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Men’s Rights Cartoonists Take on Females, Waterfalls, and Today’s Lace Curtain Dominated Media!

Ok, but why is Louis CK wearing a suit?
Ok, but why is Louis CK wearing a suit?

Every Friday is Memeday here on We Hunted the Mammoth. Today, we’re taking a look at some terrible antifeminist cartoons. But not just any terrible antifeminist cartoons: terrible antifeminist cartoons done in the style of old-school editorial cartoons. You know, the kind with stuff all labeled and shit.

I ran across the cartoon above on Reddit yesterday, and it’s an excellent example of this particular genre. My only real disappointment is that the artist didn’t take the time to label the five different balls ‘n’ chains set that poor Louis CK — I assume that’s supposed to be him — has attached to his legs and, in a clever twist, to his right arm.

Given the odds against him he seems weirdly cheerful.

UPDATE: As various people have pointed out, this is an MRA-ized version of a cartoon intended to highlight male privilege. I’ve posted the original at the end of this post, along with a translation of the caption helpfully provided by the original artist. 

Next up is a cartoon that’s been floating around the manosphere for a while; I found it on the Twitter timeline of Hannah Wallen, one of the Honey Badgers and possibly the strangest “thinker” in the Men’s Rights world. (Well, alongside her fellow Honey Badger Alison Tieman.) I think she is the, er, artist here. I may be wrong, but the bizarro world logic of the cartoon is right up her alley.

Could you possibly make the labels more tiny?
Could you possibly make the labels more tiny? (Click on the image for a slightly larger version.)

This next one comes from her blog; presumably she’s the “artist” here as well.

Someone got a labeler for Christmas!
Someone got a labeler for Christmas!

You kind of have to admire the diligence in labeling almost everything in the cartoon that could possibly be labeled. But why not go all out and label absolutely everything? The pants should be labeled pants; the shirts should be labeled shirts; the shoes should be labeled shoes. (If those lumpy things in the foot area are indeed supposed to be shoes.)

I’m a little puzzled as to the meaning of the cartoon, though. Is is supposed to show that women have a harder time on the job because their weirdo bosses make them stand on boxes?

There are fewer labels in this next cartoon, by a Twitterer called @AntiFemComics, but the effect is just as confusing.

Apparently the evil feminists have tied up some mothers, and are sending them down Feminism River to certain death over Life of Regret Falls. What all that is supposed to mean I couldn’t tell you.

And given that the mothers are already tied up, why did the evil feminists need to take their paddles, too? It’s not like the mothers could do any paddling anyway. Feminists are just mean, I guess.

Wat
Wat

Let me end with a cartoon I found a couple of years ago. Sure, I’ve posted it here at least once already. But it’s a stone cold classic!

dggfgfg

Take that, “Today’s Lace Curtain Dominated Media!” How dare you try to silence ALL MALE OPINIONS by hanging these opinions (which are also a dude) while wearing boxes on your heads! During what appears to be a total eclipse of the sun!

Maybe instead of trying to produce editorial cartoons, MRAs should just stick to what they’re good at. Which is nothing.


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Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
4 years ago

I’m not too familiar with this website, but do things actually get debunked or was this an artistic critique?

This is a website that mocks misogyny, with some thoughtful pieces here and there, but mostly to mock. No need to debunk because they’re from MRA sites, and if you peruse the site, you’ll see why.

Welcome, BTW.

davidknewton
4 years ago

As odd as this might seem coming from a man, I would love if it were possible for these antifeminists to genuinely experience what life is like for a woman for a while and see if their imaginations match up to reality. Because from seeing the stuff that I’ve been shown thanks to this site, I can’t imagine that it’s all that easy.

And political cartoons are where metaphor goes to die – some of these are as bad as the Onion’s. The best genuine one I ever saw was a cartoon of the incident where Henry Gates was arrested for entering his own home – and in the depiction the artist had helpfully labelled him with a T-shirt that said “Gates”.

davidknewton
4 years ago

And I went to university with someone who had a “lobster claw” for a left hand. Seriously – he’d been born with some sort of mutant large double-opposable-thumb thing instead of the usual five fingers, and enjoyed scaring people with it when they noticed – but he was so competent with it that I didn’t even notice for the first two years I took classes with him.

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

Lea | January 15, 2016 at 9:00 am
Because moms can’t be feminists or have short or bright hair.

