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Exciting new opportunity for Sarkeesian Effect backers to flush more $$ down the toilet! (Also, funny video)

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Tub Boy and Professor Skull

There’s some great news for supporters of The Sarkeesian Effect, the seemingly random collection of badly filmed interviews with assorted people who dislike Anita Sarkeesian that is allegedly being edited into a film of some kind!

In a new video, Jordan Owen — the hairier of the two Sarkeesian Effect impresarios — has announced an amazing new opt-out opportunity for the alleged film’s backers to donate money to him and his pal (then enemy, then pal again) Davis Aurini.

Owen reports that, even though they’re supposedly already done filming their alleged film, the two have somehow managed to work out a way to do some more filming “that we didn’t think that we’d be able to do but it’s really going to tie the movie together,” much like the non-big Lebowski’s famously peed-on rug, I guess.

Now, Owen won’t provide any details — which, he suggests, might have something vaguely to do with the Honey Badgers’ recent escapade in Calgary? — but apparently it is a quite exciting filming opportunity and it somehow requires another month’s worth of funding for the alleged film, and unless the project’s backers specifically opt out by the end of the month they’re going to get charged for it!

It’s all very ethical.

In the video, Owen also invites supporters to check out the amazingly professional web site they have up for their amazing film at TheSarkeesianEffect.com. I would also highly recommend that you check it out; it is in every way up to the exacting standards the two are known for.

And before I forget, I’d like to mention some great news for fans of the unintentional comedy that the Sarkeesian Effect duo provide almost every time they open their mouths.

A couple of Sarkeesian Effect mockers — Andrew Todd from badassdigest.com and @kav_p from Twitter — have come into the possession of puppets that, as Kav P puts it, look “startlingly similar” to the Sarkeesian Effect duo. They plan to produce a series of short videos starring said puppets.

Here’s the theme song for the series, which they call MRAsterpiece Theater. You may notice that despite costing nothing to anyone but the two people who made it, this video somehow manages to look and sound a lot more professional than anything the actual Sarkeesian Effect dudes have produced so far.

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FossilFishy
FossilFishy
5 years ago

There’s nothing racist about enslaving Africans, it’s just economics.

Your

FossilFishy
FossilFishy
5 years ago

Gah, iPad typing fail.

Your argument is a big old argument from popularity fallacy. Video games have a problem with misogyny because the consumers driving the industry have a problem with misogyny. Just because they are in the majority doesn’t make it okay.

kiki
kiki
5 years ago

I think my “favourite” Jordan Owen moment is from his now-classic “Fainting Couch” video (seriously, the Professional Victim-Finder General spends half of that video with the back of his hand nailed to his fucking forehead in a literal “poor-me” pose, in between alternating bouts of reiterating that he’s not a loser, whining about high school, and begging for money), where he looks at the camera and says, in reference to getting more sweet sweet Patreon dollars, “It’ll make it something that I want to do.”

I swear, I can remember using pretty much the exact same wording, tone of voice and puppy-dog eyes at the age of about ten, when I was trying to convince my dad to pay me for cleaning my room.

davidgerard
5 years ago

It’s true! We can extrapolate the ancient 1/1024-bit ur-Nintendo from these two bone needles found in Lascaux. Also, if chicks get too good at games their testosterone will go up, and they’ll get hairy nipples and male-pattern baldness. So it’s for their own good really.

the 4th survivor
the 4th survivor
5 years ago

@Kootiepatra

You talk about the portrayal of women in video games but do you not realize that the vast, overwhelming majority of male characters in games are used either as plot devices or as cannon fodder? In your typical action game you have the hero (usually a man but sometimes a women) mowing down hundreds if not thousands of enemy male soldiers. Female characters don’t get that kind of treatment. The main villain or villains are nearly always men as well because obviously women could never do something evil amirite?

Gamers are jerks to each other and always have been. It’s been that way as long as I’ve been a gamer. It didn’t suddenly start happening when more women became gamers.

isidore13
isidore13
5 years ago

4th, this is the argument you’ve made just now: It’s always been this way, which means it should always be this way! I FEAR CHANGE!!!

