stroke.
^^^
Me too.
There seems to be two popular uses of incel; one as an adjective and another as a noun. The man in the video is using it as an adjective.
@idli
The part of speech is not what Oogly is objecting to. It’s the way you are associating most Asians with a hate group. Stop.
Better they didn’t. Misogynoir is used in African American culture to mean “black misogyny”.
We all know how whites loves to appropriate cultures of color but they need to research more before they do so. “Woke”, “Based”, etc are all used by white nationalists and the alt right (in addition to everyone else) as if they created those terms. And they think they did, just go on any of their forums and ask them what those terms mean and from where they originated and see the answers you get.
That piece about the “sexual revolution”.
Gag. Where did that tired trope about womens’ sexuality being “more fluid” than men’s originate from? I seem to recall it becoming popular around the time men started asking women to kiss other women in front of them because “so hawt”.
Lisa I get your point. The Sexual Revolution in tandem with the Womens’ Liberation Movement, made strides for womens’ sexual freedoms. But only in tandem with the WLM. There were also “advances” in sexual freedom (for men) that did not equate to freedom for women or anyone else. So the guy who wrote that piece is bemoaning that women are not “free” now to have sex with any guy who wants it from them. They are actually setting boundaries and saying no, whereas in his mind, back during the Sex Rev days, they would’ve been freer and less prudish or less hung up on choice or their own preferences. The atmosphere of the free love Sex Rev 70s would’ve acted as a sort of pressure for them to prove that they were “liberated” and incels would have benefitted. So now that they really DO have freedom to choose, and they are not choosing incels (or maybe the author of the piece), well that doesn’t bode well.
So to this guy sexual liberation is fine as long as it means women have to be “liberated” from their own partner preferences.
The part about the Sex Rev and pedophilia, yeah that was there. And guess who pushed that? MEN.
ildi
why you never reply to people who call out your problematic stuff? Alan made a very good reply to you about Everest. Kupo and Rhuu both made good points, and oogly too about your racism. and of course, Scild! all you do is ignore things you can’t answer and make long posts that are strange and irrelevant and often problematic in lots of ways. but you don’t adress when people call you out. if it is not troll behaviour – certainly it is quite ignorant.
@ idli
No it isn’t. It’s a term used by womanists et al to describe the double whammy of misogyny + racism endured by black women. Nothing to do with misogyny coming from the black community at all. I’m the whitiest white boy what ever whited, and even I know that.
Make an obvious pun, get ‘splained. By someone who, just a few days ago, was using a slur to describe black people. And who, when confronted about the use of that slur and the terrible victim-burdening idea that went along with it, ignored any and all responses.
By someone who dropped a video into a conversation to clarify something they said instead of actually, you know, clarifying – and then getting angry and re-posting the link when we said we didn’t want to wade through a video to get a point that should be no more than a sentence or two.
By someone who was on moderation a few days ago for dropping horrible grossout-bombs into conversations about terrible misogynists, all of them some variety of Hindu. I specifically responded by saying “hey, talk with us and not at us,” and got the response of “Sorry, I’m too busy to listen to you.”
Yeah, I suppose that’s par for the course.
Oh, I see the “idli Explains It All (Badly)” show is on again.
What does “braincel” actually mean? Is it supposed to indicate that the person is too smart to get laid? Not smart enough? Are they actual zombies with no brains at all? @.@ The things that these guys come up with…
I’ve been wondering that myself.
I think it means too smart. Because nerdiness and intelligence gets inflated. Especially by them. Okay, a lot nerds are smart. But that doesn’t mean everyone who is socially awkward and likes geeky stuff is a brainiac and it doesn’t mean everyone who is conventionally attractive or athletic is stupid. But, popular culture likes to tell us that nerdy = smart and pretty = dumb. We all know that the manosphere gets most of its information about how the world works from sitcoms and teen movies.
Side note: I’ve noticed that a lot of aggrieved white male nerdy types are soooo offended by The Big Bang Theory for not representing nerds properly. Yet, those same guys always think the world works like BBT. That is the nerdy = smart/right about everything and pretty = stupid trope is absolutely accurate and misogynistic entitlement to women’s bodies is cute and non-threatening as long as it’s a nerd engaging in the behavior. Also, BBT has a lot of bad evo-psych in it.
Oops. I meant conflated. Not inflated. Guess I’m not pretty or smart!
The world needs inflatable nerds.
I agree. The blow up dolls will probably pick the inflatable nerd men over incels. That would be funny.
So that’s a really gross way of putting that. In a number of ways. But, like, look at it on its own terms. Attractive men are ‘handed’ sex. Presumably freely and by choice. K. So, what’s an incel to do then? Go to greater lengths apparently. You ain’t slick muffuga, we see you…
An incel mansplaning… absurd and partial. Honestly, I was enjoying your clever analysis of the incel world until that part where I saw you suffer a turned lighter version of what you criticize here. I am done here.
“And while being hot can help you get dates — yes, incels, it’s true — being intimidatingly hot can make it harder because your insanely good looks may, well, intimidate potential dates, according to an OK Cupid study.”
In my sister’s high school class, a classic beauty with the comic book pretty-girl name of Sally Lockheart, didn’t go to prom because all the boys were afraid to ask her to go, sure that some guy had already locked her up.