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On Gab, some are blaming yesterday’s school shooting — by a possible white supremacist — on the Jews

The accused shooter in a school yearbook picture

By David Futrelle

On Gab — the “free speech” social media site that has become something of a haven for the internet’s worst people — some of the regulars have come up with a rather inventive explanation for the Parkland, Florida school shooting yesterday that left 17 dead. It’s all the fault of the Jews.

Never mind that an explicitly fascist group claims the accused shooter, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, as a member, and says he participated in their paramilitary training exercises. As some of the best minds on Gab see it, Cruz is actually the puppet of a vast Jewish conspiracy — and probably a Jew himself.

Their evidence? The fact that Cruz is such a well-known Jewish surname.

Wait, what?

baeumler @baeumler PRO an hour Was the Florida Shooter Jewish? That appears to be the case. As his last name--from adopted family--is Cruz, which is a Jewish surname. Add in his middle name, Jacob, which is definitely Jewish and it looks like Nicholas Jacob Cruz is a Jew and not a white boy. Jacob is a popular Jewish name, since he was a patriarch.

While Cruz isn’t probably the first surname one thinks of when one thinks about Jewish surnames, there were some Spanish Jews who adopted the name to hide their Jewishness from the authorities … during the Spanish Inquisition. 500 years ago.

That of course isn’t proof that Cruz himself was Jewish.

Also, he was adopted.

But more than a few on Gab have something of a vested interest in trying to blame yesterday’s horrific carnage on a Jew or the Jews.  See if you can figure out what the hidden agenda is as you scroll through these lightly censored comments from a fellow who calls himself DrGasChamber.

 Dindu Nuffin @DrGasChamber 3 hours · in Florida School Shooting And schlomo news says... it's a white working with us far right evil nazi racist bigots! Oy Vey! This kike fake shooter isn't white and the jews need gas!

Dindu Nuffin @DrGasChamber 4 hours · in Florida School Shooting It's most likely another false flag using a jew that looks white and a fake name cruz... it's an attack on our liberty and freedom on #2a and bring more whites to cuck shsme and turn in guns to the kike patrol

Dindu Nuffin @DrGasChamber 7 hours · in BritFam For sure... and kikeservatives will go along with jew propaganda and not research cruz is a converted jew name most likely very common and the only people kikes fear are white.. so lets put more white shame on to all and take these guns away.. but most likely this mossad agent was armed by atf fbi or cia

A Gabber called stevec, meanwhile, isn’t completely sure there even was a shooting yesterday. But whatever happened, he’s pretty sure Jews are to blame.

 stevec @steve45 18 hours · in Valentine’s Day 2018 Valentine's Day Massacre in Parkland. Shooter is a Jew, Local Sheriff is a Jew, Local FBI agent in Charge is a Jew, near Boca Ratan, aka Jew central. I smell a FBI/Mossad black op. Did people really die, or was this just another drill, hoax false flag. Kid's shrink was probably his doper and handler. Jews always get 'even' on days of Christian Celebration.

 stevec @steve45 4 hours · in Florida School Shooting If someone was killed, which I highly doubt given all the fake wounds we saw being carried out, like a drill, this autistic Jew, Nick Cruz, did not do it, but pro shooters were used. Probably contract killers. The CIA/FBI use Mossad hit men often or Mafia (Mossad in drag). Filthy dirty local Jewish FBI 'agent in charge' either as fail or active participant in ff.

stevec @steve45 2 hours · in Florida School Shooting · edited lots of jewish victims start to emerge like jewish crisis actors, jewish fbi agents, jewish, sheriff, jewish mayor. jewish hero football coach. i sense a pattern here at at last. this is another darn holohoax.

stevec @steve45 3 hours · in Florida School Shooting Gab is full of so many unread people, why bother. Cruz is a name often taken by Sephardic Jews after they converted or faked conversion to Christianity. His features are typical of a Sephardic Jew. Quit blaming Hispanics.

One commenter, the not-so-accurately named @NameTheJew, even made a little meme.

And no, there is no evidence that Elliot Rodger — that’s him on the left — was Jewish either.

