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You won’t believe what Reddit’s Red Pill ALPHA DOGS are saying about the stolen JLaw nudes. Or maybe you will.

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Well, the denizens of Reddit’s TOTALLY ALPHA Red Pill subreddit have weighed in on the stolen celebrity nude pics that have so many Redditors — and other skeezballs — so excited. And they have some, well, intriguing explanations for why feminists are troubled by the widespread dissemination of stolen nude pictures that were never supposed to be seen by the general public.

In a thread with the lovely title Why are the feminazis so buttdevastated about the leaked nude pics?, a RedPill dude with the lovely handle trpmdsrfggts explains that said feminazis are angry because the pics — some of which show the celebrity women looking like, you know, actual women — are driving down the “price of pussy.”

I’ll let him explain, because his logic is obviously more sophisticated than anything I learned in my pussy economics classes in college:

Why are the feminazis so buttdevastated about the leaked nude pics? (self.TheRedPill)  submitted 2 days ago by trpmdsrfggts  Is it because the fig leaf has fallen only to reveal... something quite forgettable and boring?  I have the feeling that they are disappointed because all of the guys have been choking their chickens to pictures of those celebs, heavily photoshopped pictures, pictures which took a looot of make up and a whole crew of professional photographers to find the most flattering poses imaginable but now that we've finally seen them naked naked we just don't care a whole lot.  Honestly, if you had no idea who any of those women were and came across their pics online would you even give them a second glance?  I think that this is the reason for this huge outrage. Slightly saggy tits, shave burn, small fat rolls around their necks, asses that are kinda flat. They are no longer the women on the podium, the women which represent all others. They are just ordinary, boring and forgettable.  There's been a bunch of leaked photos before, Scarlet Johanson is a perfect example, and there was not even a peep. Why? When her photos leaked she just looked OK, just as we all expected, she wasn't disappointing to look at.  However now we have all of those sex-symbols to truly look at and we are told screeched at that this is (of course) rape and a hideous violation of their human rights.  I think that we just witnessed the price of pussy being dropped because of a blunder in advertising and those ungodly screeches are simply cries of protest, of anger that men have one less reason to think that the average woman hides a supermodel underneath her clothes.

Wow. That seems completely ass-backwards to me, but what do I know? I’m just a beta or gamma or epsilon or pi or whatever Greek letter it is that dudes like me are.

Others in the thread expand upon this, er, argument. I’m just going to paste some of their comments in, because, honestly, trying to parse their “logic” in order to think of funny things to say about them hurts my brain. (Clicking on any of these pics will get you to the original quote in context.)

 

Flaye2 186 points 2 days ago   You see, a woman unconsciously feel bad when sex is associated with a low price, or when the price of sex is lowered.  In the case of these pictures, the men across the internet had gain access to these famous women. Even if it is just their pictures, it drives the price of sex down (no matter how slight), and it annoys them. That's why women are opposed to porn and prostitution.  If a woman can refuse you sex but you have other options, she couldn't use sex as a bargaining tool as much.

trialByException 57 points 2 days ago*   Yep. Two reasons.      As you said, the male sexual gratification market was just flooded with goods. Brings down the price of their own pussy.      But it also gives them a chance to rant on about the horrors of leaked/published nude pics on principle. They hate leaked / published pictures because it lowers the value of their pussy (would a high value man want to be with a girl whose snatch will always be available for the rest of the world to see?) and reveals some truth about their sexual history. Buyers having outside, actual information about your product is gonna hurt your sale price.  Really, their biggest problem with posted pictures is that because it can lower the value of their pussy, the ability to post them gives beta bux boyfriends any leverage over them. It means that they can't be as sadistic as they'd like with BB, even on leaving! Real tragedy for them that they don't get ever get to vent to the beta their actual hatred and resentment of them.

SkorchZang 24 points 2 days ago*   The typical femicunt fully believes that unworthy men looking at her without her permission is a crime against humanity.

Whisper 16 points 2 days ago   Well put.  Men have been masturbating for far too long to the "highlight reels" of certain women. But when their uncut raw footage was exposed, they were revealed to be no more than ordinary women, if slightly on the pretty side.  There's only so pretty that women can get, and pretty much every guy alive knows, personally, at least ten or twenty women who are, in reality, just as good looking as female film stars. The only difference is that the film stars have a PR machine dedicated to making them look good.  Now, pretty is good, and it's important for male happiness. But in overvaluing it, we're created an environment where fake prettiness is shown to us from afar... look, but don't touch (because touching will reveal the illusion). We've created an environment where pretty women have too much power, because we foolishly allow them totally control over their own sexuality (something no other member of society has).  And worst of all, we've created an environment where ordinary women don't strive to be pretty, and pretty women don't make an effort to treat men right.  This is all men's fault. We should have been treating pretty girls like ordinary girls. Instead of selecting the nicest hot chick we can find, we should have been selecting the prettiest girl we can find from among the well-behaved.  Bitches, and even ordinary entitled-feeling hot women, should be invisible to us. If they were ignored in favour of their more submissive (or at least more considerate) sisters, then they'd shape up.  Ultimately, men who boast about their lives of "poppin' bottles and fuckin' models" are overvaluing pussy, because they are making the approval of pretty girls the measure of how much of a man they are. This places women in a dominant position over them,in the same way that complimenting someone is an AMOG move... because he, or she, who judges is the judge.  It is not for pretty women to decide who a real man is. It is instead for real men to decide what women are worthwhile.

