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Zoe Quinn's screenshots of 4chan's dirty tricks were just the appetizer. Here's the first course of the dinner, directly from the IRC log

Sorry, guys. I actually read the logs.
Sorry, guys. I actually read the logs.

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A couple of days ago, embattled indie game designer Zoe Quinn embarrassed some of her biggest critics by posting screenshots she’d collected from a 4channer IRC channel, showing an assortment of hateful and duplicitous #GamerGaters literally conspiring to wreck her reputation and create the illusion of a vast grassroots uprising against alleged corruption in the gaming business.

Her critics, put on the defensive, tried their best to dismiss her screenshots as “cherry picked,” and a few even accused her of writing the very messages she screenshotted and posted. Oh, there might be a few bad apples in the bunch, some were willing to concede, but they were in the minority.

And then they pulled out what they thought was their trump card: the full chat log from the IRC channel #burgersandfries from when the Zoe Quinn “scandal” first erupted in mid-August up until September 6th. All anyone had to do, they suggested, was to read the log, and they would soon see that Quinn was presenting a distorted picture based on out-of-context, “cherry-picked” quotes.

Of course, reading this particular log is a bit easier said than done: it’s 3756 pages, in 10-point type, of chaotic overlapping IRC conversations.

This is a classic case of what’s come to be known as “doc dumping,” which Wikipedia helpfully defines as

the act of responding to an adversary’s request for information by presenting the adversary with a large quantity of data that is transferred in a manner that indicates unfriendliness, hostility, or a legal conflict between the transmitter and the receiver of the information. The shipment of dumped documents is unsorted, or contains a large quantity of information that is extraneous to the issue under inquiry … .

It’s clear that those posting links to the log are hoping that their opponents will take one look at this enormous, messy document and simply give up.

What they didn’t count on was anyone calling their bluff – and actually taking the time to read it. Because if they actually knew what this document contained, and thought anyone would actually read the thing, they would have kept the links to themselves.

Even a quick skim through the document demonstrates that Quinn’s screenshots are hardly cherry-picked; you can flip to literally any page in this long, long document and find evidence of egregious misogyny and outright malice. Look a little deeper and you can find discussions of doxxing and spamming and all sorts of other dirty tricks.

But I’ve given the document a lot more than a quick skim. So far I’ve spent probably ten hours going through it, collecting evidence of all the things that the defenders of 4chan insist isn’t there. Even after ten hours, I’ve only begun to scratch the surface, but I would like to present you with some of my results so far.

Today, let’s look at some of what the 4chan chatters had to say about Zoe Quinn herself.

On Twitter, the standard line of the #GamerGate partisans is that what they’re doing isn’t abut Quinn herself; its a protest against corruption and nepotism in the video game world. They also insist that they’re not motivated by misogyny, and that they are more concerned about the alleged ethical lapses of game journalists than they are with just who Zoe Quinn allegedly slept with.

When it comes to the 4channers in #burgersandfries, these claims are complete and utter bullshit. The name “Zoe” appears 4778 times in the document, more than once per page; by contrast, “Nathan” – the first name of the allegedly corrupt game journalist she allegedly slept with – appears only 108 times. The words “ethics” and “ethical” appear, collectively, only 146 times.

Zoe’s name is in the official thread topic; chatters include it in their jokey nicknames. She’s the topic everyone always comes back to. She’s the reason everyone is there.

I decided to examine each occurrence of the name “Zoe” in order to see just what 4channers thought of her. After about 6 hours on this particular quest, I’ve only made it through roughly one-third of the mentions. But the results are not pretty.

The 4channers express their hatred and disgust towards her; they express their glee at the thought of ruining her career; they fantasize about her being raped and killed. They wonder if all the harassment will drive her to suicide, and only the thought of 4chan getting bad publicity convinces some of them that this isn’t something they should hope for.

They gleefully distribute nude pictures of her, posting links to online archives of them and emailing them directly both to Quinn’s supporters.

They dig up all sorts of information about her and her family and do their best to track down anyone and everyone with even the most tenuous links to her. One industrious researcher even manages to find a picture of Quinn at age 13; while acknowledging that it had no relevance whatsoever to issues of gaming ethics, she posts a link to it anyway.

And then there is the ongoing discussion of her vagina, described variously as “wide,” large enough to “fit 12 dicks at once, and “a festering cheese-filled vagina” that leaves “a trail of cunt slime” wherever she goes. Several 4channers speculate about its smell.

