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A Voice for Men's Attila Vinczer is trying to "dox" me. It's not going well for him so far.

Not Attila Vinczer
Not Attila Vinczer

This morning I found a strange message in my notifications on Twitter:

Mr. Vinczer followed up this perplexing tweet with a bunch more insinuating that I’m a “hack,” a “pathological liar,” a “criminal,” and so on — as well as some links to what he apparently sees as “dirt” about me. (More on the latter in a moment.)

Apparently Vinczer — the “Activia Director” for men’s rights hate site A Voice for Men and the son of the genius who designed that AVFM commemorative coin — was stung by my gentle criticism of his father’s coin-designing skills.

So he has decided to dox me, apparently going as far as hiring a private detective to look into my allegedly sordid life.

So far his doxing of me is not going very well, in that the “dirt” he has dug up about me is either wildly inaccurate, not particularly “infamous”– or not information about me, specifically, at all.

His most serious not-quite accusation: That I’m a criminal. His proof? He’s dug up a 2008 arrest record for some other guy named David Futrelle, roughly a decade older than me, with a different middle initial, and living nearly 900 miles away from me. This man — frankly, he seems like an embarrassment to all of us David Futrelles — was charged with the crime of “possessing stolen goods.”

In case anyone is wondering, I’ve never been arrested. Except once, by campus police, for participating in a sit-in protesting apartheid. (The charges were later dropped.)

The other, er, “information” Attila has dug up is, while actually related to me and not to some other guy, is just a teensy bit inaccurate.

 

Attila L. Vinczer ‏@Alvhun 9h  Who is @DavidFutrelle ? http://sic1.nguso.com/Illinois/1132/313412506/David-Futrelle.html …      Reply     Retweet     2 Favorited  David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 2h  @Alvhun Yes, you got me. "David Futrelle is a U.S. company located in 147broadst, AMFOHARE, Illinois." My phone # is indeed 773 555-4444      Reply     Retweet     Favorite     Delete  Attila L. Vinczer ‏@Alvhun 2h  @DavidFutrelle Bullseye. 3:18 PM - 15 Jul 2014 · Details Hide conversation      Reply     Retweet     Favorite  Tweet text Reply to @Alvhun   David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 1h  @Alvhun Feel free to give me a call. That number again is 773 555-4444. I'll just hanging out in my home in AMFOHARE, Illinois.

NOTE: There is no city named AMFOHARE, Illinois, nor do any real telephone numbers in the US start with 555.

He has also managed to figure out that I have (gasp!) practiced journalism.

And he’s suggested that I might be, er, the Antichrist:

But two can play at this game. So I have begun digging up information about this Attila guy. And what I have discovered so far is shocking.

 

David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle  @Alvhun Attila Viczer, is this you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila  Were you the ruler of the Huns from 434 until your death in 453?

David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle  @Alvhun Attila, were you responsible for "so many murders and blood-lettings that the dead could not be numbered?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila

He’s been pretty cagey so far about his career as Number One Hun.

 

David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 2h  @Alvhun Attila Viczer, did you plunder the Balkans, and attempt to conquer Roman Gaul and Rome itself, devestating northern Italy?      Reply     Retweet     Favorite     Delete  Attila L. Vinczer ‏@Alvhun 1h  @DavidFutrelle Can you be more specific professor of lies. 3:16 PM - 15 Jul 2014 · Details Hide conversation      Reply     Retweet     Favorite  Tweet text Reply to @Alvhun   David Futrelle ‏@DavidFutrelle 1h  @Alvhun You know what you did, Attila! The Roman Gauls will not forget!

And neither will I.

LEGAL DISCLAIMER: Attila Vinczer is not actually the “Activia Director” of AVFM. He is the “Activism Director.” Activia is yogurt that makes you poop, allegedly. He is also not Attila the Hun, as far as I know.

