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Fake sci-fi boys cry salty tears over Puppies defeat at the Hugo Awards

N.K. Jemisin: Winner
N.K. Jemisin: Winner

So the Hugo awards happened. And last night was a pretty decisive defeat for the would-be awardwreckers behind the Sad and Rabid Puppies’ slates, and for Rabid Puppies ringmaster Theodore “Vox Day” Beale in particular: not only did his slate fail to crack the awards (aside from two nominees who didn’t need his help to win), but he also saw his longtime nemesis N.K. Jemisin take the top award for her novel The Fifth Season.

Teddy Baby is trying his best to spin the defeat as a victory (“we have the SF-SJWs exactly where we want them at this point in time”) but even the fake sci-fi boys on Reddit’s gamergate hangout KotakuInAction can see what happened. And they are indeed sad little puppies about it.

Here are some of their highly edifying reactions:

YESmovementLaci Green raped me. 5 points 12 hours ago  So was NK Jemisin the best author this year or are they doing exactly what they're shitting on the Puppies for doing? permalinkembedsavereportreply [–]BulbasaurusThe7th 9 points 10 hours ago  No, she is the best black woman of the year. That is what matters. permalinkembedsaveparentreportreply [–]alexdrac 4 points 8 hours ago  Black woman writes about "climate change". What more could they want ? I stopped caring what other people think of sci-fi writers when i gave Ursula le Guan (?) a try. The internet was all "omg, such great sci-fi. and from a woman, no less". Well, i couldn't be bothered to finish the book, because it was painfully obvious that it was a book written by a woman for women. The main character (a guy) was going through all kinds of shit, but it seemed his only concern was with the feelings of someone or another. 90% of his inner dialogue was what women think men should be thinking about more.

(I had to cross out YESmovement’s Reddit flair because it was a rape joke.)

And then there was this ever-so-slightly ironic comment.

GG_Number_9 12 points 11 hours ago*  I don't think they realize, that by awarding Hugos based on sex and skin color, and not if the author can actually write a coherent sentence. They are basically telling SF fans to avoid books that get a Hugo award. I read somewhere that the average SF reader is getting older and older, because they have trouble attracting new readers. As a kid I read authors like Asimov and Herbert, but I have to wonder if books about Captain Homo's gay adventures on planet Diversity, is something that attracts all that many new readers.

Hey, speak for yourself, dude. The only science fiction, er, books I’ve read in ages have been Chuck Tingle’s Pounded By The Pound: Turned Gay By The Socioeconomic Implications Of Britain Leaving The European Union and My Billionaire Triceratops Craves Gay Ass.

But I do like the irony inherent in lambasting unnamed authors for not being able to “write a coherent sentence” in a group of words that is not actually a sentence.

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(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
5 years ago

gators and puppies

Ugh! These shitheads NEED to stop appropriating the names of cute, cool and interesting animals, like yesterday! Especially “puppies”…such an insult to actual puppies!

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@Violet
Cool! IMO, it’s not as good as Daredevil season 1 (or even the 1st half of season 2), but it’s plenty worth a watch. To be real, I didn’t actually like it. Pacing issues, pretty tame fight scenes, everything involving that fuckin divorce subplot 😠. It didn’t like it much, and yet I appreciated the shit out of it. They ‘go there’ and don’t turn back. Love the movies to death (even the not so good ones), but this was refreshingly, brutally different. Happy watching!

(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
5 years ago

Thanks 🙂 what will make me enjoy it even more is knowing that it vexes the manurespherians 😈

As you said in a previous comment, their tears are very refreshing and I think they complement popcorn even better than soda does

Metal Shoggoth
Metal Shoggoth
5 years ago

Isn’t this the third straight loss for the Puppies? You’d think they’d find something better to do with their free time by now.

Aw hell, who am I kidding? They’d probably spend that free time on r/RedPill.

Bina
5 years ago

Captain Homo’s Gay Adventures on Planet Diversity

Captain Homo: He always gets the guy!

And yeah, I would read the shit out of that, if anyone wrote it.

