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Still fuming over their expulsion from the Calgary Expo, the Honey Badgers demand justice. And money. Lots of money.

The Honey Badgers at A Voice for Men's conference last summer
The Honey Badgers at A Voice for Men’s conference last summer

The Honey Badger Brigade — the all-female-except-not-really gaggle of antifeminist YouTubers — has been raising money, and quite a lot of it, to pay their possible legal bills as they seek “legal redress” against the Calgary Expo for booting them from the event.

So far they’ve raised nearly $14,000 of their goal of $40,000, which they say “will be used for legal costs and costs directly related to our ejection from the Calgary Comics and Entertainment Expo,” whatever that means. That gives them some wiggle room.  As “victims” go, they’re pros.

On the group’s fundraising page, the Badgers accuse the Expo of tossing them out

due to our Men’s Rights Activism and unpopular view of modern feminism. Therefore it is our belief that the actions taken by the Calgary Expo staff were of a political nature and contravene the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, in particular freedom of conscience, freedom of thought and freedom of association.

Apparently this is one of the most important civil right struggles of our time.

While the Expo hasn’t given a clear reason for why the Honey Badgers were evicted, I’m guessing it’s not for the group’s “view of modern feminism” but because the group came to the expo flying the figurative flag of GamerGate, a loosely organized but highly virulent harassment campaign disguised, not very convincingly, as a campaign for “ethics in game journalism.” Oh, and possibly because they seem to have gotten into the expo under false pretenses.

Even if we were to assume that the Honey Badgers were booted for being Men’s Rights Activists, there is a teensy bit of irony to their complaint. You see, the HBB is closely tied to Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men. Indeed the two most visible HB’s — Alison Tieman and Karen “GirlWritesWhat” Straughan — are volunteer staffers on the AVFM masthead, as is HB hanger-on Sage Gerard.

Last summer, most or all of the HBB attended AVFM’s first conference, held outside Detroit; Straughan spoke at it. Here they are posing with their AVFM comrades.

Honey Badgers and friends at the AVFM conference
Honey Badgers and friends at the AVFM conference

You know who wasn’t at that conference? Feminists, whom the event organizers made pretty plain were not welcome. Indeed, as journalist Jeff Sharlet noted in his remarkable account of the conference in GQ, attendees seemed to be obsessed with defending their little event against an angry mob of feminists that never materialized.

They keep saying, “No feminist better try coming here!” Local police have dispatched four officers, and the conference attendees have deputized even more security from their own ranks. “Security” wears black polo shirts, and there are a lot of black polo shirts, but since the line is slow, security decides to sweep us all in with a request to return for a “check.” Nobody does. Only one feminist later attempts entry, an activist who goes by the handle “Dark Horse Swore.” The black shirts eighty-six her.

Only a few of these dastardly feminists made it into the event, posing as  journalists. Oh, wait, they were journalists. Somehow I suspect that security at AVFM’s planned conference this year will be tighter.

I also suspect that the Honey Badgers will be there, recounting the story of the terrible injustice done to them by the Calgary Expo.

H/T — @idlediletante on Twitter, who’s been keeping tabs on the money so many #GamerGaters are raking in.

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Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

@Paradoxical

What is it is that they’re just parroting words they hear “SJW” say, because there’s 5000^1000x more people that are sympathetic to transgender issues than they are for the MRM. They’re trying to use these words so MRA flunkies who have no actual idea what the fuck transgenderism is can say, “HEY! They’re TRANSGENDER! YOU AGAINST TRANSGENDER PEOPLE?”

They’re trying to use their followers’ ignorance (or give their followers a way to spread ignorance) to bring sympathy to their cause, to make “SJWs” the bad guys because suddenly they’re against a bunch of transgender individuals. But they’re misusing the word “transgender” in a way that still makes them “female” and thus in the correct gender binary the MRAs approve for their own benefit and for their followers who are extremely ignorance about transgenderism and transexualism.

You know there’s going to be people who don’t know exactly what happened, but are willing to donate because they think transgender people were victimized, if they describe themselves as transgender and have people tweet and shit describing them as such.

That’s the only way I can make sense of whatever the fuck they’re trying to say here.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I think they’re trying to claim trans status because they believe it to be a group that has privileged victim status. Similar to the right wing men who believe rape victim is a privileged status.

These people are just disgusting.