Nope, remember: We hate women making the choice to be stay-at-home mothers or focusing on their children or husbands instead of their careers and government-mandated feminist activism! So saith Katie! [/sarcasm]

But seriously though, for anyone lurking, no, feminists don’t hate stay-at-home moms or people who choose to be mothers (who might also work and stuff). We hate that women are told they have to be mothers and wives (and told that it’d be better if they stayed at home to do it), because that’s their “place”. No one should have a “place” based solely on their gender.

Some women want to be Stay-At-Home Moms, and that’s fine, but some women also don’t want that or don’t want to have kids, and that’s also fine. Feminism has room for all of these.

Bina
4 years ago

I’m still puzzling over that hangman one. How the hell do lace curtains “dominate” the media?

katz
4 years ago

How the hell do lace curtains “dominate” the media?

I guess they might cover your TV?

SpaceLawn
SpaceLawn
4 years ago

Off topic, but i just found out that an artist i really like called Revin Goff, published a song called Yiannopoulos. If Goff is a GG supporter i might just cry :'(

anon
anon
4 years ago

So would an appropriate counter cartoon be a cartoon where the viewer, who has “viewer”‘ labeled on his HIS! shirt, naturally, being beaten with a brick that has “subtlety” written on it while a drawing of the artist who wears a shirt with “artist” written on it has a word bubble that says “I AM BEING CLEVER!”?

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
4 years ago

The first cartoon was plagiarized/edited. Non-creative bigots LOVE taking the material from their opposition and making shitty edits.

re: lobster claws

The hands on those women would be fine if they didn’t have palm lines. -_- Mitten hands for distance models are pretty common. Up close, having an indent in the middle of the palm and the fat pads on the hands emphasised help viewers to read the image of a hand correctly. But at a distance, we don’t really see those details.

I don’t think MRAs can draw very well because drawing, and almost any talent, partially requires the ability to critique yourself and others successfully. From what I know about this group, they can’t do that very well. 😛

@ WeirdwoodTreeHugger- Red hair = “cr*zy feminist” has been around since that one meme of that lady who was filmed arguing with MRAs.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Jackie; currently using they/their, he/his, she/her pronouns)
4 years ago

Hands are hard to draw is all I’m gonna say.

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
4 years ago

Oh oops, I double posted after leaving the “edit” thing alone for too long. Like, hours. Can someone please delete the double?

Bina
4 years ago

I guess they might cover your TV?

I suppose, but that’s kind of defeating the purpose of having one.

magnesium
magnesium
4 years ago

Are Hannah Wallen’s drawings supposed to look like tracings done in MS Paint? They’re awfully wobbly. Maybe she needs a new mouse. Or to clean the Cheeto dust out from around the tracking ball?

@karen Sometimes David goes to the trouble of debunking MRA articles. Sometimes things like their memes are just so nonsensical that there’s nothing there to debunk. A lot of it is really really repetitive. They only have a handful of canned talking points, so after a claim has been debunked 10 or 15 times, all you can really do is just laugh and lose a little more faith in humanity.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Debunking MRA memes, to me, would be like trying to debunk Timecube.

Where would you even start?

MRAs fall into the “so wrong it’s not even wrong” category. There’s just no coherent underlying thread that you could even begin to pick apart.

It would be like cutting a load of random words from a newspaper, throwing them on the floor, looking at the resultant mess and saying “Right, formulate a counter argument to that”.

Fabe
Fabe
4 years ago

@davidknewton

And political cartoons are where metaphor goes to die – some of these are as bad as the Onion’s

At least the Onion’s ones are done bad as a way tto mock far right political cartoons.

AbigailGen
AbigailGen
4 years ago

I see they recycle all the 19th century claptrap about women’s rights and the “non-feminine,” and “evil” women who advocate for those rights. They forgot to include the “atrophying uterus” argument put forth by a Harvard doctor. Oh well. Maybe they’ll have a weird drawing for that next.

I did find the “lace curtain” term and its, uh, twisted meaning.

I found the term coined by that MRA icon and go-to source for all “facts” MRA, Dr. Warren Farrel. According to Farrel, the “media lace curtain” is the attempt by media to shut out opinions that are a threat to feminism.

I want to live in whatever universe that is, in which feminism is respected and reported about honestly. I’m pretty sure that’s not happening in this one; well, at least not in the US media as far as I can tell.