It’s not clear how exactly the size or shape or smell of Quinn’s vagina relates to the high-minded issues of gaming ethics that the #GamerGaters are said to be concerned with. But in the IRC log no one ever seems to call out any of those talking about Quinn in the crudest sexual terms.

Lets’ go to the logs directly. Everything that follows is cut and pasted directly from the full log, available here.

That said, IRC discussions can be chaotic and confusing, generally with more than one conversation going on at once, so in some cases, I have removed extraneous comments in order to make what is being said clearer. I’ve indicated all cuts with ellipses, and if you want to see what I’ve removed it should be trivial for you to locate the quotes in the full log by doing a search for an appropriate phrase or the relevant time and date stamp.

TRIGGER WARNING for discussion of rape, suicide and murder.

The log starts early on in the Zoe Quinn “scandal,” and numerous people in the chat talk about distributing her nude pictures to as many people as possible:

Aug 18 17.37.57 <SweetJBro> lol I’m tweeting Zoe’s nudes to some of her defenders.

A few days later, several other chatters talk about harassing Quinn by sending her own nude pictures to her:

Aug 21 23.20.35 there should be a massive campaign to tweet zoe her own nudes …
Aug 21 23.21.01 <Silver|2> They’ve been tweeted at her a lot

Here’s a chatter making clear that he’s mainly interested in seeing Quinn suffer:

Aug 18 20.10.06 i couldnt care less about vidya, i just want to see zoe receive her comeuppance

Here are some speculating about her state of mind:

Aug 19 01.34.01 if you were zoe right now what would you do
Aug 19 01.34.07 <FIVE-GUYS> get mugged
Aug 19 01.36.41 in all seriousness, i dont know
Aug 19 01.37.03 <FIVE-GUYS> ive never been in a situation like this
Aug 19 01.37.15 i’d probably kill myself tbh

Here are some others talking about the possibility of Quinn committing suicide, a possibility one chatter greets with a smiley:

Aug 19 02.28.30 okay, is zoe actually depressed?
Aug 19 02.28.35 i bet she is now
Aug 19 02.28.37 <mugg> diagnosed etc?
Aug 19 02.28.39 kek …
Aug 19 02.29.22 <Opus> I think she tried killing herself before
Aug 19 02.29.28 <kailasha> she should try that again :^)

“Kek,” by the way, is a nerdy version of “lol.”

Here one chatter suggests that focusing only on Quinn is a bad idea – because it will make 4channers look bad:

Aug 21 17.23.31 <sarahv> The problem is that making it about Zoe sleeping around amounts to a personal attack which, while funny and something she totally deserves, will hurt our chances of pushing the other point …
Aug 21 17.23.38 <rd0951> ./v should be focused on the implications of gaming journalism …
Aug 21 17.23.47 Because SJWs will cherry-pick the /b/ shit posting and say “See? It’s sexist MRAs!”

A few days later, this (relative) voice of moderation gleefully jokes about Quinn being choked to death during sex:

Aug 22 02.02.46 <CutestGAmerGorl> Okay guys, how much does Zoe like being choked
Aug 22 02.02.49 <CutestGAmerGorl> during sex? …
Aug 22 02.02.58 <sarahv> clearly not enough

Here one chatter openly fantasizes about driving Quinn to “an hero” — that is, kill — herself:

Aug 21 17.48.06 I’m debating whether or not we should just attack zoe …
Aug 21 17.48.29 <Opfag> push her… push her further….. further, until eventually she an heroes …
Aug 21 17.48.51 <OtherGentleman> … What makes you think she has the balls to kill herself?
Aug 21 17.48.57 I kind of want to just make her life irrepairably horrible …
Aug 21 17.49.16 <NASA_Agent> but what if she suicides …
Aug 21 17.49.24 <Opfag> Good.
Aug 21 17.49.29 Then we get to troll #Rememberzoe

One chatter warns that this strategy might … make 4chan look a tad misogynistic:

Aug 21 17.49.45 The more you try to attack her directly, the more she gets to play the victim card and make a bunch of friends who will support her because, since she has a vagina, any attack is misgony

Meanwhile, one of the other chatters suggests a rather creative division of labor amongst partisans of different 4chan message boards:

Aug 21 17.49.48 <rd0951> ./v should be in charge of the gaming journalism aspect of it. /pol should be in charge of the feminism aspect, and /b should be in charge of harassing her into killing herself

In the following excerpt, the IRC channel moderator asks one chatter why he is so obsessed with elaborate fantasies of Quinn dying in particularly gruesome ways:

Aug 21 18.26.37 <Cyberserker> You need a reason …
Aug 21 18.28.14 <Opfag> Well I don’t have a legitimate reason.
Aug 21 18.28.21 <Cyberserker> Nothing?
Aug 21 18.28.21 <Opfag> I just want to see her die horribly.
Aug 21 18.28.29 <Cyberserker> I’m talking about [your particular fantasies]
Aug 21 18.28.33 <Opfag> Oh.
Aug 21 18.28.39 <totality> sometimes you just want someone to get hurt
Aug 21 18.28.43 <Opfag> That, I have no idea
Aug 21 18.28.48 <totality> nothing wrong with that
Aug 21 18.28.51 all I know is I want zoe to die like that

While some fantasize about Quinn dying, others fill the chat with crude and often bizarre sexual remarks. All of the following comments came from a mere seven minutes in the chatroom:

Aug 22 02.21.54 i want to smell zoe quinn’s armpits …

Aug 22 02.25.42 you all would fuck the zoeholes
Aug 22 02.25.46 <JTG> given a chance too
Aug 22 02.25.47 <The_Remover> I am extremely aroused right now …

Aug 22 02.26.47 someone seduce zoe quinn
Aug 22 02.26.53 <vanu> follow the shekels
Aug 22 02.26.56 <The_Remover> I volunteer to take one for the team
Aug 22 02.26.57 <vanu> to her vagina …

Aug 22 02.28.51 meditate to nude pictures of zoe
Aug 22 02.28.53 <The_Remover> she gonna get raped

Of course, the 4channers are quick to profess disgust at the assorted nude pictures of Quinn they’re happily passing around to one another and the internet at large:

Aug 22 04.50.24 by the by, trigger warning on that mediafire archive. don’t download if you don’t want to see zoe naked …
Aug 22 21.17.13 <JCTheDenthog> Zoe’s mouth must be the strongest vacuum in nature to compensate for her face, body, and everything

Another suggests that his 4chan brethren download Quinn’s nudes if not for their own sexual gratification than for possible further blackmail later:

Aug 22 04.53.14 Eugh, why would you want to have her on your HDD? …
Aug 22 04.53.45 <The_Remover> because, a couple of months from now, when all this shit has died down, a raid may just be in order …
Aug 22 04.54.10 and i bet her dad doesn’t know she did porn …

Several days into the scandal, one chatter laments that there’s not much dirt left to dig on Quinn:

Aug 22 23.00.55 <Drinky_Kraw> I don’t think there’s anything left to harass Zoe over anyway. …
Aug 22 23.01.00 <Drinky_Kraw> The laundry is pretty much all aired

By the 23rd, some bored chatters compare notes on what they see as the relative sexual pros and cons of Quinn and game critic Anita Sarkeesian:

Aug 23 05.40.20 <Josh_> Zoe has a gross robotic hand, blue hair, and tats 4 days
Aug 23 05.40.29 <Josh_> if I was forced to put my dick in one of them
Aug 23 05.40.29 <Josh_> Anita
Aug 23 05.40.39 <GribFabdabgib> If I had to put my dick in them, yeah Anita
Aug 23 05.40.43 Anita is a skinny bitch whos all bones
Aug 23 05.40.48 <DarkHiero> True …

Aug 23 05.41.07 <DarkHiero> But at least it looks like she tries to take care of herself. …
Aug 23 05.41.15 <Headsmash_> From just looks alone, Id rather do Zoe than Anita. Fat bitches usually give better head anyway.
Aug 23 05.41.21 <DarkHiero> If I’m putting my dick in crazy, that matters.
Aug 23 05.42.00 <DTrig> Yeah but odds are good you get the clap/crabs from Zoe
Aug 23 05.42.14 <Headsmash_> Same could be said for Anita based on what we know
Aug 23 05.42.17 <Headsmash_> lol
Aug 23 05.42.32 * DarkHiero shrugs
Aug 23 05.42.34 Anita looks like she douches though
Aug 23 05.42.36 <DTrig> ANd cleans up
Aug 23 05.42.39 Zoe…. eh

And then it’s back to another discussion of suicide:

Aug 23 19.38.17 <Headsmash_> So does anyone think Zoe’s gonna off herself and become a catalyst for misogyny and hatred of women in video games and video game culture? …
Aug 23 19.38.47 if zoe offed herself she probably wouldn’t be anything but an ED article ..
Aug 23 19.38.55 <Araf> Headsmash_: She won’t, she has a too big ego …
Aug 23 19.39.13 <Headsmash_> I’m not too sure about that. I think she could.
Aug 23 19.39.16 <Araf> She would off herself if everyone ignored her and abandoned her, which is not the case. …
Aug 23 19.39.25 <Headsmash_> Depends on how much she gets stuck in the victimization complex. …
Aug 23 19.39.28 Really the 5guys scandal is the most famous Zoe has been …
Aug 23 19.39.43 <rd0952> yeah but she’s also been harassed night and day for a week

