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The Feminists: A story so frighteningly impossible, you won’t believe it wasn’t collectively written by the Men’s Rights subreddit

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Uh oh

 

A tiny group of gallant men (and “their women”) go underground to fight the evil gynocratic overlords. Is this the plot of a terrible dystopian potboiler from 1971, or a description of how most MRAs see themselves, and the world, today?

Turns out it’s both. I found this pic in the Blue Pill subreddit, and now I really, really want to read this book.

Here’s a book review from someone who did.

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Posted on July 19, 2014, in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. 496 Comments.

  1. Hahahahahaha!!!! Oh my gods this sounds amazing. I have to find a copy.

  2. So… they have to get permission… even if the woman is willing? Well, no shit! HOW WOULD THEY GET PERMISSION OTHERWISE?

  3. Maybe they’d have to get the mythical written permission slip so many MRA’s insist that feminists want to ensure consent.

  4. cassandrakitty

    “Men and their women”? Oh, misogynists, you fail so badly at hiding your shitty attitude towards women.

  5. My favorite line from the book review was the ending:

    But, all told, and I might pick up some flak for this, it wasn’t as bad as it could have been.

  6. Also, I read it on tumblr somewhere, but it’s so true in this case: a dystopia is when a writer asks, “Wait, what if all this shitty stuff in the world… was happening to [insert privileged class here] instead? OMG!”

  7. cassandrakitty

    LBT, you sneaky little comment ninja. The greatest nightmare of misogynists has always been that women will do to them what they’ve done to us.

  8. RE: cassandrakitty

    *snrk* Really, for a gender that seems to take such stock in its strength, it sure doesn’t like to have that strength TESTED, now does it?

  9. cassandrakitty

    It’s the complete lack of self-awareness that gets me. Oh no, an entire sex reduced to chattel status and viewed as being good for nothing but procreation, I WONDER WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE?

  10. “TO TAKE A WOMAN IS A CRIME.” Gasp horror!

  11. cassandrakitty

    I know some people find it sexy, but I’ve always found “take” as a synonym for “have sex with” so repulsive.

  12. I’m with you, Cassandra. It sounds really rapey to me. Might as well say “use a woman,” IMHO. And it’s telling that no one ever talks about women “taking” men.

  13. cassandrakitty

    It’s also super cheesy, imo. Rapey + cheesy, not a combination that’s likely to get me in the mood.

  14. Really? I pretty much read ‘take’ as a euphemism for rape, in this book cover. It seems a pretty safe bet, in books like that.

    As for “oh my god! Men getting killed for raping women!” uhhh… yeah. That was something that indeed has happened.

  15. “To take a woman is a crime!!!” Was it not already??? O.O

  16. cassandrakitty

    It’s like False Rape Accusations – The Movie! Except that if you’re the kind of person who thinks that having to get a woman’s permission to “take” her is an outrage then they probably aren’t false.

  17. Okay, if the woman is willing, who are they getting permission from?

    At first I read it as permission from the willing woman, which really sounds like a good and not terrible thing…

    But what if they have to have permission from the government? That would be a legit issue.

    Stinking book cover thing and it’s ambiguousness on some things and blatant yuck on other things!!!

  18. In the terrible feminist future, you, a man (because who else would I be talking to, women? Can they even read?) will be forced to find out if a woman wants you to do sex at her before doing sex at her. DUN DUN DUNNN

  19. RE: contrapangloss

    But what if they have to have permission from the government? That would be a legit issue.

    Let’s all take a moment to imagine the sheer amount of manpower and paperwork such a thing would require, everyone.

  20. A friend of mine had rats; they were adorable and would climb into my hoodie and use the hood as a nap hammock when we let them out of their cage on movie night hangouts.

    Sweet, clever little things.

  21. cassandrakitty

    Everyone need a bit of brain bleach after that? Here, have a cat helping to wash the dishes.

    http://siz.io/s/cat/v/cat-helps-washing-the-dishes?srctum

  22. Every single part of this cover is gold. I mean,

    Men must get permission to make love to any female

    Who knew the “men and females” misogynist shibboleth had such a long and proud history?

    –even if she is willing–

    The (blurb) author thinks it’s possible to “make love” to an unwilling participant. They just flat-out called rape “making love.”

    or the penalty is death!

