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Open Thread for Personal Stuff: August 2014 Suspended Kitty Edition

Crap.

Crap.

An open thread for personal stuff, continuing from here.

As usual for these threads: no trolls, no MRAs, no arguments.

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Posted on August 10, 2014, in open thread. Bookmark the permalink. 714 Comments.

  1. PoM: yeah, I figured if I was ever going to have a sampler in my house, it would have to be either useful or humorously subversive, as I already have many odd things to hang on the walls (6 full-sheet movie posters’ll pretty much take up a living room, and I have smaller posters, pages from calendars that are worth keeping for the art, etc…)

  2. *hugs all around* I just learned about his death, too. I’m sad about this. I was also sad when Bob Hoskins passed away a few months ago. I really enjoyed both of their work.

    [CN: Death] This has been a tough year for me. My father passed away in January and Bob Hoskins always reminded me of my dad. I’m so sad to see all 3 of them go.

  3. Policy of Madness

    I have complicated feelings about suicide, but death by asphyxiation isn’t the most common method. I can’t stop myself wondering if it was actually suicide, and not an accidental death.

  4. Well, I don’t think it was asphyxiation the way it was for Michael Hutchinson, if that’s what you meant.

    I had initially thought he had another heart attack, more severe than the one that had sidelined him hard in 2009.

  5. Policy of Madness

    Neither do I, but there are other ways to accidentally suffocate yourself. Getting too drunk and a little careless, for instance, especially if one is taking psychoactive meds. Not saying this is the case, but it’s what jumps into my mind when people mention the words “suffocation” “mental illness” and “death” together. Someone who has mental issues who dies is not automatically a suicide.

  6. True, though there are also delberate OD/suffocation combos, as the mass suicide of the Heaven’s Gate group graphically showed.

    At any rate, it sucks no matter what caused it, and condolences to his family.

  7. Policy of Madness

    Not saying it’s impossible (at all), just that it’s not the first assumption I would make. There are also other possibilities, but you’re right, this is not a terrific topic and should probably be dropped.

  8. Yeah. On more sanguine birthday notes, I did have a lovely dinner with my husband Sunday (he’s a mail carrier, so Mondays tend to be long, sucky workdays). And i have gotten several interesting books from Amazon and elsewhere.

  9. Policy of Madness

    That’s awesome. Quiet dinners out with family are my favorite birthday presents.

  10. Happy birthday, Nequam. I’ll raise a glass tonight for you and for Robin.

  11. @K, I don’t know. I would call “having no say over events in my life” as having a lack of control. I would call “guy/MIL having that say instead” as them having control. ;) And I tend to think that people who are inconsiderate repeatedly are doing it on purpose, and purposly being inconsiderate is abusive.

    But I’m not trying to argue, just point out a different way you can look at it. I’m not there in the situation either.

    I don’t want to get too deep into my problems because the more I think about them, the angrier I get. But I’ll leave it at this; financial problems tend to compound over time unless you do something about them in the beginning.

    Hugs for everyone!

  12. Just found out about Robin Williams. I’m so upset. He has always occupied a special place in my heart. He deserved so much better. So many people do.

  13. Hey all. I know I don’t comment as much as I should, but I enjoy this blog immensely. My boyfriend has been struggling with depression and anxiety for years; it’s gotten so bad that I am really afraid for his safety. This news of Robin Williams’ death has triggered a fear in me about bf that I am not sure how to deal with. Feeling really helpless tonight.

  14. Hugs all round! I’d offer baby kisses but they apparently have a coxsackievirus.

    @curlyfries: You are not alone. I wish I had something more proactive to tell you.

  15. Policy of Madness

    @curlyfries

    May I suggest a therapist? For you? If money is a problem, many areas have low- or no-cost counseling options. Being close to a mad person is sometimes as difficult as being a mad person, and you deserve care, too.

  16. I had a visit from my former boss’s widow this evening. He committed suicide 2.5 months ago. She told me she’s been diagnosed with PTSD from finding him. :(

    @ curlyfries

    I’m very sorry. Is your boyfriend seeing a therapist?

  17. Hugs where they’re wanted, anyone who wants them.

    Robin Williams was a rare celebrity. Pretty much universally loved by everyone who knew about him, young and old. He truly didn’t belong to any one demographic of people.

  18. kittehserf MOD

    @littlekatze, welcome! :)

    @cloudiah, that exchange is hilarious.

    @viscaria, that guy used the term chaperone and complained about other people coming along. You weren’t mistaken at all, and he’s a fucking scumbag. You don’t need to second-guess yourself.

