Is War Machine, the mixed martial arts fighter accused of brutally beating his ex, a Men’s Rights Activist?
The “hero” the Men’s Rights movement deserves?
If the Men’s Rights movement is looking for a celebrity endorser, I think I’ve found just the guy for them: the mixed martial arts fighter, and erstwhile porn actor, War Machine, currently sitting in jail on charges of brutally beating and attempting to kill his ex-girlfriend, porn star Christy Mack.
Men’s Rights activists should be able to look past these criminal charges; after all, as they remind us all the time, women are forever falsely accusing innocent men of all sorts of terrible things.
And in so many ways War Machine is perfect for them. An MMA fighter, he’s already only one letter away from being an MRA. A misogynistic asshole with rage issues, he’ll have no trouble fitting in with the Men’s Rights crowd. And, especialy important for a movement that has a lot of trouble getting any good PR, he’s a bit more comfortable on camera than the Paul Elams and Dean Esmays of the world, with experience on television (on the reality show The Ultimate Fighter: Team Hughes vs. Team Serra), and in seven films (albeit pornographic ones).
Best of all: he’ll need no ideological education from what A Voice for Men likes to call Fuck Shit Up University. War Machine – real name Jonathan Koppenhaver – is already an outspoken proponent of many of the Men’s Rights Movement’s core beliefs.
Consider these selections from a little Men’s Rights manifesto War Machine wrote a few years ago during a previous stint behind bars, serving time for felony assault after two bloody bar fights. His rant, which a friend posted to the internet, would fit right in with the sort of stuff we’ve seen regularly posted on the Men’s Rights subreddit, or The Spearhead, or A Voice for Men. I’ve bolded some of the Men’s Rightsiest bits:
The oppression of MEN is worse than oppression of Jews in Nazi germany, worse than the slavery of Blacks in early America…
There has always been the oppressor and always the oppressed. Before, it was blatant … NOW the oppressor has learned to disguise his evil. You can see man, but you can not see MEN. How easy it is to oppress a minority that is invisible to the eye! How genius of the oppressor! And what a better target too! …
Men challenge injustice from Government, MEN fight for their Constitutional rights, that are slowly being taken away every year. …
And they don’t just oppress us by making more laws and taking away more freedom, they are far more clever than that! Ask yourself what your REAL dream was?? If you gave up on this dream, why? Because of the brainwashing of the Government, that’s why! They taught you to “play it safe.” They told us a responsible man has ONE wife, a house, good credit, good job, and kids. How are you supposed to chase your dreams while maintaining all of that!?
Men are supposed to take risks and be aggressive! What accomplishments have ever come of a man scared to risk it all!? None!? Where would the world be? Still ‘flat!’ Still ‘Earth at the center of the universe!’
If any of you have your Men’s Rights Bingo cards out, I’m guessing you might already be close to scoring a bingo. We’ve got a comparison to slavery that could have come straight from the pages of A Voice for Men, a marriage-is-death-to-male-dreams rant that could have been borrowed from any MGTOW forum, and an evo-psych-esque argument that men are the true risk-takers and the world’s real innovators.
And I don’t think War Machine would have much trouble with Paul Elam’s “Bash a Violent Bitch Month,” either.
[I]t’s Christmas day and I’m laying in my bunk wondering “Why in the hell do American men get married!?” … If your wife is being a bitch you can’t slap her, if your wife is yelling at you, God forbid you yell back … Next thing you know it will be illegal to fuck your wife! LMAO! Maybe then, MEN in this country will get the fucking hint and MOVE! This country forces you to be a bitch!
In another online posting, War Machine touched on another Men’s Rights hobbyhorse, the notion that the justice system is stacked against men:
[L]ook at the prisons, they are FULL of MEN, not women. Are men “evil” and women not? Or do the laws target and attempt to restrict NATURAL MEN’S BEHAVIOR? How many of the HEROES in American history would avoid prison if they lived today? Davey Crockett? Thomas Jefferson? David Bowie? General Grant & General Lee? Shit, George Washington. … Laws target MEN and men’s behavior. Women want to bitch and cry about their rights and equality… LMAO! MEN are the ones locked away like animals, while women run free!
Someone might have to explain to War Machine that David Bowie is not actually a famous American HERO but a famously androgynous British musician who once recorded an album called “Heroes.” (Mr. Machine may be thinking of James Bowie, a well-known 19th century American frontiersman and slave trader, and the guy the Bowie Knife is named after.)
But other than that, he seems ready to go.