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

@the 4th survivor – If women in video games were part of the opposing army, I would have no trouble killing them. In fact, when I had to kill female characters in WoW, I had no problem with it, because, hey, that’s how war goes. They were armed, they had weapons, they were meeting me on the field of battle.

I wish there *were* more women soldiers in game. The fact that women are usually only there to a) decorate the set, b) serve as the MacGuffin, or c) helplessly, graphically, and pointlessly die to emphasize how very bad the bad guys are, is the problem.

Male NPCs aren’t overwhelmingly the cannon fodder in warfare games because they’re male. They’re the cannon fodder because there are few, if any, competent women in the game.

But, if you’re going to argue the underrepresentation of women as heroes is purely down to market dynamics, with no sexism involved, then the overrepresentation of men as cannon fodder has to be, too. I’m sticking to my point that both of these dynamics are problematic, for pretty much the exact same core reason, and it can be alienating to female players.

“Gamers are jerks to each other and always have been. It’s been that way as long as I’ve been a gamer.”

I would contend that this is a problem.

“It didn’t suddenly start happening when more women became gamers.”

Firstly, I’ve known girls who have played video games since I was a kid (25 years ago), so the “more women becoming gamers” thing rings pretty hollow to me.

Secondly, of course not, but that doesn’t explain why my guy friends get mocked for being n00bs or having bad tactics, and I get asked to show my tits. It’s not a generic jerkdom that applies to everyone. Women get specifically harassed for existing as female, and that’s messed up.

Kootiepatra
5 years ago

Oh and re: the villain thing – Yep, I want to see more female villains, too, ideally ones that aren’t super sexy siren temptress witches.

Drezden
Drezden
5 years ago

@ the 4th survivor

You do realize that the vast majority of all “characters” in games are plot devices or cannon fodder? You do realize that the demographic skew may have more than a little to do with problematic views of women? You do realize that Sarkeesian actually raises this point and calls for more diversity in the enemy ranks?

And while it is true that many gamers can be jerks, it certainly is not the case that it has always been this way. While I won’t try to pinpoint an exact date for the change, I can safely say that for more than half my years as a gamer, the name of the game was friendly competition, not rampant ass-hattery. And this change may not have started with the influx of women, but it sure as fuck targeted them.

Finally, “just the way it is” is a lazy, shitty excuse. Something being horrible does not mean that the people with the power to improve it should not do so.

Newt
Newt
5 years ago

In your typical action game you have the hero (usually a man but sometimes
a women) mowing down hundreds if not thousands of enemy male soldiers.

Are you aware of “action” game types other than “Battle of Honor: Embiggened Warfare”?

Female characters don’t get that kind of treatment.

Female characters don’t get most kinds of treatments, because so many games only create female characters for a very narrow set of purposes. This is something that you would have picked up if you had ever watched thirty seconds of any of the Tropes vs Women videos that you so confidently claim to be a scam. Watching Thunderf00t talking over an excerpt doesn’t count.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

It’s just the free market at work.

Women are almost half of all gamers, roughly 45%. This is a demographic of consumers that is asking for games that aren’t populated by nothing but big beefy men and tiny willowy victims with huge boobs. Game developers are listening and putting out more games to appeal to that demographic and obtain some of that sweet, sweet female cash. That is the free market at work. That is what you are whining and beating your chest about.

Keep your mouth shut about the free market until you know what it is. The free market doesn’t work like a first-past-the-gate popularity contest. If women were 30% of gamers, or 20% of gamers, that is a fucking huge pile of cash that developers are leaving on the table if they don’t make games that appeal to that demographic. Just suck it up, you whiny little baby, and stop throwing tantrums.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
5 years ago

I was going to chime in on the claim to capitalism, but PoM beat me to it with much more style. Brava!

Spaceman
Spaceman
5 years ago

Oh man, looking at that site gives me Geocities flashbacks.

Jordan and Davis – here is some free advice [Worth about as much as you paid for it of course]

– Read @magnesium above. Some good design tips. I fully second the WordPress idea. Hit up something like Templatemonster. With all of that cash you are bringing in, spending a few hundred on a good site is worth it for your fans. You can spend a lot more for a great site, but lets be realistic, you don’t want to piss off your fans by appearing to waste their money right?.I assume you are trying to create a community of racist, misogynistic, MRA a-holes – so why not make their home to spew venomous bile your own site? You may have to learn a bit of HTML to change it to your liking, but then you can add a skill to your resume!

