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Bathtub orator Jordan Owen responds to critics of The Sarkeesian Effect Trailer with funny voices, mansterics

If their reaction to the widespread mockery of The Sarkeesian Effect trailer is any indication, the two biggest critics of the “critic who cannot be criticized” cannot handle much in the way of criticism. Davis Aurini, the Nazi-er of the two Sarkeesian Effect auteurs, has been blocking the critics on his Youtube channel, evidently oblivious to the ironies. Jordan Owen, the one with the hair, has been yelling into his computer and putting the results up on Youtube. (See above.)

I wouldn’t really recommend watching the entire 18-minute-plus video, in which Owen, bristling with anger, reads out his response to a two-week-old piece in the Houston Press making fun of the trailer, unless you have some sort of fetish for long-winded long-haired dudes talking in silly “Valley Girl” voicesmaking fun of the spelling of people’s names, literally screeching about the “racism and sexism” allegedly faced by white dudes, and generally making no fucking sense whatsoever (while gratuitously working the n-word into their rants).

Seriously, just watch the bits I’ve linked to in the paragraph above and you’ll have a pretty good taste of the whole thing. Or read the rather amusing (and accurate) executive summary prepared by one anti-gamergater here.

The skin, it is a bit thin, no?

Here’s the original Sarkeesian Effect Trailer.

Oh, wait, that was my version. Here’s the one by Owen and Aurini.

And in case you didn’t get that “bathtub orator” reference in the title, this will explain it.

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Ellesar
Ellesar
5 years ago

I clicked on a random blog on Misogyny Central, and I think Venny must have read the same thing, as it pretty much said exactly what s/he said. Or maybe racists just have a hivemind?!

brooked
5 years ago

I can believe you guys have the patience to run in circles with Venny.

@Venny
You can’t discuss racism in a vacuum, are you asking if white people can be victims of racism in present day America? It’s not like there’s some theorem that measures racism throughout human history. You’re discussing racism like your a space alien who has several dictionaries and an aversion to the words “far” and “left”.

What percentage of people do you think would look at that newspaper headline and think “thats not what racist means, those killers were prejudiced but not racist” ? not very many people, right? most people wouldn’t even give the headline any thought because the vast majority of people take for granted that racism includes all races.

Who are these people? If you can’t be more specific there’s no point to this. A good amount of posters here aren’t American.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Pandapool,
It isn’t that the traditional “magic” mushrooms are kidney killers. (That I know of) It’s that you need to know for sure what you’ve got. I don’t know much about hallucinogenic mushrooms. I just know morel gatherers risk eating false morels and that is why I’m too scared to go morel hunting.

A woman I know ate some mushrooms she found without knowing what they were. She says they were delicious. She also spent the night vomiting. She’s bad at life choices. She’s lucky though. Some mushrooms taste fine and you feel fine for a few days. Then you die.

I did go to school with a guy who made a flying potion and ended up on dialysis with heart problems in his early 20s. I don’t know what all he used or how many times he did it without getting hurt, but it eventually did a number on him. He shared it with his friends and to my knowledge none of them were harmed. I don’t think they knew the risks they were taking. It was novel and they were into new experiences.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

Some mushrooms taste fine and you feel fine for a few days. Then you die.

ಠ_ಠ

Well, it’s a good thing I’m not…well, no, I’m still curious about them. They’re illegal here, though, so that concerns me. I also don’t like to get drunk so I’m not even sure if I’d like to get any sort of high.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Pandapool,
It’s illegal here too. I’m still going to try them one day when I am older and have that kind of time. Being high for that long doesn’t sound fun (Honestly, at this point in my life feeling any chemical high for any amount of time sounds un-fun.) but one of these days I’m going to give it a whirl. Maybe in my 60’s? That’s far enough away that I can imagine I’ll be ready then. I dunno. My brother once compared psilocybin mushrooms to acid by saying, “Shrooms pick your pockets for loose change. Acid just picks you up and shakes it out.” I never tried either, so I’ll take his word for it.

venny
venny
5 years ago

@ellesar
“Or maybe racists just have a hivemind?!”

