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Boys club to Harvard admins: Don’t make us accept women, because we might rape them

Teddy Roosevelt (on floor) and other members of the Porcellian Club in 1880, not raping anyone
Teddy Roosevelt (on floor next to table) and other members of the Porcellian Club in 1880, not raping anyone

A spokesman for one of Harvard University’s most exclusive undergrad social clubs has come up with what may be the most ironic excuse possible for keeping the club an all-male enclave.

In the wake of a report blasting Harvard’s “final clubs,” as they’re known, for their “deeply misogynistic attitudes” and generally rapey atmosphere, the 225-year-old Porcellian Club released a statement saying that it would be a huge mistake for Harvard to force the club to admit women.

Because the men of the club might rape them.

In the statement, emailed to the Harvard Crimson, Charles M. Storey (class of 1982) claimed that the Porcellian Club club has a perfect record when it comes to rape, with “no allegation of sexual assault” ever leveled at the club. (He’s pretty sure.)

But maybe that’s just because there were no women in the club to rape.

Given our policies, we are mystified as to why the current administration feels that forcing our club to accept female members would reduce the incidence of sexual assault on campus, … Forcing single gender organizations to accept members of the opposite sex could potentially increase, not decrease the potential for sexual misconduct.

CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS!

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Hippielady
Hippielady
4 years ago

Rapey Harvard boys are rapey.

Freemage
Freemage
4 years ago

I agree with douchebro. Clearly, his club should not be integrated; it should be abolished, and the current members required to complete some sensitivity training and consent education before being allowed to return to campus, or, indeed, public life of any sort.

I was just made Benevolent-Dictator-for-Life, right? This could be a bit embarrassing, otherwise.

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
4 years ago

^ Exactly.

Bina
4 years ago

If these guys are so scared that admitting women to the club will make them rapists, then the club shouldn’t exist. Because really: a club for rapists who aren’t rapey as long as there are no women to rape? Logic nohow contrariwise…

Terrabeau
Terrabeau
4 years ago

Just disband them. I’m serious, they offer nothing of value to society either within or without the university. Harvard would lose nothing but bad PR by dropping this band of pighead fuckers from their campus.

Huggbees
Huggbees
4 years ago

CAPTAIN PICARD I NEED YOU AGAIN!
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THANK YOU!

Number Sequence
Number Sequence
4 years ago

And the not-so-stealth threat is presented.

“Listen, if we let women into this club, we’re just going to rape one or more of them eventually, and we wouldn’t want that. So do yourself a favor, ladies, and keep out so nothing bad happens to you.”

Want to demand some protection money while you’re at it?

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

I always love how men are allowed to say men are inherently rapey and it’s just good solid man logical science, but if women say we don’t believe men are inherently rapey, but rape culture is a thing and rapists don’t wear signs, therefore we’re on the lookout for red flags, then it’s MISANDRY!!!

Huggbees
Huggbees
4 years ago

I’m not against the idea of a boys club but of all reasons of why you won’t have women in your club, why in the hell would the reason be “we might rape them?’ and yeah like what most of the folks here are saying If that’s the reason these guys won’t admit women into their club then why have the club at all?

Saphira
Saphira
4 years ago

*sigh* And yet they can refrain from raping women at work, in elevators, at the park, on the golf course, while dining at restaurants . . . .

Or at least I hope they can.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago

At this point I expect a number of male members of this club have been sexually assaulted in some way. Jesus.

Croosters
Croosters
4 years ago

Yo. Person who answered that question on behalf of the club.

Saying that if women come into your club will make your members rape them… DEFEATS THE ENTIRE FUCKING PURPOSE OF YOUR ARGUMENT FOR STAYING SEGREGATED!

You’re studying at Harvard for fuck’s sake! Or did daddy pay to let you get in?

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
4 years ago

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

Y’all are missing the point. It’s not that Charles Storey actually thinks this. It’s not like keeping women out of the club is actually preventing rape, because it’s not like these “gentlemen” have no access to women outside the club. I’m sure Storey understands this perfectly.

