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Zoe Quinn's screenshots of 4chan's dirty tricks were just the appetizer. Here's the first course of the dinner, directly from the IRC log

Sorry, guys. I actually read the logs.
Sorry, guys. I actually read the logs.

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A couple of days ago, embattled indie game designer Zoe Quinn embarrassed some of her biggest critics by posting screenshots she’d collected from a 4channer IRC channel, showing an assortment of hateful and duplicitous #GamerGaters literally conspiring to wreck her reputation and create the illusion of a vast grassroots uprising against alleged corruption in the gaming business.

Her critics, put on the defensive, tried their best to dismiss her screenshots as “cherry picked,” and a few even accused her of writing the very messages she screenshotted and posted. Oh, there might be a few bad apples in the bunch, some were willing to concede, but they were in the minority.

And then they pulled out what they thought was their trump card: the full chat log from the IRC channel #burgersandfries from when the Zoe Quinn “scandal” first erupted in mid-August up until September 6th. All anyone had to do, they suggested, was to read the log, and they would soon see that Quinn was presenting a distorted picture based on out-of-context, “cherry-picked” quotes.

Of course, reading this particular log is a bit easier said than done: it’s 3756 pages, in 10-point type, of chaotic overlapping IRC conversations.

This is a classic case of what’s come to be known as “doc dumping,” which Wikipedia helpfully defines as

the act of responding to an adversary’s request for information by presenting the adversary with a large quantity of data that is transferred in a manner that indicates unfriendliness, hostility, or a legal conflict between the transmitter and the receiver of the information. The shipment of dumped documents is unsorted, or contains a large quantity of information that is extraneous to the issue under inquiry … .

It’s clear that those posting links to the log are hoping that their opponents will take one look at this enormous, messy document and simply give up.

What they didn’t count on was anyone calling their bluff – and actually taking the time to read it. Because if they actually knew what this document contained, and thought anyone would actually read the thing, they would have kept the links to themselves.

Even a quick skim through the document demonstrates that Quinn’s screenshots are hardly cherry-picked; you can flip to literally any page in this long, long document and find evidence of egregious misogyny and outright malice. Look a little deeper and you can find discussions of doxxing and spamming and all sorts of other dirty tricks.

But I’ve given the document a lot more than a quick skim. So far I’ve spent probably ten hours going through it, collecting evidence of all the things that the defenders of 4chan insist isn’t there. Even after ten hours, I’ve only begun to scratch the surface, but I would like to present you with some of my results so far.

Today, let’s look at some of what the 4chan chatters had to say about Zoe Quinn herself.

On Twitter, the standard line of the #GamerGate partisans is that what they’re doing isn’t abut Quinn herself; its a protest against corruption and nepotism in the video game world. They also insist that they’re not motivated by misogyny, and that they are more concerned about the alleged ethical lapses of game journalists than they are with just who Zoe Quinn allegedly slept with.

When it comes to the 4channers in #burgersandfries, these claims are complete and utter bullshit. The name “Zoe” appears 4778 times in the document, more than once per page; by contrast, “Nathan” – the first name of the allegedly corrupt game journalist she allegedly slept with – appears only 108 times. The words “ethics” and “ethical” appear, collectively, only 146 times.

Zoe’s name is in the official thread topic; chatters include it in their jokey nicknames. She’s the topic everyone always comes back to. She’s the reason everyone is there.

I decided to examine each occurrence of the name “Zoe” in order to see just what 4channers thought of her. After about 6 hours on this particular quest, I’ve only made it through roughly one-third of the mentions. But the results are not pretty.

The 4channers express their hatred and disgust towards her; they express their glee at the thought of ruining her career; they fantasize about her being raped and killed. They wonder if all the harassment will drive her to suicide, and only the thought of 4chan getting bad publicity convinces some of them that this isn’t something they should hope for.

They gleefully distribute nude pictures of her, posting links to online archives of them and emailing them directly both to Quinn’s supporters.

They dig up all sorts of information about her and her family and do their best to track down anyone and everyone with even the most tenuous links to her. One industrious researcher even manages to find a picture of Quinn at age 13; while acknowledging that it had no relevance whatsoever to issues of gaming ethics, she posts a link to it anyway.

And then there is the ongoing discussion of her vagina, described variously as “wide,” large enough to “fit 12 dicks at once, and “a festering cheese-filled vagina” that leaves “a trail of cunt slime” wherever she goes. Several 4channers speculate about its smell.