    Don’t get me wrong, I am vehemently against the death penalty, but this reads a lot less like a condemnation of capital punishment and a lot more like “What’s wrong with a heavy fine???!? It’s not, like, a big deal or whatever!”

  23. Also, I read it on tumblr somewhere, but it’s so true in this case: a dystopia is when a writer asks, “Wait, what if all this shitty stuff in the world… was happening to [insert privileged class here] instead? OMG!”

    I know, right? If I had a nickel for every “what if everyone was racist against white people?” book…

  24. LBT:

    Oh, Great Merciful Spagetti-Monster! So much paperwork.

    :: runs screaming into the afternoon ::

  25. “To get permission to perform — during coitus, please attach supplementary form 17b to your copulation request. If you wish to use prophylactics, attach supplementary form 24-a-2. Please allow up to 6 months for your request to be processed. If approved, note that any reported deviation from your filed intercourse plan will result in immediate incarceration and a definite death sentence.”

  26. Nothing new; guess which book this is

    Now the wickedness of women is spoken of in Ecclesiasticus xxv: There is no head above the head of a serpent: and there is no wrath above the wrath of a woman. I had rather dwell with a lion and a dragon than to keep house with a wicked woman. And among much which in that place precedes and follows about a wicked woman, he concludes: All wickedness is but little to the wickedness of a woman.
    Wherefore S. John Chrysostom says on the text, It is not good to marry (S. Matthew xix): What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, a domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil of nature, painted with fair colours! Therefore if it be a sin to divorce her when she ought to be kept, it is indeed a necessary torture; for either we commit adultery by divorcing her, or we must endure daily strife.

    Cicero in his second book of The Rhetorics says: The many lusts of men lead them into one sin, but the lust of women leads them into all sins; for the root of all woman’s vices is avarice. And Seneca says in his Tragedies: A woman either loves or hates; there is no third grade. And the tears of woman are a deception, for they may spring from true grief, or they may be a snare. When a woman thinks alone, she thinks evil.

  27. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    @cassandrakitty: LBT, you sneaky little comment ninja.

    She beats you here, she beats you there
    Face it, she beats you everywhere.
    Is she a genius? – Is she a bore?
    That damned, elusive commentor.

    (Yeah, I know, but I needed three syllables)

  28. Who knew the “men and females” misogynist shibboleth had such a long and proud history?

    At least to the 19th century, as, apparently, does people drily drawing attention to it.

  29. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    To get permission to perform — during coitus, please attach supplementary form 17b to your copulation request. If you wish to use prophylactics, attach supplementary form 24-a-2.

    “When attaching supplementary form 24-a-2 requesting permission to use prophylactics, you MUST attach any and all such prophylactics to the request along with suitable usage certification from a participating ANSO authority. Attach using only staples as other means can detach. Prophylactics will be returned to you if found suitable no less than three working days prior to coitus.”.

  30. Grumpycatsagirl,
    Me too. Rats are adorable.

  31. @katz, wow. They may be terrible, but at least they’re terrible in consistent ways? >.>

  32. I’m a he, Phoenician.

    RE: katz

    If I had a nickel for every “what if everyone was racist against white people?” book…

    Yeah. For me, the equivalent is the, “God, what if like, MOST people were poor! Not just, like, poor people but you know, MOST PEOPLE! Just imagine!”

    GEE SIR I CAN’T EVEN IMAGINE.

  33. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    I’m a he, Phoenician.

    Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. Tried checking from skimming your site, but got it wrong.

  34. More brain bleach: my first real blog post in a long time, featuring the comic stylings of our own brooked:

    https://artistryforfeminismandkittens.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/feminist-high-council-punishes-david/

  35. @viscaria, LBT

    From what I understand, imposing the death penalty as punishment for rape is a rather old practice. The last U.S. execution for rape occurred in 1964 in Missouri. It was only in 1977, in Coker v. Georgia, that Supreme Court ruled that executing someone for rape alone was unconstitutional.

    Also, I’m glad to know I’m not the only one here who opposes the death penalty. :)

  36. I’ve seen anti-women’s suffrage cartoons that harped incessantly on the ‘if women get the vote, they’ll run EVERYthing, and men will be disenfranchised helots!’ theme. As if society requires that one gender be supreme, no matter what. The idea that men and women could be, yanno, *equal* in some significant way didn’t seem to register.