 

 

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A Wolverine
A Wolverine
6 years ago

The PI i totally just hired says GWW sprung fully formed from a drum of toxic waste.
really found a new bottom of the fucking barrel for that one.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
6 years ago

Thanks Shiraz. I wondered if they were going for “the pebble in the pond” but did not think even they so very trite. Still, their pond persists in looking like a crushed soda can.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Wait, Vinczer claimed he was doing “investigative journalism” via doxxing and stalking? No. No. If I or any of my former co-worker’s attempted to do such a thing, our editor would shut us down immediately for fear of a lawsuit. And like for being immoral. Hello? Sometimes, people would threaten reporters on our staff with doxxing in an effort to scare us off stories. Luckily, we had in office legal advisors who told us these were scare tactics that should be reported to the police.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Oh, thebewilderness, you’re welcome. And yes, it looks a lot like a “crushed soad can” too. Wow.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I still think we should start referring to that site as A Voice for Straight White Men (who really hate the ladies). So AVFSWMwrhtl. OK, so it’s a bit ungainly, but accuracy is important.

BritterSweet
6 years ago

I mean I knew MRAs had fragile egos, but this is something else. Don’t try and criticise them or even joke about them or they will literally try and ruin your life.

Never underestimate entitled dudebros. Make some videos about sexism and misogyny in video games? Make a documentary about the bad treatment people get for their weight? Turn down a prom invitation? Report your rapists? Be a female college student at a protest? They will want blood.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

WWTH, what about this demonic cat?
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Ally S
6 years ago

A Voice For Able-bodied Neurotypical White Cis Straight Thin Male Colonialists.

AVFANWCSTMC

More power to the Men’s Rational Logical Superior Human Person Rights Movement! (MRLSHRPM)

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

Well, shit.

Our vet just rang. Fribbie’s thyroid readings are back in the normal range, but her kidney readings aren’t. She hasn’t responded to the kidney pills. So, the first choice is to put her on a special diet – except the food for that is chicken flavoured and Fribs only likes fish. Second is to fiddle around with more meds, which is less effective. The vet would also like, ideally, to have her in for three days on IV to flush those toxins, making a clean slate for treatment. Which would cost at least $500. We’ll probably do it, but I’ll have to ask Mum what she thinks, since she’s going to have to pay for this one. I just shelled out $200 yesterday for Fribbie’s checkup and blood scan.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Awww. So sorry, about that, kitteh. **Sigh** Stay strong.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Of course we could just admit that it really stands for A Voice for Misogynists, which is nice and short (and includes the honey badgers).

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

@ Kittehs

I nursed my kitty through 3 years of renal problems, so if you need help let me know.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

Thanks, Shiraz, cassandra!

I might well email you about that. We’ve had kitties pass over due to renal failure, but I don’t recall if they managed three years from start to end. Given Fribs is 18, she probably doesn’t have too many years left here anyway (though who knows, she might fool us all and do a Magnus). It’ll be great if I can persuade her to eat the kidney food, but the thing is it has to be the only food they get to work. Even a little other food has too many of the toxins the kidneys just aren’t processing. It’ll take some doing to persuade Fribs to eat this stuff.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
6 years ago

@Marinerachel: I am gross.

Me and the wife have chortled together over Youtube videos of sebaceous cysts. they’re disgusting, but compelling as they are drained.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

Update: Mum’s home and we’ve booked Fribs into the house of torture vet clinic tomorrow. At least she gets to take a few tins of her favourite food with her (the stuff I’d just stocked up on ‘cos it was on sale … sigh.)

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

Hmm, cysts … Fribs has a recurring cyst on her neck. First time our poor vet pressed it, it blasted goo on her face. Such a fun job.

katz
6 years ago

GWW’s thing:

My own name and all associated info is very easy to access–easy enough that I got a phone call just the other day from a random person wanting to thank me for my videos and buy me dinner next time they’re in town. How does one dox a person who is operating under their real name and presenting their real face to the world?

So you and David can’t be doxxed, because your identities are already publicly known. Okay.

You also realize that the few times I’ve criticized the doxxing of someone who was already operating under their real name was in cases like Justin Vacula, whose parents were doxxed (and subsequently subjected to a letter-writing campaign telling them what a horrible son they’d raised)?

…I guess people whose identities are known can be doxxed. But maybe this is a special case because of the parents?

Hey, did you know that I was doxxed by a radical feminist ages ago?

…Or maybe you just can’t keep track of what you’re saying for three paragraphs.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

You haven’t lived until you’ve squeezed out dog anal glands.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

katz: that last statement is a little inaccurate. She can’t keep track of what’s she’s saying from one sentence to the next.

katz
6 years ago

Because did I ever mention that Attila claims to have 25 personal lawsuits in progress?