    @seraph, congrats!

    @Policy of Madness, that’s such beautiful work! Those blues just glow.

  19. My husband’s aunt/everybody’s “auntie” committed suicide weekend before last :(. She suffered with depression, among other things, for years and was receiving a lot of support – there were several people she knew that she “had” to call when she was feeling suicidal. After her father passed away this spring (an event that also affected my husband significantly), the depressive episodes got worse and the depression eventually found a way to get around her massive support system.

    She was an amazing person who survived through years of extremely violent abuse and came out strong, incredibly loving and non-judgmental. She wouldn’t take anybody’s shit. She was like a third parent to my husband, especially when his parents divorced. It would take hours to list all of the amazing things she did in the community, especially for those affected by gang violence. I was lucky to have known her and have been welcomed as one of her own and will never forget all the work she put into our wedding (particularly the amazing cake she had made for our rehearsal dinner).

    Perhaps the worst part is that she knew how much she was loved and would be missed. We knew because, among other things, she left an extremely personal item she’d worn constantly, one that her father had given her, directly to my husband with the note “keep this and know we’ll always be with you”. THIS is the physical representation of why suicide sometimes inspires anger in family members and I am unable to even type out that part without sympathy-crying.

    I was a sobby, snotty mess at the funeral this weekend and, while he’s still dealing with the anger and “what now/what if”, we’re both OK and able to go through our everyday lives. Now that Robin Williams committed suicide and it’s looking increasingly likely that I caught a bad cold from the whole ordeal/his relatives, we just feel like depression did a double-take then punched crippled us in the bellies. Yuck.

    That was probably horribly written, but I don’t even care.

    Depression and suicide can go step on a bunch of LEGOs using somebody’s soft, malleable human feet then get so annoyed by the experience that they decide they want to leave us all alone forever. :(

    Love ya, auntie.

  20. @Falconer, that’s actually incredibly proactive, thank you.
    @Policy of Madness & Auntie Alias, I have a horrible habit of rationalizing all the reasons I put off self care. I know I shouldn’t, a therapist might actually help me. As far as my bf, he has seen therapists, many of them in addition to taking a myriad of different drugs. Nothing seems to help in the long term. It starts to feel so hopeless, and that’s on my end; I can’t even imagine what it feels like to be the one affected.

  21. kittehserf MOD

    teacat, I am so, so sorry. Virtual hugs and tissues if you want them.

  22. Thanks to all for the kind words. If I could, I’d pass the positive energy back to those who need it.

  23. @ curlyfries

    I’m like that, too, when it comes to mental health but I’ve been pretty stable for years on Zoloft so I haven’t had to push myself to do anything proactive except get the meds. If your boyfriend’s problems are causing your own mental health to deteriorate, seeing a therapist yourself could benefit both of you.

    @ teacat

    I’m so sorry about your beloved auntie. I can relate to the cycle of anger and “why”.

    Even having a pretty good understanding of the “why” in my boss’s case till doesn’t stop the question from popping into my head occasionally. Some of it made sense and some made no sense at all. I have to come to terms with the idea that the final emotional pain was so acute that all he was thinking of was stopping a pain he couldn’t cope with. He didn’t even leave a note for his wife who he loved dearly.

  24. My heart goes out to you all. All the hugs.

  25. Things are kind of sucking all around tonight. I went looking for a pick-me-up and came across this again, so here. Have some laughing babies.

  26. Can I get some hugs, everyone? I have just moved out of my parents house for the first time, and it is super-hard emotionally, especially since I have a really good, loving relationship with them. D:

  27. Thanks for your kind words, everybody.

    @Auntie Alias The fact that her emotional pain appears to have lasted over a couple days of meticulous planning and wasn’t entirely acute (something that a family member with experience in suicide thought was rather out of the ordinary) makes it all the more hard to come to terms with.

    But various things about the note she left and other things she did during that period clearly came out of a wish to reduce the pain of those who would’ve mourned her and get the thoughts of those people out of her mind enough to “justify” the suicide.

    Only a very deep pain could initiate something like that in somebody and I don’t think any of us will ever be able to understand it.

    Healing will come as it can, but none of us will ever know the “whys”. We’ll just have to accept that that’s OK.

    I wish to you, and your boss’s family, the same steady road to recovery that we’re hoping to find. To all those affected by suicide, really.

  28. *hugs for breakfastman* I feel a small, yet gnawing emptiness in me whenever I think about my dad. He passed away in January. We had a complicated relationship but, I really do miss him.

