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Why do women work when they could just be living off some dude, confused MGTOW wonders

Well that's no way to find a husband!
Well that’s no way to find a husband!

Over in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one recent convert to the MGTOW philosophy admits that there is one thing about the females that’s really baffling.

Namely, why do any of them work, when they could just use their magic hoo-has to snag some poor dude and live off of him, lying on the couch watching Jerry Springer amidst a pile of bon-bon wrappers?

[H]ow does MGTOW explain working women? Why do women work low or pseudo status positions for employers that are primarily public facing? I feel like the women who work at Waffle House / Starbucks / whatever probably have a more consistently stressful time of things than I do working a STEM job, they’re paid less, and they’re burning SMV time working a plebian job.

Why do women work low and pseudo status positions like these? How does MGTOW explain women who opt in to these arrangements when they could likely bf/marry/B.D.Govt their way to a less stressful life? 

In case you’re not intimately familiar with misogyny-speak, SMV stands for “Sexual Market Value,” which, these dudes believe, starts declining for women after they hit the ripe old age of 25 or so and start getting all old and ugly. And “B.D.Govt” means “Big Daddy Government,” always ready to help a girl out with some of that sweet, sweet welfare cash.

Happily, the subreddit’s regulars are more than willing to mansplain the puzzling fact of women having jobs.

A fellow called NormanDaNubcaek has a whole long list of reasons.

-They may have squandered their childhood/teen years, already putting them at a disadvantage to serious students

-They don’t want to put in the initial effort getting the proper training (Think instant vs delayed gratification)

-STEM actually requires critical thinking skills

-The job, while perhaps stressful, is regular and simple (more repetitive work vs less work that is more complex)

-Their jobs already have a lot of women, so they just join the pack, or other women recommend them to join

-They already have massive debt from a garbage degree and can’t afford to go back to school

-They used to be supported by a man, but now have to earn their own living until the next guy comes around.

Lostapwbm has a somewhat more detailed explanation, and one that is slightly more rooted in consensus reality, if not always in the rules of grammar.

“Poor women have always had to work,” he writes.

Housewife is typically a role that only the wife of a successful or frugal man, and feminism is a vanity project of rich white women.

So why can’t these Starbucks ladies “bf/marry their way out” of the working world? First, he explains, there’s the problem of man-access.

[T]hey don’t have access to a man of sufficiently higher economic status that she can go from working woman to housewife/lady of the house.

And then of course there is the problem of these women being such stuck up snooty you-know-whats that they can’t appreciate the perfectly decent men right there under their nose ISN’T THAT RIGHT KIMBERLY SOME DAY YOU’LL REALIZE I WAS THERE ALL ALONG WE WERE MEANT TO BE oh whoops.

A lot of women aren’t attracted to the type of man who would lift her out of her lower economic status. He’s boring/lame/has no game. He just wants to move up his job, pay his bills, and basically live a drama-free life.

Well, ok, but what about living off of Big Daddy G?

Women dependent on the government (B.D. Govt as you put it) are in that category of drama-lovers. Three kids by two guys, ex-boyfriends are drug addicts/dealers, whatever you prefer, but the takeaway is these women don’t want a less stressful life because they emotionally feed on that drama.

Wordjedi agrees that these Starbucks baristas are a bunch of stuck up rom-com lovers holding out for some imaginary perfect dude but ha ha the joke’s on them — if they sleep with too many Mr. Right-Nows while waiting for Mr. Right, they’ll get so burned out on dick that something something cats box of wine.

Yeah, I’m having a little trouble summarizing this one. You try:

Remember that women still flock to romcom movies in droves. They still really think mating is equal, that two people who were meant to be together tritely run together through a meadow and embrace.

Until she finds her perfect six figure hunk, a girl’s gotta have some random stiff dick in her now and then, right? Especially when she’s had a few drinks so has an excuse not to give a fuck? ====> hookup culture.

Unfortunately, people give less and less of an (emotional) fuck for each random hookup. Bye bye, perfect romance. She’s bored with dick by the time she meets him, if she ever does. ====> box wine + cats + Starbucks barista 4-evah

The explanaiton proffered by good_man_gone is if anything even less cogent. He starts out by suggesting that any women you see working just weren’t pretty enough to score themselves the high-quality beta bux.