Oh, there’s more, so much more, but that’s about all I have time for now, as I need to get back to poppin bottles and, you know, doing whatever else I can to keep up the price of pussy, because, as a male feminist, that’s obviously job number one for me.

 

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  1. and reveals some truth about their sexual history.

    How? Are they able to estimate how often someone’s been penetrated based on how her vagina looks?

    Okay, never mind. They probably believe that that’s true.

    But in all seriousness, this is all kinds of gross. Not only is it treating women like used cars, but it’s treating women as a whole like the housing market. If the “value” of one goes down (in their eyes), then so does the “value” of all other women in the area.

  2. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that was about the false and ridiculous notion that women who’ve had a lot of partners have huge gaping vaginas.

  3. Some people think it’s having multiple personalities or hearing voices–“real crazy” in normal speak, DID or some form of schizophrenic disorder in psychological terms.

    DID and schizophrenia are pretty different…Um… *shrug* just saying…

    …On the mental health board we hang out at, there is a paranoid schizophrenic who tends to get pretty crabby about this distinction. We like her, but she’s gone off on us a few times-treatment resistant schizophrenia is evil, so we don’t take the explodies personally.

    My dad’s pretty much the reason I needed to split off into a small crowd of people inside…and oddly enough, I do not think he is a pure sociopath.
    He has displayed guilt and shame…just not related to me. I was sort of a punchable nuisance by default. Nor do I think he fits the clinical definition of pedophile, I think I was just convenient and malleable.

  4. @blahlistic, First of all, thanks for the link to the interesting article earlier.

    Second, about DID and your dad, that’s an amazing amount of awful. I want to think of something to say to you about how amazing you are to have become such an insightful, intelligent, funny person that won’t sound trite or like some kind of stock sentiment. But well shit, words are limited sometimes.

  5. kittehserf - MOD

    blahlistic, would it be appropriate to say Hi to your system members? Feels rude not to acknowledge them even if you’re the only Mammotheer.

  6. @bhalistic

    Seconding everything that Bella and Kitteh said. You’re a pretty awesome and strong person, and I love reading your comments here.

  7. He has displayed guilt and shame…just not related to me.

    Was it real, though, or was he faking it? My experience with the one person I knew with that diagnosis was that he was very good at faking emotions when it was useful to him to do so. With people with whom it didn’t benefit him to fake it he didn’t bother. It was one of the most disconcerting things about him, the way that he could turn what at first appeared to be emotions on and off like a light switch.

  8. ???

    OK, seriously? What the ever-loving… The “logic.” It buuurrrrrnnnnsss!

    If these guys had their own nude pics posted, without their consent, would they complain that they look too normal and that it lowers the price of penis?

    I just… nope. I got nothin’.

  9. @AIT

    alfalfa male reddit dudebros

    Oh, man! I need to clean my screen!

    Also, now I’m craving sprouts.

  10. Vicious, selfish, ruthless behavior can be a product of one’s socialization alone.

    I know. I watched a woman introduce her youngest child to the idea that snatching things away from other people was a fun thing to do.

    He was under 2, maybe quite a bit under — this happened almost 30 years ago so my mental picture is of their hands not of the people themselves. He had a book which his mother literally snatched out of his hands, he looked a bit startled and upset about this. In the space of a few minutes, she had him hooked on snatching the book out of her hands himself, laughing, and then letting her snatch the book back in turn. My youngest was not much older. I was glad she wouldn’t be going to childcare with him.

    For all I know, he might have had a kind and generous nature which could withstand growing up in a family where this sort of thing was not merely tolerated but encouraged. But it didn’t look promising.

  11. @Alais

    Do you, for example, really think that all of the Nazis were sociopaths?

    No, not all Nazis were sociopaths. In fact, there were at least some who were simply pressured into joining, as a survival tactic. War is hell, and sometimes, it’s pretend to be a predator, or be targeted as prey.

    Also, there were a surprising number of double-agents and the like, who were officially members of the Nazi party, and seemed to agree with it, but were secretly working to save as many of the targeted people (Jews, homosexuals, Romani, political dissidents, mentally ill, etc.) as they could, by working within the system.

    What the Nazi party stood for, its tenets – absolutely heinous. My experience from living in Germany is that most of the people who live there now are heartily ashamed of that history. In fact, people who live in the pretty little town of Dachau have to routinely change their license plates, because they are targeted, simply for living in that town, such is the social stigma attached to it. With good reason. Still, the Germans I knew really *feel* about their history, in general, and that, in particular.

    Granted, most of the people I knew were younger-generations, who either weren’t born for decades later, or else were just babies at the time of the war. I did, however, know some people who lived through the war, as adults, and the ones I knew were very kind, indeed. They were my grandparents’ age. It seems so long ago, for me, yet at the time I lived with, and socialized with the people there, it wasn’t really that long ago. Not for them. For them, it was still raw.

    Of course, I also me a few truly world-class jerks. But you know? Jerks happen everywhere.

    Please understand, I am not in any way defending Nazis or Nazism. l just don’t like the term sociopath slapped onto some people who were just trying to survive.

    Did I mention war is hell? I don’t know why, but for some reason this is just hitting me so hard right now. I’m just thinking about my old friends, and sad about their suffering. I want to cry. I had a friend who lived in Dachau, and she was always afraid of being killed, just for living there. Her parents were just children when the war broke out, but she still lived in danger because of it.