It’s not clear how exactly the size or shape or smell of Quinn’s vagina relates to the high-minded issues of gaming ethics that the #GamerGaters are said to be concerned with. But in the IRC log no one ever seems to call out any of those talking about Quinn in the crudest sexual terms.

Lets’ go to the logs directly. Everything that follows is cut and pasted directly from the full log, available here.

That said, IRC discussions can be chaotic and confusing, generally with more than one conversation going on at once, so in some cases, I have removed extraneous comments in order to make what is being said clearer. I’ve indicated all cuts with ellipses, and if you want to see what I’ve removed it should be trivial for you to locate the quotes in the full log by doing a search for an appropriate phrase or the relevant time and date stamp.

TRIGGER WARNING for discussion of rape, suicide and murder.

The log starts early on in the Zoe Quinn “scandal,” and numerous people in the chat talk about distributing her nude pictures to as many people as possible:

Aug 18 17.37.57 <SweetJBro> lol I’m tweeting Zoe’s nudes to some of her defenders.

A few days later, several other chatters talk about harassing Quinn by sending her own nude pictures to her:

Aug 21 23.20.35 there should be a massive campaign to tweet zoe her own nudes …
Aug 21 23.21.01 <Silver|2> They’ve been tweeted at her a lot

Here’s a chatter making clear that he’s mainly interested in seeing Quinn suffer:

Aug 18 20.10.06 i couldnt care less about vidya, i just want to see zoe receive her comeuppance

Here are some speculating about her state of mind:

Aug 19 01.34.01 if you were zoe right now what would you do
Aug 19 01.34.07 <FIVE-GUYS> get mugged
Aug 19 01.36.41 in all seriousness, i dont know
Aug 19 01.37.03 <FIVE-GUYS> ive never been in a situation like this
Aug 19 01.37.15 i’d probably kill myself tbh

Here are some others talking about the possibility of Quinn committing suicide, a possibility one chatter greets with a smiley:

Aug 19 02.28.30 okay, is zoe actually depressed?
Aug 19 02.28.35 i bet she is now
Aug 19 02.28.37 <mugg> diagnosed etc?
Aug 19 02.28.39 kek …
Aug 19 02.29.22 <Opus> I think she tried killing herself before
Aug 19 02.29.28 <kailasha> she should try that again :^)

“Kek,” by the way, is a nerdy version of “lol.”

Here one chatter suggests that focusing only on Quinn is a bad idea – because it will make 4channers look bad:

Aug 21 17.23.31 <sarahv> The problem is that making it about Zoe sleeping around amounts to a personal attack which, while funny and something she totally deserves, will hurt our chances of pushing the other point …
Aug 21 17.23.38 <rd0951> ./v should be focused on the implications of gaming journalism …
Aug 21 17.23.47 Because SJWs will cherry-pick the /b/ shit posting and say “See? It’s sexist MRAs!”

A few days later, this (relative) voice of moderation gleefully jokes about Quinn being choked to death during sex:

Aug 22 02.02.46 <CutestGAmerGorl> Okay guys, how much does Zoe like being choked
Aug 22 02.02.49 <CutestGAmerGorl> during sex? …
Aug 22 02.02.58 <sarahv> clearly not enough

Here one chatter openly fantasizes about driving Quinn to “an hero” — that is, kill — herself:

Aug 21 17.48.06 I’m debating whether or not we should just attack zoe …
Aug 21 17.48.29 <Opfag> push her… push her further….. further, until eventually she an heroes …
Aug 21 17.48.51 <OtherGentleman> … What makes you think she has the balls to kill herself?
Aug 21 17.48.57 I kind of want to just make her life irrepairably horrible …
Aug 21 17.49.16 <NASA_Agent> but what if she suicides …
Aug 21 17.49.24 <Opfag> Good.
Aug 21 17.49.29 Then we get to troll #Rememberzoe

One chatter warns that this strategy might … make 4chan look a tad misogynistic:

Aug 21 17.49.45 The more you try to attack her directly, the more she gets to play the victim card and make a bunch of friends who will support her because, since she has a vagina, any attack is misgony

Meanwhile, one of the other chatters suggests a rather creative division of labor amongst partisans of different 4chan message boards:

Aug 21 17.49.48 <rd0951> ./v should be in charge of the gaming journalism aspect of it. /pol should be in charge of the feminism aspect, and /b should be in charge of harassing her into killing herself

