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The Top 7 Things I Learned From a Week’s Worth of Comments at A Voice for Men

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Let me count the ways

I have a confession to make: I don’t always read the comments on posts by Men’s Rights Activists.

I realize this might come as a shock to some of you. I mean, one of the main, er, critiques I get from MRAs is that I “cherry pick” comments from MRAs to make them look bad — never mind that it is the comments that make them look bad, not me. But the embarrassing fact is that I often don’t read the comments at all.

In my defense, I have a hard enough time making it through the posts themselves. Life is short, and MRAs are long-winded. And by the time I get to the end of a lot of MRA posts, I’ve pretty much lost my patience with their nonsense. The last thing I want to do at that moment is to read the fawning word-vomit of a bunch of irritating fucks whose comments are likely to be as bad or possibly even worse than the original post.

So today I decided to do a sort of penance for my sins — and to actually read through a week’s worth of comments on A Voice for Men to see what I could learn about the world, and (perhaps more to the point) about the sort of people who actually enjoy reading posts on that terrible site.

I tried my best to do this little experiment as scientifically as possible. But I cheated a little. I didn’t read the comments to every post. And I didn’t read every comment on the posts that I did look at. I mean, what the hell. There’s a limit to my masochism. Seriously, you try reading a week’s worth of this shit in one sitting.

Anyway, here are the Top 7 Insights I’ve learned from a week’s worth of comments at AVFM. In choosing the following, I stuck with comments that were either upvoted or unchallenged by the site’s regulars, or both.

1) Feminists literally want women to be able to kill men with no repercussions.

In the comments to an allegedly humorous post about the female “rationalization hamster,” Angelo sets us straight about the real agenda of feminists and their mangina allies:

 Angelo • 3 days ago  As I already mentioned, brilliant! Also I am delighted to receive my cherished "hamster-hate extremist by the Shyster Posse Liars Consortium (SPLC)" accreditation. ;-)  Vaguely related ...I've re- posted a little montage of a new J4MB post link with a past AVfM post link, in an attempt to make a broad point about the feminist rationalisation hamster and it's allies:  We are aware that feminists openly seek to and with the help of manginas, beta males and white knights, ultimately often achieve their goal of continuing to empower women with the ancient right, ...a "Licensed To KILL" husbands/partners.  Here, Feminists are shown to clearly have all the bases covered. There is no time between conception and old age at which any man is safe from 'Stringla' and the feminist license to kill.

2) Most young females are vile pigs.

This one, from a post about Men’s Rights Edmonton’s harassment of noble human rights activism towards that city’s Slut Walk, is pretty self-explanatory. Take it away, jbantifem:

jbantifem • 7 days ago  Most young females are nothing but vile pigs these days. I'd disown my daughter (if I had one) if she walked around the streets looking like this. Who in their right mind could ever take these women seriously?  Anyone who watches these videos and doesn't believe the morality of society is in jeopardy because of scenarios like this needs to stop smoking crack, or whatever the hell it is they're smoking.  If there is a creator I hope he has mercy on the human race, because we need it.  1 • Reply • Share ›          −     Avatar     Guest jbantifem • 7 days ago      If there is a creator I think he wants his rib back.

3) It is “female nature” to falsely accuse men of rape. In another comment on that  female “rationalization hamster” post, TheMaskAndRose praises AVFM for running articles addressing the important issue of women being dirty lying you know whats.

TheMaskAndRose • 3 days ago  Good summary! The rationalization hamster is also what causes "sex I shouldn't have had" to turn into "he raped me." If a woman gets buyer's remorse, the moment she begins to feel shame is what kicks the hamster into action. It goes through several rotations of "I was drunk" or "I'm angry at my boyfriend" or "he must have raped me" before deciding on an arbitrary outcome as an excuse. I am extremely glad that articles here are continuing to address female nature, it is absolutely inseparable from the feminist nonsense we deal with on a daily basis.  5 • Reply

4) Women are “vipers” with credit cards

In the comments of a post meditating on the notion of privilege (or something, I didn’t read it), l jess warns men not to get involved with women at all. Because of that viper thing.

l jess • 4 days ago  #2 Women do not owe us anything - As long as men do not foolishly get married, have children, or do anything that allows the vipers to sink their fangs into them - then men do not owe women anything - Go MGTOW and enjoy your life - you only owe yourself a life filled with your hobbies. self education, personal time, and whatever else a man wishes for himself - get involved with women and it disappears - the woman has to be placated down to the last nickel on the credit card and men are of no concern. - Do not owe a woman anything, ever!  13 •

5) Don’t marry women because they’re selfish narcissists who won’t let you have a model train set

In the comments to a novella-length post detailing one man’s legal battles with his ex, John Durant reveals that his mother wouldn’t let him have a model train set. And he shares the lesson he took from this childhood tragedy: Avoid women at all costs.