As for the Kicked Puppies: Too bad, so sad, nobody reads boring ol’ bigoted white guys anymore. Cry me a river, your tears are salty and I need the electrolytes.

Also, dude who says he read Ursula Le Guin: I doubt very much you did. You can’t even get her name right, much less the jist of the book.

Johanna "Actually Godzilla" Roberts
Johanna "Actually Godzilla" Roberts
5 years ago

@Robyn, I don’t know Heinlein had some pretty sexist moments. The entirety of “I Will Fear No Evil” is sexist dribble about how women are totally the best when they’re having babies because this old guy with his brain in a woman’s body totally said so! (And then died giving birth to his/her own child…what)

That being said… popcorn.gif towards the Saaaad Puppies

Carayak
Carayak
5 years ago

Honestly, have these fake geek boys even seen an episode of Star Trek? Maybe leave speculative fiction up to those of us who can understand it, special snowflakes of the puppy clubs.

Fabe
Fabe
5 years ago

I would imagine If the original Star Trek came out today instead of the 1960s they would be complaining about it as well.

Ooglyboggles
5 years ago

@Carayak
They like scifi when it is Conan the Barbarian IN SPACE. Outside of that, ethics of cloning, the worries of corporate control, media influencing society, world’s without disease, understanding cultures completely alien to our own, or the hard scifi like “how to make near instantaneous interstellar communication” or the consequences of jaunts seem to be too difficult of literature for them.

Like War of the Worlds, one of the easiest early sci fi novels to read, parodies the idea of British imperialist ideology and how disease wipes out races. I have a strange feeling that instead of getting the message, they’d rather have the story be the call of duty square hardass protag starts making his BJ impression and guns down all the aliens and is loved by all the women.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

And yeah, I would read the shit out of that, if anyone wrote it.

Paging Chuck Tingle… Chuck Tingle to aisle four…

weirwoodtreehugger: communist bonobo

I would imagine If the original Star Trek came out today instead of the 1960s they would be complaining about it as well.

It’s amazing how much they think progressivism in movies, TV, and books is some completely new invention.

I was rewatching the Matrix trilogy for the first time in years. You know, the story they named one of their “movements” after? And it struck me just how much it has every quality they whine about. Yet they name themselves red pillers.

Seriously, for all its flaws, the casting was so nice an diverse. Even more so than the dreaded Star Wars TFA. Almost none of the main characters were white men. Only Agent Smith. But he was a villain and not actually a real human man. You could view Neo as white, I guess. But his race is never mentioned. When that happens I just default to the race of the character matching the name of the actor and Keanu Reeves is multiracial. Since Will Smith was one of the actors approached to play Neo, there’s really no reason to assume he’s white.

Sorry, kind of a tangent. It’s just that the whole time I was watching I remember wondering how manurespherians can name themselves after a thing from these movies! It’s not just the diverse casting. It’s the fact that it was made by trans women.. And that The Machines would seem to be much more relatable to them than the revolutionaries.

(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
(((VioletBeauregarde))): Social Justice Necromancer
5 years ago

@WWTH: Right? Then there’s the “Return of Kings” asshats, who I can’t help but wonder if they named their movement after the last Lord of the Rings movie (Return of the King)…but in that one, the Witch-King was defeated by *gasp* a woman! They (the RoKer jokers) are more like the Nazguls than Aragorn (though they might fancy themselves as being like him)

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@WWTH
Beyond that, Seraph (the coolest muffuga) is Asian, as is the key maker. The Oracle, Niobe, and a few of Zion’s highest leadership are black. The South Asian(?) kid with the spoon…
Meanwhile, the bad guys are almost all white dudes. Smith and the 1st asshole who tries to sell the good guys out to the machines, but also the asshole that fucks up Neo in Revelations. The architect isn’t bad per se, but still an asshole. The Merovingian holding Monica Bellucci captive. Even the white ghost twins with dreads (the 2nd & 3rd coolest muffugas) are villainous

Zion’s design also has a lot of African and Afrocaribbean elements mixed in with the apocalyptic stuff. Oh, and how bullets (the West) become useless when Neo’s ‘oneness’ manifests, while martial arts (the East) is how he overcomes Smith in the 1st movie. Seeing the code is probably some Nirvana thing, but my grasp of Eastern religion is tenuous at best

That’s a shit ton of cultural Marxism from just my incredibly superficial understanding of the series…

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

The Oracle, Niobe, and a few of Zion’s highest leadership are black.