In the following excerpt, the IRC channel moderator asks one chatter why he is so obsessed with elaborate fantasies of Quinn dying in particularly gruesome ways:

Aug 21 18.26.37 <Cyberserker> You need a reason …
Aug 21 18.28.14 <Opfag> Well I don’t have a legitimate reason.
Aug 21 18.28.21 <Cyberserker> Nothing?
Aug 21 18.28.21 <Opfag> I just want to see her die horribly.
Aug 21 18.28.29 <Cyberserker> I’m talking about [your particular fantasies]
Aug 21 18.28.33 <Opfag> Oh.
Aug 21 18.28.39 <totality> sometimes you just want someone to get hurt
Aug 21 18.28.43 <Opfag> That, I have no idea
Aug 21 18.28.48 <totality> nothing wrong with that
Aug 21 18.28.51 all I know is I want zoe to die like that

While some fantasize about Quinn dying, others fill the chat with crude and often bizarre sexual remarks. All of the following comments came from a mere seven minutes in the chatroom:

Aug 22 02.21.54 i want to smell zoe quinn’s armpits …

Aug 22 02.25.42 you all would fuck the zoeholes
Aug 22 02.25.46 <JTG> given a chance too
Aug 22 02.25.47 <The_Remover> I am extremely aroused right now …

Aug 22 02.26.47 someone seduce zoe quinn
Aug 22 02.26.53 <vanu> follow the shekels
Aug 22 02.26.56 <The_Remover> I volunteer to take one for the team
Aug 22 02.26.57 <vanu> to her vagina …

Aug 22 02.28.51 meditate to nude pictures of zoe
Aug 22 02.28.53 <The_Remover> she gonna get raped

Of course, the 4channers are quick to profess disgust at the assorted nude pictures of Quinn they’re happily passing around to one another and the internet at large:

Aug 22 04.50.24 by the by, trigger warning on that mediafire archive. don’t download if you don’t want to see zoe naked …
Aug 22 21.17.13 <JCTheDenthog> Zoe’s mouth must be the strongest vacuum in nature to compensate for her face, body, and everything

Another suggests that his 4chan brethren download Quinn’s nudes if not for their own sexual gratification than for possible further blackmail later:

Aug 22 04.53.14 Eugh, why would you want to have her on your HDD? …
Aug 22 04.53.45 <The_Remover> because, a couple of months from now, when all this shit has died down, a raid may just be in order …
Aug 22 04.54.10 and i bet her dad doesn’t know she did porn …

Several days into the scandal, one chatter laments that there’s not much dirt left to dig on Quinn:

Aug 22 23.00.55 <Drinky_Kraw> I don’t think there’s anything left to harass Zoe over anyway. …
Aug 22 23.01.00 <Drinky_Kraw> The laundry is pretty much all aired

By the 23rd, some bored chatters compare notes on what they see as the relative sexual pros and cons of Quinn and game critic Anita Sarkeesian:

Aug 23 05.40.20 <Josh_> Zoe has a gross robotic hand, blue hair, and tats 4 days
Aug 23 05.40.29 <Josh_> if I was forced to put my dick in one of them
Aug 23 05.40.29 <Josh_> Anita
Aug 23 05.40.39 <GribFabdabgib> If I had to put my dick in them, yeah Anita
Aug 23 05.40.43 Anita is a skinny bitch whos all bones
Aug 23 05.40.48 <DarkHiero> True …

Aug 23 05.41.07 <DarkHiero> But at least it looks like she tries to take care of herself. …
Aug 23 05.41.15 <Headsmash_> From just looks alone, Id rather do Zoe than Anita. Fat bitches usually give better head anyway.
Aug 23 05.41.21 <DarkHiero> If I’m putting my dick in crazy, that matters.
Aug 23 05.42.00 <DTrig> Yeah but odds are good you get the clap/crabs from Zoe
Aug 23 05.42.14 <Headsmash_> Same could be said for Anita based on what we know
Aug 23 05.42.17 <Headsmash_> lol
Aug 23 05.42.32 * DarkHiero shrugs
Aug 23 05.42.34 Anita looks like she douches though
Aug 23 05.42.36 <DTrig> ANd cleans up
Aug 23 05.42.39 Zoe…. eh

And then it’s back to another discussion of suicide:

Aug 23 19.38.17 <Headsmash_> So does anyone think Zoe’s gonna off herself and become a catalyst for misogyny and hatred of women in video games and video game culture? …
Aug 23 19.38.47 if zoe offed herself she probably wouldn’t be anything but an ED article ..
Aug 23 19.38.55 <Araf> Headsmash_: She won’t, she has a too big ego …
Aug 23 19.39.13 <Headsmash_> I’m not too sure about that. I think she could.
Aug 23 19.39.16 <Araf> She would off herself if everyone ignored her and abandoned her, which is not the case. …
Aug 23 19.39.25 <Headsmash_> Depends on how much she gets stuck in the victimization complex. …
Aug 23 19.39.28 Really the 5guys scandal is the most famous Zoe has been …
Aug 23 19.39.43 <rd0952> yeah but she’s also been harassed night and day for a week

Other chatters indulge in sadistic fantasies:

Aug 24 12.24.22 who really wants to meet zoe quinn and be kind and comfort her in this time of crisis
Aug 24 12.24.43 <Cyberserker> Not if you comfort her with a knife-hug
Aug 24 12.24.45 <Cameralady> and slowly, through friendship and blossoming relationship, get her to repair her shitty ways and come clean and become a good person …

Aug 24 12.24.52 <Cameralady> and then
Aug 24 12.24.56 <Cameralady> once she’s reformed
Aug 24 12.24.58 <Cyberserker> knife-hug?
Aug 24 12.25.07 dump her in the most brutal, heartwrenching way possible

One chatter wants his fellow 4channers to declare victory and move on:

Aug 24 15.16.10 <PaperDinosaur> Also Zoe is no longer the target to be focused on
Aug 24 15.16.13 <Josh_> ^^
Aug 24 15.16.14 <sarahv> ^^^^^
Aug 24 15.16.18 It’s about the 5guys
Aug 24 15.16.21 <sarahv> It always has been
Aug 24 15.16.28 <Josh_> It’s more about the journos
Aug 24 15.16.33 <PaperDinosaur> She’s done, we’ve wrecked her in a professional manner. …
Aug 24 15.16.42 <sarahv> Unfortunately most of the people involved in this seem to be interested in destroying Zoe
Aug 24 15.16.46 stop digging up shit on zoe’s past
Aug 24 15.16.47 <PaperDinosaur> Now we have to wreck her shield, the people who tried to defend her

Soon afterwards the same guy who suggested that they move on from Quinn is back making jokes about her killing herself:

Aug 24 16.33.54 <PaperDinosaur> Guys, lets me fair to Zoe here
Aug 24 16.34.02 If every time I did something people sent me nues of her
Aug 24 16.34.07 <PaperDinosaur> I’d fucking kill myself

That same evening, Quinn’s ex-boyfriend – the fellow who started the whole thing going with a long series of blog entries documenting Quinn’s alleged infidelities – shows up on the channel to ask questions from the assembled mob.

Here is one of the questions he chose to answer:

Aug 25 00.02.21 <Cyberserker> Last question is from several people actually. I wanted to save it until the end due to how popular it was.
Aug 25 00.02.22 <Cyberserker> “Would you say Zoe was a “big girl” for you?” …

Aug 25 00.03.04 <Eron_G> she is heavier than people I usually date. …

Aug 25 00.03.12 <Cyberserker> Fair enough …

Aug 25 00.03.14 <ebola-chan> Did she not fly so good?

And a few that he didn’t:

Aug 25 00.04.13 What does her pusy smell like must answer …
Aug 25 00.07.11 Eron, when you went down on her, did you taste the other guys semen? If so, what did it taste like? …
Aug 25 00.10.40 Eron I don’t think you want your headphones back, it’s most likely splattered in Nathan’s semen and Robin’s Menstrual fluids. …
Aug 25 00.16.52 eron are you going to take up sucking dick now that you’ve been cucked by the 2/10 ugly jew

Later that morning the chatters are back to sharing their creepy and violent sexual fantasies:

Aug 25 00.19.28 <EronLovesZoe> I feel like I would probably fuck Zoe. But not out of a loving sense of sexual attraction. More of that “hate fuck” sense where you just want to assert your dominance as a male on her, a primal savagery. Then I’d probably have to sterilize myself to prevent the genome from spreading.
Aug 25 00.19.59 I’d slap a saddle on zoe and ride her throught the midwest
Aug 25 00.20.02 I wouldn’t even get that far EronLovesZoe, I’d just start raging and headbutting her and gnawing on her cheek …

Aug 25 00.20.10 that seabiscuit looking ass bith

And talking again about the pros and cons of trying to get Quinn to kill herself:

Aug 25 07.18.18 <Logan> Any chance we can get Zoe to commit suicide?
Aug 25 07.18.29 if we can get more daming evidence
Aug 25 07.18.29 I think the [doxxing info removed by DF] is a good shot.
Aug 25 07.18.33 <temet> like her fucking a train of lack dudes …
Aug 25 07.18.39 <PaperDinosaur> fuck off Logan
Aug 25 07.18.39 <temet> black
Aug 25 07.18.51 <Logan> Nah 21st century doing a train is so 90s. …
Aug 25 07.18.59 <PaperDinosaur> If she commits suicide we lose everything …
Aug 25 07.20.34 <PaperDinosaur> If you can’t see how driving Zoe to suicide would fuck this entire thing up then you’re a fucking idiot
Aug 25 07.20.41 Imagine the kotaku article …
Aug 25 07.20.48 <temet> PaperDinosaur is right
Aug 25 07.20.51 <temet> not the right PR play

Not. The. Right. PR. Play.

And on that note I am going to end this installment.

This is only a small fraction of the terrible stuff said about Quinn, in the small portion of the log I have managed to read through so far.

I may return with more installments. Honestly, I’m not sure how much more I can stomach.

But I will certainly write more about the 4channers’ discussions about doxxing and hacking Quinn and others; again, I have looked only at a portion of the logs so far, but there is already a great deal there.

EDIT: Just realized that WordPress ate a bunch of the names of the posters in the quotes here. (WordPress likes to eat angle brackets.) I’ll manually add the names back in when I get the chance.

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sparky
sparky
7 years ago

“No one’s” not “No Inez’s.”

My spell check really likes the name Inez.

booburry
7 years ago

I know when I want to protect something I really love I cover it with feces and toxic waste so that nobody will want to touch it with a 500ft pole.
*nods*
Mhm. Perfectly logical, gamergate douchebros.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
7 years ago

No, you do not need to be evil to understand how abusive people operate.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I know people are probably wanting to smack a diagnosis on this behavior, but sorry, “shithead” isn’t a category recognized in the DSM.

J. Russell
J. Russell
7 years ago

#GamerGate didn’t start until August 27th when Actor Adam Baldwin first created it. Everything posted here is unrelated to #GamerGate, preceding that date. Please do better fact checking next time.

Some Guy
Some Guy
7 years ago

Bad people exist, but their inane chatter on IRC does not excuse the widespread corruption and fraud that is prevalent in games journalism and awards events.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

And yeah, people who’re not evil who’ve seen abusive behavior up close and personal before tend to recognize it and understand how it works quite easily.

A
A
7 years ago

These kinds of comments would never be found on a feminist chat room, no sir.
They have nothing to hide, so there’s no reason for them to ever make their logs available.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Yeah, the 4- channers don’t do empathy, so people are just sort of amusing things to play with.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
7 years ago

“No matter what women do, mobs of guys on the internet will trade crude sexual remarks about them and share detailed rape and suicide fantasies. And that’s why we don’t have a problem.”

^^^^^^

cloudiah
7 years ago

Scroll up for a bunch more trollpoop in the comments here.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

A word to the trolls:

Try to be a little bit less obviously from 4chan trying to do some sort of damage control, mkay?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

These kinds of comments would never be found on a feminist chat room, no sir.

*checks off “both sides do it”*

their inane chatter on IRC does not excuse the widespread corruption and fraud that is prevalent in games journalism and awards events.

*checks off “journo corruption”*

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Ah, I see we’ve reached the “try to distract them with random nonsense” stage of the troll raid.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
7 years ago

#GamerGate didn’t start until August 27th when Actor Adam Baldwin first created it. Everything posted here is unrelated to #GamerGate, preceding that date. Please do better fact checking next time.

Which is why the IRC logs talk about trying to poke Adam Baldwin into making a statement. Totally unrelated.

Bad people exist, but their inane chatter on IRC does not excuse the widespread corruption and fraud that is prevalent in games journalism and awards events.

Random appeals to high ideals like stopping corruption and fraud doesn’t excuse widespread harassment and an orchestrated hate campaign.

These kinds of comments would never be found on a feminist chat room, no sir.
They have nothing to hide, so there’s no reason for them to ever make their logs available.