John Durant • 4 days ago  And this is why I have chosen to stay single. I have seen far too many men victimized throughout my lifetime, from my fathers friends who one by one were divorced and screwed by the state to my father who got royally screwed by my mother in their divorce. Then there was my mothers overbearing attitude towards me. Not being allowed to have a model railroad. The dirty looks I would get whenever I would buy anything for my pleasure such as a nice book, or some model trains that I would have to run elsewhere to enjoy. Always being told that I should be saving my hard earned money instead of enjoying it. Then watching my own friends be screwed over by their significant others. For the longest time, I did not date because I didn't make enough money to support a family. Now I see it was for the best. I have no family to support and I can come and go as I please. I have no wife to take me to the cleaners, no children to be used as weapons against me. I see women becoming more and more narcissistic and selfish. The way things are today, MGTOW is the only way.

6) Attractive women have no need nor desire for feminism. Or maybe they do? After praising the  looks of an antifeminist YouTuber, Sway draws the only possible conclusion from this evidence. Or is it the only possible conclusion? I’m not sure what to believe.

sway • 18 hours ago  Of course she's attractive. Attractive women have no need nor desire for feminism.  7 • Reply • Share ›          −     Avatar     MrSonicAdvance sway • 12 hours ago      I see the point you're making, but by that logic, wouldn't attractive women need feminism even more than the boot-faced dykes in order to combat the "rape culture" and "objectification" that women suffer 24/7? Yet amazingly she manages just fine. Patriarchy?

7) Women have too many feelings to be engineers

In yet another comment on that “rationalization hamster post,” Roby 83 compares women — inherently emotional and opinionated — with men — more adept in “objective reasoning.”

Roby 83 • 3 days ago  Most engineers are men because men are more interested than women in understanding how things work. Probably this is why men are more trained than women in objective reasoning: you cannot build a machine that works if you confuse opinions and feelings with reality  9

There is perhaps a teensy bit of irony in the fact that Roby 83 has chosen to post this comment on A Voice for Men, a site run by, and overflowing with, men who think that their tantrums are rational arguments.

And I think that’s my cue to end this little experiment.

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Posted on July 22, 2014, in a voice for men, a woman is always to blame, all about the menz, antifeminism, antifeminist women, are these guys 12 years old?, entitled babies, evil wives, evil women, false accusations, female beep boop, hamstering, homophobia, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, rationalization hamster, women can't logic and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 138 Comments.

  1. Militant Hamster Rationalization Association
    Dare I say War Hamsters?
    Guinea Pig armour. It’s a thing!

    The cutest revolutionaries ever. They slay their enemies with “D’awww!”

    Hmmm…I also got to thinking about this whole model train thing and just realized that my brother has one. He inherited it from my grandfather. It’s a vintage Lionel set that Grandpa put together, one car every Christmas, over the course of the 1940’s.* My brother also has a well paying job, lots of hobbies (some expensive to provision, some not). He’s also partnered with a girlfriend who pays for her own hobbies and interests with an even better paying job. Does that mean that toy trains and women are not mutually exclusive?

    And does my anecdote trump John Durant’s? Or is it invalidated because it’s filtered through emotional ladybrainz?

    *When did Grandpa start doing this? After he and my grandmother got married; wonder why she tolerated an expenditure that was blatantly not for her?

  2. Jesus tapdancing Christ, that sci fi story…

    Because even though it hasn’t happened it is, of course, true…

    I am now filled with sad darkness and a remembrance of the fact that humanity is lost in its own vast, depraved, eternal night.

    At least work is less boring when I am choked with moral despair.


  3. Yeah I’m pretty sure my lack of sleep last night can be at least partly attributed to reading “All My Darling Daughters” earlier in the evening.

  4. @WWTH – [Anyone else side eying Roby83 for using a kitty as an avatar? I have a feeling that the furrinati will not be too pleased with this appropriation. Doesn’t he know that feminists are a subservient arm of the furrinati?]

