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Honey Badger Legal Strategy Hampered by Propensity of Time to Run Forwards

Time keeps on slippin, slippin, slippin
Time keeps on slippin, slippin, slippin

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The ongoing tragicomedy that is the Honey Badger Brigade’s Calgary Expo lawsuit continues to get even more tragicomical! Well, not so much the “tragic” bit, just that “comical” part.

The last time we checked in with the Brigade — that GamerGate-loving, feminist-hating gang of mostly lady YouTube blabbers — they had filed some sort of legal document charging the people in charge of the Calgary Expo with some kind of bad wrongness for tossing them out of the aforementioned Calgary Expo back in April.

They also charged The Mary Sue, a website in the United States that actually has no power over the staff of any expos in Calgary or indeed anywhere else in Canada, with somehow contributing to or causing the expulsion.

Well, The Mary Sue has responded to the Brigade’s legal filing, and the response is a doozy. Happily, the Honey Badgers have put it online for us all to enjoy.

The Mary Sue’s lawyer begins by pointing out that they are — ahem! — headquartered in New York, which is pretty clearly not located in Alberta, Canada, where the lawsuit was filed. (I am reliably informed that Canada is actually a whole other country from us.)

Then The Mary Sue’s lawyer gently reminded the court — and, more to the point, the Honey Badgers — that TIME MOVES FORWARD, not backwards, and that an article that appeared after the Honey Badgers were tossed from the Expo could not have caused them to be tossed from the Expo.

In regard to breach of contract, this claim is not just unfounded, but it is simply impossible based on the timeline of events. The Mary Sue could not have induced the Calgary Expo (“the Expo”) to evict Plaintiff because the aforementioned article was published after Plaintiff’s eviction.

Yep. Apparently the Honey Badger’s fancy disbarred lawyer got the dates mixed up. But hey, the law isn’t about these little details.

There’s more to The Mary Sue’s response, but that’s pretty much the best bit, in this Time-Space continuum at least.

Yesterday, Hannah Wallen of the Honey Badgers — she’s the one who isn’t Karen Straughan or Alison Tieman — posted their official response to the Mary Sue’s letter. It did not mention what we can only call the Honey Badger Time Paradox, but instead tried to distract readers with some new charges against the dastardly Mary Sue.

Mary Sue claims a lack of involvement in Calgary Expo’s choice to expel the Honey Badgers from the event. However, in response to questions on twitter following our expulsion, the expo’s staff referenced The Mary Sue’s article about the event.

Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.

The Mary Sue’s prior and existing relationship with Calgary Expo is further demonstrated by an April 15th article promoting the Mary Sue sponsored cosplay contest which was to take place at the event.

Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.

Mary Sue weekend editor Sam Maggs was the first person to respond to Britany le Blanc’s first tweet objecting to “MRAs in the audience” at the women into comics panel.

Ok, but the Mary Sue article was published after the expulsion, so it could not have caused the expulsion.

Sorry, Ms. Wallen, but your little sleight of hand is no more effective than this dude’s not-quite-flawless disappearing act.

Just a reminder: the Honey Badgers raised more than $30,000 to cover the legal costs of their patently ludicrous lawsuit.

In my last post I noted that

MRAs and other antifeminists … have wasted literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on causes and projects and people that have pissed away their money without accomplishing anything of value … .

This would be one of those causes.

If you’ve got money burning a hole in your wallet, here’s a much better option:

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Kestrel
Kestrel
4 years ago

@DS – I believe the honey badger part of the name references this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

dlouwe
dlouwe
4 years ago

Why can’t MRAs ever be concise?

I imagine they feel that everything they put out is just so brilliant that they can’t bear to cut any of it. Given the general manospherian track record for poor self-awareness and delusions of grandeur, it certainly fits the pattern.

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

@ dlouwe

You know, I think that’s exactly the reason. That, and they might also be too lazy to cut anything, in between not doing activism and not doing any activism.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

the honey badgers are NOT part of AVFM.

This takes No True MRA to dizzying new heights. They are literally on Elam’s payroll, bro. Like, Tieman is listed as their assistant managing editor, one of AVFM’s few staff titles important enough to exist in real life. You’d actually have better luck claiming that Elam’s left leg isn’t part of AVFM; at least his leg isn’t a regular contributor.