There is, of course, that whole attempted murder charge to deal with.
It’s true the Men’s Rights Movement has had few problems in the past rallying behind men with histories of violence. But War Machine might be a harder sell as a Men’s Rights hero. His alleged attack on Mack left her with a cracked rib, a ruptured liver, numerous broken bones, missing teeth and her eyes swollen shut. (See here for photos of her injuries; obviously this link is NSFW and could be triggering.)
While Mr. Machine denies attacking Mack, he joked to a TV host last year that if she were to leave him “I would just kill her” and get a tattoo saying “Rest In Peace” above the tattoo of her name he has on his neck.
And several hours after allegedly trying to murder her, War Machine tweeted this lovely message about his ex:
War Machine does seem to be at a low point in his life. Even aside from the charges he faces, and the time he seems likely to serve, his career in porn is almost certainly over. The “Alpha Male” clothing line he helped start wants nothing to do with him. Nobody but the prison system seems to want this guy.
In other words: Men’s Rights activists, this is your chance! War Machine may not be the, er, hero you want. But he’s certainly the hero you deserve.
Posted on August 21, 2014, in a voice for men, alpha males, antifeminism, domestic violence, entitlement, excusing abuse, incoherent rage, men created civilization, men invented everything, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, post contains sarcasm, reactionary bullshit, red pill, violence and tagged anti-feminism, antifeminism, christy mack, domestic violence, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, red pill, violence against women, war machine. Bookmark the permalink. 1,454 Comments.
I’m assuming he took it from the comic book character in the Iron Man series. (War Machine was already around before the movies, had his own comic back in the ’90s.) Very insulting to Don Cheadle.
Humanist is just as predictable as the rest of his lot. FEEEEEMALES is their go to word to describe women (aside from some more “colorful” terms) Men are men but women are females and ONLY FEMALES because we’re not human. Fuck off, humanist. You’re not worthy of being called a humanist, either. Since you seem to believe a good chunk of humanity aren’t people.
Also, fuck Kevin Sorbo. His asshole behavior is of….herculean proportions! :D :D :D
Dawkins’ eugenics thing strikes a chord with me; my youngest had a very high score on the prenatal screening for Downs. My GP asked me if I wanted to have amniocentesis to confirm either way (it carries about a 2% chance of inducing miscarriage, if my memory serves correctly) and, in what was rapidly becoming a high risk pregnancy, my partner and I did some soul searching and decided not to screen, as we were not going to abort solely for DS. We were very lucky and little miss grump is fine. Young master grump, however, is on the autism spectrum. Should I be thanking my lucky stars that Prof. Dawkins hasn’t yet magically produced a fool-proof test for that, and urged everyone to pre-screen their pregnancies?
Nicely played, redpoppy!
I LOVE bad jokes!
The badder, the better!
Bad puns, double meanings, play on words…. nothing but the best of the worst!
It takes some interesting mental gymnastics — or more likely, total lack of self-awareness — for MRAs and their toadies to claim that women should not be commenting on men’s rights issues, when the primary right that the MRAs seem to claim is to blame everything that’s wrong in their lives on women.
No matter how hard you try you’ll never be able to beat MRAs for complete, humiliating Joke Fail. Can’t be done.
I guess that would make him a dehumanist?
…Yes, but not exactly. It’s more that a man enacts manliness.
Women are regarded as necessary props to a subset of men in enacting that manliness.
Manliness is a done thing, why guys can become “unmanned,” or “less of a man.” It’s a social thing.
This ex-MMA guy is really, REALLY fixated on enacting some weird caricature of manliness.
His bloated ego couldn’t take getting dumped, so he was going to her place to do exactly as he did, if she would not return to his “loving embrace.” *barf*
In other news…
…I refer to myself as female, though. Not for reasons schmuckley does, though.
…Physically I’m female.
Genderly, I’m androgyne. Socially I’m stuck in a sort of limbo.
(limbo-limbo-limbo!)
I’d prefer to be taken as myself, but then again I think everyone would like to avoid being stuffed in a box of preconceptions.
Their joke fails are just awful. I, personally, don’t consider them jokes. As I feel that jokes can be (but not always) a positive thing. Still, I get what you mean. Their movement certainly is a “joke.” But it sure as hell ain’t a funny one.
blahlistic- Dehumanist is a great term. Female isn’t a bad term in and of itself, I agree. I just dislike the way they use it. It just seems loaded with a lot of bad intentions. Female can be used for a lot of things that are not insulting. Identifying physically as one, female officer, female soldier, etc.