I haven’t said anything racist, just that the definition of racism in dictionaries is the correct one, How is that racist? What have I said that is racist?

@brooked
“are you asking if white people can be victims of racism in present day America”

NO.

“Who are these people? If you can’t be more specific there’s no point to this. A good amount of posters here aren’t American.”

People in general. I am not American either, I am from the UK. I am also half black. Do you think most people in the UK would look at that newspaper headline and say it is incorrect? I’m telling you no they would not.That is not a right wing newspaper either, it is a left wing paper.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

*marks off #NOTYOURSHIELD on the troll bingo card*

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

The Daily Record is a Scottish tabloid which associates itself with left-wing politics and opposes Scottish separatism. That said, it does take a very unpleasantly xenophobic attitude when it comes to immigrants, especially Islamic immigrants. It’s quite popular, especially in Glasgow, but taking it as your primary source of news is a worrying sign.

On the other hand, and Venny you may not be aware of this, claiming that the dictionary definition of a thing like racism applies is often considered to be a racist talking point on the internet. We refer to it as “dictionary racism” and tend to mock it.

I’m white and live in London so I’m not going to tell a mixed-race Scot what to believe when it comes to racism. You’ve doubtless experienced more of it than I have, and so you probably know more than anyone else how pervasive and insidious it is.

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

Wait, the Daily Mail is a Scottish tabloid with xenophobic attitude towards Islamic immigrants? Like, the exact xenophobic attitude that the far right in the U.S. has?

Compare the story venny posted (which is horrific and those men deserve to be punished, I’m not disputing that) with their coverage of the recent shooting in the U.S.:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3129109/South-Carolina-church-shooter-captured.html

Try harder, venny. You’re kind of proving our point here for us.

venny
venny
5 years ago

@sparky
“Compare the story venny posted (which is horrific and those men deserve to be punished, I’m not disputing that) with their coverage of the recent shooting in the U.S.:”

No, the link I posted was from the Daily Record, not the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is a very right wing newspaper based in London.

@EJ(The other one)

“On the other hand, and Venny you may not be aware of this, claiming that the dictionary definition of a thing like racism applies is often considered to be a racist talking point on the internet. We refer to it as “dictionary racism” and tend to mock it.”

No I was not aware of this, the reason I used the dictionary definition is because it matches up with the way I have always seen the word used and also because this is a feminist website and I often see feminists using certain dictionary definitions as proof that feminism is all about equality. Now I don’t know if anybody on this website has done this but if anybody has then it is hypocritical to say the definition of the word “racism” in dictionaries is wrong.

I have given more thought to the definition of racism and I agree that the definitions I provided were not good enough, because a lot of what I would consider racism may not be included. I, and I think most people think of it as racism when somebody is treated worse based on their race alone, that does not have to be because somebody considers their race inferior, Still people on this comment board would not call that racist if it affects white people.

Somebody on this comment board said that a distinction should be made between institutional racism and social racism which could include white people and I think it was Lea who said no, that the social racism that can include white people is not racism but simply prejudice. Well like I said already, pretty much everyone I know would consider that racism still. I don’t agree that is only an ultra conservative far right view, I am not from a far right background, my parents only ever voted Labour, most people I have ever known personally who has told me who they voted for have voted Labour and the rest for Lib Dems, or Green Party. I have only ever voted Labour except once for the Socialist Labour Party. But yeah I know that pretty much everyone I know would call it racism if a white person

“I’m white and live in London so I’m not going to tell a mixed-race Scot what to believe when it comes to racism. You’ve doubtless experienced more of it than I have, and so you probably know more than anyone else how pervasive and insidious it is.”