Other chatters indulge in sadistic fantasies:

Aug 24 12.24.22 who really wants to meet zoe quinn and be kind and comfort her in this time of crisis
Aug 24 12.24.43 <Cyberserker> Not if you comfort her with a knife-hug
Aug 24 12.24.45 <Cameralady> and slowly, through friendship and blossoming relationship, get her to repair her shitty ways and come clean and become a good person …

Aug 24 12.24.52 <Cameralady> and then
Aug 24 12.24.56 <Cameralady> once she’s reformed
Aug 24 12.24.58 <Cyberserker> knife-hug?
Aug 24 12.25.07 dump her in the most brutal, heartwrenching way possible

One chatter wants his fellow 4channers to declare victory and move on:

Aug 24 15.16.10 <PaperDinosaur> Also Zoe is no longer the target to be focused on
Aug 24 15.16.13 <Josh_> ^^
Aug 24 15.16.14 <sarahv> ^^^^^
Aug 24 15.16.18 It’s about the 5guys
Aug 24 15.16.21 <sarahv> It always has been
Aug 24 15.16.28 <Josh_> It’s more about the journos
Aug 24 15.16.33 <PaperDinosaur> She’s done, we’ve wrecked her in a professional manner. …
Aug 24 15.16.42 <sarahv> Unfortunately most of the people involved in this seem to be interested in destroying Zoe
Aug 24 15.16.46 stop digging up shit on zoe’s past
Aug 24 15.16.47 <PaperDinosaur> Now we have to wreck her shield, the people who tried to defend her

Soon afterwards the same guy who suggested that they move on from Quinn is back making jokes about her killing herself:

Aug 24 16.33.54 <PaperDinosaur> Guys, lets me fair to Zoe here
Aug 24 16.34.02 If every time I did something people sent me nues of her
Aug 24 16.34.07 <PaperDinosaur> I’d fucking kill myself

That same evening, Quinn’s ex-boyfriend – the fellow who started the whole thing going with a long series of blog entries documenting Quinn’s alleged infidelities – shows up on the channel to ask questions from the assembled mob.

Here is one of the questions he chose to answer:

Aug 25 00.02.21 <Cyberserker> Last question is from several people actually. I wanted to save it until the end due to how popular it was.
Aug 25 00.02.22 <Cyberserker> “Would you say Zoe was a “big girl” for you?” …

Aug 25 00.03.04 <Eron_G> she is heavier than people I usually date. …

Aug 25 00.03.12 <Cyberserker> Fair enough …

Aug 25 00.03.14 <ebola-chan> Did she not fly so good?

And a few that he didn’t:

Aug 25 00.04.13 What does her pusy smell like must answer …
Aug 25 00.07.11 Eron, when you went down on her, did you taste the other guys semen? If so, what did it taste like? …
Aug 25 00.10.40 Eron I don’t think you want your headphones back, it’s most likely splattered in Nathan’s semen and Robin’s Menstrual fluids. …
Aug 25 00.16.52 eron are you going to take up sucking dick now that you’ve been cucked by the 2/10 ugly jew

Later that morning the chatters are back to sharing their creepy and violent sexual fantasies:

Aug 25 00.19.28 <EronLovesZoe> I feel like I would probably fuck Zoe. But not out of a loving sense of sexual attraction. More of that “hate fuck” sense where you just want to assert your dominance as a male on her, a primal savagery. Then I’d probably have to sterilize myself to prevent the genome from spreading.
Aug 25 00.19.59 I’d slap a saddle on zoe and ride her throught the midwest
Aug 25 00.20.02 I wouldn’t even get that far EronLovesZoe, I’d just start raging and headbutting her and gnawing on her cheek …

Aug 25 00.20.10 that seabiscuit looking ass bith

And talking again about the pros and cons of trying to get Quinn to kill herself:

Aug 25 07.18.18 <Logan> Any chance we can get Zoe to commit suicide?
Aug 25 07.18.29 if we can get more daming evidence
Aug 25 07.18.29 I think the [doxxing info removed by DF] is a good shot.
Aug 25 07.18.33 <temet> like her fucking a train of lack dudes …
Aug 25 07.18.39 <PaperDinosaur> fuck off Logan
Aug 25 07.18.39 <temet> black
Aug 25 07.18.51 <Logan> Nah 21st century doing a train is so 90s. …
Aug 25 07.18.59 <PaperDinosaur> If she commits suicide we lose everything …
Aug 25 07.20.34 <PaperDinosaur> If you can’t see how driving Zoe to suicide would fuck this entire thing up then you’re a fucking idiot
Aug 25 07.20.41 Imagine the kotaku article …
Aug 25 07.20.48 <temet> PaperDinosaur is right
Aug 25 07.20.51 <temet> not the right PR play

Not. The. Right. PR. Play.