    But then, it still doesn’t, to some people.

  37. Yeah. For me, the equivalent is the, “God, what if like, MOST people were poor! Not just, like, poor people but you know, MOST PEOPLE! Just imagine!”

    Remember in Save the Pearls when there are two people living in a three-room apartment? Oh, the poverty! And remember that guy who was forced to drink TAP WATER?

    Contest idea: Who can find the most affluent “dystopia”?

  38. Wow. I don’t even have words. I could come up with a better plot by throwing darts at a random plot thing board. That and… how could someone write this with a straight face? It seems like it should be some bizarre parody.

  39. Also, yay, A4F&K is back!

  40. RE: Menomsyne

    The last U.S. execution for rape occurred in 1964 in Missouri.

    Huh, not that long ago then. I’m not really surprised.

    I’m against the death penalty as a matter of pragmatics; the system is very flawed, and there’s been at least one person proved innocent after being executed. An imprecise system should never have such a permanent thing as death as a consequence; it’ll inevitably kill off innocent people.

    RE: katz

    Remember in Save the Pearls when there are two people living in a three-room apartment? Oh, the poverty!

    BAHAHAHA. I never managed to read that goddamn book but Jesus. It’d just make me too angry.

  41. I really like the gif of the Feminist High Council in session.

  42. Didn’t you guys make fun of Save the Pearls in a hilarious forum snark-a-thon?

  43. Nope, I was unable to take part! You must have me confused with another snarkster; I mostly MST g0ys and creepy romance books.

  44. Contest idea: Who can find the most affluent “dystopia”?

    Probably not the kind you’re looking for, but Omelas might qualify. Or Huxley’s World State.

  45. I’m not saying this book is tolerable. It had a lot of mistakes beyond the stupid treatment of women. At one point it spelled pacifists as passivists. And it was very, very degrading to women. More than one woman was described as buxom. Which is to say that was the only way she was described. This book very definitely had a breast fetish.

    BOOOOOBIEEEEEEZ! >crunches cookies, flings cookie fragments and crumbs everywhere<

  46. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    I know this is a minor point, but check out the font on the title! It’s meant to be a terse thriller titles that names the scary baddies, but look at all those curlicues! It looks like the title card for a seventies sitcom.

  47. Contest idea: Who can find the most affluent “dystopia”?

    Do you count all the dystopias where humanity is kept in arrested development with no real purpose in life but endless partying, sex, and controlled substances (e.g. Brave New World) or where everybody is an emotionless robot (e.g. Equilibrium)? Since the point isn’t “look at how poor they are!”, I’d exclude those.

    My entry for most affluent dystopia is any number of “persecuted Christian” movies such as The Last Eagle Scout. You mean the United States has to acknowledge all those non-Christians as human beings? Oh, no! Maybe they’re not marketed as traditional dystopias, but honestly, I’d go even further and put them on the fantasy shelf next to The Beastmaster for all the plausibility they have.

    While not really affluent when you think about the implications, one dystopia I found really interesting is the Black Mirror episode Fifteen Million Merits. I can’t do it justice in text.

  48. kittehserf MOD

    Ah, yes. All those centuries in so many societies when women were men’s property, chattel, breeding machines. Nothing to see here, folks, move along. But reverse the roles and suddenly it’s all HUMAN RIGHTS!!!1eleventy!!

  49. LOL Clearly you haven’t actually read what the conspiracy theorist MRAs have to say. There won’t be some Feminazi Fourth Reich. The current conspiracy theory is that the continued and ever increasing pandering to women is going to drive the world economies bankrupt creating a depression on the scale of the Dark Ages. There isn’t going to be a Fourth Reich of Feminazi, The conspiracy theory is that there will be a thousand years of darkness recreating the need for the “Traditional” gender roles and forcing people back into these roles despite “Women’s Empowerment”

    Whats really going to happen is that “Men’s Rights” is going to pick up steam and power and influence over the next 20 years and get the pendulum moving back twords equilibrium, but just like feminism the pendulum is going to have a great deal of momentum as it blows right past the point of equilibrium, Then we are going to have 20 years of men having it better than women before Feminism crops back up again and swings the pendulum back in favor of women. Lather Rinse Repeat off into infinity.