    Quite the reverse, or nearly. I can’t bring myself to give up all hope for anyone who has the virtue of being fond of cats (I’d likely think the cat deserved better). Think how much worse he’d be if he weren’t.

    In my experience, the major philosophical requirement well-pleased cats impose on those humans fortunate enough to live in their homes is felinism.

  5. Not needing Feminism because you are not objectified is like not needing a fire extinguisher because your house is not on fire.

    Or like not needing health insurance because you’re not sick right now. Or…

  6. Quite the reverse, or nearly. I can’t bring myself to give up all hope for anyone who has the virtue of being fond of cats (I’d likely think the cat deserved better).

    I felt this way before I was acquainted with reddit.

  7. kittehserf MOD

    Felinism, I like it! (Would that be the worship of Ceiling Cat, or Basement Cat, and their minions?)

    This site takes the angle-brackets html route for doing blockquotes, DJG. Catches so many people!

  8. DreamingofRoses

    @bunnybunny : I just finished reading it. That was… horrific. It’s a really well-written story, just scary.

  9. @cloudiah: That judge looks like a real winner. Good that he didn’t get away with it, what he said, and the sentence he gave to that rapist teacher, was unforgivable.

  10. Some of your stories about douche guys made me think of this tumblr. http://straightwhiteboystexting.tumblr.com/ A lot of them are just the usual sexual proposition 2 seconds into a convo, but you also see a lot of man-children going from “hey sexy” to “fuck you whore i hate you” within the span of the word no.
    Apologize if its too off topic, but it is a pretty hilarious-in-a-sad-way blog, me thinks.

  11. at least these stupid mra’s are in agreement to not breed thank fuck for that. Them staying away from women makes it easier to find the good guys

  12. Schwadevivre: all I can focus on is the shadow-shape on the right hand side of that highly pixelated book cover which looks like a giant flourishing moustache floating in the distance.

  13. Shouldn’t have read that story at work. Now I’m swinging between impressed at the writing, pondering the moral implications, and just depressed as all get-out.

  14. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    If you really have a yen for war hamsters…

    i, Obtain Civilization 4,
    ii, Download the Rise from Erebus mod from here
    iii, Run it, ensuring the launcher includes the Hamstalfar module.
    iv, Go nuts.

    And if you’re depressed about “All My Darling Daughters” (which is, after all, a story and one predicated on a jaundiced view of the XY half of the species), then I prescribe Nick Harkaway’s _Goneaway World_, Cory Doctrow’s _For The Win_ as a remedy. Don’t you owe it to yourself to find out why ninjas are afraid of tupperware?

  15. Stories can be affecting even if they are fictional. I don’t think people relating to or meditating on the themes of abuse and self-blame is frivolous. Yikes.

  16. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    Being a librarian, I don’t disagree – I didn’t use the word “frivolous”. Willis captures A truth, but by no means the WHOLE truth.

  17. This John whatsit’s mother told him to save his money? What a narcissistic b*tch! Misandry!

  18. I feel like the story has more to say about the awfulness of a world that humans can create for themselves than it did about any innate ‘badness’ of men. I don’t think it requires a negative view of dude-kind to approach these kinds of ideas about human depravity: I feel that it’s set up as a cultural thing, a bad morality reinforced through generations of a broken society with advanced technology.

  19. To supplement the war hamsters and armoured guinea pig, I bring you the HEDGEHOG VICTORIOUS!

  20. Squee! Love hedgehogs.

  21. I’m not sure if I would rather believe that Wrath of the Lemming Men is a real book, or that that review is a brilliant piece of fiction. Either makes me smile.

  22. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you – the Assault Gerbil.

  23. Am unusually annoyed by this today. Another full bingo card of sexist dumbfuckery
    -feminists are anti man. Check
    -not getting the point of slut walk, check.

    which is so painfully easy to understand that it’s got fuckall to do with sluts getting together to flaunt their scanty fashion choices

    -irrational fear of false accusations and the myth of buyers’ remorse. Check.

    Odd choice of words since they’re the ones always thinking of sex as a transaction where men are the buyer.

    -women after money, blah blah
    -ladybrains can’t reason, can’t math, emotional wrecks, blah blah

    Notice this has fuckall to do with hating feminism (or straw feminism) and everything to do with hating women. With none of these being challenged or down voted, id
    say they can’t claim they don’t hate women. At all.