    Meanwhile, people are using the term “feminazi,” and comparing people they don’t like with Nazis, and basically just deflating the “value” of the Halocaust, if you know what I mean. It reminds me of making rape jokes, in a way. I’m having trouble putting all this into words, probably because it’s 4:30 in the morning. I’m just really emotional right now, and want to cry, because, yeah, once upon a time, I knew some really nice Nazis. They didn’t identify as such anymore. Not like the Neo-Nazis who wear the swastika and proclaim their hate for the world to see. But they had been in the party, at the time.

    And then there were some who did believe, at the time, all the propaganda and horrible lies, and then, later, realized just how wrong they were, and turned their backs on their old beliefs, and embraced goodness. It can, and does happen. I believe in redemption, and that people can change for the good. It happens. It’s rare enough, though. Too rare.

    But it’s the fact that so many of the people involved were basically good, and got sucked into such horrible actions is what horrifies me so much about World War II, in the European theater. I’m not so familiar with the Pacific theater at the time, but I know the repercussions of that war, and of the mass-gas-lighting that happened to put the Nazi party in power, are still felt there. Or at least, they were still felt when I lived there, two decades ago.

    Wow, I feel raw right now. I’d better go to bed.

  12. The one and only time I felt like using the term sociopath to describe someone was a former colleague-then-boss, and then only because his office behavior matched the description in the book “Snakes in Suits” by Babiak and Hare who are recognized experts in the field. Sociopaths have a spectrum of severity, just like any other human characteristic, and most of them will never even be arrested much less imprisoned.

    Because of him my workplace turned into a combination of “Gaslight” and “The Twilight Zone.” Yes I was able to document, but if you are up against a highly skilled and charming one, that won’t matter.

    But I think the important thing is for people to grow to the point where they can tell when their buttons are being pushed and be able to take appropriate action for their own well being. That will vary a lot, and they may or may not need help, but that’s ok. In other words, I worked on myself and my own situation since there was no organizational way to deal with him – he’d charmed the people who could’ve stopped him and enforced workplace fairness.

    Might he not be a sociopath? Sure. But I have a whale of a tale that has astounded other workplace psychology professionals I have shared it with.

  13. Lots of people who served as Nazis had no choice and even more had no idea what was going on. Not every Nazi soldier was high-ranking and it’s not like the internet existed at the time. They thought they were doing the right thing.

    Most Nazis weren’t Goering.

  14. @blahlistic – Yeah, what Kitteh and Bella said.

    I can’t pull myself away right now. I am so gonna pay for this in the morning.

  15. @marinerachel – THANK YOU!

    I think I have put my finger on what bothers me so much about the whole “Nazis are bad” thing: It usually winds up being code for “Germans are bad.” And darn it! I have loved too many Germans to swallow that. Also Austrians. Damn Hitler for being Austrian!

    I almost never swear, people, but… DAMN HITLER!

  16. My favorite term for “sociopath” co-workers is one I found on etiquette hell.com: cow-irkers.

  17. kittehserf - MOD

    First time I saw “coworkers” instead of “co-workers” I wanted to read it as cow orkers. I’d love to know what cow orking is and who does it, as long as it’s not related to pheasant plucking.

  18. Wow, alot of thoughtful and interesting points of view here.
    I’m afraid I can’t partake for long since I’m going on a trip (and by the time I get back, the discussion will probably be buried anyway). Taken into account what has been said, I’ve given it further thought.

    I think it all comes down to responsible use of words, intent and context.
    “Crazy” as has been pointed out can be used to completely dismiss someone else’s arguments. True
    It can also be used to exonerate people from their bad behavior. True
    Another falltrap was apparently that it would be assumed that all with mental conditions are lumped together with people who harbor a set of misantropic and evil opinions (in this case). Also true.

    But I mean none of these things. When I talked about “crazy people” in this context, it is with a bit of hope that some of the guys writing about “market price on pussy” are actually in some sort of turmoil.It doesn’t excuse bad behavior as you are still accountable, but “crazy” sort of holds a promise that it is temporary, the depression talking, a delayed son/mother separation turned ugly, that sort of thing.

    I do not see exactly what is so provocative about the idea that mental illness often can be linked to delusional and rigid ways of thinking. I was in that boat during a long depression, with a skewed view on reality. It doesn’t mean that everything I thought and said during the time was batshit, but rather it were ideas that were partially true yet skewed way out of reasonable proportion, and thus mostly false, ergo “crazy talk”.
    Still, the feelings are real and that always needs to be taken into account.

    Fair enough, you shouldn’t armchair diagnose people based on what they say on the internet. But IMO contrarily stating it is ALWAYS about healthy and cheery guys who just thought it’d be fun to hate all women is pretty much the same thing.

    For me “crazy” is more about optimistically reserving a bit of doubt, rather than to either excuse or condemn. Obviously it is speculation, as I cannot possibly say for sure, but is it really a stretch to assume some of them fit the bill?

    To say things like “Oh, but if we acknowledge that it’s sometimes about individual failures, then we jeopardize the social analysis perspective!” is cowardly and an insult to the intellect of any potential reader. Most people can hold two thoughts in their head simultaneously and deserve the credit.

  19. @blahlistic

    Man. That whole argument did all the wrong things.

    I understand that DID and schizophrenic disorders are very different, trust me. I’m that buzzkill yelling at the screen when Hollywood fucks it up or comics use it for cheap laughs. Once I was diagnosed with one of the Big Three and a personality disorder for the kicker, I started reading everything I could get my hands on concerning my own and others’ illnesses, taking classes, interviewing people who were willing to disclose their diagnoses.