And now, a message from my cat: 0pppppppppppppppppppkkkkkkkkkkkkk,,k

Hey, still makes more sense than Kool-Aid’s desperate denials.

Moocow
Moocow
4 years ago

@nparker

I couldn’t stop laughing when I saw that one. It was like they had subconsciously admitted that there was no chance HBB would ever win a lawsuit so they settled for “well… at least we forced them to spend money! That’s a win, right guys?”

@bluecat

But Jeb Bush went back too and killed Baby Hitler, so none of that Second World War stuff people keep having recurring nightmares about actually happened and so Obama failed to help him rise.

Actually, I’m pretty sure it was Kung Fury who, with the help of powerglove-wielding Hackerman and his new partner Triceracop, went back in time to kill the Kung Fuhrer with the help of Odin’s sexy boobs.

@Aunt Alias

Just got home so I was able to take a look. Well, that explains a lot, especially why purple and green are plastered across anything GG related. Also, the fact that these HBB supporters can look at that “piccolo dick” gif and go “yeah, that’s totally not a rape scene at all” is ludicrous.

Oh, and that article ends with a link right back to here, and specifically David’s article on Vivian James:

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/25/today-in-gamergate-entitled-manchildren-use-manic-pixel-dream-girl-as-their-shield-again/

Hadn’t read that one!

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Why can’t MRAs ever be concise?

If brevity is the soul of wit, than I guess MRAs are witless.

Sounds about right to me.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

Some honey badgers are also involved with AVFM. The groups aren’t linked apart from that.

Alison and Karen have both said they have nothing to do with AVFM anymore. Paul obviously just kept their names and photos on his website because they are popular.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
4 years ago

Some honey badgers are also involved with AVFM. The groups aren’t linked apart from that.

Is this the MRA version of a zen koan? Or perhaps they’re Schrödinger’s Morons, they both work for and don’t work for AVFM as long as the wave function remains unobserved?

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

The honey badgers are a separate group.

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

@ orange tango drinker

Ah, backtracking and goalpost shifting, disguising the terribly obvious hypocrisy in calling others ‘liars’! That’s never been done by MRAs before!

Stop backtracking and goalpost shifting. That may fool your MRA friends, but people exist outside of such groups who are not so willingly thick.

‘Schrodinger’s Morons’- now that’s a name!

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

in the video, i posted they explain how they are a separate group. Its right at the start of the video.

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

Aren’t ya goin’ to address the facts stated by about ten comments?

Antisocialite
Antisocialite
4 years ago

MRAs and other antifeminists have wasted all that money because they don’t stand for anything other than being resentful that other people have choices they don’t want them to have, and because the “leaders” are a bunch of shysters trying to make a living off of doing nothing.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

honey badgers are not part of AVFM. They are a separate group, thats all.

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

@ Antisocialite

The manosphere is basically a collection of scams, really.
That money really could go to better things- doesn’t even have to be charity, even just nice things for oneself. They never cotton onto the fact.

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

@ orange tango drinker

Nope, sorry- next answer.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Orange tango drinker,

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hugseverycat
hugseverycat
4 years ago

I am “bloody bugger all” to do with the cats that live in my apartment. They are separate animals from me.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

why do you think the honey badgers are part of AVFM? its a separate group! Karen and Alison have nothing to do with AVFM anymore!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

why do you think the honey badgers are part of AVFM? its a separate group! Karen and Alison have nothing to do with AVFM anymore!

Cool story, bro.

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

Oh dear.

Someone’s still at the Kool-Aid.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

You havent said WHY you think the honey badgers are part of AVFM

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

Someone’s missed quite a few comments.

Stop badgering us- ged it? Badger, cos- Honey Badgers- never mind.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
4 years ago

We have always been at war with Eastasia!

nparker
nparker
4 years ago

Right, everyone who isn’t orange-red pepsi inhaler, I’m off for now (its 3:10 in the morning for me! I’m not tired, buuut I will be.)

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

“the HBB writes articles for AVFM, they went to the 2014 conference hosted by AVFM and at least one of them gave a presentation (Karen Straughan), AVFM links and/or hosts their videos, they promote AVFM, and they’re practically sleeping together.