Just think of the amazing job opportunities you can have with “Created a video harassing a woman” “bathtub enthusiast” and “website designer” to show to future employers!

– Make sure you are using good SEO tactics. Better homepage title, H1’s, mobile friendly responsive design (you don’t want google to downrank you do you?), proper 404 page, and so on. Any decent free SEO ranking service will give you a good list of things to fix.

—–
@the 4th survivor: I have very likely been gaming far longer than you have. So I can speak from relative authority here: You are wrong. The GG movement is wrong.

FossilFishy
FossilFishy
5 years ago

You talk about the portrayal of women in video games but do you not realize that the vast, overwhelming majority of male characters in games are used either as plot devices or as cannon fodder?

“Hey, we don’t have a problem with black people, we beat up gays too!”

Gamers are jerks to each other and always have been. It’s been that way as long as I’ve been a gamer

Ah, the argument from antiquity fallacy, an oldy but a goody.

“My Pappy owned people, and his Pappy before him. It’s just the way things be.”

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

I like how the troll notes that guys can be assholes, and the solution is to do nothing. “Let’s try to stop guys from being assholes” is apparently not something we want to pursue.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

The “cannon fodder” in action games consists of largely cut-and-paste models of some simple character; make a few changes between models so the player doesn’t get bored of killing the same enemy over and over, but don’t spend to much time because their survival time is going to be at most a couple minutes.

F.E.A.R. manages to work in a premise where the characters are all literally clones, all the same save for a few tiers of difficulty. You’d be lucky if you even get that is most games.

The reason that fodder is mostly male is because male is the default; making a female trash enemy actually takes effort and thought because “female” is considered a varient of a person. It’s the same reason all the fodder tends to be the same race (usually white unless the game’s environment demands otherwise, and for the same reason that “white” is the default).

But hey, Bioshock had female splicers. Left 4 Dead had female zombies mixed in. Skyrim has women all over the place. You’ll find that it’s the progressive games with richer environments that have more complex cannon fodder, and thus more diversity with gender.

Anyway, this is a disingenuous argument at the core. The fodder may be male, but the hero is also male. There’s no anti-male sentiment behind killing tons of enemies, they’re just the bad guys. Hell, probably the fodder defaults to male so often because women are supposed to be the ones the hero rescues, not the ones the hero defeats. Gender roles are awful!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

I’ve been thinking about how easy it would have been for the Baldur’s Gate trilogy to have made “male human lawful-good fighter” the only character option, and made the plot “Sarevok has kidnapped your girlfriend, go rescue her!”

That would have saved the devs some time and a lot of imagination, but what a profoundly boring game that would have been.

freemage
5 years ago

Note that 4th Survivor doesn’t quite grok that Sarkeesian’s success is based on crowdfunding, one of the ‘purest’ distillations of free-market forces we’ve got, as there’s very little gatekeeping between producer and consumer.

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zarathustratheserpent | April 21, 2015 at 12:44 am

Can we just call Jordan and Davis Tubman and Skullboy respectively?

Hmm… Tubman and Skullboy….

Punk band, Netflix-exclusive cartoon series, or indie comic book?

Falconer
5 years ago

@bonelady:

Listen and believe? To what?

I took “Listen and Believe” as a reference to John Carpenter’s film They Live, in which (for those who haven’t seen it) subliminal messages of a similar construction are discovered in advertisements and media.

Basically they’re calling Sarkeesian a melty-faced space alien bent on conquering the Earth with skulduggery. This would naturally make Tubman & Skull Boy Roddy Piper.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Feeemales only started playing video games in the past few years? I guess I hallucinate the late 80s and early 90s I spent constantly playing NES with my girlfriends. Silly lady brain making me think I actually did stuff other than make sandwiches!

Falconer
5 years ago

@Policy of Madness:

I’ve been thinking about how easy it would have been for the Baldur’s Gate trilogy to have made “male human lawful-good fighter” the only character option, and made the plot “Sarevok has kidnapped your girlfriend, go rescue her!”