    I had offered up two symptoms, one from DID (multiples) and one from a schizophrenic disorder (auditory hallucinations, which can also occur in severe depression or mania but are most common among the schizophrenic disorders be it Big Three Schizophrenia, Schizotypal like a good friend of mine, etc) with “or” between them, so I presented the illnesses in the order of the symptoms with “or” between them. I was not intending to equate the two.

    That said, I’m sorry to hear about the situation with your father. That’s a horrific thing for a child to have to experience. I really hope you have a strong support now and have been able to get your life back. It’s sick how some parents feel like their children are property. No human being is an object, and none of us deserve to be treated that way.

    That last sentence, by the way, is everything that’s wrong with the assholes this article covered, in my mind.

    @Belladonna993

    My comment about depression being more socially acceptable was short-sighted. You’re completely correct that it’s discriminated against in different ways. I was kind of gut-reacting to what I felt like was a brushing off of the detrimental effects the word “crazy” can have for some people. I use that word myself (as a kind of “taking it back” thing), but I never use it as an insult, and rarely around anyone not in my inner friend/family circle.

    I’m sorry for your having to deal with such an awful illness, and I’m sorry if I unintentionally belittled that struggle. I get hot-headed and don’t think my words through sometimes.

  20. Policy of Madness

    @Karl

    Fair enough, you shouldn’t armchair diagnose people based on what they say on the internet. But IMO contrarily stating it is ALWAYS about healthy and cheery guys who just thought it’d be fun to hate all women is pretty much the same thing.

    This is a false dichotomy. There is also the option of just not deciding anything about the mental health of a person on the Internet. Don’t declare them crazy. Don’t declare them not-crazy. Just don’t bring up their mental health at all.

    Because what you don’t seem to grasp here is that someone’s mental health is not connected to their misogyny. You wouldn’t make an affirmative decision to believe firmly that someone you’ve never met or seen has a shoe size of 11, and that the only alternative to that is to declare just as firmly that their shoe size is definitely not 11. There is the option to acknowledge – in your mind, not out loud – that someone’s shoe size is irrelevant and you don’t have to make any decisions about that, and then just not bring it up. I don’t know why you don’t see that this is not only an option, but the best option.

    For me “crazy” is more about optimistically reserving a bit of doubt, rather than to either excuse or condemn. Obviously it is speculation, as I cannot possibly say for sure, but is it really a stretch to assume some of them fit the bill?

    Your intentions are not magic. You going around and declaring that people who behave badly are (or are probably) crazy is DAMAGING TO ME. And you coming in after the fact saying you totally didn’t mean to damage me doesn’t help or change that you did. It makes it harder for me to get medical care. It makes it harder for me to interact with people. It makes me responsible for concealing that I have a serious medical condition from friends and coworkers because they are likely to start treating me in a radically different fashion the moment they find out.

    “Oh, but when =I= use the word crazy, I mean this completely nonstandard (but actually pretty standard) thing!” from you does not change this at all. It is injuring. It causes injury. It causes people to be physically harmed and endure physical pain, so that you can … what? Feel better about yourself for being utterly careless with your words? So that you don’t have to think about what you’re saying? So that you don’t have to make even the slightest effort to be a decent human being after someone has told you that what you are saying causes harm?

    For real?

  21. @Policy of Madness – Thank you for explaining that so well.

    I feel similarly about “fat.” Me, I’m fat, and I embrace the word as a descriptive, not a pejorative. However, there is so much fat-shaming/thin-privilege in the world, and it is often used as an insult. In fact, far too often, it is used as an insult against someone on the internet without any knowledge of that person’s size or body composition. “I don’t like what you said, anonymousperson1234, but I’ll bet you’re FAT!”

    Note, I did not say weight. BMI is absurd. Body-builders are considered “obese” by the BMI tables, because it take into account absolutely nothing besides height and weight. Piffle!

    Also, the conflation of fat and unhealthy, diabetic, lazy, slob, cannibal (“Oh! I’m afraid you’ll eat me!” – real thing people say!) is not only hurtful, but it is really problematic. People are misdiagnosed all the time, because of prejudice against fat people. Healthy fat people, with perfect scores on all their bloodwork, can go to the doctor for a BROKEN BONE, and instead get lectures about Weight Watchers (again, true story). Meanwhile, a thin person can go to the doctor with symptoms of diabetes, and not even be tested for it, because “diabetes is a fat-disease,” and “thin people don’t get diabetes.” Again, true story, and it was Type II, adult onset, not the “acceptable” childhood-onset Type 1, which is known to strike thin children.

    People actually suffer real, physical harm, all because of the ingrained ideas people hold about body size. Thin, as well as fat, people really suffer. And that’s not even counting the people who have been badgered and bullied about their food choices and exercise by “concern trolls.” And don’t even get me started about people who have been physically assaulted by complete strangers screaming fat hatred of them, and saying that they don’t deserve to live, because they are fat, and therefore selfishly using up ALL the resources!

    Just as feminism is out to help males, as well as females, and all the other genders on the spectrum, but are called misandrists because of the name of the movement, fat activists are out to help people of ALL body sizes be accepted, and treated as fully human, regardless of size, but are often labeled as thin-haters, because of the name. Somehow, being *for* something is interpreted as being *against* everything else.