Needless to say, not everyone on Gab blames the Jews for whatever they think happened in Parkland Florida yesterday. A fellow called Pho Chan, for example, had a rather different take on the Jewish Question.

Pho Chan @phochanpol 2 hours · in Florida School Shooting Seeing the names of the victims, a lot of them echoes, and look very jewy, not sure if any of them was a real white (swimmer guy probably), there were also lot of spics, also one mud & one chink. Considering kikes are only 2% in USA, and more than one of them are definite jews, and nearly half of the killed definite breeding age non-whites, this spic shooter did well.

Lovely.

For more on Nikolas Cruz, a possible incel who has been hailed by incels online as an Elliot Rodger style hero, see my post yesterday.

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PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

I just worry sometimes that I’m upsetting others by being so quick to push back.

Absolutely not.

Seconding Hippodameia

Kitteh to make up for double post
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Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

You know what? To hell with dogpiling accusations I’m seconding everyone else when it comes to mrex.

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
Never apologize for standing up.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
2 years ago

Mrex is a bully and needs to go away.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

@David Futrelle
Thank you very much David.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
2 years ago

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
2 years ago

Thank you, David.

Sincerely.

I really hope for your continued recovery, and just to let you know a little bit of trivial information, when I joined Twitter, you were the first person I followed. (Take that as you will, lol)

WWTH,

You’re a bright spot and I appreciate you. I actually appreciate most everybody, here.

Seconding OoglyBoggles, re: standing up.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

Thank you, David.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
2 years ago

thanks David, now people will feel more comfortable to post again, I hope.

Jesalin
Jesalin
2 years ago

WWTH,

You’re a bright spot and I appreciate you. I actually appreciate most everybody, here.

Seconding OoglyBoggles, re: standing up.

Seconding PeeVee, and thirdening Oogly!

The Adjunct
The Adjunct
2 years ago

Thank you David. I haven’t been reading here or felt like posting for months because of mrex pissing all over the walls.

I’m glad you’re feeling better 😊

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Well, hopefully things will be more peaceful here now.

Thanks, David and thanks all for being so nice to me.

Here are some kitty hugs

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Tashi Licious
2 years ago

Awesome. Now some posters will come back to post.

There are several people I know who literally refused to come here while mrex was around.

Hambeast
Hambeast
2 years ago

Two things:

1. All the upvotes for the “Fuck You, I Like Guns” article PeeVee linked. As a veteran, I completely agree; automatic weapons are for the battlefield, not the neighborhood. And for me, that includes civilian law enforcement.

2. I got a tattoo 8 days ago. Never thought to ask about my eczema and yesterday I started having a hella bad flare up that itches like, well, eczema. Now that I looked it up and know why, it’s calmed way down. Brains are weird (and apparently have a lot of influence on certain skin conditions.) Good news is that eczema doesn’t affect the look of the tat if you can keep from using too much cortisone cream.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
2 years ago

Thank you David. I haven’t been reading or commenting here for a while because I couldn’t deal with how the feel of the place had shifted.

Mrex, if you’re still reading… It would be nice if you took from this that one does not always have to be both right and more right than others. And if an argument has moved on, let it be that. Don’t bring it up again, especially in another thread where there is a chance for a fresh start.

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
2 years ago

Hambeast, what did you get a tat of? How fun!

Also, i just read this, and thought it would be useful, in light of the thread and what has been happening in the world:

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/20/life-short-people-hurting-dont-ahole/

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
2 years ago

Thank gracious that mrex has gone
With that in mind, let’s move on

Hambeast
Hambeast
2 years ago

PeeVee – My tattoo is of my two new cats in a yin/yang circle with their tails wrapped around each other; kind of a cartoony version. Their “rescue mom” the friend I got Catbeast from, too AND her mom got the same one cause they miss their boys so much.

The itchiness has subsided a lot, thank goodness!

Also, that last link was also really good!

Tovius
Tovius
2 years ago

In related news, apparently a gop doner in Florida has developed something superficially resembling a conscience and decide to stop donating until the gop supports an assault weapons ban

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/374393-top-gop-donor-i-will-not-write-another-check-until-candidates-support%3famp

We’ll see if that amounts to anything.

