Over in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, one recent convert to the MGTOW philosophy admits that there is one thing about the females that’s really baffling.
Namely, why do any of them work, when they could just use their magic hoo-has to snag some poor dude and live off of him, lying on the couch watching Jerry Springer amidst a pile of bon-bon wrappers?
[H]ow does MGTOW explain working women? Why do women work low or pseudo status positions for employers that are primarily public facing? I feel like the women who work at Waffle House / Starbucks / whatever probably have a more consistently stressful time of things than I do working a STEM job, they’re paid less, and they’re burning SMV time working a plebian job.
Why do women work low and pseudo status positions like these? How does MGTOW explain women who opt in to these arrangements when they could likely bf/marry/B.D.Govt their way to a less stressful life?
In case you’re not intimately familiar with misogyny-speak, SMV stands for “Sexual Market Value,” which, these dudes believe, starts declining for women after they hit the ripe old age of 25 or so and start getting all old and ugly. And “B.D.Govt” means “Big Daddy Government,” always ready to help a girl out with some of that sweet, sweet welfare cash.
Happily, the subreddit’s regulars are more than willing to mansplain the puzzling fact of women having jobs.
A fellow called NormanDaNubcaek has a whole long list of reasons.
-They may have squandered their childhood/teen years, already putting them at a disadvantage to serious students
-They don’t want to put in the initial effort getting the proper training (Think instant vs delayed gratification)
-STEM actually requires critical thinking skills
-The job, while perhaps stressful, is regular and simple (more repetitive work vs less work that is more complex)
-Their jobs already have a lot of women, so they just join the pack, or other women recommend them to join
-They already have massive debt from a garbage degree and can’t afford to go back to school
-They used to be supported by a man, but now have to earn their own living until the next guy comes around.
Lostapwbm has a somewhat more detailed explanation, and one that is slightly more rooted in consensus reality, if not always in the rules of grammar.
“Poor women have always had to work,” he writes.
Housewife is typically a role that only the wife of a successful or frugal man, and feminism is a vanity project of rich white women.
So why can’t these Starbucks ladies “bf/marry their way out” of the working world? First, he explains, there’s the problem of man-access.
[T]hey don’t have access to a man of sufficiently higher economic status that she can go from working woman to housewife/lady of the house.
And then of course there is the problem of these women being such stuck up snooty you-know-whats that they can’t appreciate the perfectly decent men right there under their nose ISN’T THAT RIGHT KIMBERLY SOME DAY YOU’LL REALIZE I WAS THERE ALL ALONG WE WERE MEANT TO BE oh whoops.
A lot of women aren’t attracted to the type of man who would lift her out of her lower economic status. He’s boring/lame/has no game. He just wants to move up his job, pay his bills, and basically live a drama-free life.
Well, ok, but what about living off of Big Daddy G?
Women dependent on the government (B.D. Govt as you put it) are in that category of drama-lovers. Three kids by two guys, ex-boyfriends are drug addicts/dealers, whatever you prefer, but the takeaway is these women don’t want a less stressful life because they emotionally feed on that drama.
Wordjedi agrees that these Starbucks baristas are a bunch of stuck up rom-com lovers holding out for some imaginary perfect dude but ha ha the joke’s on them — if they sleep with too many Mr. Right-Nows while waiting for Mr. Right, they’ll get so burned out on dick that something something cats box of wine.
Yeah, I’m having a little trouble summarizing this one. You try:
Remember that women still flock to romcom movies in droves. They still really think mating is equal, that two people who were meant to be together tritely run together through a meadow and embrace.
Until she finds her perfect six figure hunk, a girl’s gotta have some random stiff dick in her now and then, right? Especially when she’s had a few drinks so has an excuse not to give a fuck? ====> hookup culture.
Unfortunately, people give less and less of an (emotional) fuck for each random hookup. Bye bye, perfect romance. She’s bored with dick by the time she meets him, if she ever does. ====> box wine + cats + Starbucks barista 4-evah
The explanaiton proffered by good_man_gone is if anything even less cogent. He starts out by suggesting that any women you see working just weren’t pretty enough to score themselves the high-quality beta bux.
“I never in my life have seen a perfect ten flipping burgers for 7$ /hour,” he declares, with an almost audible wink.
But then he goes on to suggest that almost any gal — even those who are perhaps not that pretty — can find a man dumb enough to marry her up or at least buy her a couple of drinks at closing time amirite fellas?
And still there is plenty of guys out there who will happily marry the 3s or 4s and give them money. Smv is key here. Better looks = more free stuff and money. But fugly chicks get free drinks too you know.