No, he just wants to keep women away from the networking functions that these kinds of clubs provide. I’m sure he knows, at a subconscious if not conscious level, that people devalue anything when women are involved in it regardless of whether that makes any sense, and he wants to keep the value of his club high.

What’s outrageous is not that he thinks his club-mates are rapey (which, who knows if they are or not). What’s outrageous is that he thinks that “Hey, my club-mates are rapey” is a more acceptable excuse for the exclusion than “Hey, we just don’t want women to have the same advantages we do.”

He thinks that claiming his club is full of rapists-waiting-to-happen is a better thing to say than explaining that he thinks the presence of women will devalue his club.

That is how acceptable rape is in our society. That is rape culture right there. “Don’t get girls near us because we might rape them” is something this dude thought it was fine to say and that there would be no repercussions for it. Because there probably won’t be. Because women who are raped in college are told they should have known better than to be in a room with a rapist.

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago

PoM: Well said!

Grace of Spades
Grace of Spades
4 years ago

@ Policy of Madness: YES! Also, I have an internet crush on you now.

ColeYote
ColeYote
4 years ago

In fact, why don’t we just go back to gender-segregated schools? Great idea!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

Very well put, PoM. It goes beyond “we don’t want to have to wear pants in our treehouse”. They want to continue hogging access to the levers of power. It’s a bunch of white dudes from wealthy, powerful families using their connections and influence to raise each other up further. Women (who haven’t yet reached that level of parity) would only dilute that.

It’s clear from Storey’s remarks that these are powerful men relating to women in an unequal, anachronistic, primarily sexual way, and they want to keep it that way. They can’t even entertain the idea that women might want to also network and bond. It’s utterly foreign to them.

No, when they picture women in their club, it’s in the context of parties and rape. Porcellian is an apt name.

Axecalibur
Axecalibur
4 years ago

Just what the Harvard Porcelain Club (huff, huff, huff) needs: a 50+ year old (did the math) man with a middle fucking initial (the pretentious ass), putting a group he presumably cares about on blast, as potential, and likely rapists. Good job, Chuck!
Also, did he just offer up that opinion, unprovoked? Who even asked this guy? Does he think he’s helping? Good job, Harvard! Taught ’em well
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ThatBear
ThatBear
4 years ago

@PoM

You are so cool right now.

Nequam
Nequam
4 years ago

@leftwingfox: Given the initiation ceremonies some fraternal organizations have had over the years…

History Nerd
History Nerd
4 years ago

@freemage A few people in my family went to Ivy League schools and they’re familiar with those gender-exclusive clubs. It does sound like the solution is to ban the clubs, not enforce anti-discrimination policies.

Ire
Ire
4 years ago

Because everyone knows that when education was segregated no one was ever raped, ever, at all… or if they were, well, at least it wasn’t on school premises right? 😀

C.S.Strowbridge
C.S.Strowbridge
4 years ago

As I said on another site, they should all be expelled. They admitted they can’t be trusted around women, so for the safety of other students, they should all be expelled from the school.

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

How did these fuckwits even get into Harvard in the first place?

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

@ Social Justice Atheist

Money? Family connections? Great grades but no respect for other people’s boundaries?

leftwingfox
leftwingfox
4 years ago

Nequam: Yep

#hameron

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

Echoing Axecalibur to say that Charles M. Storey is no undergrad: He’s from the class of 1982.

So far, my favorite exchange between commenters at The Harvard Crimson is this:

Maplecroft
Oh, these clubs had a place in time; of course, they seem silly now. However, back in the 1800s it was the center of social life in academia, as were eating clubs, or Granges, Odd Fellow and Masonic Lodges, etc. Times have changed, though tradition has not. The fact tradition still exists, i.e., men only, is what Faust, Khuruna, SJWs, etc. all have a beef with. If it comes as no financial cost to Harvard, who cares? If they use the name of Harvard, like The Harvard Lodge is with AF&AM Freemasonry… that’s a different legal issue.