I am not actually Scottish, I used that link because I remembered when that story was in the mainstream media, all of the major papers referred to it as “racist” so I just wanted to use an example of a mainstream newspaper and that was the first link that came up. All I know about the Daily Record is that it is a Scottish newspaper that supports the Labour party so it is not ultra right wing conservative at all like one user here claimed somebody must be to class something that happened to a white person as racist.

I grew up in London myself and I think I have experienced a lot of racism, mostly from police from my mid teens onwards. I think some of that is due to the fact that I grew up in an expensive, affluent neighbourhood and when I started going out at night I would often get stopped and questioned and sometimes searched by police just walking down my own street, only one time they used racist language against me but the fact that it only ever happened to me and not the rest of my friends from the area who were white proved to me it was racist.

There were times I was stopped by cops late at night on my way home from a night out that police initially didn’t believe me when I said I lived in the neighbourhood. For example there was this one time when I was about 18 or possibly just turned 19, I was on my way home from a club in the west end with my girlfriend who was black and my mate who was black, my girlfriend and my mate didn’t live in the area and would sleep at my house after a night out, we just got off the night bus and crossed the road and some cops droved by and shouted at us to stop and then 3 of them got out of one car and one got in my face and said “where are you going?” I said I was going home and he said “where is home?” I pointed to my parents house and said ” I live just there” and they all laughed and he said “If thats your house, then I bet you have the keys to let yourself in” I said yes and then they followed me to my house and stood behind me while I opened the door. There were a lot of incidences like that.

I haven’t lived in that area for a while now, I moved away when I was 20 to go to university in Leeds, I didn’t feel any racism there,Uni that was the best time of my life(not that racism ruined my life in London, I just took certain things for granted and got used to them), after I finished Uni, I stayed an extra year cos I loved Leeds and a lot of my mates stayed there but then I moved to Lincoln with my girlfriend who was from there and I experienced a different type of racism. 3 times in the street I had random low lifes calling me racist names in the street and trying to start fights with me, i’d never had that before. I just ignored them and keep moving, also her family were racist against me and used racist language which I had never heard people use openly in front of me before I moved there.

I used to think my experiences in London was down to living in a rich area because I would often go to crap hole areas of London that were full of black people to see friends or family or get my hair done as I used to always have my hair cane rowed. And i never was even spoken to by police in these places, only in my own area or similar places seeing friends or girlfriends in other wealthy parts of London.

Since I moved back to London when I was about 25 I have mostly lived in cheap shit hole areas in order to save up money and live as cheaply as possible without resorting to moving to my parents house. I have had so many bad experiences with the police since then, even though I live in a white crap hole area on the outskirts of London, I have much more shitty experience with the cops then when I was a youth in a multiracial wealthy area of central London, not that my original neighbourhood was full of blacks but it is a lot more multiracial then where I live now. My mates in my area are mostly white and lived around here their whole lives but never got stopped by the cops. They don’t even want to walk down the streets with me if they have drugs in their pocket because they know I am a magnet for cops at night.

My intention was not to whine about racism faced by white people, all my life I have noticed white people not noticing racism that I take for granted, even when I was in Leeds there were situations at parties were some guy was ranting on about how racism is all hype and then I would butt in and say they were wrong and the fella would confidently ask for examples and I could easily give recent examples from going back home and all of a sudden the guy would be all apologetic and admitting their ignorance.

I have seen both sides, I have lived in wealthy areas and also some bottom of the barrel shit hole areas and in both situations there were white people living side by side who were oblivious to how black people are treated by the cops because they are exempt from all that, they sometimes understood by having black mates. Not through personal experience.

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/charleston-church-shooting-recap-updates-5903305

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/charleston-church-shooting-police-arrest-5907795

Oops, I did post the Mail. My bad. Here’s two for the price of one, then, to atone.

Notice, despite being a racist crime committed by a racist man, this point isn’t labored upon like it is in venny’s article. It’s not “racist!!!!! crime committed by racist!!!! white man.” My point still stands.