    So, although it’s a completely different subject, the dynamics are so similar. Maybe that’s why it was so easy for me to see the “don’t use the ableist language” instruction in the welcome package and think, “Yeah, that’s doable,” and not argue about it. Because I feel the same way about fat-shaming language. It hadn’t really occurred to me before I read that welcome package, or the posts here, but as soon as it was pointed out to me, it made so much sense.

    And even if you can’t “get” it, just understand that it is considered hurtful and offensive, and avoid that kind of talk here, because although you may not understand *why*, you do understand that it *does* cause certain members of the community pain, and to know that, and do it anyway, and try to argue your right to do so, is just plain rude.

    It’s also why I generally feel safe here. Here, I know I won’t face fat-shaming, from the commenters. I might have to face it as part and parcel of the misogyny stuff, but we mock it! We know it’s wrong! And anyone who doesn’t feel the wrongness of the fat-shaming in the misogynistic stuff, at least knows that it’s not acceptable to pile-on in the comments.

    I have no idea how many commenters actually think less of me because of my weight. If they do, they keep it to themselves. And I really, truly, appreciate that!

  22. I had to drop this video into one of these threads. This is a song about this situation by the same guy who had an awesome song about the SCOTUS Hobby Lobby decision and recently has a song about being a SJW and proud.
    I haven’t caught up with the whole thread yet so I hope this isn’t too out of place….going to continue reading…now!

  23. Dang it, that posted a playlist rather than the video…let me try again

    [Ninja mod edit]

    Eeeep I hope this one works

  24. Nope, youtube loves playlists I guess. Anyway, its called “Take a naked picture of yourself if you wanna” and its awesome.

  25. If you post a link from your playlist it will post the whole playlist, you have to open the same video outside of your playlist if you want to post just that video. Not to be pedantic, it’s just that I wouldn’t suggest linking to your YouTube playlist here because it might lead trolls to you on YouTube, and YouTube trolls are the worst.

  26. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
    Read more at http://quotes.dictionary.com/When_I_use_a_word_Humpty_Dumpty_said#PL6oJ0tOuCIp3ejO.99

  27. Regarding my other interior/exterior peeps…
    Our structure’s a bit conveniently odd.
    This is also why I never realized they were there…
    Basically, they operate through me. This explains a lot, as when we’re seriously triggered I’m distantly feeling the thoughts and emotions of…a minivan’s worth of kids pouring through me. Kids who think and feel very differently than myself.
    There’s adults in here too, but they don’t emote like, well, little kids.
    Kids feel with the dial cranked to 11 and ripped off…you know?

    Anyway, finding them led me to an obvious question…what part of what I believed to be myself was really me?
    Well…I’m a sort of shell. Hollow inside.
    I was described by our protector, when he was angry at me, as a “fucking human windsock.” This is actually structurally accurate.

    It’s easier to post as “I”, but it is an oversimplification…we’re a we’re inside. Sometimes I’m told to credit someone inside, or to make the “we” apparent, and I try to comply without confusing people who don’t live in our headspace.
    My people saved me, or rather we all saved each other, so I owe them much.

    Between the plurality inside and the gender issue, pronouns sure are a PITA.

  28. Distantly? No, not distantly…INTENSELY feeling the feelings and distantly hearing the thoughts of five kids. All at once.

    It feels very chaotic in my head, always has felt that way…Now that makes sense. There’s multiple other partial and overlapping human body OS’s running in my background…O.o

  29. So, blahlistic, have you decided on your preferred pronouns, or is it something that varies, according to your situation and how loud your alters are at the time?

    Ummm, did I say that right?

  30. Him, her, they, sir, ma’am…My LDR guy suggested misster…
    I figure they are all more or less accurate.
    Also referring to me as y’all fits as well…
    Hey you with the face…

  31. So it really doesn’t bother me what I’m gendered.

  32. Blahlistic, y’all are awesome.

    I can’t believe I just typed y’all. It’s not my word! Can I say you all are awesome? I can’t maintain the twang in my head, and the words don’t float right out of my head when I try to type y’all, because it throws everything off…

    You all are awesome.

    I like you, in the non creepy “your comments make me happy, or make me think, or just make things make more sense, and it’s really nice to read them, so I’m kind of really glad this person/collective exists to write them and they seem like a really awesome, clever, strong person/collective” kind of way.

  33. …so many comma faults. So many conjunctions.

    Must go hang head in shame, and do a calculus problem to make the world feel better.

    English, you’re too hard. Or maybe I’m just too tired to English properly.

  34. RE: Phoenician

    Come on, dude. You have multiple mentally ill people telling you to knock it off. Is this really so fucking important to you, the ability to call Ayn Rand a sociopath? Are you so uncreative, so vocabularily stunted, that you can’t think of a different term to use? Really?

    (I know folks on the sociopath spectrum who helped take care of me during the bad years. They hide their condition for obvious reasons. So yeah, personal button with me.)

    RE: Karl

    “crazy” sort of holds a promise that it is temporary, the depression talking, a delayed son/mother separation turned ugly, that sort of thing.

    Seriously, do you not know that many mental illnesses are for life? Mine is.

    We’re telling you to shut up, not make longwinded excuses for why YOUR use of the word ‘crazy’ is magically better than all the others. You’re not special; we understood you the first time, and we don’t like it. Now shut up; I’ve been dealing with bad symptoms for two weeks and am in no mood for your horseshit about these guys just being “temporarily” turned assholic because mommy separating made them mentally ill.