Hell, if you take a good look at the rave scene, there’re few to no white dudes in Zion at all. Far more white women, but mostly PoC.

Which, of course, would indicate that white dudes are the least likely people to see the truth and break free of the Matrix.

Hmm.

Pearl Clutcher
Pearl Clutcher
5 years ago

Science fiction is my passion… Has been since I read my first Asimov as a pre-teen. Sadly, I haven’t had the time or energy to read for a while now, but however drained and anxious I feel there are always TV-series and movies. And writing, when I can focus for long enough. (Studying, working and therapy make an exhausting combo…)

The best thing about sci-fi is that it really allows one to explore the what if. What if the natural laws were different? Or the rules of society? What if manbabies didn’t need to spoil the fun for the rest of us? 😀

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@SFHC
Hmm…
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@Pearl Clutched

What if manbabies didn’t need to spoil the fun for the rest of us?

I’m not sure if I have the suspension of disbelief necessary for that 😉

Humanofexcess
Humanofexcess
5 years ago

It really surprises me that science fiction apparently can’t attract any young readers, because books like the hunger games and divergent are immensely popular and what are they if not science fiction?

But those books are mostly written by women and most popular with teenage girls, so I guess they don’t count or whatever :S

And to that guy that can’t read Ursula le Guin because “it’s a woman writing for women” Gee, poor guy! Can’t imagine what that feels like! 🙂

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

Hm… I might need to get me something to read ebooks comfortably*. The way I see this, most books I wanna read right now won’t be available in France anytime soon (besides ew french translations) and it would be way above my means to order them from abroad.

*Anyone got an idea ? I have about zero experience in this.

[Blatant self-promotion incoming]

My own stuff is coming along nicely. Got about half the novel down by now… ‘cept about half of that is in numbered, organized chapters. The other half is chapters that can’t be connected to any others because I never wrote that stuff in order. To the point where I have the first AND LAST chapter of a second book down too.

Four years and a half of planning the whole thing while writing what you feel like writing at the moment, this is what you end up with. It’s kind of a nightmare to reread now. Fun times.

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

My own stuff is coming along nicely. Got about half the novel down by now… ‘cept about half of that is in numbered, organized chapters. The other half is chapters that can’t be connected to any others because I never wrote that stuff in order. To the point where I have the first AND LAST chapter of a second book down too.

Four years and a half of planning the whole thing while writing what you feel like writing at the moment, this is what you end up with. It’s kind of a nightmare to reread now. Fun times.

I identify completely with this. I’ve got about 50% of the words of mine done. About half of that is in loose chapters ordered only by chronology, and the other half is in sub-chapter snippets.

The more I labour at this, the more I realise that katz is my hero for actually being able to finish it.

Inkswitch, Magic Horse of Awesome
Inkswitch, Magic Horse of Awesome
5 years ago

Wait, the Puppies are still a thing? Man, they’re just clinging on for grim death aren’t they

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

@Sinkable John:

I’m not sure how available/accessible it is in France, but I am a big fan of the plain old Amazon Kindle (the one that uses “electronic ink” rather than a glowing screen). Sticking to the electronic ink version means that it doesn’t cause eye strain or fatigue any more than a paper book does, solving the #1 annoyance I have with reading books on a computer or tablet.

Nothing does it for me quite like a printed book, but the Kindle is a reasonably close second, IMO.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

@EJ

I feel your pain.

I’ve never, ever been able to finish a single novel, and I’ve been at this since I was, oh, maybe 6. I have several volumes of short stories that are finished, but not a single novel. To the point where I actually have a whole bunch of short stories that connect with the novel I’m writing now.