If Sage Gerard is still claiming to be a Honey Badger, he’s listed right on the AVFM masthead as are Karen Straughan and Alison Tieman. Nice try; no cigar.”

they are two separate groups, an individual can be part of two separate groups can’t they? I pointed out that they are separate groups because people are acting like the HB are subset of AVFM, but they are SEPARATE GROUPS.

Karen and Alison are not involved with AVFM at all anymore.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/HoneyBadgerBite/status/596374480609357824

“There’s nothing wrong with being affiliated but we’re not; AVfM’s not responsible for us nor are we for them”

Snow Leopard
Snow Leopard
4 years ago

I hate how these assholes give such a bad name to what are awesome animals. Honey badgers and gators are too cool to be compared to these wastes of oxygen.

They should be called what they are: obnoxious bags of flesh. The whole lot of them. That is a more accurate description of these people and covers a range of demographics including MRAs, gamergaters, MGTOWers, anti-feminists, you name it.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
4 years ago

Who are you trying to protect?

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Notice how David never claimed the HBs were an offshoot of AVFM. This whole slew of posts was kicked off by one comment from Dhag.

katz
4 years ago

I hate how these assholes give such a bad name to what are awesome animals. Honey badgers and gators are too cool to be compared to these wastes of oxygen.

New rule: If you want to name your group after an animal, you must first defeat it in hand-to-hand combat.

I’ll be rounding up some rabid puppies.

katz
4 years ago

And now, a message from my cat: 0pppppppppppppppppppkkkkkkkkkkkkk,,k

MESSAGE RECEIVED

PROCEEDING TO NEXT PHASE OF INVASION

Shaenon
4 years ago

Not going to watch the video because I don’t want YouTube recommending me anti-feminist videos for the next several weeks, but what is it with different anti-feminist sub groups so vigorously denying any association with other anti-feminist sub groups? You all have the same views and you often praise each other. Until someone outside the manosphere mixes the groups up and it’s all pearl clutching and denial.

You get the same thing over in the ridiculous right-wing efforts to brigade the Hugo Awards. There are two groups with almost identical names promoting almost identical voting slates and posting indistinguishable rants about the liberal menace, but for some reason everyone in these groups thinks it’s very, very important to establish that they’re different. Like someone is going to respond, “Oh, you’re the reactionaries who want rocket stories to reserved for straight white Christian men because you’re religious fundamentalists? I thought you were the reactionaries who want rocket stories to be reserved for straight white Christian men because you’re religious fundamentalists and white supremacists! Of course I’ll join your group!”

Like, Tieman is listed as their assistant managing editor, one of AVFM’s few staff titles important enough to exist in real life.

Have you noticed that the women on the AVFM masthead are mostly assistants and/or have jobs that suggest they actually do something, whereas the men have all made up titles for themselves like “Supreme Tyrant God-Emperor of Propaganda and Having a Very Large Penis”?

Paradoxical Intention
4 years ago

“But, you said something that wasn’t true! Here’s a video I made that proves it!”

Dude, if you can put it in a video, you can just tell us outright. None of us want to watch your video, or have it in our YouTube history.

What is it with the MRM and wanting to make us sit through rant videos? Is it solely because they want more views, or what?

As for the “Honey Badgers/AVfM” issue, if Tieman and Straughn are still on AVfM’s payroll, and are labeled on the site, they’re still involved with AVfM.

No one here but dhag said they were the same group, but their beliefs are pretty much aligned with one another.

Now, here’s a question for you: Why are you so concerned if people say that they’re similar groups or that they’re related to one another because of staff and moral overlap?

Why do you have to raise a huge fuss about it, make a video, and try to force us to watch it?

erica, ascendant
4 years ago

Saying that an MRA (and feMRAs are MRAs too, as that’s the next hair the MRBM always splits) isn’t “involved” with AVfM even though they keep showing up on things involved with them is like saying the White Citizens’ Council isn’t the KKK because the overlap isn’t complete.

And, hey, they’re both patriarchal almost exclusively white organizations devoted to intimidation and hate, who claim to represent a “silent majority” that just doesn’t exist, so it’s kind of the same thing.

HeinzD
HeinzD
4 years ago

orange tango drinker, this is what you sound like:

‘Judean People’s Front’. We’re the People’s Front of Judea! ‘Judean People’s Front’.