    RE: blahlistic

    Woo, multi shit. *high five* I miss back when I was able to pass myself off as a “natural” multi. It was so much nicer than being a traumaporn horrorshow all the fucking time.

  35. Also, RE: the post itself:

    You know, now I’m remembering why I was so terrified of masturbation and being sexual for so many years. I always associated it with shit like THIS, where a boner instantly gave carte blanche to any bad behavior. Even though it’s been years, even though hubby has been proving otherwise for years, it’s STILL in my head.

  36. kittehserf - MOD

    blahlistic, thanks for that info!

    Am I understanding it right to think you, singular, are the person talking here, but there are a whole lot of contributing (or interfering?) people influencing you as well?

    Damn, that sounds like I’m making some clinical case of it. I’m trying to get a handle on how stuff works for y’all, because your situation – setup? – sounds very different from LBT’s.

  37. It sounds like teh blahlistics has like a front person. FOr order. Moderate, yes? Yeah. We used to have one of those. Two of those. They died, but we had thhem! Very handy. Helps um mainline the presentation. Yeah?

    Like that, blahisitci?

  38. Am I understanding it right to think you, singular, are the person talking here, but there are a whole lot of contributing (or interfering?) people influencing you as well?

    It’s as if, while you were typing, several people were sort of looking over your shoulders saying “Hey, say this,” or “you spell the word like this,” or “WOW that’s cool!” or “don’t reveal that.”
    Plus this one guy in the background racheting around in combat fatigues and a helmet and saying Mikemikemikemikemikemike. Not sure what’s up with him.

  39. Yep, I’m the front…and it appears this is a structurally permanent thing.
    I tried to let Katherine take over and it didn’t work. I was like “I WANNA NOT EXIST! THIS IS TOO FUCKING HARD!”
    Katherine came out for a while, but I was here and hallucinating the whole time, it made the body exhausted and gave us a stabbing headache.
    It’s a head hurt that is peculiar to switching-not like the migraines.
    Those are either stab in one eye or the other.
    This is sort of knitting needle at midline center of head.

  40. I am so glad we don’t get siwtching headaches. Do get other kinds though, last for days and painkillers do nothing. Wish I kenw whhy.

    Okay bed. Sleep. TOmorrow will be beter.

  41. The reason I thought I wasn’t multiple is I don’t really lose time. Except I do.
    …I did sort of notice that I’d go into grocery stores…and then come out and find that I did not remember being in the store or buying the stuff I was putting in the car.

    I really started believing it when one of my six year olds was fully co-present with me and…got really upset about our giant wrinkly body and huge flappy feet.
    Then wouldn’t let me go back to sleep until we’d been fussed at by our LDR guy.

    I’m glad y’all like me here. :) I like you right back.

    .

  42. @Policy of Madness
    Your first paragraph rings true somewhat. I see how it is improper to do any profiling that refers to ACTUAL mental conditions when it comes to MGTOW’ers or anyone else.
    And that’s fine, as I can stick to profiling which doesn’t.

    Without ANY profiling, e.g. assumptions, mocking is a bit too tricky. At least stupidity, deficient logical capabilities (hinting at sub-par intelligence) seems fine to imply around here. So I can get into that groove…. I think. I’m still not quite getting it, I feel…

    The second thing you say:
    “Your intentions are not magic. You going around and declaring that people who behave badly are (or are probably) crazy is DAMAGING TO ME. And you coming in after the fact saying you totally didn’t mean to damage me doesn’t help or change that you did.”

    So what you are saying is that you were actually DAMAGED by random internet person X’s misuse of a word, regardless of intent? You frequent a site which is aimed to mock the profoundly eh.. (which after having had some time to investigate MRAs, I concur are magnificent lolcows to mock!), still you break down over some misconceptions and a bit of debate? Sorry but I’m not buying. I smell a troll.

    Which brings me on to LBT

    @LBT

    “We’re telling you to shut up, not make longwinded excuses for why YOUR use of the word ‘crazy’ is magically better than all the others. You’re not special; we understood you the first time, and we don’t like it. Now shut up; I’ve been dealing with bad symptoms for two weeks and am in no mood for your horseshit about these guys just being “temporarily” turned assholic because mommy separating made them mentally ill.”

    You don’t phase me.
    For all you say, you may have a very rough patch and for that I sympathise, but even so, no rough patches come with a complimentary carte blanche to act uncivil like you seem to think. I don’t take insults sitting down, you know.
    We can escalate or leave well enough be.

    Your call.

  43. Karl,
    Avoiding ableist language is the culture around here. Calling regulars trolls is not the best way to go about getting off on the right foot.

  44. Policy of Madness

    So what you are saying is that you were actually DAMAGED by random internet person X’s misuse of a word, regardless of intent?

    You think that when you support, promulgate, and perpetuate damaging stereotypes that harm people, you are not yourself committing personal harm? That’s a very convenient belief! It absolves you of all responsibility for your part in the seedy corners of society! It allows you to be:

    sexist
    racist
    homophobic
    ableist
    nativist
    etc.

    and claim that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with saying horrible things because neener neener sticks and stones.

    You frequent a site which is aimed to mock the profoundly eh.. (which after having had some time to investigate MRAs, I concur are magnificent lolcows to mock!), still you break down over some misconceptions and a bit of debate?