They do try to be funny sometimes, but appalled silence isn’t really the response that a “joke” should generate.
cassandrakitty, yeah. I never find a damn thing they say as funny. I might find one of their weird terms ironically funny but it’s not really a laugh that’s mirthful.
Yeah, that whole “men/females” thing is usually a big red flag for me that someone’s a horrible misogynist. It’s not so much the use of “female” as its use as a contradistinct category from “man”. Somehow for me it always calls to mind discussion of livestock, like the men have gone out back to herd all the females into the next paddock.
I do plenty of laughing at them, but it’s yet to be in the way that they intended.
strivingally, yeah that’s basically what I was trying to say lol
Yeah. I know what you mean. It’s like someone calling me a leftist or liberal.
I call myself those things, but to the person calling me that, it prolly means I need to have a stake driven through my heart and my body buried at a crossroads or something.
…Otherwise I might rise again to agitate the masses by night…
*Metamorphosizes into leftist moonbat and flies off , leaving a trail of worker’s rights fliers and organizing leaflets behind…”
blahlistic, I feel the same way about being called a liberal. Because it has been demonized so much, my visceral reaction to it is a negative one. “I’m one of them…..libruhls from the coast.”
I think we all need some brain bleach
That is some adorable brain bleach right there. :: points up ::
I know it probably wouldn’t hold up in court but I’d kind of love to see Marvel sue him for trademark infringement. Unfortunately one of the bars for that is possible confusion between the trademarked property and the infringing use and that wouldn’t stand up here but maybe if they argued people might think they endorse him officially? IANAL so I don’t know but I hate to see a pretty cool Marvel character get associated with this asshole.
I don’t think any one could mistake this sad little man for the Marvel War Machine. At least, I hope not.
Part of me wants Dawkins to finally cross the event horizon with a tweet so awful that he loses credibility forever.
The other part just wants him to shut the hell up ASAP.
@ A Wolverine – Could Dawkins make a tweet so awful that even his disciples would disavow him? Very interesting philosophical question…
Since I’m a bit of a cynic with this sort of thing, my guess is no. They would probably continue to agree with Dawkins.
RE: redpoppy
Also, fuck Kevin Sorbo. His asshole behavior is of….herculean proportions!
HEY-O! *high five*
RE: blahlistic
It’s like someone calling me a leftist or liberal.
My pet buzzwords for that are “tumblr” or “lifestyle.” Somehow, whenever anyone mentions those things in relation to me, I get the sense I just popped out of the earth with tumblr and became a magical glitterbat purely to annoy people.
I know it probably wouldn’t hold up in court but I’d kind of love to see Marvel sue him for trademark infringement.
Uh, you do realise the phrase “War Machine” was used before Marvel attached it to a particular costume, right? To take just one example, it shows up in HG Wells’ _The Land Ironclads_. Marvel would only have a case if he started costuming himself like the comic.
My ex was into Dawkins. Um, I doubt it.
True, actually. Just too bad the MRAs never do that. And most, if not all, those issues would be settled if gender roles and expectations were done away with… you know, as feminism tries to do.
…yeah, right. As long as there are maggots like you upholding the all important gender differences, there will always be “men rights issues”. And much worse women rights issues, too.
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You really think there are people who wouldn’t follow him no matter what?
Concerning his tweets, he actually went and wrote “Abort and *try again*”. As if women were just birth machines! “Just hit the reset button”. Argh.
@LBT…No, them finding annoyance in you being you is merely an extra special value-added feature. :)
It’s like I say…if people find me offensive they really need to get out more.
@Phoenician in a time of Romans: I know. Thus the “pretty sure it wouldn’t hold up”. Of course the “Apple computers” vs “Apple records” shows that trademark law doesn’t always make a lot of sense.
I find intellectual property law both fascinating and HILARIOUS.
My personal favorite intellectual property story involves one of my favorite superheros: Ted Kord, the second Blue Beetle.
In 2006, there was the cartoon Justice League Unlimited. Ted Kord was allowed to be in crowd scenes, but he was forbidden to talk. Why?
Because his voice was the intellectual property of someone else! See, although Ted Kord didn’t come to be until the 60s, the Blue Beetle has been around since the 40s, including an ancient radio show. DC Comics/Warner Bros bought the rights to the Blue Beetle’s APPEARANCE… but his voice still belonged to whoever did the radio show back in the 40s!