And on that note I am going to end this installment.

This is only a small fraction of the terrible stuff said about Quinn, in the small portion of the log I have managed to read through so far.

I may return with more installments. Honestly, I’m not sure how much more I can stomach.

But I will certainly write more about the 4channers’ discussions about doxxing and hacking Quinn and others; again, I have looked only at a portion of the logs so far, but there is already a great deal there.

EDIT: Just realized that WordPress ate a bunch of the names of the posters in the quotes here. (WordPress likes to eat angle brackets.) I’ll manually add the names back in when I get the chance.

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kirbywarp
kirbywarp
6 years ago

@thebewilderness:

How bizarre is it that these self proclaimed gamers are coming here to object to people talking about what is being done to Zoe? This is not even close to a gaming site. David’s rummaging through the IRC logs must have ruffled lots of feathers for them to come up in arms over here to debate.

Despite David posting about gamergate at least a couple times before now, it wasn’t until this post that they started actually paying attention.

seraph4377
6 years ago

Yes this opened up with Quinn story but for me and a lot of other people it’s aboit getting Games Journalism to fully disclose who they support financially and whether they’re being supported when releasing reviews.

Too bad. Your side is irrevocably associated with rape threats, death threats, and harassment. Should have done something to counter the assholes who were using them, but you didn’t, and now your credibility is shot.

There are plenty of people on both sides who are in the wrong.

Please provide examples of Zoe Quinn’s defenders using rape threats, death threats or harassment. Otherwise, shove your false equivalence up your ass.

With Sarkeesian, she is also being unfairly targeted and her views and claims are good for the industry. However it’s not the points she is making that are bad but she is using poor examples with poor research. Unfortunately any well thought out criticism is buried under ugly comments.

You mean the rape threats, death threats and harassment? Yeah, those are unfortunate.

And understand: every time you try to insist “Yeah but she…” while soft-selling what her harassers have done, you just make yourself look that much worse.

One last problem I personally have is that the term misogyny is being thrown around too lightly and used to blanket all gamers. A lot of people are saying ALL GAMERS HATE ALL WOMEN and although they may not mean that, that’s how it’s being construed and why a few people are getting upset.

Aww, are their feelings being hurt because people use the mean word in response to the rape threats, death threats and harassment? Too bad so sad.

Tessa
Tessa
6 years ago

Lisa:

Commenting here is a loss of time, I feel bad for those who have tried to argue here.

Yet here you are…

I’ve read some really reasoned comment from the gamer’s side, explaining they were against the corruption and not the feminism, but everyone here seems to spitt on everyone who is on the gamer’s side because they are represented by ZQ and with other people as “mysoginists” (like if some people from a group or persons are mysoginists, the whole group suddenly becomes mysoginist under the eye of you guys.). And that’s what makes people considering that ZQ is a hero look silly.

I hope you aren’t another drive by poster. You probably are, but I’ll respond anyway. I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say here. Can you clarify? And can you point me to the reasoned comments from the gamer’s side? And please don’t call it the “gamer’s” side. I’m a gamer.

Also, you should consider the fact that most people don’t hate ZQ because of her infidelity or because she’s a feminist or whatever you want to believe, but most people hate her because she’s acting in an immensely egoistic way, manipulating people with irrelevant “evidences” and such, just so her reputation can still be maintained.

So, you’re saying this started when she posted the evidence? Nothing happened before that? Or people didn’t hate her before that? Or did people start hating her when they sensed psychically that she was going to post “evidence?” Because the hate came first.

Before defending someone just because he/she has the same opinions as yours on some things, try to gather more informations from both sides and make a non emotion-persuaded, solid, and reasoned opinion.

Can you point me to one of yours?

Oh, and also, don’t ignore someone’s argument just because of his ethnicity or gender, that’s called racism or sexual discrimination. (which was at first, I believe, feminism’s enemy… before most of them ended up fighting men and not the actual inequality/discrimination, haha.)