  24. On any given day of the week during any time of the year, you can find those comments all over mrm places. All written slightly different, of course. Because everyone knows mras don’t parot at all with their bullshit!
    You could miss a year and not miss a single thing. Lmao

  25. cassandrakitty

    That assault gerbil seems to be sleeping on the job. No treats for her until she learns to shape up and stay focused.

  26. That’s not an assault gerbil, it’s an assault hamster!

  27. cassandrakitty

    How do you tell the difference? I’m pretty much lost when it comes to telling one rodent from another, unless one of them is a nutrium.

  28. kittehserf MOD

    She’s a Stealth Assault Hamster. She waits until you’re lulled by her sleepy face and overcome with D’awww, then strikes.

  29. kittehserf MOD

    Bloody hell. I just sprained my eyes rolling them, again.

    Also I have been savaged by the Stealth Attack Cat and have two life-threatening punctures in my knee.

  30. cassandrakitty



    It’s just so specific, makes me wonder if he trolls for women with glasses so he can send this message to every one he finds.

  31. Gerbils have long tails.

  32. kittehserf MOD


    If he’s an optometrist trawling for business, he’s doin it rong.

  33. kittehserf MOD

    I love that one about oral sex!

    Of course the one talking about doing it could mean he’s going to witter on about his fantasies for hours on end. It wouldn’t surprise me.

  34. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    Katz: That’s not an assault gerbil, it’s an assault hamster!

    Frankly, I find your racism disappointing. A gerbil has as much right to arms as a hamster.

  35. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    Katz: Gerbils have long tails.

    There we go again. Sure, at first it’s “I just want to be taxonomically correct”, but all too soon you’re herding innocent gerbils into CAGES!! CAGES!!!

    We haven’t forgotten what you Americans did to the guinea pigs, you know. Don’t try to deny it with your “I don’t know what you mean”, or your “That was the Aztecs, not us” or your “Have you been sniffing glue again” – WE KNOW WHAT YOU DID! Trust me, the guinea pigs remember! The gerbils remember! AND I REMEMBER!

    NOT THIS TIME! I’m not going to let you get away with it this time if I have to arm EVERY SINGLE GERBIL and lead them myself In. BLOODY.. REVOLUTION!!!!

    (for best effect, imagine the above comment was read out loud by Brian Blessed)

  36. cassandrakitty

    Can he be wearing his Flash Gordon costume while he reads this?

  37. Was there any sci-fi show containing British actors where Brian Blessed didn’t have at least one part?

  38. kittehserf MOD

    Brian Blessed is everywhere. My favourite will always be his turn as Squire Western. Nobody chews the scenery quite like he does.

  39. cassandrakitty

    Gary Oldman made some valiant scenery-chewing efforts, but Blessed still wins.

  40. kittehserf MOD

    I’m trying to remember what I’ve seen Gary Oldman in other than Dracula. I’ve a feeling that’s all there is. Didn’t watch the third Potter film, I gave up after the second. Did have a friend who spent the whole screening, according to her, whispering to her husband, “Gary Oldman looks just like Louis in this!”

    Brian Blessed smashing up the wedding breakfast in The History of Tom Jones makes me crack up every time I see it.

  41. My favourite Brian Blessed role is King Richard from the first Black Adder. Seriously the first series was nothing compared to what followed but Blessed was simply hilarious.


  42. Brian Blessed is wholly awesome. He’s just as eccentric irl, totally hilarious, dedicated mountain climber, and has an animal sanctuary kinda place in his grounds.

    Gary Oldman was good at scenery chewing in The Fifth Element. Not as goodlooking as he can be, but very enjoyable as the villain.

    (eccentric is ok to use, yes ? I had been going to type ‘crazy’ or ‘insane’ but then realised that that would be ableist, even though I was using it as a compliment. I have mental health issues myself, but never really thought about the thoughtless (natch) use of such language in daily conversations before I came here, and don’t want to get it wrong now I know.)

  43. kittehserf MOD

    I’ve never heard anyone object to eccentric!

    I saw Brian Blessed on one of Tony Robinson’s Walks Through History shows a while back. I loved it that he spoke with his own accent (slightly broadened) as Squire Western.

    First thing I saw him in would have been Z Cars, though I don’t really remember it. First thing I recall was him playing Augustus in I, Claudius. He was positively restrained there, iirc.