*snore* Wake me up when a feminist site orchestrates a harassment and doxing campaign.

booburry
7 years ago

Also just echoing the thanks to David. I do not have the stomach to read through that garbage and I really appreciate that you do. I’m forever broke but it has pushed me to donate what little I can.

blahlistic (@blahlistic)

Abuse is about power. Abusers feel a need to have power over and control other people. This is usually a compensation for feelings of powerlessness that the abuser has from some other area of their life.
These guys are doing it because it’s their warped way of feeling empowered and in control. It’s not true, though; just because you can make someone else feel shitty, does not make you any more in control of your own life. But they aren’t the most self-aware lot.

I never became an abuser because I feel the pain of other people and animals quite keenly. Otherwise I probably would have, I had enough anger and feelings of helplessness at one point.

natecull
7 years ago

So basically these are kids who like pulling the legs off flies for fun, except the flies are people.

I think I’ve never felt as much actual horror about the future of our society as I have staring into this abyss. This is literal psychopathy, and a generation’s growing up thinking it’s normal. What happens when these guys become the political class?

booburry
7 years ago

Bad people exist, but their inane chatter on IRC does not excuse the widespread corruption and fraud that is prevalent in games journalism and awards events.

What does this shit have to do with corruption? Even if Zoe slept with the reviewer guy, he didn’t fucking review her game. Her game that was fucking FREE to download. She has absolutely fucking nothing to do with journalistic corruption and yet the VAST majority of you fuckers are just harassing her and doing nothing to fix…anything.
Journalistic integrity is just your shield to try and hide the fact that you’re a bunch of terrible human beings. “#notyourshield” my fucking ass.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

I’m sorry, I should be clearer. I did not mean to imply that people who aren’t evil can’t recognize and understand evil and abusive behavior when they see it in action. Or get that evil and abusive people are in it to hurt people.

I meant to say that whole, “Holy shit! I don’t get it! Why would people want to do this thing that clearly harms others?” reaction. The whole, I guess what I’m trying to get at is, trying to understand how some people can take pleasure in others’ pain, and go to great lengths to cause people pain (and of course, not talking about in the setting of a consensual kink scenario because that is a totally and completely different situation). Trying to understand how someone can do something like this, go out of their way to hurt someone and totally enjoy it. And not even care. That’s what I’m trying to get at.

Again, sorry.

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

Trolls, you silly fuckwits. We can read your words, we know your motives. Do you feel icky and creepy right now? I hope so. You might have a chance to redeem yourselves. If not, realize you’re on the side of assholes who get off on harassing women, hoping she suicides and that her loved ones suffer. That’s your team. Own it. We know you don’t care about journo corruption — it never occurred to you to harass the actual journalist involved.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

I reckon I should take “feminism” and “you’re missing the point” as well.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

There seems to be a reinforcing mechanism involved in this stuff too, where the people involved feed off each other’s praise and that makes them want to keep doing it and push further and further even more. It’s one of the unfortunate side-effects of the internet, the way it makes it easier for awful people to find and reinforce each other.

Alais
7 years ago

@A,

These kinds of comments would never be found on a feminist chat room, no sir.
They have nothing to hide, so there’s no reason for them to ever make their logs available.

So, A, your defense is that feminists whom you can’t identity have probably done something similar to this on a chatroom that you can’t identify, but you want the logs to it anyway. You’re going to have to be more specific with your requests.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

#GamerGate didn’t start until August 27th when Actor Adam Baldwin first created it. Everything posted here is unrelated to #GamerGate, preceding that date. Please do better fact checking next time.

Alec Baldwin did it? And that explains/excuses the people relishing the thought of pushing Zoe Quinn to suicide how…?

Bad people exist, but their inane chatter on IRC does not excuse the widespread corruption and fraud that is prevalent in games journalism and awards events.

Well, that’s just a total non-sequitur. And of course, all those people who are really just concerned about journalistic integrity are loudly decrying Quinn’s harassment, right? Right?

drmrsthemonarch1
drmrsthemonarch1
7 years ago

I feel like I would probably fuck Zoe. But not out of a loving sense of sexual attraction. More of that “hate fuck” sense where you just want to assert your dominance as a male on her, a primal savagery. Then I’d probably have to sterilize myself to prevent the genome from spreading.

A. You’ve obviously never had sex.
B. That’s not how reproduction works.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

Adam Baldwin, not Alec. Jeez.

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

And no, I’m not saying you should harass the actual journo journalist involved, for christ’s sake.

Troll A, thanks for this bit of horseshit:

“These kinds of comments would never be found on a feminist chat room, no sir.
They have nothing to hide, so there’s no reason for them to ever make their logs available.”