    And yet you simultaneously think I have “broken down” because of you, that your words on a screen over the Internet have destroyed my fragile ego. Which is it? Do you have zero power to harm me, or so much power you can destroy me by accident? You can’t have it both ways.

    Sorry but I’m not buying. I smell a troll.

    Get your smeller checked, and your ethics while you’re at it.

  45. Karl: Remeber the first rule of holes. Like WWTH said, we don’t use words like “crazy” to describe people who are wrong, willfully ignorant and/or morally reprehensible here. Neither Policy if Madness nor LBT are trolls; quite the opposite, in fact, they are regulars. Please stop digging.

    Here is a good explanation of why ableist language is problematic.

  46. RE: blahlistic

    We don’t lose time. Our brain just censors traumatic events, which causes its own problems and mindscrew. It’s why we obsessively date fucking everything these days.

    RE: Karl

    no rough patches come with a complimentary carte blanche to act uncivil like you seem to think.

    And yet, that’s kind of what you’re saying about these guys. You’re equating their assholery with temporary mental illness caused by stress, something you have no proof of. And yet, my telling you to stop doing that is somehow more upsetting?

    Uh huh.

    And yes, actually, I AM actively damaged by people calling random strangers crazy. It’s because of these ideas that I keep obsessive records to prove that things I remember or think are true. Because I’m mentally ill, I’m often dismissed, ignored, or patronized. It also led directly to my poverty, homelessness, and disability. This is actually a big deal for me.

    Just because YOU don’t understand that doesn’t obligate me to be polite to you. You are shitting in the community punchbowl, and then INSISTING we explain to you in deep detail, multiple times, as to why this is no bueno and why you can’t do it anymore. It should be enough to you that everyone here is telling you to STOP. By constantly questioning us, you’re making it apparent you value your opinion more than community norms, which means this probably isn’t the place for you.

  47. Karl, Please just drop it.

  48. But cloudiah, he just doesn’t get it! He can’t drop it until he understaaaaands, and we’re obligated to explain it to him until he understands it just right, or we’re meanie mcmeaniepants.

    (At this point, I’m basically waiting for him to pull a, “Y’all’re just so rude, I was going to be a part of your site, but GOODBYE!”)

  49. I regret the last post fairly soon after hitting “Post Comment”…

    I don’t think I’ll fit right in, partially because of this hole I dug, but mainly because I don’t think I really align with this place. I see a whole lot of similarities with my own moral stances here but there are some distinct differences.
    The rest of this post is not to excuse anything or raise another argument.. it’s merely that I’d find it fun to write and hopefully, someone else might find it an interesting read. But first off:

    @Policy of Madness
    “Do you have zero power to harm me, or so much power you can destroy me by accident? You can’t have it both ways.”

    Zero power. I assume stuff from people’s posts, something you told me I shouldn’t.
    From your words I assumed “rather confident and smart”, which is why I suspected you were taking the piss.. That “damaging me” part seemed off somehow but I guess I don’t know all that much about SJWs, although some things you just neatly clarified.
    (Oh, and thanks for the link sparky)

    Now, I’ll tell you a bit of where I come from.
    I’m in a nerd group which is fairly large and open. It’s maybe unique in a way that the steps are so short from strangers to close friends, perhaps more than is advisable for an open internet forum. Naturally we pick up fleas, and because of that, IRL meets can be a little hit and miss.
    It just so happens that the fleas in question often neatly fall in categories of homophobe/racist/misogynist which is quite convenient. When someone blurts out the bad stuff, it’s little Christmas for many of our members who attack relentlessly.
    It would be easy to say that it is only because those things are downright terrible and that people won’t feel safe, but that’s less than half of our reasons.

    Alot of our members, myself included, get a kick out of it. In general we do alot of harsh humor and that is always a good excuse to amp it up a notch. That’s why I came here, but now I see you aren’t like me in this regard. You’re much more political while I’m in it for the fun, period.

    Another reason we do it is that we want them off for good. We are not interested in people exonerating themselves as they are still, even with prejudices beat out of them, still wierdos you are uncomfortable around, (and it puts a damper on our awesome parties).
    I’ve tried kindness, but that’s no good. It’s like they want you to adopt them and never leaves you be. And if you are a girl well… you figure it out.

    Lastly, as our community in other regards is pretty outspoken and open minded, we usually know very much about people, their traumas, disabilities, sexual pecularities, phobias etc.
    But even if not, it’s usually not that hard to get a low-down on people using Google.
    And believe me, practically all of the asslords we have booted have an impressive collection of mental problems, neurological dispositions, rampant social phobias etc. Which is why when I saw MGTOW (which is like our bastards x 10) I readily assumed.
    It’s not a red line like disability X = misogyny but there’s always something.. but fair enough, this IS a nerd crowd, and maybe your targets aren’t all nerds like ours..

    Anyway, I root for you all,
    but as I said, I’m not really in it to be a good person or anything like that. I doubt I’ll have much fun here, and I seriously doubt you’ll like my “contributions” either as they are pretty nasty. I’ll probably lurk a bit though.

    Shit, that was long huh?

    Anyway, If you have any last questions, fire away. Otherwise consider this my last post.

    Cheers!

  50. Policy of Madness

    You’re much more political while I’m in it for the fun, period.

    You don’t have to be “political” to be not-an-asshole.

    From your words I assumed “rather confident and smart”, which is why I suspected you were taking the piss.. That “damaging me” part seemed off somehow but I guess I don’t know all that much about SJWs, although some things you just neatly clarified.