Is this the “White Male” thing? We don’t ignore the argument because they are a “white male.” The argument has already been discussed and dismissed by its merits (or lack there of). But we recognize the people coming in waves holding this opinion are probably white men and most likely have the opinion because of privileges from being a “white male.” This completely allows white men to not have this opinion, and even have OTHER opinions that are totally not wrong. It even allows people who aren’t white men to have this opinion, though it’s less common. It’s a fun cause and effect thing! He isn’t wrong because he’s a white male. He has the opinion because he’s a white male. The opinion is wrong no matter what.

maistrechat
6 years ago

I’m going to show good faith and assume these people actually buy what they are saying. Assuming that’s true …

trying to turn this into a campaign to improve gaming journalism is an ends-means issue.
To adapt police language, any benefits are fruit from the poisoned tree. It’s no good going from here, start over, get a new name.

(true story: I always interpreted “qui veut le fin veut les moyens” as meaning that in seeking some goal you must take responsibility for the methods used. I just found out today that it’s actually the opposite – a variation on “le fin justifie les moyens”)

maistrechat
6 years ago

Also, Sarkeesian isn’t using poor examples. She’s not saying that the tropes are unjustified, she’s saying they are pervasive. Whether or not there’s an explanation for why they are used in a given game is totally irrelevent to the point she’s making.

idledillettante
6 years ago

A good example of playing the victim card might be Eron Gjoni, the ex of Zoe Quinn’s who started this mess by posting a 10,000 word screed on why she cheated and how it makes her manipulative abuser. He really seems to think ginning up a virtual mob was a reasonable reaction to being broken up with. Feel free to tweet him and tell him what a piece of shit he is… I did.

samantha
6 years ago
Reply to  gelar

I think my eyes are one step closer to exploding in their sockets, in a last-ditch attempt to keep me from reading these things. Someone

anyone

save me from my eyes

(Running up to gelar with a cool, soothing eyepillow, filled with gentle and sweet-smelling herbs) There, there. Just lie back and put this on your poor eyes.

Better now? 🙂

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

None of us have claimed Zoe is perfect.
She just doesn’t deserve mass cyberstalking and death threats, no matter WHO she fucked.

And that’s what 4 chan gave us evidence of when they doc-dumped their fucking that is what they were doing-going after Zoe at the behest of her shitweasel ex.

You keep publicly denying this.
The chatlogs prove y’all Gamergate people are more full of shit than a flock of Christmas turkeys on this point.

And to reiterate what I said upthread, if you don’t like the state of gaming journalism, one great way to fix that is to collectively create a site to your own group standards and do your own games reporting.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Oop..fucking chatlogs.

A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

I’ve seen the same jerks discounting the women being harassed complain about the shittalking in games (mostly in a I’M TIRED OF BEING CALLED A [SLUR] BY TWELVE YEAR OLDS, I AS A MATURE 15 YEAR OLD SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE WHATEVER LANGUAGE I WANT THOUGH BECAUSE FREE SPEECH STOP TRYING TO THOUGHT POLICE ME STUPID SJWS context)

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
6 years ago

seraph4377 sez:

And understand: every time you try to insist “Yeah but she…” while soft-selling what her harassers have done, you just make yourself look that much worse.

They just want journalistic integrity.




Unless it makes them look bad.

saphy
saphy
6 years ago

I’m just impressed thay so many of them have finished their math homework and chores in time to be allowed onto the computer for a few hours of trolling us before beddy-byes.

Industrious wee things, aren’t you?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

From Noddy’s post I got “not all gamergaters,” “both sides do it,” “it’s really about journalism,” “it’s not misogyny,” and “but Sarkeeeeeeesian!” Is that bingo?

Yes! You win! Noddy also used, “I’m not saying she deserved it, buuuuuuuut …”

I also got a bingo from Lisa, with “it’s about journo corruption,” “feminism,” “mysoginy [sic],” “not all GGers,” “ZQ deserved it,” “use critical thinking,” “form your own opinion,” and “both sides do it.” Really, Lisa’s post was almost an entire bingo card by itself.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Lisa, rape and death threats and hating her because she is uppity doesn’t actually improve your position. It simply demonstrates that is is entirely about misogynist mobs rampaging.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 years ago

I’m going to make up some new cards for the next post David makes on this topic. Anyone want to make suggestions on the word list? Here’s what I have now:

cherry-picking
not all 4channers
ZQ is crazy
both sides do it
read the whole log!
just messed-up kids
ZQ deserved it
I’m not saying ZQ deserved it, but …
ZQ made it all up
ZQ wants publicity
you’re missing the point
#GG is not about ZQ
EG told people not to harass her
no doxxing
journo corruption
feminism
4chan has valid concerns!
Adam Baldwin
form your own opinion
critical thinking
it’s not really misogyny (or misgony)
this isn’t evidence
those were jokes
nepotism
Anita Sarkeesian
grassroots
the trolls are feminist false flags
ZQ didn’t do what I say the FBI told her to do
no true #GGer

I changed up a few and remove a couple, because the trolls don’t seem to be calling ZQ any gendered names for instance, and I don’t want it to be like those “License Plates of the 50 States” travel games where the kid who got the card with Alaska on it was automatically the loser.