Abigail

suffrajitsu
4 years ago

I thought the person being stomped on in the puppet-holding one was supposed to be a woman. Cuz feminists are controlling the patriarchy to abuse women, because women secretly “want” it…you know what, I’m going to stop before I throw up.

Either that, or that is some seriously inept rendering of facial expressions, to go along with the seriously inept rendering of everything else.

In other news, turns out early humans DID hunt the mammoth!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/01/15/ancient-mammoth-hunt-discovery-puts-humans-in-the-arctic-much-earlier-than-wed-thought/

Bina
4 years ago

I did find the “lace curtain” term and its, uh, twisted meaning.

I found the term coined by that MRA icon and go-to source for all “facts” MRA, Dr. Warren Farrel. According to Farrel, the “media lace curtain” is the attempt by media to shut out opinions that are a threat to feminism.

Pfffft. Since when has the media even reported feminist opinions without sneering about bra-burning and stupid shit that has no bearing on the actual thing? There is no fucking “media lace curtain”, dudes. Just because you’re an even bigger joke to them than we apparently are, doesn’t mean they’re conspiring against you.

Warren Farrell not only obsesses about Dat Ass, he’s got his head way up it. So far that he can literally see nothing else.

Robert
Robert
4 years ago

Any effort of the media that can be read as anything other than “Men rule, girls drool” will be perceived by these blobs of glup as an attack.

“Lace curtain media” makes me think of lace curtain Irish, which is an entirely different thing.

Fred_the_dog
Fred_the_dog
4 years ago

Robert, are you also a fan of The Thirteen Clocks?

Saphira
Saphira
4 years ago

I’m a mother and a feminist, so I’m a bit confused. Would I be in the boat or standing on the banks with lobster claws? Also does the fact that I have red hair factor into the determination?

Contrapangloss
Contrapangloss
4 years ago

Fred, you asking that question makes me think you are a fan of The 13 Clocks.

I approve.

Not that you need my approval, but I approve.

rugbyyogi
rugbyyogi
4 years ago

I read the canoe one as a case where the MRM are saying yeah – we treat mothers shabbily and that darn feminism raised expectations for women, but since we’re such shitty husbands and fathers – you’ll have a lifetime of regret if you breed with us. Regret and resentment you might not have had if you were less aware (but probably would anyway).

Not sure about the crab women, but frankly I’m pretty sure that crab-human hybrids have bigger problems than helping women with shitty husbands.

richardbillericay
richardbillericay
4 years ago

@Bina

“There is no fucking “media lace curtain”, dudes”

That depends on your perspective. If your definition of feminism is “all advances in women’s rights since biblical times” then no doubt an outrageous level of feminist bias is to be seen everywhere.

Lea
Lea
4 years ago

Also, the stay at home mommy and the single working mommy can be the same woman. Its called divorce and it happens. As alimony is not something most residentional parents get, housewifery isn’t exactly a guaranteed permanent gig. People transition in and out of careers, relationships, etc. Children grow up. Things change. So, the idea that women are on opposing teams is ridiculous.

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
4 years ago

Wait, that first cartoon lists “domestic violence” and “sexual harassment” as obstacles for MEN?

As for “higher standard,” that’s been tested repeatedly: send out identical resumes with male and female names, and the man gets the job offer – and at a higher salary.

Hambeast, Social Justice Beastie
Hambeast, Social Justice Beastie
4 years ago

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

Wait, that first cartoon lists “domestic violence” and “sexual harassment” as obstacles for MEN?

You have to understand the way they think* in order to parse this. What they mean is that they have to “overcome” the odious and unfair obstacle of *being accused* of these things, which to them is worse than being the target of them because reasons.

Obviously, to append the lable with the word “accusations” would somehow spoil the satiricalness of the cartoon. Or something.

*Ewwww!

Edited to add the second paragraph

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ hambeast

Don’t rule out the interpretation that they adopt that scale that ‘proves’ men are disproportionally the victims of DV.

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
4 years ago

You know…. that second cartoon… my initial impression was of a terrible accident involving a hundred-foot-tall woman, two electricians, and a ruptured electrical power line.

Same with all the other impressions after that one too. I mean, I have to work to see anything approaching a puppet theater. Nope. Ruptured aerial power lines all over, and they’re getting electrocuted, and Queen Kong figuring into it somehow and…

*trails off, fascinated* Wow.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

@Banananana dakry
Your interpretations are much more fun than the actual cartoons.