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

And look, venny, you started this by supporting Jordan Owen’s claim that he, a white American man, is the victim of racism and sexism. In America, we’ve just had this horrific racist shooting. It is a racist hate crime. It is a racist act of terrorism. It is part of a pattern of racist violence in America. The media coverage is also part of a pattern of excusing and obfuscating and displacing blame whenever a white man commits an act of violence. It’s never the white man’s fault; he’s either “cr*zy” or couldn’t get laid, or “black people are violent scary thugs” or “the b*tch had it coming.” This is how it is. And for Jordan Owen to claim he’s the victim of racism and sexism for being criticized on the Internet is more than preposterous, it’s a big ol’ slap in the face to people who face violence from white men, and who are blamed for white men’s violence when they do. So just stop what you’re doing here. Just stop it.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

If the average white man has a hangnail and you have a bullet wound he’s still going to complain that he’s got it worse.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

Huh. I thought Venny was a one-thread wonder, but no, I was surfing through random old threads and stumbled upon another one (which blows all of his quarter-assed claims about “I’m totally not What About Teh Whitez-ing! Just making a point about DEFINITIONS!” out of the water, because he admits to being a #GamerGater). Guess he’s just not very memorable.

Moocow
Moocow
5 years ago

@Lea

I’ve had experiences :). Mushrooms will make you feel nauseous but give a lot of crazy visual distortions (weed helps deal with the nauseous). Acid is more mental, giving you more introspection. It’s a fascinating experience, you basically ‘lose control’ of your own consciousness a bit.

The effects vary but I feel like acid is easier to take. It doesn’t make you feel as nauseous so it’s easier to have a good time. Just make sure you’re in a good setting, the biggest risk for acid is that your feelings will get amplified so if you get scared or upset, you’ll want to take a moment to calm yourself down.

Lea
Lea
5 years ago

Moocow,
Thanks for the info.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 years ago

@ Lea and @ Moocow

There were some interesting experiments with LSD back in the days it was being touted as the ultimate panacea for treating mental health conditions.

In one they had three groups, none with experience of taking acid. They got each group to sign a waiver. However the effects described in the waivers were different for each group. So one group got told that the effects only lasted half and hour and were quite mild, another was told the effects lasted a few hours and were moderately severe, the last group was told the effects lasted a long time and included wild hallucinations etc.

What is interesting is that each group reported the experience they’d been told to expect. It’s as if acid opens up some potential in the human mind but that potential can be controlled, if even only unconsciously.

On my few trippy experiences (was more into the weed myself) I found that I could indeed control the experience. I could switch on and off the effects at will.

It does give some fascinating insight into how the human mind works. The brain is clearly capable of processing more input than our sense organs can transmit. The classic example I suppose being able to see new colours.

Shrooms are nice too of course. I recommend a decent Temporella to go with them.

brooked
5 years ago

@Venny

I have given more thought to the definition of racism and I agree that the definitions I provided were not good enough, because a lot of what I would consider racism may not be included. I, and I think most people think of it as racism when somebody is treated worse based on their race alone, that does not have to be because somebody considers their race inferior, Still people on this comment board would not call that racist if it affects white people.

Somebody on this comment board said that a distinction should be made between institutional racism and social racism which could include white people and I think it was Lea who said no, that the social racism that can include white people is not racism but simply prejudice. Well like I said already, pretty much everyone I know would consider that racism still.

Why do you care how we define racism? While racism is discussed here often, this is a board focused on online misogyny. You keep badgering everyone to explain what they think racism is, despite the fact that everyone gave you their opinions on the topic days ago. You disagree and think whites experience racism. Fine, then there’s nothing left to discuss.

Racism is a very complex topic, why don’t you go research it yourself instead of asking us the same question over and over again. People here aren’t required to provide you with an online lecture course on the subject. Go ask Google.

Here’s a pretty basic article discussing different definitions of racism:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2009/09/a_primer_on_racism.html

Move on.