…I think I just figured out why his dad volunteered to design a coin for him.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

You haven’t lived until you’ve squeezed out dog anal glands.

Bloke I worked with in my first job had to do that for his beagle. He described it graphically enough that it’s burned into my brain thirty years later!

NaCl
NaCl
6 years ago

Given the current state of David’s twitter discussion with whoever the hell blackbeard is, perhaps he should try bringing up Senator Cools again?

After all, AVFM doesn’t associate with homophobia, nope nope nope.

Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Kitteh — maybe Fribs could have actual fish with the special food? At least at first so silly puss associates the new stuff with fish? Not that doing that with brine shrimp and tubifex got Puff to eat the damned tubifex!

Good luck to you and your feline overlord!

strivingally
6 years ago

At least there’s several David Futrelles to make it harder to target Our Benevolent Overlord with harassment. I am unlucky enough to have a name that’s unique in google searches, which is my main reason for choosing to stay pseudonymous when discussing the manosphere – I’d rather have accounts that are completely separated from my professional and social circles for this stuff, just in case some dudebro with a bug up his butt suddenly decides it’d be fun to make my life hell.

katz
6 years ago

Kittehs, I hope Fribbs gets better.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

One quick thing on the special kidney food – most of them cats seem to hate, so she may reject the food when you try it. My vet told me that it was OK to mix that food with a small amount of a food that your cat really likes, on the principle that having them eat a small amount of the less than ideal food is better than them not eating at all, which cats can’t do for very long without risking other health problems. So what I did was found lists of commercial cats foods that broke down the nutritional content and picked the ones that he liked best that were lowest in the problem components, and those were the ones I gave him mixed with the kidney food. I also tried all the different kidney diets on him and eventually found that he would eat the Royal Canin one much more happily than any of the others, so that’s the one he got (it’s little chunks in gravy rather than a pate, and he hated pates in general). There’s also a vitamin supplement for cats that tastes meaty (smells it too) that can be poured over the kidney food to make it smell more palatable. My vet said part of the problem is that most of the kidney foods don’t have much of a smell, from a cat’s perspective, and if they don’t think it smells like food they won’t eat it.

bluecatbabe
bluecatbabe
6 years ago

Given that all of us who post here are demonstrably a legion of demonic cats fighting over the controls in a David Futrelle sock-puppet suit, does that mean that, back when we were all 10 years older (cos time travel is another demonic cat power, obs) and using a slightly different name we were once collectively arrested for something or other?

But apparently the real problem is that us-in-a-David suit have not said anything nice about MRAs (not actually true – didn’t we all comment on Paul Elam’s awesome ability to milk money?)

Doesn’t seem to have occurred to Atilla the Hen there that ‘saying nice things about MRAs’ and ‘saying accurate things about MRAs backed up with MRAs own words and actions,’ might not be be strictly compatible.

tinyorc
6 years ago

damselindetech:

Girl Writes… Wut?

Exactly. She has one of the most accurate handles I’ve ever seen. I literally can’t get through a paragraph of her stuff with going “… what?”

cassandrakitty:

Of course we could just admit that it really stands for A Voice for Misogynists, which is nice and short (and includes the honey badgers).

I think A Pile of Money for Paul Elam is still my favourite – not as succinct, but definitely accurate!

tessietura
6 years ago

where I am from, Activia is a kind of yogurt that makes you take a shit. I suppose it’s fitting as MRAs do kind of give me the shits.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

Thanks for the good wishes, all!

I’m not confident that Fribs will take to the Hill’s food at all. Chicken’s pretty bland stuff and she likes her smelly fish. (Tuna farts from cats, hurk.)

The adding-a-bit-for-odour/flavour is pretty much what I suspect I’ll have to do. I asked our vet about it and her response was that it wipes out the good the special food does, but I suspect she was thinking I meant a 50/50 sort of mix. I’m not, I’m just thinking a garnish to get it past the taste test.

Well, that’s annoying. I’m just looking up the Royal Canin Australia site, and they only seem to have dry food. Fribs only has about 4.5 teeth, dry food ain’t happening!

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

Oh, hang on – do they have wet food in sachets?