@Hambeast
That sounds adorable

GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina
2 years ago

I’ve enjoyed being a part of the Mammoth community 2014-2016, and being mostly a lurker here, but the mistreatment and banning of mrex — particularly after the attack on her as a child abuser by Troubelle and others — is just too much for me. There are a lot of good people here, but the atmosphere has just become too thought-controlly and hostile to people who don’t say things in quite the right way. Obviously, only a minority of mentally-ill people commit violent crimes, but if you can’t discuss the fact that untreated mental illness Can lead to violent behavior, than there’s no point in even talking abouit epiis9odes like Parkland. So goodbye, and I hope you all have a good life.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
2 years ago

Cool.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
2 years ago

“Don’t say things in quite the right way” is a pretty gentle description of a bully who’s been aiming her “targetless rage” at this community for months.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

mrex harmed users
and brought unneeded grief.
Good flipping riddance.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
2 years ago

Grumpy,

Mrex has not been mistreated.

Goodbye.

@Hambeast, that sounds absolutely precious, and a fitting memorial to your Hambeast!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

She’s admitted to being an asshole and admitted to liking to pick fights in the past. So, how are we the ones being bullies here?

And I’ve been reading the archives and just so happened to read some of the early threads she appeared in. She’s been shit stirring for three years and it took this long to ban her. So there’s that.

Whatever. People have been calling this community a meanie pants hivemind from the very start. I think the feelings of the people who are comfortable commenting here specifically because it’s one of the few places where abelism is not tolerated should be given more consideration than the people who are offended that they can’t call bad people crazy anyway. You can speculate about mass shooter’s mental health just about anywhere else on the internet. Why is it so very important to do it here?

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
2 years ago

@wwth

You can speculate about mass shooter’s mental health just about anywhere else on the internet. Why is it so very important to do it here?

Something something fuck your feelings, something something freeze peach, something something all sides, etc.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
2 years ago

but if you can’t discuss the fact that untreated mental illness Can lead to violent behavior,

and if you can’t understand there is time and place for such discussions, and harm it causes after situations like Parkland then you really don’t understand at all.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
2 years ago

I’m late to this party but, @WWTH

I think the feelings of the people who are comfortable commenting here specifically because it’s one of the few places where abelism is not tolerated should be given more consideration than the people who are offended that they can’t call bad people crazy anyway.

Thank you.

epitome of incomprehensibility

I don’t hate mrex, and I empathized when reading what she’s gone through. But I didn’t like her arguing for no good reason and ignoring the comment policy.

I can relate to the “stubbornness” aspect, since I still have anger problems and it’s a tough emotion to handle, but I’m trying actively to change my anger responses so I won’t hurt/annoy others. I’m not saying mrex isn’t doing that – hell, in general, she’s probably a better person than me – but the problem is what she was doing in this place. if I started repeatedly picking fights here, I’d be banned too, and justifiably.

<3 to everyone here. And seconding WWTH:

I think the feelings of the people who are comfortable commenting here specifically because it’s one of the few places where abelism is not tolerated should be given more consideration than the people who are offended that they can’t call bad people crazy anyway.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
2 years ago

@mrex & GOM

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Bye, Felicia.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
2 years ago

<3 WWTH for

I think the feelings of the people who are comfortable commenting here specifically because it’s one of the few places where abelism is not tolerated should be given more consideration than the people who are offended that they can’t call bad people crazy anyway.

We might not deserve you, but you are the hero we need.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Aw, shucks!

calmdown
calmdown
2 years ago

it’s one of the few places where abelism is not tolerated

WWTH is doing a great job with this here imo. I appreciate it.
The only problem is trying to explain why “crazy talk” is ableist ANYWHERE else in the world. (Or even what ableism is)

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
2 years ago

@Hambeast,

I meant Catbeast!

Apologies for that mistake! 😖

Shadowplay
2 years ago

WWTH is doing a great job with this here imo. I appreciate it.

^^^^^

Word.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
2 years ago

@epitome of incomprehensibility

I don’t hate mrex, and I empathized when reading what she’s gone through. But I didn’t like her arguing for no good reason and ignoring the comment policy.