NepotismIsDomesticTerrorism
“Oh, these clubs had a place in time; of course, they seem silly now. However, back in the 1800s…”
Ah, the 1800s. When only white males could vote. Good times.
For Chuck Storey’s predecessors at the Porcellian.

Don’t know much about Harvard. Although when I lived in Berkeley, California, I did have a blind date with a guy who had gone there. He seemed to pity me, presumably because I hadn’t gone to an Ivy League school. Also, although he had graduated maybe twenty years earlier, he could not shut up about Harvard. I told my friends that he seemed to have been scarred by the experience. . . .

#NotAllIvyLeaguers

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@PolicyofMadness

“Don’t get girls near us because we might rape them” is something this dude thought it was fine to say and that there would be no repercussions for it.

Yes!

‘Cause we’re such red-blooded heterosexual men. If we’re not constrained by the fact that no women are present, we’re likely to do what comes naturally! Which is perfectly fine because we’re Masters of the Universe!

#RapistandTitanofIndustry

RosieLa
RosieLa
4 years ago

@Axecalibur
Eh, both myself and my sister have middle initials (in fact, we have full middle names that we rarely use) not to be pretentious, but because they are useful. We have culturally appropriate first names which anglos (or white people) have difficulty pronouncing. My mother’s logic was that, if we needed to, we use our very British middle names and reach acceptance that way.

weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

A friend of mine went to Harvard Law. From what I recall, he disliked most of the people there and didn’t fit in all that well. And he’s a white upper middle class guy, he’s just not a douchebag about it. I can only imagine what it’s like for the less privileged people who manage to get in.

SCH
SCH
4 years ago

I don’t really care if they admit women or not, but if after two and a quarter centuries of existence that attitude and thinking it’s appropriate to say that is what eventually leads to the club being terminated (because really, why does it even exist if your prime reason for “no girls” is rape?)… yup, good job.

Bina
4 years ago

Ah, the 1800s. When only white males could vote. Good times.

This line made my day, for some odd reason. (chuckles)

And yeah. What IS the ongoing raison d’être for these clubs, anyway? Clubs for clubs’ sake? Or do they use them for some deep and nefarious purpose such as, say, gentlemen discussing rape (which they may or may not have personally committed, chortle-chortle) amongst their gentlemanly selves, with no interfering ladies to poop the rapey-jokey party?

What DOES this Porcellian thing DO, anyway?

kupo
kupo
4 years ago

@WWTH
Some minority students at ivy leagues (I don’t recall which, but at least one mod has name dropped an ivy league) have set up a Tumblr to give the rest of us a window into their world. Not all of the quotes are from ivy league students, and some are even from professors, but you get the idea what it’s like to go to school with rich, entitled brats.

http://shitrichcollegekidssay.tumblr.com

Social Justice Atheist
Social Justice Atheist
4 years ago

@Victorious Parasol

True, but they should be expelled as others have said because they have clearly stated they are unable to control themselves. I don’t think that’s really true, though. I think they just wouldn’t want to. Or they just want an excuse to exclude women. (most likely answer)

Axecalibur
Axecalibur
4 years ago

@Rosie
Not all people who use their middle initials (or the whole name) are pretentious asses. But. If you use your middle initial, AND you’re a rich old white dude named Charles, AND you went to Harvard, AND you popped outta nowhere to defend the exclusivity of your special little gentleman’s club, AND you do so by invoking what is essentially an indirect threat of violence, I get to poke fun at your naming choice
But yeah, you right. He’d still be a despicable person, with or without the ‘M’.

katz
4 years ago

You guys are all missing the obvious. No one can get raped at a college event because it’s private property.

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
4 years ago

And people tell me Harvard is some classy, cultured place!

Guess not.

kale
kale
4 years ago

No, see, men arent inherently rapists, its just that evil wimmen turn men into rapists by having feeemale bodies.