Wait, wasn’t that second bit the first half of Baldur’s Gate 2?

sparky
sparky
5 years ago

So video games are full of sexist tropes because that’s what the people want, as evidenced by the absolutely right and true hand of the free market. No one could possibly be unhappy with sexism in gaming and the videogame industry. If there were, there’s be people out there criticizing sexism in videogames, like, I don’t know, maybe making a series of videos about sexist tropes in games. And even if there was someone out there criticizing sexism in videogames, it’s not like anyone is listening or that this has sparked conversations among gamers and developers about making videogames more diverse and less sexist or anything like that. I’ve certainly never heard of such a person.

That’s also why all videogames are exact clones of Duke Nukem, and why games that break that mold and are more diverse and inclusive are completely unheard-of and non-existent. Even if such games did exist, it’s not like they’d be popular games that people love or anything like that.

/sarcasm

Falconer
5 years ago

Do you hear the people play
Playing misogynistic games
They are the product of a market
That just gives you what you want

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

I’ve been playing video games since I was two. My mom got me into them. She stills has books of level codes from when she played all those NES games that required them. I used to watch her play Silent Hill and Parasite Eve on the ol’ PS1 and 2, and it was a great achievement of mine the first time *I* had to help her with an end level of a game.

Psychonauts, the Meat Circus. She couldn’t do the rail sliding part.

I was really sad dad bought her that game from Christmas instead of me. 🙁

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

*for Christmas, not from d’oh

Falconer
5 years ago

@Banana Jackie Cake, I couldn’t get past the net-climbing part of the Meat Circus, I kept not going fast enough or missing jumps. Everything else, perfectly fine, although after I got Raz out of the black-velvet-painting level everything looked green to me for fifteen minutes.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

@Falconer

Lol, she also had problems with that part. 😛

I think it was because the PS2 version had some camera issues? Or was that the Xbox version? I forgot exactly. I know that the level was better managed on the PC version than one or both console versions.

Also, terribly underrated game. Brutal Legends too. (That game was all the awesome.) Why do people not recognize Tim Schafer’s GENIUS? *tables flips*

Falconer
5 years ago

I have it on the XBox, I had to update my 360 so it would play original Xbox games.

GOG is selling it for the PC for like $9, and I can get it on the PlayStation Network, too.

… I think I may have one too many gaming platforms.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

Wait, wasn’t that second bit the first half of Baldur’s Gate 2?

Yes, the weakest part of the trilogy, when we were given the least reason to give a shit about what was going on.

Similarly, Devil May Cry 4 turn a sudden turn for the stupid when Kyrie got kidnapped and the plot changed from “what the fuck is going on here” to “NOOOO MY GIRLFRIEND.”

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

@Falconer

Well, last generation I thought I’d try Xbox instead of PlayStation.

Big mistake. All the games I wanted to play were on PlayStations: The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, InFamous, Jak and Daxter HD–Xbox doesn’t have shit.

So you have too many gaming platforms in the way of Xboxes, bit everything else is okay. (Original Xbox is fine.)

Falconer
5 years ago

@Policy of Madness:

Trilogy? Are you counting Throne of Bhaal as #3?

And Imoen as girlfriend … no. Half-sister’s no better in terms of damseling.

@Banana Jackie Cake: We got the 360 before the PS3 because of Tales of Vesperia. We ate up Tales of Symphonia* and Tales of the Abyss, but Vesperia just kind of left us flat.

And BABIES!! has left us with no time to play Tales of Graces f or Tales of Xillia.

*I just found the official website and its big portrait of Lloyd has got me all nostalgic.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

@Falconer

Yah, ToB is a third game as far as I’m concerned. Way shorter than the others, but it’s not just an expansion, like Tales of the Sword Coast. It has an independent plot that is almost completely separated from the plots of BG1 and Shadows of Amn. I know it is considered “an expansion” but I’m not the only one who treats it like an independent game.

Falconer
5 years ago

You know, I’ve never gotten very far past the tearful reunion with Imoen, let alone tried Throne of Bhaal. I should get back to that.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

The tearful reunion with Imoen is always, for me, followed by my telling Imoen to beat feet. LOL She is outstanding in BG1 but almost useless in SoA, and I usually solo these days anyway.

friday jones
friday jones
5 years ago

“What would a spell list for a Social Justice Wizard look like?”