“I never in my life have seen a perfect ten flipping burgers for 7$ /hour,” he declares, with an almost audible wink.

But then he goes on to suggest that almost any gal — even those who are perhaps not that pretty — can find a man dumb enough to marry her up or at least buy her a couple of drinks at closing time amirite fellas?

And still there is plenty of guys out there who will happily marry the 3s or 4s and give them money. Smv is key here. Better looks = more free stuff and money. But fugly chicks get free drinks too you know.

I have to admit I was guilty of that in the past. You know when the pub is about to close and u are hammered and suddenly your brain tells you “go ahead buy her a drink, yeah the fat small chick over there do it”

I guess the real lesson here is to never ask MGTOWs for an explanation of anything.

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RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
8 years ago

There’s one thing I wonder… We and a lot of other people who criticize MGTOW say that what they are doing is an attempt at trying to make women feel sorry for not dating them and whatnot (which, for the record, I still think is true), so why haven’t they caught up on that? People have been laughing at their tantrum and expressing that they’re not falling for it for a while now; why do they keep doing it?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ WWTH

Not sure why the double post happened.

If the Cornish internet was working properly (we’re currently back to early dial up modem speeds) I’d post a clip from ‘Red Dwarf’ where Kryten does his “That was such an important point I though it was worth saying twice” thing 🙂

weirwoodtreehugger
8 years ago

Uh oh, did one of the MGTOWs attempt to flirt with a Waffle House waitress and get rebuffed?

I don’t know how that ungrateful bitch could have possibly done that. Doesn’t being financially dependent on an angry misogynist sound like the best possible life outcome? Chicks, man. We just don’t know a good thing when we see it.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
8 years ago

Can we just admit that MGTOW is short for Men getting Totally Obsessed with Women?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

@ Tara

MGTOW is short for Men getting Totally Obsessed with Women

Oh, please can we make that a thing!

Paradoxical Intention
8 years ago

I feel like the women who work at Waffle House / Starbucks / whatever probably have a more consistently stressful time of things than I do working a STEM job, they’re paid less,

So close…

and they’re burning SMV time working a plebian job.

…and yet so far.

Victorious Parasol | January 30, 2016 at 1:46 pm
After reading their attempts at logical thinking, I need more bon bons.

[Casually slides this your way]

GeekyGirlForever | January 30, 2016 at 2:11 pm
Long time lurker who loves this page even if my blood pressure doesn’t always.

Hello there! So nice to finally see your username then! 😀 Did someone already link you to the Welcome Package?

sevenofmine | January 30, 2016 at 2:32 pm
I was wondering that myself. If they’re going their own way–why haven’t they gone already?
There’s a video on Youtube of a child of ~2 throwing a tantrum. Mom and dad move out of view of the kid. When the kid realizes his audience has disappeared he goes quiet, gets up, moves to where they can see him again and then throws himself back onto the floor and resumes his tantrum. They repeat this process 3 or 4 times throughout the video.

TL;DR there’s no point throwing a massive tantrum if nobody is around to see it.

Can we just post that video every time we get one of those MGTOWs who just has to come in here and insist they’re so happy now that they’re not clumsily humping/dating/dealing with us hypergamous bitches feeemales?

weirwoodtreehugger | January 30, 2016 at 2:47 pm
[…] Also, how do they know that their Waffle House server or Starbucks barista isn’t working there while they are going to school? How do they know they aren’t recent grads making ends meet while they pursue employment in their fields?

Because that would require them to think about not-people other than their penis.

* Of course, women go to [Superhero] movies in droves too. I’m sure that’s evil in some way.

Fuck yeah! Jackie and I are hoping we can get together to go see Deadpool because we live kinda close! 😀

kupo
kupo
8 years ago

It never occurred to any of these guys that the women working as servers at the Waffle House or baristas at Starbucks could be college students, retirees earning extra income to supplement their Social Security, or working moms with deadbeat exes, did it?