Moggie
Moggie
5 years ago

So, this means AVFM will champion trans rights now, right? That’s totally a thing that will happen?

lith
lith
5 years ago

sunnysombrera:

I was raised conservative by my parents but to be honest, it was the internet that turned me liberal. I read accounts and stories of marginalised groups, began to understand how people who weren’t WASPs like myself were living.

I’ve always been pretty liberal but an ex introduced me to a particular thread on metafilter where women were detailing their experiences of cat calling, stalking, being followed home and rape. It opened my eyes to just how bad things were. That kind of shit should not be so normalised that people fear rocking the boat by talking about it. Sorry, slight tangent, my empathy on overdrive for some reason.

lith
lith
5 years ago

@Paradoxical:

You’d have to be extremely flexible mentally. Like how do you even get your leg there?

Double Bonus points for awesome use of scrubs gif.

lith
lith
5 years ago

Banana Jackie Cake:

YOU DON’T GET TO MAKE WORDS UP YOURSELF.

I get the impression they’ve annoyed you with this. Fair enough, they really seem to have no idea what they’re saying. It really is like small children parroting what they’ve heard adults say without any understanding of what it actually means.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

They don’t get to silence us when we have a different view of gender because this is part of what it is. Me, Karen, Hannah – I don’t know about Anna; she’s pretty feminine – but we are what you might say masculine women which means we are technically not cis-gendered. Because transsexual is not being the physical sex that you think you are. Transgender is not exactly fitting into the mold of the gender or the social roles that are expected of you. And damselling is very much a social role expected of women and those women who it doesn’t come easily to, to reduce them down to victims, to those women that is discrimination to ignore our voices in the public sphere.

Nope, nope, nopity nope NOPE. That’s NOT how transgender is defined. If you’re born with a vulva, ovaries, uterus, etc. and consider yourself female, it doesn’t matter if you “look masculine” — you’re still a cis woman. The butchest of butch lesbians is still a cis woman if she was born with those girl parts and assigned “F” on her birth certificate. You only get to say you’re trans if you were born with a penis, testes, prostate and so forth, are assigned “M”, and consider yourself female in spite of that. If you weren’t designated male at birth, you’re not a trans woman. You’re as cis as your sissy sisters, sister.

Being an insufficiently girly-looking cis woman can certainly suck, as you don’t have pretty privilege to (slightly) compensate for sex discrimination, but that does not make you trans, you fucking idiotesses. You are not being discriminated against on the basis of gender just because you cut your hair short and don’t wear makeup, even if you ARE bitter at Roosh, Fartiste & Co. for not trying to pick you up in a bar.

And damselling, my dears? You’re soaking in it. You weren’t ejected for being unpretty and unpopular, you were kicked out for lying on your application forms, and you KNOW it. But hey, it must be a righteous cause if it gets you free cash, right? So yeah, crank up the fuckin’ waterworks, ladies. Make like your own straw version of a feminist, eh?

And when you’re done fundraising, Money Badgers, throw some cash my way. You really need to pay for my busted irony meter.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

@lith

It annoys me when someone describes themselves as transgender by using a definition of transgender that DOESN’T FUCKING EXIST, yes.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

@Auntie Alias

but we are what you might say masculine women which means we are technically not cis-gendered… Transgender is not exactly fitting into the mold of the gender or the social roles that are expected of you.

Technically.

FFS, either Tieman is thick as a brick or she’s can’t stop shoveling ridiculous self-serving bullshit in hopes of helping their cockamamie plan to get press and/or suckers’ donations. I’m going with the latter obviously.

“We wear tee-shirts and jeans in public! Karen has short hair and is bisexual! We don’t, uh, damsel, which is totally a thing. No other women are like this, so you might say we are technically transgendered. The fact that we refer to ourselves as women and lived as cis women are entire lives is irrelevant.”

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

@Bina

Thank you for articulating what I couldn’t properly say.

Tracy
Tracy
5 years ago

@Bina what you said. Because I can’t formulate words. Too confused.

brooked
brooked
5 years ago

@Bina

If you’re born with a vulva, ovaries, uterus, etc. and consider yourself female, it doesn’t matter if you “look masculine” — you’re still a cis woman.

Well there are trans men. Presumably, she sticks both trans men and women under “transsexual” before mangling the concept of transgender.

Tierney:

Transgender is not exactly fitting into the mold of the gender or the social roles that are expected of you.

Tierney is suggesting any deviation at all from gender stereotypes or social roles makes you transgender, no matter what gender you identify as or how you actually live your life.

