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8channers defend themselves against charges of transphobia with more transphobia

Panning for poop on 8chan
Panning for poop on 8chan

Yesterday, I noted some of the nasty transphobia that had shown up in a recent /gg/ thread on 8chan, undercutting somewhat the claims to respectability we’ve been hearing a lot of from GamerGaters recently. Well, 8channers noticed my post, and weren’t exactly pleased about it.

But their responses to my post, well, they didn’t exactly suggest that the transphobia I saw in the earlier thread was some sort of fluke.

Oh, sure, some of the commenters complained, as my critics often do, that I had “quote mined” the earlier thread.

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Sitting cheek by jowl next to these comments were comments of a rather different sort. Trigger Warning for threats, transphobia, homophobia, etc.

 

 

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So, yeah, there’s really no need to posit vast conspiracies sending paid shills to shitpost on 8chan when it’s pretty clear a sizeable portion of their userbase is happy to post crap like this for free.

And there’s no need to mine for quotes like these when there are so many of them just sitting right there on the surface.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Charles Montgomery Burns
Charles Montgomery Burns
5 years ago

Transphobia has nothing to do with being afraid of Transsexuals. It’s being afraid of Transsexualism itself, usually viciously lashing out against it because they are afraid of being associated with it. There are other causes etc. but that’s usually the core.

It would really help if most GamerGaters would have at least rudimentary education about the things they talk about.

Binjabreel
5 years ago

I love* how one of their go-to defenses of their horribleness is “well anyone who looks at *chan for two seconds can see all kinds of horribleness so it can’t be us”.

Someone mentioned in another thread the effect the forced anonymity has on the anarchic culture. I’d bet a lot of it has to do with how you always have ready-made and impossible to disprove rationalizations for any cognitive dissonance or bizarre paranoia. Pretty sure screening your mind so much from the sunlight would probably cause problems with mold, at the least.

Binjabreel
5 years ago

Wtf, where did that asterisk come from? It’s like my phone auto-flagged the sarcasm. o.O

andemilybites
andemilybites
5 years ago

David, I know you don’t write this blog *just* so people will say this :)), but you rock and those execrable 8channers should go step on lego.

There is no need whatsoever to quotemine them; gold is laying there right at the surface, ready to be…stepped carefully around.

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
5 years ago

To the trans phobicscomment image?1

fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Hmmm maybe I should have typed ‘1000 Lego miles’ ah well

Puddleglum
5 years ago

@fruitloopsie, I like it, it’s like, “Yo, this is where you get off the blog.”

vaiyt
5 years ago

Someone mentioned in another thread the effect the forced anonymity has on the anarchic culture.

Their anonymity is also a big fat phony, because it comes with the caveat that you’re assumed to be a white man until proof in contrary. And you better not give that proof in contrary unless you’re going to throw other people under the bus to please the Not So Faceless Collective. It’s uniformity through erasure.

ParadoxicalIntention
ParadoxicalIntention
5 years ago

This is why I’m glad that my state passed that law that says you cannot defend yourself for the murder of a transperson by saying you were “scared” or “shocked” by your discovery that they are trans. (The “Panic Defense” I think it’s called.)

I can only hope that the rest of the country follows suit.

Dawn Incognito
Dawn Incognito
5 years ago

At one of my jobs, a co-worker from another department began transitioning from M to F. HR had a meeting, as I’m sure they were supposed to, but I heard some very inappropriate transphobic comments and jokes in the workplace. She left the company shortly thereafter. I’m ashamed that I never stood up and said “hey, that’s not cool”.

I know 8chan doesn’t care that it’s not cool and if I said anything they’d just call me an SJW *insert slur here*, but I’m grateful to David for documenting it and for him and the lovely commentariat to say “hey, that’s not cool”. Thank you.

davidknewton
davidknewton
5 years ago

You know, I knew 4chan was a pretty dreadful place in general, but it’s only through this that I’ve seen the full extent of just how hideous the things these people say are – and the extent of the lack of their self-awareness.

(8chan was started by people who were kicked off 4chan for being a bit lowbrow for the site, is that right?)

andiexist
andiexist
5 years ago

Why is the world so full of horrible? D:

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Davidknewton – if by ‘a bit lowbrow’ you mean ‘too vile and repugnant even for 4Chan’, then yes. 4Chan is still a wretched hive of scum and villainy, to be sure, but apparently there are depths to which even they refuse to descend.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

those depths being similar to reddit’s: shit that brings the site bad pr and possibly also the attention of law enforcement

Mackey
Mackey
5 years ago

“I’m about as scared of trannies as I’m scared of schizophrenics which is to say not very”

Probably didn’t get out enough to meet a proper paranoid schizophrenic… They can be really scary. Never met a scary ‘tranny’ though. But I am quite sure there may be scary examples of that as well 😉

ququasar
5 years ago

I used to have a weird sense of respect for 4chan: yes they were always a vile cesspool of trolls trolling trolls, but that was something they embraced. 4chan never pretended to be on the side of good: they were villians, and proud of it. And when chaotic evil is the expectation, the things that are morally neutral or ambiguous, like the formation of Anonymous, were hard not to see as mildly redeeming.