I blame father issues.

ETA : @Kootiepatra

Thank you. That’s exactly the kind of advice I needed 😀

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ valentine

Shelly was the first writer to go into technical details about how it might actually work.

She doesn’t though. She actually leaves out the details so no one can replicate the work.

So now I’m stuck with a load of body parts. I probably should have read the whole book through before getting my shovel out.

EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

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I’ve had some short stories published. Have you considered doing that? Or just putting them on the web for people to read? I don’t know about you but I get a huge kick out of people reading my stuff, even if they go on to tell me how much it sucks.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

Re: writing

This is a story that I’m usually pretty coy about, but we’re all friends here so I trust you not to tell anyone.

I once faced a negligence claim. It arose out of a case where there’d been an issue as to when a time limit for bringing a private prosecution began. I’d argued one thing, the court had ruled against me.

The insurers came to see me. Luckily I was able to point to a standard practitioner textbook on the subject. That book said that my approach was the correct one. The insurers were happy with that. Regardless of who was ultimately correct, you can’t be held negligent if you adopt the standard view on a matter. So they went on their way and the claim was dismissed.

I breathed a sigh of relief as they left and my friend whispered “Good job they didn’t check to see who’d written the book”.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

@Alan

Apparently some Trump supporters might be interested, according to that other thread. Unless it’s not fresh enough for them ?

@EJ

When I was 16, an old friend and I created a little something we called [Sans-Titre] (“Untitled”). The aim was to gather and publish stuff from various authors, really anyone who’d give us something to publish. It would be really anything, short stories, poems, excerpts from novels, the occasional political pamphlet – the only requirement was that we liked it. That actually had a lot of success considering the extremely limited means we had. We sold the thing on a PWYW basis, and ran something like 20 issues, each printed in numbers between 100 and 200. We had regular contributors from all over the freaking country, people we’d actually met through [Sans-Titre], who remain my friends to this day.

It’s one of those things I’m insanely proud of. I can still remember Mr. Chief-Redactor-Dude walking up to me in high school while I was hiding and smoking a joint, and saying “Hey, let’s start a paper.” to which I replied “Fuck yeah.”

It featured a lot of my short stories, and excerpts from this same novel I’ve been restarting over and over again, in it’s 2008-2010 state. One thing that version had in common with the current one was the character of a lady knight named Hylda, and the chapters centered around her were the ones most published – and people seemed to love her. Incidentally, she went on and became the main character in the current iteration (or “reboot”, heh).

I don’t know about you but I get a huge kick out of people reading my stuff, even if they go on to tell me how much it sucks.

Well fair criticism is the best way to improve innit ? Since [Sans-Titre] is pretty much over now, I’m always looking all over the place for readers since the only way I can assert what my stuff is worth is by listening to what people have to say about it. Admittedly, it’s pretty hard to find people now – most of those who used to do this for me are way too busy with their work and studies now, and there aren’t a lot of readers in my most immediate circles. I’m hoping that will change with the move in September.

@Alan again

Pseudonyms. Always use pseudonyms.
Incidentally, Sinkable John is an anagram of my real name.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ sinkable John

Sod pseudonyms. No one writes a legal text book for the money; its just a kudos/CV thing. Luckily practitioner texts don’t have the actual author’s name on the cover. They’re usually named for the person who first wrote it (even if they’ve been dead for ages) and the writer of the current edition goes on the fly leaf. That book was actually written for a government body so they were the one on the cover.

(And now I’m engaging in some cryptography 🙂 )

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
5 years ago

These people are not ready to know about Afrofuturisim, Margret Atwood, Octavia Butler, Marxist science fiction, or queer spec fic.

They don’t understand how important speculative fiction is to marginalized people. It always has been about everything from class struggle to sexisim. We need to imagine our future to make it happen, or express our feelings of oppression. We need to tell others how to end it, and science fiction can show people how.

Or we need to see ourselves as great heroes in fantasy and imagine worlds that don’t judge us. Fantasy is uplifting and escapeisim while science fiction offers solutions.