Myoo
Myoo
6 years ago

@Policy of Madness
Suggestions:
-Some of the people in gamergate are women, therefore it can’t be misogynist;
-It started as misogyny, but now it’s about journalistic integrity;
-It’s got nothing to do with 4chan.

Tessa
Tessa
6 years ago

No SJW in there anywhere? also “Mysoginy”

Myoo
Myoo
6 years ago

Also, I meant to say thanks David, for going though that log.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Not really relevant to this thread, but I just wanted to say I like this cartoon. Especially the last panel.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

Macha: I am incredibly sorry. I mean that. I just meant it as an example for this kind of stuff.

I shouldn’t have. Sorry…

Oh, no need to be defensive dear heart. I just live in fear that if THAT kerfuffle starts up again, we’ll all wind up blogged to death by the blogwolves.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Lisa and Noddy. You’ve just used the same arguments we’ve already debunked long ago. Please try harder. You people are boring and unoriginal and bring shame to 4th an which is supposed to have good trolling prowess.

andiexist
andiexist
6 years ago

Let’s pretend everything they say about Zoe is true!

Being corrupt and promiscuous does not mean that someone should die, kill themselves, or be subject to this vitriol.

Not participating in the vitriol does not matter if you defend the people who do so.

Yes, I’m a gamer. Ooo, a female gamer, how scary!

Green Goblin
Green Goblin
6 years ago

,,,,,literally no one cares if you’re a woman. You can claim whatever motivation you want behind it. But at the end of the day, you all paid $150,000 to hear a woman COMPLAIN about video games and 4chan put $20,000 towards women MAKING video games. All that really says to me is that tumblr and twitter is for complainers and 4chan actually gets stuff done. Just sayin’…

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: kirbywarp

So feel free to give a citation.

For people so insistent on fighting journalistic corruption, they seem utterly incapable of this.

RE: WWTH’s Nintendo vid

OMG! Kids playing my childhood! (I still have my NES.) And while at first I was like, “Lolz, kids so spoiled,” after a second I was like, “Yeah, you know, game consoles have improved over the years.” (But seriously, NESs are built like tanks. Mine STILL works.)

Kav P
6 years ago

By the way, if anyone is interested in using the pre-emptive rebuttals I made earlier in this threat in lieu of going through and basically writing it up from scratch every time someone makes the same ludicrous accusations (https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/08/zoe-quinns-screenshots-of-4chans-dirty-tricks-were-just-the-appetizer-heres-the-first-course-of-the-dinner-directly-from-the-irc-log/comment-page-6/#comment-578869) I made a slightly modified Tumblr version here: http://kav-p.tumblr.com/post/97093150579/open-letter-to-gamer-gate-people-from-a-gamer

I hope it’s useful for you. 🙂

cloudiah
6 years ago

you all paid $150,000 to hear a woman COMPLAIN about video games and 4chan put $20,000 towards women MAKING video games.

Let’s see… In addition to earning women the vote, giving women more autonomy and control over our own bodies and lives, and generally kicking the ass of retrograde asshats, feminism also encompasses people who critique the culture that surrounds us. Oh, and feminism is also fighting to get more women into STEM fields, so that we can write our own fucking vidya games.

4chan is a bunch of bigoted, whiny asshats that raised money for TFYC only as part of a larger campaign of doxxing, harassment, and threats against ZQ and her family and friends.

So, since the stuff 4chan gets done is a big steaming pile of shit studded with shards of broken glass and dusted with rat poison, I think I’ll stick with feminism.

Go back to the rest of the whiny brats on 4chan, ‘kay?

Tessa
Tessa
6 years ago

Hey Green Goblin, question. What’s with the 5 commas before your comment? Is that a thing?

patagonianhorsesnake
patagonianhorsesnake
6 years ago

i think that use of the phrase “just sayin” is a good indication that whatever preceded it was asinine.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

Butthurt to be exposed, trolls? For people who send violent rape and murder threats as a form of “entertainment”, they’re very sensitive when called on their misogyny.
Awww poor babies.