I have to admit I was guilty of that in the past. You know when the pub is about to close and u are hammered and suddenly your brain tells you “go ahead buy her a drink, yeah the fat small chick over there do it”
I guess the real lesson here is to never ask MGTOWs for an explanation of anything.
There’s one thing I wonder… We and a lot of other people who criticize MGTOW say that what they are doing is an attempt at trying to make women feel sorry for not dating them and whatnot (which, for the record, I still think is true), so why haven’t they caught up on that? People have been laughing at their tantrum and expressing that they’re not falling for it for a while now; why do they keep doing it?
@ WWTH
If the Cornish internet was working properly (we’re currently back to early dial up modem speeds) I’d post a clip from ‘Red Dwarf’ where Kryten does his “That was such an important point I though it was worth saying twice” thing 🙂
I don’t know how that ungrateful bitch could have possibly done that. Doesn’t being financially dependent on an angry misogynist sound like the best possible life outcome? Chicks, man. We just don’t know a good thing when we see it.
Can we just admit that MGTOW is short for Men getting Totally Obsessed with Women?
@ Tara
Oh, please can we make that a thing!
So close…
…and yet so far.
[Casually slides this your way]
Hello there! So nice to finally see your username then! 😀 Did someone already link you to the Welcome Package?
Can we just post that video every time we get one of those MGTOWs who just has to come in here and insist they’re so happy now that they’re not clumsily humping/dating/dealing with us hypergamous
bitchesfeeemales?Because that would require them to think about not-people other than their penis.
Fuck yeah! Jackie and I are hoping we can get together to go see Deadpool because we live kinda close! 😀
Or, you know, that women are actually people and have to work shitty jobs for the same reasons men do.
Orrrrr maybe they’ve just never met that guy. And even if they had, attraction would still not have bloomed, for whatever intangible reason, meaning no love and thus, no marriage. Because, you know, lots of women actually want to marry someone they LOVE. Shocking, I know!
(I have a feeling that these guys honestly wouldn’t know love if it leapt up and bit them on the crotch.)
Funny how they think that women who’ve just fallen into a low-status life (or been born into it, thanks to the glories of capitalism) CHOSE it because of “drama”. Dude, nothing is more boring than working a joe job, or having kid after kid with Mr. Wrong after Mr. Wrong because you can’t afford birth control that works well (or an abortion), or being somehow stuck with a shitty dude whose drug dealing and/or habit is eating up your paycheque before it’s even earned. Very little in life is actually CHOSEN. Less so in a life of marginal poverty. And even less so if you’re a feeeeemale. You’d be surprised how few things in women’s lives are entirely their own choice, made with a full slate of things to pick from. In most cases, the choices are either severely limited or totally nonexistent.
‘Course, even with sadly limited choices, a woman still wouldn’t pick these guys, and that says a great deal (none of it flattering) about THEM.
I gotta admit, when I first started reading this, I was hoping this guy made a breakthrough. Alas, I was wrong.
@ Bina
Well, we could help those women with severely limited choices by at least sending MRWimps & Men Getting Totally Obsessed with Women* to their own island.
It would make everyone else breathe a little easier.
* I love it!
I don’t have cats and boxed wine. I have wine and boxed cats.
Wine and boxed cat for the win!
Boxed kitteh > Men Going Terpy Over Women.
That is all.
Love the boxed cat. It’s even appropriately labeled! :3
There’s a box with the label “Puma” in my cupboard and now I’m scared to open it.
@Alan
Don’t worry! You’ll probably find a black kitten in there.
Probably.
@Alan
Unless you got it from an xkcd fan, should be fine.
Don’t worry, it’ll just be an office chair.
Here’s another correctly labeled cat.
http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11294605496_b1cdb3b008_b.jpg
When we were moving, we had a labelled box with my wife’s fancy boots in them. Our cat, Boots, saw her name and promptly took a nap on it.
Boots apparently had pretty good reading comprehension (better than the average MRA, anyway). The box for the inflatable kayak said “sit-on-top kayak,” so she sat on it.
Approximate picture of this future:
http://youtu.be/NM8vKTFbMZM
Is this the video you guys are talking about?
@truth in catvertising
http://i.imgur.com/1AyQb8C.jpg
That Cat Box is the best!
That cat doesn’t look impressed with being labeled.
@Lindsay Irene
The pieces of the puzzle that is the Men’s Rights Movement have suddenly fallen into place.
This theory changes everything.
I am awestruck. I am grateful.