I think that’s part of the reason why they’re afraid of progressive speculative fiction. We can use it as a tool against them and the system, or use it to heal ourselves.

They also see us as an intruder into “thier” genra.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

So now I’m stuck with a load of body parts. I probably should have read the whole book through before getting my shovel out.

Ha, ha!

Story of my life.

I breathed a sigh of relief as they left and my friend whispered “Good job they didn’t check to see who’d written the book”.

Did you write that book?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
5 years ago

@John
Fuck you. Now I hafta figure out what your name is. Couldn’t just let me believe it was John, could ya? 🙂

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Kat

Yeah, it’s a textbook on environmental law for our Ministry of Defence. As another friend pointed out “Only you could write a book that’s got both a tank and a badger on the front cover” 🙂

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

@Alan

Sod pseudonyms.

Look at some of those though.

“Narwhal Boaster”. “Aberrant Ash Owl”.

Granted, most of them don’t make any sense. Some might even be downright vexing (that happened for me), I haven’t read them all so I can’t be sure.

@authorialAlchemy

It’s almost as if they have strictly no idea what the whole point of writing is. Oh wait…

ETA : @Axe

Good luck, heh. Both my first and last names are spelt in a way that looks like a typo, so it’s making any reverse-anagram-engineering (which is a totally legit concept and not one I just made up) pretty much impossible.
Hint though : John is indeed my name, or more accurately its english equivalent.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ sinkable jean

“Narwhal Boaster”

Now I’m envisaging lady narwhals getting annoyed by unsolicited tusk pictures.

Lorcan Nagle
Lorcan Nagle
5 years ago

Jadehawk
August 21, 2016 at 8:06 pm
“…and despite it being SJW messagefic about murdering all men…”

given the main character’s culture’s inability to tell genders apart to save their lives, this could be a difficult mission to accomplish 😀 😀

No, but you see the subtext of the book is kill all men, or something.

Seriously, I’ve seen the most amazing criticisms of the Imperial Radtch trilogy, including it being man-hating, that you can’t tell if it’s science fiction or fantasy (and that came from a professional writer!), that it undermines military SF as a genre because a soldier cries, and they talk about drinking tea.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ lorcan

Drinking tea is an essential part of being a soldier; for the Brits anyway.

All British tanks have on-board tea making facilities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel

(See also, Operation Market Garden and the U.S. Army’s annoyance with the Brits on D-Day)

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

Boiling vessels sounds like something the French would make up as a parody. And then you realize that it’s real.

I think there’s a law that states that parody can’t actually beat reality, but I can’t remember how it’s called.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Alan

Yeah, it’s a textbook on environmental law for our Ministry of Defence. As another friend pointed out “Only you could write a book that’s got both a tank and a badger on the front cover”

Impressive! 🙂

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

I think there’s a law that states that parody can’t actually beat reality, but I can’t remember how it’s called.

Poe’s Law. One part of Poe’s Law, anyway.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
5 years ago

@alan R – is the badger driving the tank? Cos I’d like to see that.

Dr Space Junk
Dr Space Junk
5 years ago

Speaking of Peter F Hamilton, he published the outstanding Greg Mandel trilogy in the 1990s – all about a climate change! I’ve not seen anyone complaining about it yet.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

@SFHC

It’s definitely a corollary to Poe’s Law, yeah, but I seem to remember it was called something else.

Although, if I can’t recall what it’s called right now, it means I’ve probably only ever heard of it in french, since my brain is running in english-only mode right now. Probably some obscure french reference or something. Or maybe not, admittedly I have memory issues in general so I really can’t say.

ETA : @Dr Space Junk

Can you say privilege ? Seems it also includes the right to say anything the “anti-SJW” crowd doesn’t like.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ rugbyyogi

Me too!

Unfortunately it actually looks a bit like the tank is gunning for the badger; which wasn’t really the ethos we were aiming for.