Jalli
Jalli
6 years ago

Yes they don’t have very thick skins it seems.

Very cliche. Can dish it but can’t take it. (or something like that)

Binjabreel
Binjabreel
6 years ago

“Talking about death threats makes you deserve them” should be a square.

Also, way to go 4chan, you raised $20,000 and all they had to do was endure a torrent of abuse and violent hatred! And none of them get any of the proceeds anyway! Seriously, we know what a shitpile TFYC turned into, stop pretending that it’s somehow something to be proud of.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

4 chan accomplished what exactly? It got someone harassed? Wow. What an accomplishment!

Why complain so much about Sarkeesian? If journalistic integrity is what you want, you gamer gate people should love her. She doesn’t give uncritical reviews. She actually gives criticism. You can’t have it both ways gamebros.

vaiyt
6 years ago

4chan put $20,000 towards women MAKING video games.

So what, so they have more people to harass when those women sleep with a man? Or maybe in hope they aren’t like THOSE women who don’t like objectification, lack of representation and harassment?

vaiyt
6 years ago

you all paid $150,000 to hear a woman COMPLAIN about video games

She’s giving CRITICISM. Serious criticism, the kind that video games have to go through if you or any of your nerdbro friends wants your medium to be taken seriously.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

@ troll:
Well, you guys do death threats and doxxing for free…and thereby prove exactly how misogynist certain parts of gaming/online culture really are.

I mean… The last time I saw this much frothing outrage, it was being produced by Operation Rescue. Yep. You guys look about as credible as the fetus-thumpers.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Srsly d00dz? $20,000? Have you seen what has been raised in a few weeks for ASL with a bucket of ice? We know what you are 4chan. We have known what you are for a very long time. I remember BB.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

We know what you are 4chan. We have known what you are for a very long time.

QFFT. Never was there a more wretched hive of scum and villainy…

GrumpyOldNurse
GrumpyOldNurse
6 years ago

Easy, there, blahlistic. No need to insult scum and villainy hives by comparing them to 4chan…

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

#notallscumvillains

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Speaking of the ice bucket challenge, did you all see what happened with the autistic high school kid whose horrible little schoolmates tricked him into thinking that’s what he was doing and then poured a bucket of feces and urine over his head? Angry gamer and SF dudes always claim that the reason they’re so angry with women is that women aren’t sensitive enough to social awkwardness caused by autism. If you guys really care about autistic boys, how about putting some sort of fundraiser or support system together for this kid?

(Sadly I already know they won’t, because the little shitheads who tormented that kid were boys, and angry geekboy “activists” only care about boys and men who’re on the autism spectrum when they can be used as a beatstick against women.)

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

@cassandrakitty…those assholes!

TBH, I think the geek boys were bullied. The unfortunate thing is, they have now become bullies themselves, in response.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

@ blahtastic

I know, that poor kid. I wish someone would try to do something about the issue of kids like that being bullied, but the people who claim to care mostly seem to be too busy trying to use autism to excuse shitty behavior towards women at conventions and other geek-focused events to actually help kids who’re struggling to deal with bullying from peers.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Easy, there, blahlistic. No need to insult scum and villainy hives by comparing them to 4chan…

I can’t really think of anything to compare these guys to that won’t be insulting to that thing. I hate centipedes but have to admit they serve a purpose.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Maggots?

Bogdan
Bogdan
6 years ago

If David or anyone else needs brain bleach.

Bogdan
Bogdan
6 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger Would comparing them to Wall St. brokers suffice? At least maggots and flies serve a purpose to the biosphere. Wall St. brokers, however, serve no positive purpose and only ruin people’s lives, much like the assholes from 4chan.

Macha
Macha
6 years ago

@Green Goblin: And again with your hate for Sarkeesian. You’re kinda failing to hide your misogyny when you keep crying about women who *gasp* actually critique video games.

This sadly blows your pretense out of the water. You again prove that for your ilk, it’s not about journalistic ethics – quite the contrary, you try to actively surpress any criticism by women.

Thanks for blowing your own cover. Again.

“Ooo, a female gamer, how scary!”

I still don’t know why these boys are so scared that some of us game. It boggles the mind.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Payday lending companies? They’d be a good analogy in that they may seem to be helping people in the short run, but in the long run they just make things worse.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

Pinworms.

marinerachel
marinerachel
6 years ago

Douches. Those things are marketed as helpful but actually harmful and reinforce inaccurate beliefs about the female body. They’re anti-woman as fuck.

These guys are douches.

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