  29. Very much appreciate the perpetual baby giggling machine.

  30. Hugs, BreakfastMan.

  31. @teacat, I am so sorry for your loss. All the hugs.

  32. Well, I’m in a better mood now! Thank you, kittens and babies.

    I don’t understand this grief thing sometimes..but hey, it got me participating in one of these.

    Have a hug breakfastman :). Moving out is definitely a different experience for everybody.

  33. @curlyfries You, too. That’s a tough position to be in and I really hope that things get better for both of you. I know that’s not much but *hug*

  34. I am sorry for posting here even though I haven’t commented on the blog in a while but on a recent news item that touched me. I was stunned by the news about Robin Williams who died today of an apparent suicide. He certainly touched a lot of people not only with many actors and actresses in Hollywood but people all over the world. I’ve been reading on the internet various tributes to him. My favorite movie that he was in was” Dead Poets Society”. I also liked” Good Morning Vietnam ” and” Awakenings” in which he played with Robert Deniro. I think one of his movies he played a son of a feminist called “The World According to Garp” from the early 1980’s.

    From what I have read he had been battling severe depression and sadness but I wonder what ultimately provoked him to kill himself? He had a wife to whom he married in 2011. She is of course devastated as are his fans around the world. I was having a good day enjoying the summer weather and I just turned on CNN and got the news. I am a bit bummed out not only that Mr. Williams took his life but that I will miss him in the movies. He was truly a funny entertainer. liked him in his standup act and he also did a lot of comedy shows for free to raise money for the homeless and other charities. He certainly left his legacy in giving a lot of happy smiles to millions of people. I was a little melancholy after hearing about another celebrity who took his own life I guess money and fame does not buy happiness. I just felt like venting here after hearing about the tragedy. Much healing to his family and loved ones.

  35. Chevy Chase issued a statement on Robin Williams’s death mentioning that he too struggles with depression. It’s sort of ironic that the people who make us laugh have such darkness in their own heads.

  36. I’m sorry, everyone. Virtual hugs and cake to all who would like them.

  37. Teacat,

    I can’t imagine how difficult that must be. Best wishes to you and your husband to get through this to some kind of peace.

  38. kittehserf MOD

    Have some Furrinati playing in the snow, everyone.

  39. Chevy Chase issued a statement on Robin Williams’s death mentioning that he too struggles with depression. It’s sort of ironic that the people who make us laugh have such darkness in their own heads.

    I think most, if not all, humor comes from pathos. Comedians are notorious for struggling with mental health/addiction issues. It’s not even just comedians. Most people I know who are funny and witty have depression, anxiety, eating disorders, addictions or some other issue.

    If you really look at humor there’s very little of it that doesn’t come from a dark place. That includes light hearted comedy which often revolves around pain, humiliation, anxiety or rejection. Slipping on a banana peel seems innocent enough but for the person who has slipped they are embarrassed and hurt.

  40. Have some kitties chasing their tails too

  41. So full of sad. Came here for the inevitable kitten pictures/ videos. Thank you. <3

  42. All this police brutality against POC is just making me sick right now. If it’s upsetting me – a white person who likely never be a victim of this myself – this much I can’t even imagine what POC and particularly black people are going through.

    When cops consider the citizens of the communities they police “animals” how can they “serve and protect” anyone? Ugh. I’m just sick of it. http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/08/police_officer_calls_ferguson_protestors_animals.html

    I know this thread has already been pretty heavy so I’m sorry to add to it but I had to express my sorrow and shame that this kind of thing happens in my country so often in a space that I know won’t be besieged by racist trolls.

  43. It’s horrible knowing someone was in a place emotionally where they believed fervently that no longer existing was ultimately in the best interests of themself and those they shared their life with.

    Two months since having my heart ripped out after over a year of abuse I still cry and rage. I still feel badly. I’m not OK, not even half-OK yet. I’m not in that very, very ugly place though where I’m pretty certain me not being alive anymore would improve matters for myself and others. I’m not having fun yet but I have sufficient optimism and perspective now that I’m glad I’m still here. Even with a depressed mood and being in a shitty place in my life, I am so fortunate and grateful.

    I just feel sick knowing anyone else was in that place and didn’t make it out. One can’t help but think there was a chance of recovery and this didn’t need to happen.

  44. One of my biggest complaints today has been my bowels. I had a dissatisfying poop. That’s what’s wrong in my life. How lucky am I?

  45. Marinerachel, we’re glad you’re still here, too! We were so worried about you.

  46. cassandrakitty

    Here is a munchkin kitten built for maximum cuteness for everyone who’s having a shitty day.