But then GamerGate came along, and suddenly the trolls were trying to convince us they’re civil, rational people fighting the good fight against the oppressive SJW’s. I lost that tiny spark of respect when that happened. You don’t get to be evil and self-righteous.

And then the mods of 4chan itself said “fuck off, we’re not doing this here” and started banning GamerGate threads, and the ‘gaters went to 8chan.

So I don’t quite know what to think of 4chan anymore.

contrapangloss
5 years ago

David, you rock.

You are the bestest ferrets in cat suits in a David suit I’ve ever met, and I’m glad I found this place.

Seriously, you are a fine person.

These guys would be hilarious in their hypocrisy if they weren’t so repugnant and awful.

Zirc
Zirc
5 years ago

Well, if you think about it, to these gamegaters, it probably does seem as thought they’ve been quote mined.

Their idea of war is sitting around triggering and threatening dissenters from their parents basement, their idea of important topics is video games— David is literate and reads what they say, it’s probably like frightening sorcery to them.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

So, screencapping their actual shit (the visual equivalent of quoting verbatim) is “making shit up”?

Need more palms, I’m running out of face.

brooked
5 years ago

Even those these guys seemingly subsist mainly on cognative dissidence, I don’t think even they actually believe these stock defenses about doctored screen shots and shadowy SJW posters who deviously make them look bad. As if David, or any reasonable person, would waste that much time on these schmucks. He just has to pop on their shit boards, skim a bit to gather up some terribleness and then hightail it out of that hellhole.

M. the Social Justice Ranger
M. the Social Justice Ranger
5 years ago

@Bina

I have a solution to your problem:
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fruitloopsie
fruitloopsie
5 years ago

Binacomment image

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
5 years ago

I think that “quotemining”, in this case, means “didn’t include all the comments that weren’t terrible”, as though there’s some parts-per-million threshold the shit has to cross before you’re allowed to object to it. Unfortunately for them, human decency is not an urban water treatment system and we are not required to tolerate shit just because it’s an infinitesimal amount.

On a related note, I need to go dump out this glass of city tap water, because I just seriously grossed myself out.

chaltab
chaltab
5 years ago

Ah, 4chan, even in my right-wing teenage years, you were too much of a huge collective of assholes for me to view you without contempt.

Well I guess this is 8chan but it’s the same people, different outhouse.

seraph4377
5 years ago

They really have no idea how human beings function outside their poisonous little subculture, do they? I imagine they are – or were – sitting over there fist-bumping each other over how they put David in his place, not even realizing that they were proving his point.

hellkell
hellkell
5 years ago

They don;t seem to realize their awful is front-loaded, no need for digging. I hope all these assholes get a balst of self-awareness one day.

AbsintheDexterous
5 years ago

8chan – the horribleness of 4chan times two.

I don’t think even they actually believe these stock defenses about doctored screen shots and shadowy SJW posters who deviously make them look bad

It’s possible that they do believe it…it’s common right wing tactic – accuse your opponent of what you yourself are doing. Remember, they will fake screenshots to “prove” that they’re persecuted. Of all my years on the Interwebs, it seems like every asshole and their relatives will do this. It used to work all the time, but since people have wised up to it, it only works for about 20 seconds now – which is why the goalposts shift so fast you’ll get whiplash.

Sarah
Sarah
5 years ago

I love how they’re so pissed that they get exposed in their bigotry AND don’t want to “tone police” (i.e., talk like decent people) themselves AND don’t want anybody to moderate their shit ’cause freeze peach AND they want to get to be the self-righteous guys fighting for ethics.

Hee, I’d stay to count how many more iterations they try before they realize there’s a logical contradiction.

Bogdan Cvetkovic
5 years ago

I never got 4chan and 8chan’s obsession with anime. They seem to especially enjoy using lolicons in their pictures and avatars. It’s really creepy.

@Sarah – Their idea of freedom is the same as a 15 year old’s, to be able to do whatever they want with no repercussions.

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
5 years ago

I remember being weirded out when I saw Futrelle begin to cover GamerGate and the boards it started on. This sensation of two very different worlds colliding, even though meticulously recording misogynistic bullshit is his hobby. And now seeing random 8channers calling him out?

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

D’oh, thanks for the facepalms, guys!

And yeah, 4chan, 8chan, what’s the difference? Between the two of them, they’ve left the bottom of the barrel way behind. Any day now, they should pop up in China.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

If they do pop up in China maybe they’ll get sent to a labor camp and finally learn what the word “oppression” means.

Bogdan Cvetkovic
5 years ago

If they do pop up in China maybe they’ll get sent to a labor camp and finally learn what the word “oppression” means.