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Yes, and Iams. Ours love it. The smell ability is important – when Panda was very blocked up with a head cold one year, I hadn’t realised he hadn’t eaten for a couple of days – and that’s serious in cats because they can get feline hepatic lipidosis. As soon as I found out, I raced to the vet and got some Hill’s wet food (the special one that you can only get from vets) and a syringe. I had to mix it with water and syringe it into his mouth, which he really didn’t like. I also went to the chemist and got a vaporiser. Then it was me and him, with him huddled in the shower on a towel, with the door to the bathroom shut, and me syringing food into him every couple of hours. We had already installed those special bathroom hotpoints so I could keep the door shut while I steamed up the bathroom completely with the vaporiser.

He came right, but I thought I was going to lose him. I still panic every time he gets sneezy.

The vet said that cats only eat if they can smell their food – so a completely blocked nose means that they won’t eat. 🙁

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

I just looked at the prices for the Royal Canin. HOLY SHIT that stuff’s expensive. $23 for a 12 x 100gm sachet???

… aaaand IAMs don’t have specific renal diet.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Actually if she’s entering renal failure she shouldn’t really have dry food at all anyway. The Hills food almost all cats seem to hate, though, and ime it cost about the same as the Royal Canin. It’s usually cheaper if you can buy it directly and not from the vet.

Deoridhe
Deoridhe
6 years ago

If David turns out to be a suit filled with piles of puppies instead of the proper herd of cats I shall be extremely upset!

Misandry!!

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Looks like it’s cheaper if you can get a larger bulk pack, like 48s: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Royal-Canin-Veterinary-Feline-Sachet/dp/B0036F3ZBW

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

See if the supplier can order it in, in bulk, for you. I’ve had success in the past trying to get larger packs of things that weren’t on shelves.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I’d suggest trying a few packs of any new food first to see if she’ll eat it before ordering in bulk though, unless the place you’re ordering from has a great return policy.

kittehserf MOD
kittehserf MOD
6 years ago

Fribs hasn’t wanted, or been able, to eat dry food much her whole life. She already had tooth problems when we got her as a kitten.

Scary thing about that Royal Canin price – I was looking at a discount website!

Fear not, no way would I be buying in bulk unless I knew Fribs loved the stuff. Though you know what’d happen then.

Our vet’s going to try Fribs on a bit of the Hill’s food while she’s up there, at least if Fribs isn’t too stressed out. We’ll see how it goes. Hill’s only sell through vets, unfortunately, so if that proves to be the food, I’ll be stuck with their price. They do have an insurance scheme that gives 20% off food prices, so it may be less expensive to sign up for that.

Sigh. I’d better get a decently paying job after I do that training course, that’s all I can say. Though at the moment any income would be an improvement.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Yeah, all the prescription diet ones seem to be vet-only.

daintydougal
daintydougal
6 years ago

Best wishes to Fribbs. Poorly animals is the worst.
Does Atilla’s ‘investigative report’ solely consist of ask jeeves? They really couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery.
It is worrying though. Hope David/us/the tiny review leaving kitten is safe. Keep up the good fight! (of gently mocking terrible design work).

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

In terms of smellability for cat food, the microwave can come in handy. Nuke the ghastly stuff for a few seconds – warm enough so that you can really smell it – and they’ll often go for it madly.

Of course, it means that yet another room in your house will smell like cat farts, but that’s what exhaust fans and/or open windows or doors are for.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
6 years ago

I’m glad I read this post before going to the store. My bowel’s been on strike for a time, and this reminded me to get me some Activia yoghurt while I’m there. All thanks to the Activia Director thing.

I hereby propose a new tagline for the AVFM: Compassion for assholes and shit.

…What? At least this one is true.

Re GWW: Ow. Ow. My brain hurts after reading that. Not only are her arguments what a common person might call terrible and wrong, but also incomprehensible. And people say my train of thought is difficult to follow.

Obviously, David is not the Antichrist. There is no “Futrelle” mountain range.

I’ve only spent one skill point on Knowledge: Christian literature, but… was that a Left Behind reference?

brooked
6 years ago

Mr. Futrelle,

The Feminist High Council has become aware that an associate of the website A Voice For Men, Attila L. Vinczer, has threatened via Twitter to hire a private investigator to confirm both living and non-living facts about you. As you know, all actions of the FHC and it’s supporters must remain classified. We have been so successful at acting in complete secrecy that only AVFM and some intrepid teens on reddit have learned of our Radical Feminist plans for global male gendercide.