  44. I’m kind of surprised he bothers actually climbing the mountains, if he shouted at them they’d probably fall over.

  45. Brian Blessed has played King Lear. I can’t quite imagine that.

    And nope, if it’s British sci-fi TV, Brian Blessed has been in it.

    Except Red Dwarf.

  46. kittehserf MOD

    LOL! I can imagine that.

  47. kittehserf MOD

    I’d love to see BB doing the mad scene in Lear. That would be special.

    He was great in Henry V, Branagh’s version. Stomping around in full armour suits him very well.

    And now I just have to post my favourite scene from Tom Jones again.

  48. Brian Blessed was apparently briefly considered as Hagrid. I think they went with Robert Coletrain because Rowling liked him best and the only way the Hut on the Rock scene could have played out with Brian Blessed was for the Dursleys to get SLAAAAAIIINN.

  49. kittehserf MOD

    Now I’m thinking of Blessed as Dumbledore.

    Voldemort would have been knocked off in the first film.

  50. Was there any sci-fi show containing British actors where Brian Blessed didn’t have at least one part?

    There’s also a push from a lot of GoT fans to see him cast as Wyman Manderly.

  51. I have an important question: why didn’t Brain Blessed appear in Red Dwarf?

  52. Budget?

    It’s not that there’s no room for him: They run into all kinds of other life forms, even three million years from Earth (and all of them made by humans).

  53. He played the ship whenever it exploded! And Brian Blessed as Dumbledore would never actually cast spells, the shear sound of his incarnations could probably shatter bone.

    Oh and about Brain Hagrid:

    Harry: Hagrid, I never really liked them but was it really-


  54. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    It’s amazing how much more surreal your life becomes if you decide your interior monologue will be voiced by Brian Blessed.

    *By God and King Harry, you SHALL hurry in this queue, woman, or I SHALL STICK ME SWORD THROUGH YOUR GIZZARD!!*

    “Thank you. Could Ijust have a flat white with one sugar, please?”

    *And you’d better get the sugar right, sirrah, or I shall come back AND RIP Y’THROAT OUT WITH ME TEETH!!!*

    (try not to confuse the exterior and interior monologues though…)

  55. Brian Blessed swearing:

  56. One thing I admire about Gary Oldman is that, when I see him in a movie, I never think “wow, Oldman is good in this role.” By comparison, Kenneth Branagh is as good, but I can never forget that I’m watching Kenneth Branagh.

    Blessed was great in Flash Gordon – he seemed to be having a roaring good time.

  57. I think my best “Who the hell is this, I know that voice?” moment was seeing Professor Waldman in Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein. Didn’t know till the credits ran that it was John Cleese.

  58. On a different note, I got sent a link about how SCOTUS really works. (As a non-American, it took me a couple of weeks initially to work out what SCOTUS and POTUS stand for.)

  59. kittehserf MOD

    There’s a reason they call it SCROTUS.

  60. ‘re the wanker in #5…I read his post about how feminism destroyed his life and took his kids s away, then I googled him. Imma just leave this here:http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-supreme-court/1631780.html

    Basically even if the ex lied about his domestic violence case, he pled it out and agreed to various terms of custody and visitation, which he subsequently violated. Boo hoo.

  61. You’ve never been clear on the subject; are you a mangina, a beta male, or a white knight? Come clean, you traitorous uh…traitor!

  62. Is it really the prevailing attitudes among them, that these “alpha males” should not marry or breed with females? Way to misunderstand the point of being alpha. But, there within the problem, lieth the solution, so far be it from me to argue the stellar logic.

  63. Pfffft, in my experience, women are better engineers than men. Having a societal pass to understand the emotions of a team makes you a better leader of that team, and hence a better engineer.

    Plus, there’s nothing more amusing than watching guys forming cliques, bitching about and backstabbing each other and then attributing those characteristics to women. Of course, as they only understand those behaviours through stereotypes, they’re unlikely to ever have the self-awareness to understand what they’re doing, but it’s worth a (rueful) laugh anyway.

  64. I just wonder where these guys are getting their “false rape claim” data. I have a Master’s Degree in Criminal Justice and my recollection is that statistically, only two percent of reported rape cases were later determined to be false (at least in the US). Most of the time, rape victims (female or male) don’t even file a police report.

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