Or maybe they’ll end up in North Korea. One can dream.

emilygoddess - MOD
emilygoddess - MOD
5 years ago

I never got 4chan and 8chan’s obsession with anime. They seem to especially enjoy using lolicons in their pictures and avatars.

I wonder if the two are connected: anime and manga both have pretty big kiddie-porn subgenres, and unlike child porn with actual children, it’s not illegal to possess in some of their home countries.

strivingally
5 years ago

I think that “quotemining”, in this case, means “didn’t include all the comments that weren’t terrible”, as though there’s some parts-per-million threshold the shit has to cross before you’re allowed to object to it. Unfortunately for them, human decency is not an urban water treatment system and we are not required to tolerate shit just because it’s an infinitesimal amount.

Schopenhauer’s Law of Entropy:

If you put a spoonful of wine in a barrel of sewage, you get sewage.

If you put a spoonful of sewage in a barrel of wine, you get sewage.

Yes, channers, YOU’RE the sewage in that analogy.

Cthulhu's Intern
5 years ago

Hey guys, I have to write this paper for college. I have quite a few academic journal articles and I need to cite them. I can’t just take quotes from them, otherwise I’d be quote mining and taking quotes out of context. What do I do?

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Just say that SJWs are destroying western civilization. It’s unassailable logic and sure to get you an A.

Cthulhu's Intern
5 years ago

The paper is about how solid state drives will change digital forensics. Eh, it will still work.

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

Apparently, you just photocopy all the articles, staple them together, and put a report cover on it. That way, you never ever take anything out of context or quote mine. And since quote mining and taking things out of context are the very worst things anyone can ever do, you can be proud of the F your efforts will earn you!

grumpyoldnurse
grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

Maybe add WWTH’s SJW suggestion as an addendum in the back, and it will get you that A you’ve been craving!

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

I’m sure there’s a YouTube video of someone proving that SJWs are ruining digital forensics. Everyone knows YouTube is the most credible source there is. Academic journals are part of the feminist/Jewish conspiracy and are not credible sources.

I’m trying so hard to sound more ridiculous than gamergaters and I am failing. Curse you Poe’s law.

Robert
Robert
5 years ago

Bogdan – their vision of principled resistance is standing athwart History, shouting, “YOU’RE NOT MY REAL DAD!”

Bina – 4Chan is willing to state clearly ‘Gaters not welcome’. There may not be much more difference than that, but it’s there. 8Chan proclaims ‘Gaters welcome!’ and wallows in the filth.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Or maybe they’ll end up in North Korea. One can dream.

Oh, devoutly to be wished!

Also, I love that sewage analogy. Decent people just don’t hang out in chan-land. Bad barrels make bad apples.

Deoridhe
5 years ago

Maxkey: Probably didn’t get out enough to meet a proper paranoid schizophrenic… They can be really scary.

No.

Just no.

Collateral damage is not cool.

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I’ve been struck by how “just a few bad apples” has become the go to argument for every asshole on the internet. People seem to have forgotten the phrase is “just a few bad apples spoil the bunch.”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

They do seem to have forgotten that most people’s reaction to pulling out multiple bad apples would be “I don’t trust this barrel, not eating anything from here” rather than “hey, let’s try some more!”.

Dan Kasteray
Dan Kasteray
5 years ago

I have actually slept with a transsexual woman once, she was a male to female and had pre-op genitals but female everything else. After that experience I wasn’t traumatised, afraid or in any way damaged. It was just me and another consenting human being, who happened to be hated by the 4chan turd brigade.

So take it from someone who has had maybe the most minimal contact in his life with the BT part of LGBT, they ain’t that scary.

Shaenon
5 years ago

I think that “quotemining”, in this case, means “didn’t include all the comments that weren’t terrible”, as though there’s some parts-per-million threshold the shit has to cross before you’re allowed to object to it.

I saw the original thread. It was 99.9% terrible. David didn’t even post the worst comments.

In this case, the transphobia is literal fear. They’re terrified of women of all descriptions.

Kakanian
Kakanian
5 years ago

@ququasar

The logs GG released makes it seem that they were only banned because they constantly broke the “no spam rule”, not because the mod crew had a problem with their politics.

Kellie Gator (@kelliegator)

The bathroom thing that this one person brings up is hilarious because it’s an argument commonly presented by far right politicians and gives the implications that trans women are rapists by default, even if there are pretty much no instances of transwomen ever causing much of a situation.

Also, if I remember correctly, didn’t the US pretty much declassify transsexualism as a mental illness?

ignorantianescia
ignorantianescia
5 years ago

Also, if I remember correctly, didn’t the US pretty much declassify transsexualism as a mental illness?

Yes, that seems to be what the APA says:

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder.

It also mentions this, however:

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of “gender dysphoria.” Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as “gender identity disorder.”

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