(PS – Judging by your nom de net, I’m guessing Pterry fan?)

Deborah Hitchens
Deborah Hitchens
4 years ago

In China Tiger penises are aphrodisiacs but apparently you have to kill them first!

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
4 years ago

@Victorious Parasol

Thank you. I need to get seriously revved up on caffeine and/or sleep deprivation for the really fun stuff though.

And yes! Hallelujah, someone got it! Sometimes you just can’t stop spelling ‘banana’.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Deborah Hitchens

In China Tiger penises are aphrodisiacs but apparently you have to kill them first!

That’s very sad. I say, let those tigers keep their penises. Men can muddle through life — and sex — somehow.

Kat
Kat
4 years ago

@Banananana dakry

I need to get seriously revved up on caffeine and/or sleep deprivation for the really fun stuff though.

As Alan Robertshaw and I have been discussing, a serious lack of sleep can lead to hallucinations. That’s when I know I Have to Go to Bed. (But I don’t necessarily do it. Deadlines!)

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

Grrr, I really hate the trade in animal parts for aphrodisiacs and other pointless ‘remedies’.

In some locations they’ve taken to poisoning rhino horn. That doesn’t harm the rhinos but it hopefully does deter people from using it as an aphrodisiac (they colour the horns so people can’t complain that they weren’t warned)

Unfortunately there’s no way of doing that with tiger penis, bear gallbladders or similar.

For people interested in a very fine woman who’s doing something to stop poaches I recommend you read up, and if possible support, Kinessa Johnson.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ kat

Ha, I was actually able to pause from work earlier this evening, but in typical style, I’m now beyond sleep.

Did mean I could have a fascinating series of discussions with pandapool and others though.

Amelie
Amelie
4 years ago

I just wanted to give a heads up that the top photo used was originally created by Swedish illustrator Emanu who actually made it a feminist meme. His logo has been wiped off and the illustration has been edited to the worse.

Rannvá
Rannvá
4 years ago

The first picture is a really bad photoshop of a feminist cartoonist work named Emanu.

The characters are looking at each other in the original, that the man is looking out of the picture in this edit is so weird. The obstacles are copypasted and there is still residue of the shackle the woman wore in the original.

Here’s the original https://www.facebook.com/EmanuSatir/photos/a.1448285185400430.1073741829.1447146102181005/1483678588527756/?type=3&theater

And here is the article it was illustrated for http://fulskratt.blogspot.se/2014/05/positivt-tankande-kan-inte-andra-pa.html

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

@Saphira:
As far as I know, women who don’t fit into one UND PRECISELY VON neat box are committing misandry. If you’re a mother then you should stop having red hair and cease your feminism. For shame.

/s, needless to say.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 years ago

@Banananana dakry Spelling it or saying it. (And have you ever imagined how much fun Nanny Ogg would have with MRAs or PUAs?)

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
4 years ago

@Victorious Parasol

Ohhh yes. I just thought of the idea, and all I got back from my brain was ‘EPIC MINDFUCK’ in gigantic flashing letters. Epic, EPIC mindfuck.

Granny Weatherwax would just put the fear of herself into them, because often the gods just didn’t follow through on that.

@Alan Robertshaw

So much of this makes me so angry. So many beautiful animals being poached and pushed to the point of extinction, just so some impotent rich guy gets a fraudulent cure for his boner.

@Kat

I am a chronic night owl. My body simply doesn’t seem to know when to sleep sometimes. Reality gets in the way most of the time, but sometimes the good thing about late nights is you can drown out the voices that hinder creativity, both externally and that damned internal self-censor.

Alan Robertshaw
4 years ago

@ Bananana….

Yeah, I’m able to keep a sense of detachment on just about everything but stuff like this, grrrrr!

I can’t really discuss this any further without breaching the site rules, but you can probably guess my feelings.

katz
4 years ago

Rannvá: Don’t worry, people already noticed that. (Although David might want to put a note in the OP.)

Fred_the_Dog
Fred_the_Dog
4 years ago

Contrapangloss: Yes, indeed! I am a huge fan of The Thirteen Clocks! 🙂

dustwolves
dustwolves
4 years ago

Politics aside, I will always love incompetent cartoon edits. They just try so hard to make sense, and fail. Look at those copypasta crocodiles resized and placed more or less at random in the first one. And the composition of the first clipart collage is actually pretty awesome, even if I have no idea what the cartoonist is trying to say.