Thanks for writing that. I felt similarly; and I really hated the accusations of parental abuse. But I think banning was the right call, all things considered.
Nthing the appreciation for WWTH’s comment 💜

@GrumpyOSJM,
I wish you well, and I hope you’ll pop back in at some point.

Who?
Who?
2 years ago

First of a big congratulation to the young people who protest against weapons. They made international news and the message that it can’t continue like this is the right one.

Second somethink about the mental ill discusion. Is somethink not right with this shooter and others. Probably. We could argue if we could call it mental disorder but to use that to discredit every person who is mentaly ill, is pure evil. I wouldn’t give certain mentaly ill persons a weapon, but in general I would be more afraid that they hurt themselve.

I know of some cases were people who did somethink so evil, that something must be wrong with them have been tryed by a criminal trial. Normally they are full responsible for what they are doing. (This is from german law and no courts don’t ignore everythink that speaks for the accussed here)

Nevertheless one reason in a german newspaper given by an expert for the question why german schools are safer than american school is that there is therapy for people who need help.

so yes there are 2 problem that are helpful to take care of:
1. Guns
2. more help for young people who have problems

but I don’t think Trump will do anythink about one of them.

(For another topic that would be interesting for David to tackle: Black Panther that one had some very interesting reaction from very stupid people, even if I learned recently that one of the movies that the alt-right really hate is Frozen)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

I’m really having to dig my nails into my palm to avoid breaching the comments policy here.

https://thinkprogress.org/the-new-smear-campaign-against-students-who-survived-the-parkland-massacre-b71c1e1d722c/

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@Alan

Read the link title and I’m not going there. Dodgy mood today anyways, and don’t want to tip it.

Hambeast
Hambeast
2 years ago

Shadowplay, I’m fortunate enough to not be in a place where that article would bother me (more than usual, anyway) and my takeaway was that the MRA is doomed. And they probably know it.

These kids are done with this; they’ve awakened to the fact that going to school should not be an act of courage. They won’t be the last. This group of high school students isn’t sitting back and taking the shit these shitty reich-wing pundits are flinging at them, either. I admire them greatly.

Or maybe I’m just in a hopeful mood today?

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Hambeast
Is that supposed to say NRA? Both can go, for all I’m concerned.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@Hambeast

Your words to gods ears.

And as for you being hopeful today – thank you. Needed that reminder of how awesome the students are. A little morale boost. 🙂

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Who?

I was going to link to this post anyway, but then I saw your comment and I think this whole post (not a long read) is the perfect answer

http://www.shakesville.com/2018/02/the-thing-about-mental-illness-and-mass.html

I’ll copy and paste the important parts.

There are so many problems with this position, not least of which is that the Parkland School shooter, Nikolas Cruz, had been in psychiatric treatment, which clearly did not prevent the shooting.

There is no mental illness that causes someone to pick up a gun and start murdering people, and only affects men.

To believe that the primary issue regarding mass shootings — and thus what should be the primary focus of any solution — is mental illness is to believe that there exists a mental illness that almost exclusively affects men.

There is not.

However, toxic masculinity is a thing we could talk about. And should.

The erasure of women is one of the most pernicious and enraging pieces of misogyny in any patriarchal space. But the erasure of women, specifically the erasure of mentally ill women, in this particular construct is comprehensively contemptible. Not only is it misogynist and disablist, in service to notions that abet gun violence, but women are routinely accused of being “crazy” in every conceivable way and for every conceivable reason in every other aspect of our lives.

We are “crazy,” we are “insane,” we are “hysterical,” we are “emotional,” we are “irrational,” we are every euphemism for mentally ill under the sun, we are “psycho bitches.”

But when it comes to mass shootings, suddenly women are so uniquely sane that our failure to have the mystery mental illness that causes “people” to pick up guns isn’t even remarkable.

We’re crazy when men need us to be crazy to avoid accountability and we’re sane as the day is long when we don’t want to talk about toxic masculinity or access to guns.

I am a woman with mental illness, and I flatly refuse to be disappeared in service to this narrative. I exist. And so do millions of other women with mental illness. If mental illness is the primary issue, then why is only men who are picking up guns?

Just stop.