By all means, go to a legitimate feminist chat room (not a chatroom filled with conservative, MRA assholes who only discuss strawman arguements) and try to find absuive fapping like this. Go ahead. We’re waiting for the citations.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
7 years ago

Scene: an office at a school

Pierre: Ah, Larry, please take a seat. I want to talk to you about your book report on ‘A Tale of Two Cities’

Larry: What about it?

Pierre: It is clearly just a copy of ‘A Tale of Two Cities’ with your name and the words ‘book report’ written inside the cover.

Larry: So? It’s a good edition. Hardbound.

Pierre: Yes, but that’s not how you write a book report. You have to distil the book to what you believe is its essence, and justify your opinions with selective quotes.

Larry: (gasp) You mean cherry-pick? Quote out of context? Mr Pierre! How dare you suggest such a thing! No, no, no, I have too much journalistic integrity for that! No, the only proper writing on ‘A Tale of Two Cities’ is the book itself, complete and unabridged. I’ll take that ‘A’ now, please.

Pierre: No! Look, this is simple. Beginning shortly before the French Revolution…

Larry: There you go! Cherry picking! It’s also shortly before the invention of the steamship! Didn’t mention that, did you? It’s also centuries after the Mongolian invasion of Persia, did you think to mention that? Next you’ll be telling me that Sidney Carton is guillotined. What about all the chapters in which he is alive and well? No, if I’ve done anything wrong, its that I’ve cherry picked too much! I should have handed in the complete works of Dickens, Carlyle’s History of the French Revolution, the Declaration of the Rights of Man, period maps of London and Paris, the Anatomy Act of 1830, a scale model of the Bastille…

Pierre: For God’s sake, Larry, just read the Cliff Notes.

Larry: There’s a Cliff Notes for this? Sweet. Back in an hour. Keep the book!

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
7 years ago

The trolls showing up here for their share of the trollhouse cookies obviously have not read all the logs. Else they would not be making claims that the logs clearly refute. Or maybe they would WTF know.

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

They don’t know they’re misogynists? Or are they surprised that other people are repulsed by misogyny? If so, their uinverse is the size of a shoebox, and up until now, they’re only used to rubbing elbows with people who enable their hatred. Must be confusing.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
7 years ago

@cassandrakitty: There seems to be a reinforcing mechanism involved in this stuff too, where the people involved feed off each other’s praise and that makes them want to keep doing it and push further and further even more. It’s one of the unfortunate side-effects of the internet, the way it makes it easier for awful people to find and reinforce each other.

This is, of course, just the general problem of “group think” and is usually solved either by reference and a constant injection of wider social mores and benchmarking, or the final application of force (such as, to take one example from NZ, the cops showing up to take the kids away from a hippy commune and jail their leader for child abuse).

lkeke35
7 years ago

Cassandrakitty: Sure enough, after a while it sometimes becomes a competition among themselves to see who can say the most outrageous things.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I’ve met a few women who’ve participated in this stuff, and that was particularly interesting (in a lookatyourlifelookatyourchoices kind of way). They seem to believe that by participating in the trashing of other women they’re setting themselves apart in a way that not only proves their superiority but ensures they won’t be victims themselves. To which I always want to say, don’t bet on it, kid.

booburry
7 years ago

I would consider this a “feminist chat room” of sorts. Most people here are feminists or at least agree with the concept, and lots of chatting happens. Yet I don’t see any calls to harass people or rape people or dox people (well, unless not blurring out their username when they leave public comments on the internet counts).
Whenever people here pick on an opponent’s weight or looks or sanity – even if said opponent is loathed by all – they are usually called out right away and the comments stop. They usually even apologize! For criticizing people that think we aren’t even human, and that we might deserve to be raped/beaten/killed.

But sure! Feminist chatrooms are exactly like 4chan. Totally the same thing.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Laziest trolling ever, dudes.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

They don’t know they’re misogynists? Or are they surprised that other people are repulsed by misogyny?

Based on my observations, the former seems more likely. They’re only attacking one (or a small number) of individual women, not advocating for all women to get back into the kitchen. They seem to have misconceptions about misogyny, and they think it only applies if someone were to, for instance, pass a law that would strip all women of voting rights.

I think some of them, though, would not label even that misogyny. There is a relatively small group that thinks that if you can come up with some kind of excuse for treating women as subhumans, then treating women as subhumans isn’t misogyny. Misogyny, to that group, has to be completely lacking a rationale in order to qualify as misogyny.