Level 0 cantrips
Detect Bullshit
Read Newspapers
Resistance to Fallacy

Level 1 spells
Magic Missive, an open letter that does 1d6 damage to reactionary belief systems.
Comprehend Arguments
Detect Secret Agenda
Summon Armor of Trollslaying

katz
5 years ago

Level 2 SJW spells
Protection from Errors
Scorching Rebuttal
Girl Touch (gives cooties)
Alter Self (from a bunch of ferrets into a human being)

Level 2 Troll spells
Obscure Argument
Summon Swarm
Continual Flame
Misdirection

theboost
theboost
5 years ago

I wish I’d thought to crowdfund some Gamergate thing. I bet I could do better than these chuckleheads for less money, pocketing even more.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

@Falconer

I’m not really big on JRPGs, actually. The only one I’ve played and liked was Legend of Dragoon. So all of those Xbox-exclusives don’t entice me at all. 😛

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

LEGEND OF DRAGOON WAS AMAZING AS FUCK.

*ahem*

I also am a fan of JRPGs. Xenogears is one of my favorites, and it’s one of the two intellectual properties I enjoy with giant robots in it. (The other is the anime Big O. It’s like Batman, but with giant robots and the main character has more personality than “MY PARENTS ARE DEAD!!!”. And his car is so much cooler than the Batmobile. Like srsly.)

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention

I lost my copy of Legend of Dragoon. 🙁 Pity me.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

I lost my copy of Xenogears. 🙁

I pity you, and will share in your sads.

Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
Banana Jackie Cake, the Best Jackie and Cake! Yum! (^v^)
5 years ago

I will also share your sads of the missing Xenogears. Why must good games disappear so? 🙁

(You know, thinking about it, I also lost my copy of Kingdom Hearts, which I guess also counts as a JRPG, actually. I lost it just before I got to beat Ansem. DAMN IT.)

friday jones
friday jones
5 years ago

Level 3 Social Justice Wizard Spells
Dispel Rumor
Explosive Rhetoric
Tiny Hut of Her Own
Enlightening Bolt

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

Level 3 troll spell
Animate Thread

Falconer
5 years ago

@Paradoxical Intention:

(The other is the anime Big O. It’s like Batman, but with giant robots and the main character has more personality than “MY PARENTS ARE DEAD!!!”. And his car is so much cooler than the Batmobile. Like srsly.)

I gotta represent for Animated Series Batman. He had more personality than that, too. Also, he did detective work, something sorely missing from many Batman movies.

opium4themasses
5 years ago

Batman the animated series was one of the best kids’ shows that took the genre as a story telling challenge instead of an excuse to talk down to kids. The stories hold up really well and the depth of emotions is usually very solid. I don’t want to say that it didn’t have problems, but I would call the series the gold standard I compare intergenerational entertainment to.

opium4themasses
5 years ago

Shit. Sorry, I necroed a thread. I just got all excited about Batman.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

… I don’t think it counts as necroing if the last post on the thread was within 24 hours. You’re good.

🙂

Unless you wanted to be The Threadcromancer, in which case… Sure. It’s totes necroing when you’re a mere 5.74 hours late to the party.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

I totes agree on the Batman: The Animated Series bit. Not only did Batman have more personality, did detective work, and was just a more likable character, all of the characters were.

I just watched the Harley and Ivy episode, and gods above my heart hurt to watch Harley in that episode. Just how she went right back to the Joker and her cycle of abuse continued. Her story is a tragedy and one that always makes me just want to give her a hug and make her a nice meal. She deserves it.

When I was talking about the angsty personality, I was more referring to the newer stuff. I can’t watch any more of these new movies. I just want another Batman and Robin movie. : /

Spindrift
Spindrift
5 years ago

Count me in on batman TAS, my favorite episode is probably the one where Harley and Ivy team up. Followed by the episode where Penguin tries to leave behind his life of crime but gets his heart broken.

I also don’t feel like watching the more recent movies. If I want to see angsty batman I’ll just watch “Holy Musical B@tman!”