    If anyone here actually wants gender equality, then the best thing you could possibly do isn’t argue for “Women’s Rights”. To create gender equality we need to slow the pendulums swings so that it can settle on equilibrium. The further past equality that you push it now, the faster it will swing past equality and the further the pendulum will swing to favor men

  50. Do you count all the dystopias where humanity is kept in arrested development with no real purpose in life but endless partying, sex, and controlled substances (e.g. Brave New World) or where everybody is an emotionless robot (e.g. Equilibrium)? Since the point isn’t “look at how poor they are!”, I’d exclude those.

    No, I mean specifically the ones where it’s like “After disaster X the world was plunged into destitution” but then you actually see people and they seem pretty middle-class. Like how in the Mad Max movies everyone has a car.

  51. cassandrakitty

    Can we put GNL on moderation for being boring, and only publish comments where he manages against all odds to be entertaining? My scrolling finger is getting tired.

  52. genderneutrallanguage: in what ways is the pendulum presently past the point of equality?

  53. kittehserf MOD

    @LBT, I like that manuscript.

    @Viscaria, I’ve seen the “men and females” thing in 19th century diaries.

    @cassandra, that dish-washing kitty is hilarious (and soooo pretty).

    Re: the getting permission – it read immediately to me as being permission from authorities, not from the woman participating. I think that was the whole point of the “even if she’s willing” bit, which is rapey enough all by itself. I was half inclined to think they meant making love in the broader, older sense of courting, but is courtship even allowed if men have been reduced to chattel? Seems unlikely (or just more inconsistency, which wouldn’t be at all surprising).

  54. kittehserf MOD

    cassandrakitty, works for me. Want me to unapprove his latest wall of boredom?

  55. Maybe I just can’t remember because GNL is just that boring, but have we attempted to pop him yet? Popping trolls is more entertaining than they are most of the time and it does seem to make them go away (albeit after several failed flounces and with a few socks here and there).

  56. No, I mean specifically the ones where it’s like “After disaster X the world was plunged into destitution” but then you actually see people and they seem pretty middle-class.

    Ah– then the all-time winner there is the post-Rapture world of the Left Behind series.

  57. kittehserf MOD

    I don’t think we have, Alex. He tends to make a really boring, stupid comment, then disappear, iirc.

  58. This is not entirely accurate. Why does the description of the book not mention anything about cats?

    Also, can we troll challenge GNL? Make xir actually entertaining for once?

  59. cassandrakitty

    He’s pretty much doomed to lack entertainment value due to the factors that Kittehs mentioned, which is why I feel like just not letting him comment unless he says something interesting might be the way to go, plus refusing to allow him to mansplain all over the place might make him frustrated enough to pop entertainingly.

  60. cassandrakitty

    A troll challenge would work too. He certainly owes us some sort of entertainment as compensation for having to scroll through his tedious crap for so long.

  61. not letting him comment unless he says something interesting

    So… not letting him comment at all?

  62. kittehserf MOD

    I’d be quite happy to do the “kill his comments with fire” thing I did to the Vegan Pill, if only because it pisses ‘em off, until such time as the Dark Lord decides whether to moderate GNL or not.

    Not that I’m mean or anything.

  63. cassandrakitty

    BTW. tip for you guys.

    http://fedoramancer.tumblr.com/post/92083179886/actual-quote-from-his-book-if-you-can-believe-it

    The new frontier for MRA activism – lowering the age of consent to 12.

  64. cassandrakitty

    Actually this tumblr is a goldmine of mock-worthy material. For example!

    http://fedoramancer.tumblr.com/image/91951343231

    It probably shows how overexposed to manosphere crap I am that the thing I find most offensive about this idiot’s profile is the fact that he thinks Evanescence is a heavy metal band.

  65. kittehserf MOD

    So, a wannabe pedophile putting his face and hideous thoughts out there for all the world to see.

    Be nice if his local police kept a watch on him.

  66. I’m sort of curious as to what he means by women have swung the pendulum past the point of equality, but it’s probably some weird alternate reality of his own imagination, so not much of a loss.

    On the “taking a woman” thing; yeah, rapey and gross.

  67. kittehserf MOD

    I’ve never known a “smart, funny, witty” person who actually introduces themselves that way.

    And “signature blue sweater”? Wat?

  68. @Skye: I’m pretty sure he means that, in his world, women are now more privileged because feminism went too far or something.

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