Now, however, that radio show has passed into the public domain, so Ted Kord COULD speak (along with his successor, Jaime Reyes) in Batman: the Brave and the Bold, which started in 2008. Amazing, the difference a couple years can make!
Re: Men and “females”: It’s like when people throw “Hussein” into the President’s name.
“Hussein”‘s not a bad name as names go and it is certainly part of his given name, but you can pretty much guess where somewhere stands politically if they begin a statement with “Barack Hussein Obama…”
Pardon for long ass post and topic swerve…
One of the things MRA’s claim as oppression is the lower life expectancy of men.
Regarding that… :
http://www.livescience.com/5619-study-machismo-cuts-men-lives-short.html
So it seems traditional gender roles may be hurting men in that they don’t go get screened for bad stuff. My feminist ass isn’t stopping you from preventive health screenings. Go get them.
Regarding male suicide:
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/05/whats-driving-the-rise-in-suicide-among-middle-aged-men/275792/
Suicide is driven by unemployment and disconnection. Pretty reasonable.
Not sure what can be done besides uniting and lobbying for systemic change regarding the unemployment issue. So work on creating connection opportunities for guys who aren’t connected, right?
When I heard about this, I actually thought it sounded like a good thing, and I was rather hoping it would catch on in more places.
http://www.mensshed.org/what-is-a-men's-shed/.aspx
The thing is, rather than looking for points of agreement (there are some) the MRA’s as seen on the web generally just want to vent some spleen, which feels good but fixes nothing.
Okeydokey, I now return you to your regularly scheduled snarking.
Waitwaitwait. Isn’t one of the Misogynist Rights Movement’s favourite pet attacks that feminists ignore issues that affect men? How’s that gel with telling women to STFU and mind their own business, men are talking?
Too emotional, too abstract, too involved, too distant, too fat, too thin, too outspoken, too silent, too angry, too frivolous… it doesn’t matter what you do or say, MRAs will find a way to make it wrong as long as you don’t agree with their views on women.
….”Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.
“”That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” he observed.”
“”It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed.””
(http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/3167.Joseph_Heller)
I can’t say I understand the pushback Ally got. Was it just the because she lumped all men in together? Because I don’t think the underlying concepts – toxic masculinity, violent misogyny and the inability to tell good men from abusers (a la schrodinger’s rapist) – are very controversial here. I’m trying to see where you guys are coming from, but it sounds an awful lot like “not all men”.
And I bet the “less moral” reasons include the totally non-imaginary “slutty slut who couldn’t be bothered to use
a different form ofbirth control”.That is a depressingly plausible theory.
Seconded. All in favor?
@”Humanist”, fuck off. You’re unoriginal, you’re a liar, and you don’t know what Humanism is. And you picked the worst possible thread in which to demonstrate as much, you misogynist creep.
Sadly for you, the men who actually do address men’s issues are often feminists.
Yup. So-called “Men’s Issues” all seem to boil down to “ewwwww, feeeemales ICKY!”, when they’re not “how do I get one of those slutty bitches to lie still so I can fuck her (preferably up the ass, and as painfully as possible)?” Or, as is so often the case, “I’m more of a real man than YOU, you pussy!” It’s like one big woman-bashing circle jerk. Or a circular firing squad (sorry about the ugly image THAT conjures up.)
One would think that if these guys were really about men’s issues they’d wise up and start discussing things that actually matter, such as prostate, penile and testicular cancer. Or the potential health dangers of Viagra (especially in diabetics and heart patients over 50, who often go impotent because their circulatory systems fail, and boners are all about blood circulation). Or the fact that their G, B and T brothers could use some support and recognition of their rights from the cis-het dudebro contingent. Or the malignity and impossibility of stereotypical gender roles in general. Or even…brace yourself…HOW TO TREAT WOMEN WITH REAL HUMANITY AND RESPECT! That last one right there ought to be a huge men’s issue, and yet, they fall down on it. Every single time.
DINGDINGDING!!! We have a winner!
I think what they’re really all about is silencing women, when it comes right down to it. And they get all pissy when we won’t shut up and fetch them sammitches while they have their little gabfest.
As though it were so hard for a man to make his own sammies, if he’s all about excluding Teh Feeeeemales.
I watched some trailers and read some reviews of God’s Not Dead, because I’m a masochist and Evangelical fiction is so easy to mock. Not only is it literally an email forward in movie form, but I’m pretty sure it’s just an extended advertisement for the newest Newsboys album (the film shares a title with one of their songs, and apparently there’s an extended scene at a Newsboys concert in the movie).