That sums it up perfectly. Nobody who is eager to talk about the mental illness angle ever addresses why mass shootings are so uniquely male. They’re uniquely American because of the gun issue. But when women are just as likely, if not more so than men to have mental health problems, why aren’t women more represented among mass shooters? Or violent criminals in general?

Hopefully that’s the last that needs to be said about it. Because we’ve already covered it a lot.

Hambeast
Hambeast
2 years ago

Kupo – Yep, a typo, but I agree, it works either way.

Shadowplay – So many people here have done the same for me so many times, I’m glad to have been able to do that for someone else!

Who?
Who?
2 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee:

Interesting read, thanks.
Just to make myself clear: My point was more that people want to define what the shooter has(I would call it very low empaty towards others) as mental ilness.
To use that against the people who are mentally ill, is criminal.
It should have read as: Look more on the individuals and don’t catagorize evil people as mentaly ill to discredid mentaly ill people.
Also this is such a wide catagory that catagorising everyone the same way is completly wrong.

I will not cease the point that having someone to talk to, might have helped the guy and programs to help young people with problems are a good think.

I am sorry for any disconfort that my posting brought anyone and wished I had formulated it clearer.

Why so many criminals are male is a question that I can’t answer. If I have to guess I would blame how society tells boys to behave: “Be a man defend yourself” and other thinks.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
2 years ago

@Who,

Welcome! You seem now around here. We can be a bit spiky sometimes, but I think we’re a pretty good community. I hope you hang around a bit and listen.

I want to comment on a few little bits you mentioned in your last post. This one:

Why so many criminals are male is a question that I can’t answer. If I have to guess I would blame how society tells boys to behave: “Be a man defend yourself” and other thinks.

Your guess is a good one! Keep digging into that idea. This is a concept called toxic masculinity – the concept that there are parts of “traditional masculinity” which are violent, domineering, and rapacious. They’re considered healthy by traditional society – boys are supposed to taunt girls by pulling their hair, they’re expected to be angry when confronted, they’re excused when they react with violence. Boys will be boys.

That’s why almost all of these mass-murderers are male, and why almost all of them have a history of being domestic abusers. Because we as a society teach boys that they’re entitled to what they want, and that it’s allowable for them to get angry and violent if they don’t get what they feel they’re entitled to.

When you reply, do keep in mind that this is a community of people who are (largely) the targets of these people. That’s why we can be a bit spiky.

Who?
Who?
2 years ago

Scildfreja Unnyðnes:

Thanks for the welcome.
And I tried to make it clear that I don’t want to hurt anyone here.
I can be ignorant and as everyone learned in the tread have a talent to say thinks that come out totally wrong.

I was aware that men are resposible for a big majority of violent crimes, exspecially young men. The why is like I wrote somethink I have only theories.

Just 2 questions come to mind:
First what factors make those men/boys go the violent way. There must be other factors than society to make some people very open for toxic masculinity and others not so much?
Second can society do somethink to stop young people from going that way?

This is not an attempt to stop everythink else going on.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
2 years ago

Just 2 questions come to mind:
First what factors make those men/boys go the violent way. There must be other factors than society to make some people very open for toxic masculinity and others not so much?

Some parents lay on the toxic masculinity thicker than others. I think that’s all there is to it, really. Some parents teach with mixed messages, some just pour on the macho sauce.

Second can society do somethink to stop young people from going that way?

Stop teaching their children that it’s acceptable for boys to be violent, stop teaching them that they’re entitled to success (in work, with relationships, in sex, etc). Teach them compassion, teach them that emotions aren’t bad or wrong.

More directly, we can stop accepting rapists as “boys being boys”, can stop ignoring domestic abuse, can start treating harassment seriously. Among other things.

This is a generational, society-level problem. Real solutions will take a long time and a lot of effort. The current efforts started like a century ago, and are still pushing against the same garbage. Exhausting. But worth it!

occasional reader
occasional reader
2 years ago

Hello.

Speaking of conspiracionists, it seems that the alt-rigth and them are bombing David Hogg, one of the survivors, because he speaks against the current weapon laws.
Memse, fake news and ludicrous theories, some repeated by famous (wrong) people, like Donald Trump Jr. (surprise ! No).

Have a nice day.