ETA: There’s also a Eurofigher Typhoon so at least it looks like the badger has managed to call in air support.

jefrir
jefrir
5 years ago

Sinkable John – I’ve had pretty good experiences of reading ebooks on a Kindle Fire, but do be careful if you go down the Kindle route; Amazon only lets you buy ebooks from your own country’s version of Amazon, so if you’re planning on reading English books, you’ll need to make sure they’re available on Amazon.fr (or possibly do some sort of finagling to tell the Kindle you’re in the UK, but I don’t know how doable that is)

Lorcan Nagle
Lorcan Nagle
5 years ago

Metal Shoggoth
August 21, 2016 at 11:26 pm
Isn’t this the third straight loss for the Puppies? You’d think they’d find something better to do with their free time by now.

Aw hell, who am I kidding? They’d probably spend that free time on r/RedPill.

This is the 4th straight loss for a group identifying as Sad Puppies, and the second for Voxman’s Rabid Puppies.

In 2013, it was just Larry Correia trying to get his book onto the Hugo shortlist, which failed.

In 2014, Correia tried again, this time with a handful of nominees per category, a couple of which made it to the shortlist. Nothing on his list won. This year he included Voxman as a short story author (to ‘blow liberal minds’, to paraphrasew Correia), who finished behind No Award. This iteration of the Sad Puppies campaign caused a lot of consternation and debate in the SF community, as while it was generally acceptable (if a little distasteful amongst older fans) to list your own stuff that was in the running for awards that year, putting forward a recommended list that was designed to fit entirely within the shortlist was pretty shitty.

In 2015, Correia handed over reins of Sad Puppies to Brad R. Torgersen, who was a nominee for the John W. Campbell award for best new writer in 2012.

The Campbell is not a Hugo, but is administered by the Hugo administrators and given out in the same ceremony. One of the Campbell traditions is that the winner wears a tiara for the night, and Torgersen attended the Hugo ceremony that year in full military dress uniform (as is his right as a member of the US Army), with the justification that if he won, he could decline to wear the tiara as it would besmirch his uniform or something.

He came last in the voting for the award.

Torgersen took the campaign a step further, moving from a small number of items per category to a full 5 – telling people exactly how to vote. Voxman decided to run his Rabid Puppies slate alongside Torgersen’s one, and thanks to tje Hugo shortlist being First Past the Post voting, they dominated the list, but thanks to the Hugos themselves being determined by Single Transferrable Vote and the No Award option, they were soundly defeated in the award finals.

It’s worth noting that Sad Puppies basically acted as a signal booster and stalking horse for Rabid Puppies, and most of the Sad Puppies’ success was where their lists coincided with Voxman’s

This year, Sad Puppies was run by Kate Paulk, Sarah A Hoyt, and Amanda Green. They decided to do a recommendation list, allowed anyone to submit entries to it, and then listed them in order of popularity. Which isn’t great, but a hell of a lot better than the prior two years. They got very little traction, and the Hugo stats show very few people used them as a guideline.

Voxman, meanwhile ran Rabid Puppies again, and didn’t get anywhere near as much control as he did last year, but he was able to dominate Best Related Work (including some seriously awful, insulting pieces) and Best Fancast. He also included some popular and well-regarded works (such as Seveneves by Neal Stephenson in Best Novel) in his list in an attempt to confound voters and so he could claim victory one way or another – indeed, he’s claiming he won because The Martian got best Dramatic Picture – Long Form and Andy Weir got the Campbell (even though Weir was kept off the Campbell shortlist last year by the Puppy campaigns).

I’d be willing to bet that this is the last year that Voxman will try and vandalise the Hugos, for a couple of reasons.

1: You need to pay $50 (or thereabouts, it changes from year to year) for a supporting membership, which is the minimum Worldcon membership level necessary to vote in the Hugos. This membership level allows you to vote in the current year’s Hugos, but to nominate in the current year, and the following one. So the people who signed up for Sad/Rabid Puppies last year got to nominate this year for no extra effort.