Hey, guess what, female firefighters and stay at home dads, you’re transgender and didn’t even know it. I’m a lesbian and have been the only women not in a dress at formal events in the past, so involuntarily throw me on the transgender pile as well.

This, of course, is infuriating nonsense, particularly because there is no fucking way Tierney actually believes this.

She may believe that she’s discriminated for her anti-feminism, while, somehow, all of Western society obeys every whim of the “damselling” feminists and/or non-FeMRA women.

And damselling is very much a social role expected of women and those women who it doesn’t come easily to, to reduce them down to victims, to those women that is discrimination to ignore our voices in the public sphere.

This has fuck all to do with her bullshit transgender hand waving of course.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
5 years ago

Brooked:

Hey, guess what, female firefighters and stay at home dads, you’re transgender and didn’t even know it.

LOL! I know, right? I’d love to see her explain damselling to a court.

And there really is no fucking excuse for her ignorance. I don’t know if she’s still there but there was a transgender woman hanging out with them who was transitioning.

Lise Gotell
5 years ago

Perhaps the HBs do not understand that the Charter only applies to government action. Not sure you could find any ethical lawyer willing to take this case.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Word means things! You can’t play Humpty Dumpty and use them all anyhow. “Technically not cis-gendered” is not a free pass; it’s not actually anything.

This annoys me as much as when people spell it ‘Ghandi’, and that’s a lot.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Wow, multi-ninja’d.

Newt
Newt
5 years ago

Even ignoring their misuse of words with meanings, they still don’t make sense:

damselling is very much a social role expected of women

So which group do they think is trying to address this problem, and should be worth supporting rather than disrupting? Is it

1) unimaginative video game creators who routinely include “damsel in distress”

or

2) feminists who talk about unimaginative video game creators

?

M.
M.
5 years ago

They don’t get to silence us when we have a different view of gender because this is part of what it is. Me, Karen, Hannah – I don’t know about Anna; she’s pretty feminine – but we are what you might say masculine women which means we are technically not cis-gendered. Because transsexual is not being the physical sex that you think you are. Transgender is not exactly fitting into the mold of the gender or the social roles that are expected of you.

Well. That’s appropriative, transphobic and just plain fucking stupid all at the same time.

There’s already a word for women with “Dudely” interests, you know: Tomboys. I mean, there shouldn’t have to be since interests shouldn’t be separated by gender, but whatever.

bekabot
5 years ago

@ venny

what does this mean? which one them is sorta-kinda Hispanic and which one is definitely Latino?

What I was trying to intimate was that, while the one guy is definitely the son of Cuban immigrants (though not of refugees, as he has tried to claim) the other is in every point aside from that of raw ancestral fact (which is not that important in and of itself) a white dude from Canada who has left Canada because he understands, as a politician of a certain bent, that there’s more and better pickin’s in the U. S. of A. — But it was probably rude of me to say so.

gilshalos
5 years ago

Right.
Getting money from suckers.
I am always uncertain of my own morality, but about 20 years ago I knew a guy online on a MUSH. He had some dubious features, but he was pleasant to talk to, there was fun rp, we talked a lot about rl ooc.
He knew I was living on disability benefits, and he offered many times to send me money.
I always said no.
It would have been easy to say yes, and I didn’t even know if he was serious, but I always said no.
A few years later I learnt another female from that MUSH had spun him a tale about needing money desperately for an abortion, so her bf never knew she had been unfaithful.
She was quite upright to us later about it having been a total lie.
He sent her the money.

And I was all ‘How could she DO that ?’

I don’t understand the HBs , AVFM, or Roosh etc either.

ktrantingredhead
5 years ago

Why am I picturing this whole thing in the South Park Canadian voice? “We want more money….just money….you know…from the internet.”

https://youtu.be/EmZRLxnXamM

idledillettante
5 years ago

Auntie Alias- rofl that quote. Does Tieman actually believe that women who are “masculine” are someplace in the genderqueer/ trans neighborhood? As in, women who don’t wear makeup and do wear pants like Tieman are “technically not cisgender”??

Rofl that’s rich.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
5 years ago

@idledillettante, I suspect she knows better and is just trying to manufacture something that will allow her to claim discrimination. It’s inconceivable that she hasn’t been exposed to information about what transgender really is. I wonder what Karen and Hannah thought about being classified as trans!