The “Duck Dynasty” cameos are also a nice touch.
LBT, please tell me “magical glitterbat” is your fursona!
Actually maybe we have someone here who can answer this. If a dude goes to the doctor asking for Viagra, do they check to see what medical issues may potentially be causing the inability to get erections? Because given how many health issues it can be linked to that would seem like a good idea, but otoh the way the medical system usually works in the US makes me think they’re more likely to just have a 5 minute conversation and then write a prescription.
re: misogynist preaching about contraception, abortion, second-guessing sexual assault victims, dismissing harassment, or pretty much anything where they’re pontificating from a seat of ignorance, this quote just beautifully summed it up for me:
From a really well-written article about the myth that not fighting back sufficiently against sexual assault/rape is somehow a mitigating factor. [It should go without saying there's a BIG TRIGGER WARNING for victim-blaming, graphic descriptions of sexual assault, discussion of violence, etc]
“I’d prefer to be taken as myself, but then again I think everyone would like to avoid being stuffed in a box of preconceptions.”
I’ve never cared much for labeling people, and now that we have so many permutations of trans/cis/a/whatever it’s getting REALLY hard for my poor old brain to keep up. Isn’t just people good enough?
cassandra: I know just from seeing the commercials that they’re supposed to check for heart problems at the very least, since Viagra and most other pills like it affect how nitrates affect the body (which can cause problems if you already have a weak heart or are on nitro).
RE: emilygoddess
LBT, please tell me “magical glitterbat” is your fursona!
IT WILL BE NOW! (The joke prior to that was that I was a bear, on account of Mac’s favorite romance novel and gay joke.)
Fun fact: viagra (sildenafil) was initially researched as a treatment for pulmonary arterial hypertension, as it relaxes smooth muscle in the pulmonary artery and allows increased blood flow. It just so happens that the same kind of smooth muscle is present in the arteries of the penis, so relaxing those muscles leads to … increased blood flow. And billions of pharmaceutical dollars due to what was initially a side effect of a cardiac drug!
RE: GrumpyOldMan
Isn’t just people good enough?
Sure! Just as soon as we stop having higher homelessness and suicide rates and get our basic healthcare covered by health insurance.
Don’t leave me hanging bro! Share!
Additional fun fact: we administer it to animals where I work (no, they don’t get erections from it like humans do).
Tell you what: we’ll drop the labels when homophobes and transphobes stop acting like they matter.
@ grumpy :D
Just people seems pretty good to yours truly. I answer to either gender pronoun or honorific, I figure both are semi-accurate.
My ex really got hurt when misgendered though… and I’d wince right along with her, even though I could tell it wasn’t meant in any hostile way. :(
Ex has a LOT of trouble reading intent.
…Sometimes people do “hostile gendering” though, that’s totally different. Like if someone called me an “it” I’d be pissed or if someone called a transman “her.” despite him living as a man and being legally male for years. To me, at least, intent matters a lot.
Speaking of male suicide, the AVFM brain trust published something horrifying today.
AVFM policy on comments regarding suicide
Way to throw depressed men under the bus, AVFM, and you complain about the high number of men who commit suicide? That’s just…cold.
cassandra: I’ve considered trying kendo, too, since I used to do fencing and liked it but would prefer something a bit more physically taxing, so if anyone has done kendo and has feels about it, want to share?
It’s physical. It’s fun. It’s more stylised than fencing. The equipment is pricey (though most dojos have some practice gear for use). Mistakes can be bruising.
I forget who it is on the board (not presently active) who is an active practicioner, and could give you better feedback.
What the fuck? I think the bit about Googling a suicide hotlines is what really puts the cherry on top if the horrible sundae. Elam isn’t even letting commenters dig up contact info for resources in that area?
No, you shouldn’t act like someone’s psychiatrist if you aren’t, but you don’t need a license to show compassion and concern.
Such human rights going on!
RE: emilygoddess
Don’t leave me hanging bro! Share!
*laughs* Okay, okay. So, you see, once, we Loony-Brainers were having fun doing an Internet meme Googling “[NAME] needs” and seeing what popped up. It was all amusing. I mostly got misspelled Seth Rogen stuff.
And then we found that there actually is one fictional character in all of Google who has my name: Rogan the Wolf, the lead of a romance novel. A HIGHLANDER romance novel.
Naturally, hubby had to have this. And he got it as a gift. We’ve MSTed certain scenes of it. I blame it for hubby’s thing for kilts.