Contrapangloss
Contrapangloss
4 years ago

Heinz, I just have to let you know how much I love your nym.

I’ve been humming the jingle nonstop. Or I would be, if I wasn’t coughing all the time (stupid cold) but…

LindsayIrene
4 years ago

It was only back in September that Karen Straughan was sad because she wasn’t invited to Paul Elam’s AVfM party where they discussed the state of Amanda Marcotte’s feminine hygiene.

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EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
4 years ago

New rule: If you want to name your group after an animal, you must first defeat it in hand-to-hand combat.

Does… does this mean I can never have a group named after an extinct animal? There goes my hope of forming the Apatosaurus League.

msexceptiontotherule
msexceptiontotherule
4 years ago

In a way, the honey badgers have been doing for AVFM/GG/MRAs something kind of like the less popular but academically gifted who always have their assignments ready on time might do when the stars of the HS sports team/cheerleaders who don’t care about grades until the last minute asks to ‘borrow their notes’….if this were one of Hugh’s 80’s movies about teenagers.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

“Now, here’s a question for you: Why are you so concerned if people say that they’re similar groups or that they’re related to one another because of staff and moral overlap?”

That doesn’t concern me. I care about accuracy. People keep saying that they are part of AVFM which is not true. They are separate groups and always have been. HBB is not a sub group within AVFM like people here seem to think.

Frank Torpedo
4 years ago

@Hippodameia

Frank Torpedo
4 years ago

@PI

Now, here’s a question for you: Why are you so concerned if people say that they’re similar groups or that they’re related to one another because of staff and moral overlap?

Because he, she, or they are an MRA or an MRA-sympathist attempting to do a PR gig with us, wherein he/she/they apologizes for the MRA cause and attempts to detangle the various MRA cells from each other, which isn’t working at all because their attempts to do so are pathetically transparent and obvious.

The poorly chosen deflection tactic of striving for Accuracy seems rather like a random non-sequitur, as well as an irrelevant detail further proving that they are just trying to deflect, because it doesn’t fucking matter if they’re all from different groups, nor does it matter which group is which – they all espouse the same ideology.

It’s like splitting hairs over whether the SS was worse than the Luftwaffe; it doesn’t matter, they are all fucking Nazis.

guy
guy
4 years ago

The phrase used was “associated with”, which has a different meaning. Please be more accurate in the future.

weirwoodtreehugger
weirwoodtreehugger
4 years ago

Who are all these people who keep saying the HBs are a subgroup of AVFM? Dhag said they were associated. That’s it. The rest of us are just bemused at your freak out over it, orange tango. But sure, it’s actually about accuracy in blog commenting. Whatever.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

Margaret Pless says that the HBs are a sub group of AVFM even though she has been corrected many times

Moocow
Moocow
4 years ago

they are two separate groups, an individual can be part of two separate groups can’t they? I pointed out that they are separate groups because people are acting like the HB are subset of AVFM, but they are SEPARATE GROUPS.

Karen and Alison are not involved with AVFM at all anymore.

That doesn’t concern me. I care about accuracy. People keep saying that they are part of AVFM which is not true. They are separate groups and always have been. HBB is not a sub group within AVFM like people here seem to think.

Your honor, there’s a contradiction in the witness’s testimony.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
4 years ago

Moocow has spoken! Walter shall bow before his superiority! Other men will as well. According to Walter anyways.

I think orange tango drinker will need to discuss how hierarchies among men are formed before we can continue further!

(Come on, it’d be funnier that this.)

Teiresias
Teiresias
4 years ago

So let me get this straight: an article published after the fact is supposed to be evidence of prior collusion? That’s tinfoil hat logic, that is. Right up there with the people who come up with these elaborate “codes” that are supposed to indicate that Shakespeare didn’t write his plays.

orange tango drinker
orange tango drinker
4 years ago

“Your honor, there’s a contradiction in the witness’s testimony.”

That is not a contradiction, the groups were always separate. If you start up a group while you are already doing volunteer work at a different group, it does not mean they are not two separate groups.

Just because they started the HBs while they were involved with AVFM it doesn’t make it an offshoot of AVFM! the 3 women who started the HBs (Karen, Alison and Hannah) were friends before they were involved with AVFM anyway! They didn’t even meet through AVFM! LOL!