ColeYote
ColeYote
5 years ago

I’m sure you’ll be shocked to hear this, but they’re talking out their ass if they think the charter of rights and freedoms has anything to do with this.

John Anderson
John Anderson
5 years ago

“On the group’s fundraising page, the Badgers accuse the Expo of tossing them out”

“While the Expo hasn’t given a clear reason for why the Honey Badgers were evicted,”

I’m guessing (though probably wrongly) that even a moron like you might be able to figure out that they have a point at least to this point.

“You know who wasn’t at that conference? Feminists,”

Feminists weren’t welcome because they don’t give a fuck about men. If you found any feminists who were actually concerned about men’s issues, they would be welcome. Of course, you’re going to be dishonest. That’s what feminists do. They reason they wanted security was for feminists protestors trying to break into the conference. You know those entitled princesses who don’t think women should have to pay for anything including a ticket.

“Only a few of these dastardly feminists made it into the event, posing as journalists. ”

Because they were too damn cheap to pay for a ticket.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

John Anderson,
Depends on what you mean by “men’s issues.” Feminists do have plenty of compassion for men who are raped or abused. Men who are shot by the police simply for having the wrong skin color. Etc.

If by men’s issues you mean, men shouldn’t have to respect consent. Or men who have abandoned their children shouldn’t be expected to pay a couple hundred dollars in child support, and I suspect that’s what you mean, then you’re correct. We don’t give a shit.

That’s beside the point though. The point is, if the AVFM conference has the right to not allow access to people they find disruptive, how does the Calgary expo not have the same right?

M.
M.
5 years ago

That’s beside the point though. The point is, if the AVFM conference has the right to not allow access to people they find disruptive, how does the Calgary expo not have the same right?

Because freeze peach only applies to MRAs, Republicans and fundamentalist Christians. Just like the Founding FATHERS intended! [/sarcasm but probably what this jackass actually believes]

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

John Anderson | May 11, 2015 at 12:26 pm
“On the group’s fundraising page, the Badgers accuse the Expo of tossing them out”

“While the Expo hasn’t given a clear reason for why the Honey Badgers were evicted,”

I’m guessing (though probably wrongly) that even a moron like you might be able to figure out that they have a point at least to this point.

And that point is…what exactly?

That they broke the rules and wanted to get away with it because FREEZE PEACH?

Because anyone with half a brain took a look at what the Honey Badgers did, and then looked to the Expo’s rules to see if they were being broken or not. Turns out heckling and derailing a feminist panel because you don’t like them or what they had to talk about is against the rules, and is grounds for expulsion!

Because, as the saying goes, “Your rights stop at the tip of my nose.” Freeze peach only goes so far. When you try to use it to heckle or derail other people’s panels, it doesn’t apply. Because those people have a right to freeze peach too. And by heckling and derailing, you’re only trying to silence them and change the subject to something you want to talk about instead.

Oh, and so’s lying about who you purchased a booth to represent because you wanted to be on “stealth mode” knowing full well that you weren’t actually wanted there due to your connections to groups known for harassment (mostly of women).

“You know who wasn’t at that conference? Feminists,”

Feminists weren’t welcome because they don’t give a fuck about men. If you found any feminists who were actually concerned about men’s issues, they would be welcome. Of course, you’re going to be dishonest. That’s what feminists do. They reason they wanted security was for feminists protestors trying to break into the conference. You know those entitled princesses who don’t think women should have to pay for anything including a ticket.

“Bluh bluh we don’t want to let the feminists in because they don’t care about “men’s issues” and they’re all liars and cheats, but then we gripe when they get in because they’re obviously ENTITLED LITTLE BITCHES for wanting to get in WITHOUT PAYING.”

Well, if you had given us the option to pay for a ticket and didn’t ask us to leave immediately as soon as it was discovered that we were feminists, I’m sure some of us would have bought an (obscenely overpriced) ticket to go and listen to these panels. It’s actually kind of important to us to know what the other side thinks. (Though, we could have stayed home and found out for free. You MRAs are hardly transparent about how much you hate us.)

What happened to MRAs want to listen to the other side and be “reasonable”? Oh wait, they only want to listen to the “other side” when we’re silent and nodding along with the program like a bobblehead. So never.

As for the misguided assumption that “feminists don’t give a shit about men!”, I’d like to point out the obvious that a man runs this blog, and many of our regular commenters are men. And those of us who don’t identify as male do care for them very much.