  47. My sister has a foldy cat. Her cat a horrible asshole though. That foldy kitten looks very pleasant.

  48. cassandrakitty

    Foldy cat?

  49. Foldy cat = Scottish fold?

  50. cassandrakitty

    Ah, that makes sense. I was thinking of a cat that folded at the midsection and getting confused.

  51. Foldy-eared cats.

    My sister’s cat is certainly not a Scottish fold. She’s a very typical Turkish angora kitty. Somewhere in her family history though there was Scottish fold. The only trait retained by she or her mother is the folded ears. She hasn’t got the round face and head or big eyes. He body and legs are long and lean, not rounded. She’s certainly not a Scottish fold. She is foldy though!

  52. Ah, that makes sense. I was thinking of a cat that folded at the midsection and getting confused.

    Don’t all cats do that?

  53. Hugs to everyone.

    Fuck cancer and fuck death and fuck jerkbrains that give people hard times.

    Here’s a video of a baby snuggling with a kitten

    And more more cute kitties.

  54. The murder and the police brutality that followed in Ferguson is horrible. I’m so ashamed of my country.

  55. I’m going to help myself to a few hugs out of the barrel o’ hugs because apparently I am more upset than I realized.

    Like, breaking down in the middle of changing my baby’s diaper when I think about how Robin Williams didn’t see any more point in going on.

    And the oceans are giving up their methane, and the ice caps are melting, and that baby under my hands is going to inherit a choking sweltering mess of a planet because the only thing some people care about is money.

  56. That was really inappropriate, Gram.

  57. Hugs, Falconer.

    Sometimes I look at the world and think of my daughter going out into that world and I just get enraged and terrified at the same time. I don’t have any good answers for it.

  58. Addiction makes depression so much worse. Relapsing is terrible, being in active addiction is terrible, getting clean is terrible. I’m still dealing with the fallout from my last run. I’ve been on medication for depression for almost six years. When I relapsed in February, I stopped taking all of my medication – three different prescriptions – at once. Any semblance of self-care goes out the window. I feel for anyone who is coping with addiction and severe depression at the same time. Sadly it’s a common combination.

  59. I love kittens plus babies.

  60. At least my local paper is using the occasion of Robin Williams’ apparent suicide as an occasion to run stories about how to recognize signs of depression, and how to get help.

    TW for shittiness: Over on Reddit, some misters are saying Williams killed himself to avoid paying more alimony to his ex-wives.

  61. In other words, in my comment above you have two examples to compare: how decent people react to a very sad event, and how MRAs react to a very sad event.

  62. @jared

    There doesn’t need to be a particular trigger that causes someone to take their own life. Major depression is that painful all on its own. The sense of hopeless is profound.

    Sometime back in the 90s my ex-husband and I were visiting Disneyland and riding the monorail. We were surprised to see Robin Williams on it with a woman and a child. What struck me was how tired and despondent he looked.

    @teacat

    The fact that her emotional pain appears to have lasted over a couple days of meticulous planning and wasn’t entirely acute (something that a family member with experience in suicide thought was rather out of the ordinary) makes it all the more hard to come to terms with.

    Indeed. At least in my boss’s case I understand there was an actual trigger. He even talked to me (and others) on the phone a few hours beforehand about someone who he felt had betrayed him. Little did any of us know he was hurting badly enough to want to end it. It was no different than any other time he was upset about similar incidents.

    I’m glad your auntie was able to let you all know she loved you and I wish you and your family all the best in processing your loss.

  63. To pay back the hugs I helped myself to, here are baby otterses.

    Yes, that one has a pacifier.

  64. I’ve lost track of the thread where we discussing the ebola drugs, but here’s an article that has more details on why the US isn’t spreading the drug around–the CDC says there’s simply zero doses available, and they still don’t know if it works.

    So even if they threw everything they had at this drug, it would still be two-three months before they had any to give.

  65. Didn’t Gram do some trolling a different thread? What is he doing here?

  66. Gram, please stop talking about why Williams killed himself.

    There’s a time and a place for it, but this is neither, and speculation isn’t helping.

    Internet diagnoses are not welcome here.

  67. Well, I just walked past my boss’s office where he keeps CNN going around the clock, apparently just for the noise.

    Of course they’re talking about Robin Williams.

    Just the sound of his voice gave me another crying jag.

    I’m pathetic.

  68. It shows how substances taken to make you “feel good” are the biggest factors in making people feel at their worst emotionally.

    This is a gross oversimplification of the issue and not really what I was getting at.

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