    The fact that you refer to people as SJWs says a lot, but I’ll move past that. You think it’s impossible for someone to be “rather confident and smart” and yet mad at the same time? Or is it that you think it’s impossible for someone to be “rather confident and smart” and have trouble getting good medical care? Because that’s what you know about me from what I’ve posted: I’m mad and I had falling-down dizzy spells totally dismissed with no investigation on account of it. How does that not mesh with your “rather confident and smart” assumption?

    I mean this seriously: Why is it your assumption that “rather confident and smart” people cannot experience discrimination or be harmed by the discrimination?

    But even if not, it’s usually not that hard to get a low-down on people using Google.
    And believe me, practically all of the asslords we have booted have an impressive collection of mental problems, neurological dispositions, rampant social phobias etc

    I SERIOUSLY doubt you are getting access to people’s medical and psychiatric records from Google, so you are still pulling these things out of your prejudices and preconceptions. I’m not impressed by your parting shot. Do stick the flounce.

  51. @Policy of Madness
    “You think it’s impossible for someone to be “rather confident and smart” and yet mad at the same time?”

    I think it’s impossible for you to be DIRECTLY hurt by what I wrote, as in:
    1. you read what I wrote.
    2. Was immediately struck by huge distress.
    Cause -> Effect

    “Or is it that you think it’s impossible for someone to be “rather confident and smart” and have trouble getting good medical care?”

    This however is possible, society prejudice dilemma, but it’s not because of me.
    I don’t know where you are from but it seems you are either from the US or a country that’s similarly smitten. As a swede, we have large social issues here, mainly racism stemming from centuries old etno-nationalism, but ableism isn’t one of them, sorry.
    This is the place where you openly talk about your panic attacks on the bus in polite conversation, where people often refer to their social anxieties without any shame, where a majority of people firmly believe that sufferers of mental conditions deserve treatment and subsidised medicare, and mostly actually get it too!
    When you talk about “going/being/acting crazy” here, it practically always refers to volatile agressive and hateful behavior (no clinical diagnoses assumed; and if they are assumed, they sure as hell don’t mean X Condition = behavior).

    Still, it’s probably a bit naive and “over psychologised” over here as people’s go-to solution when encountered with a hateful individual is “Oh, dear. That man needs therapy”. We are pretty damn big on the therapy solution given the fact that our contemporary culture is mostly painted by the modernist era when psychoanalysis was kind of a big deal.
    I’m guilty of that aswell, I suppose.

    By all means, it ain’t perfect, but we have decidedly less influence of the worthless victorianism and it’s baggage of loopy free church influences.

    Also, applying the problems of ableism on swedish conditions, you’ll still find examples but different ones and mostly less severe. I think people who have schizofrenic episodes are the most misunderstood. We do have a reversed issue where people who have neurological conditions do get the support but aren’t given the trust sometimes to shoulder responsibility, which of course is prejudiced.

    I think this is alot of the reason why I’ll never set foot in US. I dislike americans alot.
    Because if you don’t exactly mimic their style and reply “I’m great how are you!!” (while making that fucked up Mc. Smile with your upper teeth, you are branded a whackjob and forever disregarded as a lesser).
    They also seem pretty damn big on labelling and tying their own identity to one interest they have, which group they are a part of, (and more importantly, which groups they are NOT a part of).

    But is there even a point of me writing this? While I can take in new information, you’re probably fully learned already.

    “I SERIOUSLY doubt you are getting access to people’s medical and psychiatric records from Google, so you are still pulling these things out of your prejudices and preconceptions.”

    No I don’t. As I said, people usually say what they suffer from outright in my circles (that swedish thang). You don’t get medical records but it’s not like that is needed when you get enough tidbits to deduce somebody is a moron, coward, oversensitive crybaby(not medical terms) and sometimes why.

  52. Karl, from the comments policy:

    If a bunch of commenters tell you a word is inappropriate, drop it from your vocabulary here and move on. Don’t argue about it, or explain that in your country it’s perfectly acceptable. I don’t care.

    You can have whatever opinion you want about what language is and isn’t appropriate, but when you’re here just follow the accepted norms about language and don’t argue about it.

  53. All you really needed to do, Karl, was apologize and drop it.

    When you talk about “going/being/acting crazy” here, it practically always refers to volatile agressive and hateful behavior (no clinical diagnoses assumed; and if they are assumed, they sure as hell don’t mean X Condition = behavior).

    Why yes, equating “crazy” with “volatile aggressive and hateful behavior” is pretty much the definition of ableism.

  54. Sweetish culture is free of a be list therefore it’s OK for Karl to say able is things!

    Americans are horrible and ableist. Therefore it’s wrong for us to request a blest language not be used!

    Nice logic. And by the way, not everyone here is American. We have regulars from Sweeden as well as other Scandinavian countries. They all manage not being an ads hole just fine.

  55. Ugh. I hate this new phone update. It kept changing the word ableist. Sorry.

  56. Policy of Madness

    I’m kind of done with this discussion. Karl doesn’t get it, and it’s clear that he’s not dumb or anything, he’s just really really invested in not having to care about other people, or realize how much his own behavior harms others. He doesn’t want to get it, because if he got it, he might have to excise 3 or 4 words from his vocabulary, and that would be so haaaaaaarrrrrrrd.

    You can have whatever opinion you want about what language is and isn’t appropriate, but when you’re here just follow the accepted norms about language and don’t argue about it.

    Thank you.

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