Or, you know, that women are actually people and have to work shitty jobs for the same reasons men do.

Bina
8 years ago

A lot of women aren’t attracted to the type of man who would lift her out of her lower economic status. He’s boring/lame/has no game. He just wants to move up his job, pay his bills, and basically live a drama-free life.

Orrrrr maybe they’ve just never met that guy. And even if they had, attraction would still not have bloomed, for whatever intangible reason, meaning no love and thus, no marriage. Because, you know, lots of women actually want to marry someone they LOVE. Shocking, I know!

(I have a feeling that these guys honestly wouldn’t know love if it leapt up and bit them on the crotch.)

Women dependent on the government (B.D. Govt as you put it) are in that category of drama-lovers. Three kids by two guys, ex-boyfriends are drug addicts/dealers, whatever you prefer, but the takeaway is these women don’t want a less stressful life because they emotionally feed on that drama.

Funny how they think that women who’ve just fallen into a low-status life (or been born into it, thanks to the glories of capitalism) CHOSE it because of “drama”. Dude, nothing is more boring than working a joe job, or having kid after kid with Mr. Wrong after Mr. Wrong because you can’t afford birth control that works well (or an abortion), or being somehow stuck with a shitty dude whose drug dealing and/or habit is eating up your paycheque before it’s even earned. Very little in life is actually CHOSEN. Less so in a life of marginal poverty. And even less so if you’re a feeeeemale. You’d be surprised how few things in women’s lives are entirely their own choice, made with a full slate of things to pick from. In most cases, the choices are either severely limited or totally nonexistent.

‘Course, even with sadly limited choices, a woman still wouldn’t pick these guys, and that says a great deal (none of it flattering) about THEM.

Josh
Josh
8 years ago

I gotta admit, when I first started reading this, I was hoping this guy made a breakthrough. Alas, I was wrong.

Epsilon
Epsilon
8 years ago

@ Bina

Well, we could help those women with severely limited choices by at least sending MRWimps & Men Getting Totally Obsessed with Women* to their own island.

It would make everyone else breathe a little easier.

* I love it!

katz
8 years ago

I don’t have cats and boxed wine. I have wine and boxed cats.

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msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
8 years ago

Wine and boxed cat for the win!

Bina
8 years ago

Boxed kitteh > Men Going Terpy Over Women.

That is all.

kupo
kupo
8 years ago

Love the boxed cat. It’s even appropriately labeled! :3

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
8 years ago

There’s a box with the label “Puma” in my cupboard and now I’m scared to open it.

Epsilon
Epsilon
8 years ago

@Alan

Don’t worry! You’ll probably find a black kitten in there.

Probably.

guy
guy
8 years ago

@Alan

Unless you got it from an xkcd fan, should be fine.

katz
8 years ago

Unless you got it from an xkcd fan, should be fine.

Don’t worry, it’ll just be an office chair.

Here’s another correctly labeled cat.

http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11294605496_b1cdb3b008_b.jpg

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
8 years ago

When we were moving, we had a labelled box with my wife’s fancy boots in them. Our cat, Boots, saw her name and promptly took a nap on it.

Boots apparently had pretty good reading comprehension (better than the average MRA, anyway). The box for the inflatable kayak said “sit-on-top kayak,” so she sat on it.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
8 years ago

Fuck yeah! Jackie and I are hoping we can get together to go see Deadpool because we live kinda close!

Approximate picture of this future:

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Lkeke35
Lkeke35
8 years ago

http://youtu.be/NM8vKTFbMZM

Is this the video you guys are talking about?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
8 years ago

@truth in catvertising

http://i.imgur.com/1AyQb8C.jpg

Tovius
Tovius
8 years ago

That Cat Box is the best!

katz
8 years ago

That cat doesn’t look impressed with being labeled.

Kat
Kat
8 years ago

@Lindsay Irene

New theory: MGTOWs are actually aliens. This would explain why human behavior is so incomprehensible to them.

The pieces of the puzzle that is the Men’s Rights Movement have suddenly fallen into place.

This theory changes everything.

I am awestruck. I am grateful.