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
4 years ago

It never fails to astound me that they defend masculine culture by denigrating themselves to horny goats with no inhibitions. Says more about how they view things than they think.

Seriously though “we might become howling rapists, we’re like werewolves to the moons that are women”

Rainbear
Rainbear
4 years ago

I agree, the idea that men are walking gonads is old. I know several guys who have told me they felt weird that they don’t really want sex at all at that point in their life because there were other things more important to them.

Nobody should feel weird about that; being only transitorily interested or completely disinterested in sex is a normal slice of human existence. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything more.

As for these guys, yeah, they just want to keep their echo chamber echoing.

dust bunny
dust bunny
4 years ago

@ NickNameNick

“Classy” and “cultured” are both concepts that have been made up solely for the purpose of making oppression, theft, injustice, inequality, one set of people using power over others, etc. seem like admirable and virtuous things. Isn’t that precisely what Harvard stands for?

NickNameNick
NickNameNick
4 years ago

@Dust Bunny:

I was being sarcastic, though I probably should’ve been more obvious about that…

I’m not fond of either term for that reason, same goes for “civilized” – since it’s just used for nationalistic self-aggrandizement and to degrade everyone else of being their lesser. It’s a self-soothing excuse from those high up on the societal food-chain, to direct their own attention away from the pain they cause to everyone below as well as to convince those who don’t know better that their values are somehow superior.

While it may not always be the case, not to mention a gross generalization, it seems like – many times – the more money someone has is proportional to their lack of empathy or ethics. I believe there was a study that came to that conclusion as well…

It reminds me of how, in Game of Thrones, everyone brings up “honor” in order to rationalize absolutely treacherous or avaricious behavior. It’s why Tyrion’s awareness of that bullshit and striving to actually be ethical in an utterly unethical environment makes it interesting to watch for me.

=8)-DX
=8)-DX
4 years ago

Apart from the problematic nature of “at least no one was raped in our club”, the whole notion falls apart when one considers that presumably some members of the Porcellian have been rapists in the past, and the fact that none of them carried out their crimes on boys’ club property doesn’t change that. Segregation is dehumanising itself, especially when it is something “extra special and exclusive” that’s been reserved for the privileged class.

Pietro_McM
Pietro_McM
4 years ago

The Porcellan Club, a men only club that appears to exist for pig-roasts. I wonder if they’re like the Piers Gaveston Society? British Prime Minister, David Cameron, has been accused of some rather peculiar pig related hi-jinks, there. ‘Pig-Boy, to his chums.

Of course he was definitely a member of that other hide-bound receptacle of male privilege, the Bullingdon Club. Nasty arrogant bunch.

Yale has the Skull & Bones, even Sunnydale U., had, Delta Zeta Kappa. All of them, male bonding & networking opportunities, tied together by mutually embarrassing, humiliating and potentially blackmailable, rituals?

Kevin
Kevin
4 years ago

Oh come on. It’s just some rather daft (old) boys who don’t want to play with girls. I won’t go into what games they might play with each other…

Argle Bargle (formerly Carr)
Argle Bargle (formerly Carr)
4 years ago

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They could have gone with ”We want there to be male only clubs and female only clubs”. They could have even gone with ”We think girls are gross and smelly”. No, they went with ”we might rape them”.

All that money spent on Harvard and they can’t come up with a better reason?

OoglyBoggles
OoglyBoggles
4 years ago

When you’re a spoiled brat armed with the knowledge that society is not going to do anything to you, you tend to not polish your pr skills.

Kevin
Kevin
4 years ago

Porcellian Club. The name reminds me of David Cameron for some reason…

Bryce
Bryce
4 years ago

Aren’t there similar sorts of arguments for women-only organizations and spaces on campuses ie. men’s presence creating an unsafe space etc? I mean this particular club seems like a hornet’s nest of nasty 18-20 year-old douchebros, but…