In any case, tearing about a single woman won’t blip their radars, even though they are doing it in a sexualized manner that would never be applied to a male target. That’s not misogyny in their books. It’s just standard raiding.

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

So, Zoe is such an evil wench, all death and rape threats are rational? Essh. You have to lack introspection for that line of thinking. Of course, that’s the same reason I never go to TV fan forums anymore.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Speaking of TV fan forums and the crap therein, this is relevant to our interests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html?_r=1&amp;

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

Here’s another Bingo card, because I just realized that the first page didn’t list all of the possible words I inputted. (I actually got 10 of these, but did we really need 10?)

http://imgur com/0PYqKnm

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

Yes! I’ve read that article, Cassandra. “…not treating Skylar by the same standards they treat Walt.” is entirely relevant.

deniseeliza
deniseeliza
7 years ago

I don’t know any “feminist chatrooms” but I do know that this blog here has, what was it, nearly half a million comments? I wonder if any random troll can find death threats, doxing, or suicide wishes in the comments here that went without serious challenge. If anyone does do something like that, we tell them to cut it the fuck out and we’re serious about it. We aren’t like “omg it would be bad if we drove that MRA to suicide because of PR”. We’re more like “holy shit what is wrong with you, why would you say something like that, apologize or leave”.

The most “violence” you’re going to get here is wishing that someone steps on Lego pieces.

mildlymagnificent
7 years ago

I had no idea that wombats could be friendly, cuddly and sweet with humans!

Only while they’re babies. They’re really easy for wildlife carers to raise for that reason, so I’m told. It doesn’t matter if you have a tame, cuddly, domestic-style relationship with them while they’re small. When puberty hits, there are no worries about “introducing” them to living wild.

They just take off and never look back.

marinerache
marinerache
7 years ago

Rape fantasies and death threats? Overt sexual objectification? Sure, that stuff’s not nice BUT LET’S TURN OUR FOCUS TO WHAT WE PERCEIVE AS SLOPPY JOURNALISM, THE REAL EVIL HERE!

That fact that these bros are so fucking incensed by women whom disagree with them but merely shrug their shoulders in response to men abusing women is a good indicator of their priorities. It indicates they don’t really care about the wellbeing of women, just brofeels. A man going uncriticised is worth a hundred women receiving rape threats.

pendraegon
pendraegon
7 years ago

Oh 4chan this, this is the quality of trolling you’re offering these days. That’s just sad, I remember when trolling for lulz was a skill set people practiced. J and A you should be ashamed, at least back in the day channers put some work into being self righteous little sociopaths. Now apparently you just have to spit out someone’s elses talking points to call it a win.

You’re not even impressive villains anymore, much less that anti-heroes so many of you like to pretend to be.

marinerachel
marinerachel
7 years ago

Honestly, some of them stay cuddly in adulthood but they’re always wild and will revert to natural behaviours. A friend in NZ had one live in her yard as a sort of pet who was a cuddlebug into adulthood because all it ever knew for companionship was people. If it had been given a chance to go wild it wouldn’t have. If it had just been given wombat companionship it would have been markedly wilder.

Raccoons, bobcats, foxes are the same for us. You handraise them as babies and they’re sweet as can be. Then they mature and are naturally aggressive and very weary of you. They’re wonderful that way, very little concern of imprinting them and being unable to release a habituated animal.

Leisha Young
Leisha Young
7 years ago

I’m so, so glad we voted to allow the trolls to keep attempting to debunk our community on issues of sexual harassment and abuse online. It’s a source of endless entertainment for me to watch the take-down and to give these ass-hats just a taste of what it’s like to be challenged from all sides and not hold the balance of power. However, saying that, I must also draw the distinction between debunking arguments (which we do), and just harassing people online…which tends to be more the domain of the MRA douch-canoes (at least the really unintelligent ones…of which they are the majority).

This really is my warm place :-).

BTW, I wholeheartedly agree with thanking David for having the stomach to read this stuff and report back. Thank you!

strivingally
7 years ago

Hilarious watching how many of the trolls are following exactly the game plan outlined in the IRC logs … while claiming that’s a handful of trolls that don’t represent the greater cause.

It’s almost like they think we can’t remember the thing we just read that they’re telling us is garbage. It’s pretty crude and amateurish gaslighting.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

“Aug 24 12.25.07 dump her in the most brutal, heartwrenching way possible”

Alreaday been done by ERon guy.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

DF – You are hero.