I, however, lack Rogan the Wolf’s beefcakey physique, ergo, I got the moniker Rogan the Bear.
RE: Auntie Alias
Keep being shitty, AVFM. Nothing says caring about men like a form letter to possibly suicidal people. (A form letter that doesn’t even link to other resources!)
Before I came to this website I didn’t know what trans, cis or inter-sex was. I didn’t know there were different waves of feminism either.
I didn’t know a lot of things because I’m pretty sheltered and I’m not that smart but I’m glad that I came here to learn.
I feel a little bit smarter and I feel like a better person. So thank you all :D
@Auntie Alias:
I don’t think they’re entirely wrong to be saying “You need to get some help, we’re not qualified to handle this”. My problem is:
a) they’re doing it with some emotionless boilerplate they want their members to cut-and-paste instead of directing suffering people to assistance with a little empathy and personal connection, and
b) more infuriatingly, these are exactly the same people who tear shreads off feminists for supposedly not doing anything about male suicide. That seems a little bit double-standard-y, given that here they’re pretty much saying the only way to help someone who’s suicidal is to get them some psychiatric assistance. The only logical corollary is they assume all feminists are trained suicide counsellors and/or mental health professionals. But I don’t think logic is the point.
ninja’d multiple times. Stupid lack of preview function. :P
Auntie alias
They should have links on their site like David has.
I used to think this way myself, but then I realized that these labels exist, not to box people in, but because certain concepts exist, and so do people to whom those concepts apply. Long story short, I adjusted. Give it time, you might do the same too.
A person contemplating suicide desperately needs immediate and appropriate feedback. Imagine how long they’d be left waiting for a mod to come along to paste the boilerplate statement while the conversation continues to flow around them.
Not every piece of advice is going to be worthwhile but at least it shows that people care.
…And don’t let the door hit you on the way out KTHNXBAI…
Wow, guess at AVFM, if you are down, you just have to pull yourself up by your own jockstrap…
@strivingally
As long as that’s not the only thing they say. I’ve been on a few sites where commenters jump in to help suicidal people, including this one. I have never seen any of them worried about legal ramifications. The idea of criminal charges for giving advice strikes me as absurd. The only way I can see that happening is if someone encouraged suicide.
@fruitloopsie
Indeed. I suggested that in a comment section once and you can imagine the response, I’m sure.
Doesn’t the AVfM policy boil down to: Don’t do anything human because we might get sued?
Seconding Fruitloopsie on receiving some excellent education from this site and the discussions. In my case, this was the first place where I encountered “trans*” with the asterisk. I must sheepishly admit that the first few times I saw it, I started hunting for the footnote! (Please tell me this happened to someone else as well.)
“Compassion for Men and Boys” = Covering Paul Elam’s Ass.
And throwing money at it, too.
True that.
When I questioned my gender Identity the first time, I thought…”am I a guy? well…um, not really.” “So, ok, I’m a woman then…” It took me years later to realize the answer to that was “Um, not exactly that either.”
So realizing gender’s not a real binary but more of a spectrum is probably a good thing. Also that gender’s unrelated to who you want to do the horizontal hokey-pokey with.
Yeah, like, I actually actively try to stay out of the way in suicide support, because I fucked it up one time and OH MAN THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I EVER WANT TO FUCK UP AGAIN. I am still afraid that one day, I’ll be in that situation again, and I’ll fuck it up again, and this time, the person won’t live to hate my guts afterward.
Unfortunately, due to the demographics I’m in… that means I’m around a LOT of people who have depression, suicidal ideation, or suicide attempts. It’s meant that I’ve actually pulled back on a lot of my personal relationships, but oh fuck no, never again. Never a-fucking-gain.
@GrumpyOldMan
This reveals the true meaning of Humanist Counter-Theory.
Auntie alias
“Indeed. I suggested that in a comment section once and you can imagine the response, I’m sure.”
-_-‘
Grumpyoldman
“Doesn’t the AVfM policy boil down to: Don’t do anything human because we might get sued?”
I think it’s more of “Don’t help men because how are we going to derail feminists/women?”
I go to yesallwomen twitter and they do this to them.
It’s doesn’t make sense that they would get sued to at least show a little compassion by placing links like David did.
I thought their policy was “why do for yourself what you can complain about a woman not doing for you”.
Dear AVfM
editorswebmasterGuy Who Gets All the Monies:I have read over the following from your
adviceform letter re: people who are suicidal on your forums:I advise you re-write it as follows:
Yours sincerely,Fuck off,A Man with a Cat