An analysis of the Hugo stats for this year shows that Voxman likely had 400-500 people nominating his slate, but only 150 voted for him as best editor, suggesting that relatively few people forked out for membership this year.

2: Two anti-slate mechanisms were added to the Hugos at Worldcon this year, to go into effect next year – the shortlist will be expanded to 6 entries, but people still nominate 5; and the counting of the votes will be done in a more complicated way, where each person effectively has one vote that’s split between the works they nominate.

An additional two anti-slate measures were approved this year to be ratified next year, one being an expansion to the new vote counting, the other a second voting stage where people can attempt to downvote works from the shortlist.

If anyone wants to read them, the Hugo stats are available here: http://www.thehugoawards.org/content/pdf/2016HugoStatistics.pdf

Lorcan Nagle
Lorcan Nagle
5 years ago

Carayak
August 21, 2016 at 11:35 pm
Honestly, have these fake geek boys even seen an episode of Star Trek? Maybe leave speculative fiction up to those of us who can understand it, special snowflakes of the puppy clubs.

Fabe
August 21, 2016 at 11:45 pm
I would imagine If the original Star Trek came out today instead of the 1960s they would be complaining about it as well.

No word of a lie, I have actually seen people complaining about SJWs adding diversity to Star Trek after Bryan Fuller’s statements about what he wants to include in Star Trek: Discovery.

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

@jefrir

Alright, that is definitely something I absolutely needed to know. I’ll take that into account, thanks a lot. As a rule I avoid translated books (really translated anything) now, unless the original language isn’t english, and even then I’ll go for the english translation. French translators (and in the case of movies and games, French voice-actors) are incredibly bad at their job, and it’s something that’s extremely painful to witness for me since I’ve done a few unreported translation jobs and worked my ass off on them, for about 5% of what those clowns make…

It’s a problem I’ve had with PS3 games (either language-locked french physical copies, or more infuriatingly paid-for downloads) , so I definitely ain’t making the same mistake a second time. I’ll look into it some more.

Lorcan Nagle
Lorcan Nagle
5 years ago

Alan Robertshaw
August 22, 2016 at 3:37 am
@ lorcan

Drinking tea is an essential part of being a soldier; for the Brits anyway.

All British tanks have on-board tea making facilities.

A Welsh friend of mine, who’s both an avid wargamer and tea drinker revels in telling people about that.

Not to mention that back in WW I and II, British soldiers would fire off a couple hundred rounds for their water-cooled machine guns, and use the now-boiling water to make tea.

Dr Space Junk
August 22, 2016 at 4:05 am
Speaking of Peter F Hamilton, he published the outstanding Greg Mandel trilogy in the 1990s – all about a climate change! I’ve not seen anyone complaining about it yet.

I don’t think I’ve ever read a Hamilton novel that didn’t have massive environmental damage to Earth (or specifically noting that technology saved Earth from massive environmental damage)

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko
5 years ago

Re: Hamilton

I remember The Night’s Dawn went on extensively about the use of particularly destructive weaponry, with sometimes pretty long descriptions on the effects of such devices on immediate surroundings. I read that ten years ago so I can’t be sure anymore, but I seem to remember there was a certain dedication to describing the disruptions caused even by a single shot. The example that comes to mind most readily is those Gauss rifles that lift extremely large dusts of cloud that are eventually blown away to reveal craters.

Given that the whole trilogy features an enemy that is by definition impervious to violence, a lot goes on about the absurdity of using increasingly terrifying devices for next to no result except enormous collateral damage. That’s how I remember it though, I could be dead wrong about the meaning, again it was ten years ago.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ lorcan

British soldiers would fire off a couple hundred rounds for their water-cooled machine guns, and use the now-boiling water to make tea.

“Adapt, improvise, and overcome” 🙂

I hope they were careful though. Often, when water was short, they filled the cooling system with urine. That could get embarrassing.

“Sarge, are you *sure* this is Earl Grey?”

Jubal
5 years ago

Fascinating, are they.

Did someone point them at NK Jemisin’s patreon and the fact that – thanks to it – she can now concentrate on writing full-time?