Then I’d like to point out the fact that we do, in fact, care about men. We do care about your mental and physical health. We do care about your rights, your freedoms, and your right to do what you want with your life without judgment (as long as it harms no one else in any way).

What we don’t care for is your belief of what men should be. We don’t care for your belief solely of the “rights” of cishet white men either.

Trust me when I say this: the biggest misandrists around are MRAs. You don’t even love yourself enough to think that you’re more than an animal who can’t control his baser instincts. You think men have to be heartless monsters, whose sole existence is to only fuck women and spread your seed, and fuck your “feelings” (Because those are feminine, and therefore weak) and fuck your desires if they don’t meet some arbitrary standard of “manliness”.

‘Scuse us feminists (of all genders) for thinking that’s a load of crap and not wanting to participate.

“Only a few of these dastardly feminists made it into the event, posing as journalists. ”

Because they were too damn cheap to pay for a ticket.

You know what they say about assumptions right? And, again, if we had the option to openly purchase a ticket to go, we would have liked to.

But then again, you said it yourself, we weren’t welcome. So, how were we supposed to pay for a ticket again? Or better yet, why should we if we were only going to be thrown out for being a feminist? Waste of money if you ask me.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Trust me when I say this: the biggest misandrists around are MRAs. You don’t even love yourself enough to think that you’re more than an animal who can’t control his baser instincts. You think men have to be heartless monsters, whose sole existence is to only fuck women and spread your seed, and fuck your “feelings” (Because those are feminine, and therefore weak) and fuck your desires if they don’t meet some arbitrary standard of “manliness”.

‘Scuse us feminists (of all genders) for thinking that’s a load of crap and not wanting to participate.

Great point. I guess to MRAs it’s only misandry when evil dishonest feminists do it.

epitome of incomprehensibility

(and by “it” I mean criticizing misogyny and aspects of entitlement or privilege that men might misuse, not by actually hating men. Just to clarify.)

freemage
5 years ago

If you hang around conservative forums long enough, you’ll hear an interesting reveal. Eventually, someone will make the claim, and be supported in it, that “At least conservative women are all hot.”

Because that’s important in, say, a candidate for Vice President or a talk-show personality or a pundit–that they be ‘hot’ (but only if the person in question is a woman, of course). I’m not claiming that there’s a lack of focus on women’s appearance among leftists–listen to enough speeches and introductions, and you’ll get plenty of cringe-inducing snafus where the speaker praises a woman being appointed for a position for her appearance, often even before her talents (and of course, there’s the media’s obsession with describing every outfit a woman politician wears). But if it’s considered important on the Left, it’s considered vital on the Right.

*********

One further downside of the exodus of marginalized individuals from the Republican party (as described above by bekabot) is that the Democratic Party, in turn, has been able to coast on issues important to those groups. All they have to do is promise not to make things worse, and they’re already infinitely better than the default Republican position; there’s no need to suggest ways to actually make things better.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
5 years ago

@freemage

Seriously, you know that something’s fatally wrong with a political party when their opposition only has to say “We promise to not incarcerate women for having abortions,” “We accept that racism exists and is a bad thing” or “We hope LGBT+ people will be legally considered human within five years” to win entire demographics.

Sandra
Sandra
5 years ago

Interesting to put a face to the MRA crowd and the Honey Badgers. I’ve perused their sites before, so I know the kind of rhetoric that’s on there. Which is why I’m shocked at the Honey Badgers’ appearance…. considering how MRA types rant and rave about women not pleasing their boners sufficiently, I would have thought the Honey Badgers would have lived up somewhat better to that ideal.

As for the men, no comment.

MerlinsMaster
MerlinsMaster
5 years ago

It’s amusing to me that you people only defend women when they agree with you. Hypocrites, all of you.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

It’s only hypocritical if the central tenet of feminism is “women are always right.” Unfortunately for you, that’s not what feminism is. There’s nothing hypocritical about disagreeing with women we disagree with.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

It’s amusing to me that you people only defend women when they agree with you. Hypocrites, all of you.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by “defend”, but doesn’t everyone? Hell, MRAs only defend men when those men agree with them. All the rest of us men are manginas, white knights, beta blue-pill losers, feminized monstrosities, etc.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

It’s amusing to me that you people only defend women when they agree with you. Hypocrites, all of you.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by “defend”, but doesn’t everyone? Hell, MRAs only defend men when those men agree with them. All the rest of us men are manginas, white knights, beta blue-pill losers, feminized monstrosities, etc.

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