While the investigation remains ongoing, we have concluded at this time that the private investigator Mr Vinczer has contracted is a popular search engine such as Google or an unpopular search engine such as Bing. While we are relieved that you will not be investigated by a competent adult, the FHC still feels it’s imperative to address Mr. Vinczer’s claims. It has been difficult due the fits of laughter that Mr. Vinczer’s tweets inspire, but we have a few comments and questions regarding his statements.

Attila L. Vinczer @Alvhun
@DavidFutrelle So you admit being a criminal by your inference.

After hours of study, we came to the conclusion that he doesn’t know what the word inference means.

Attila L. Vinczer @Alvhun
@DavidFutrelle Can you be more specific professor of lies.

We encourage you to be a more general professor of lies, as this with afford you more flexibility with your falsehood.

Attila L. Vinczer @Alvhun
@Lyall I thought so, but just for laughs and giggles, would like to decode this beast, manboobz. Is David sociable or just pure sourness?

We do not know the answer to his query, please lick yourself and let us know if you’re pure sourness or kind of salty.

Attila L. Vinczer @Alvhun
@DavidFutrelle is infatuated with #mrm with heavy leaning on AVFM. Could @DavidFutrelle be the Antichrist or just a cheap antagonist wannabe

We have concluded that this makes no damn sense.

A link provided by Mr. Vinczer contained the following:

David Futrelle is a U.S. company located in 147broadst, AMFOHARE, Illinois, belongs to sic9999 (Unclassified) industry. – See more at: http://sic1.nguso.com/Illinois/1132/313412506/David-Futrelle.html#sthash.R4YYso5a.dpuf

None of this information was provided by you when you filled out your Male Feminist Blogger application form and contractional agreement. Are you in fact a company belonging to sic999?

We ask that you respond to this letter in a timely manner as we would hate to be forced to suspend the blog We Hunted The Mammoth due to some confusion over your loyalty and value to Radical Feminism.

Yours in Sisterhood,
The Feminist High Council
A Secret Bunker, CA USA

brooked
6 years ago

I did enjoy this tweet.

David Futrelle @DavidFutrelle
@Alvhun I hope you got Magnum PI, because he’s very handsome, possibly the most handsome of all PIs.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Attila L. Vinczer @Alvhun
@DavidFutrelle Can you be more specific professor of lies.

What is a comma, and how is it used?

daintydougal
daintydougal
6 years ago

Ohhhhh, I thought the professor of lies tweet needed an ‘a’ and a question mark. Deciphering their nonsense is hard!

cloudiah
6 years ago

Poor Fribs! I hope things work out for the best. Seconding the thing about microwaving the food — or another technique that worked on my last cats was to mix in a little hot water to make it both taste better and be a little soupier. Especially if Fribs has bad teeth, that might help.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Would drizzling some of the tuna water from a can a tuna fish over the renal food help? It would make it stinky without there being much substance there to counteract the special food.

Flying Mouse
Flying Mouse
6 years ago

Poor Fribbs. I hope zir stay at the doctor is calm and uneventful.

Holy cats, what is up with GWW? As best I could see, all she had to back up all of her beloved stereotypes were a couple of random websites, a screencap of a targeted advertisement, and, my personal favorite, a scene from Robocop. Oh, and she pulled a bunch of stuff from The Atlantic comment section to show how bigoted feminists are. The only actual articles she linked were from Psychology Today (not a scholarly publication, last time I checked) and the University of Michigan Law School website, which she said up front might be a dead link (it was live, and was actually interesting). Peer reviewed journals and hard news stories, what’s that? And I thought she was supposed to be their shining beacon of intellectualism.

Thanks for posting the bulletin from the Feminist High Council, brooked.

We have been so successful at acting in complete secrecy that only AVFM and some intrepid teens on reddit have learned of our Radical Feminist plans for global male gendercide.

Thank goodness! I was worried that Operation Weather Control might be compromised. I knew that I was a fool to be concerned, the Matriarchs always have things under control.

Also I’m on stand-by in case we need to evacuate Agent Futrelle to the solid-gold bunker under Whole Foods. Special Operative FM awaits the orders of the gynocracy.