MRA “philosopher” Stefan Molyneux: “If you don’t have a husband … to keep the child is abusive.”

Misogyny Theater takes another look at the charming philosopher-king-asshole Stefan Molyneux, who seems to be carving out quite a spot for himself in the world of the lady-haters.

In this episode, some audio excerpts from Stefan Molyneux’s frighteningly well-received talk ostensibly on circumcision at A Voice for Men’s June 2014 conference, as presented in his video “Shocking Misogynist Attacks Feminism, Defends Rape Culture.” Despite the ironic title, this is pretty much an accurate description of his talk, even a bit of an understatement.

The title of my video is a shortened version of something he says in his talk (and in my video). The full quote: “If you don’t have a husband, if you chose the wrong guy, to keep the child is abusive, almost always.”

That’s right: according to Stefan M., being a single mother is, in itself, abusive.

The audio excerpts are drawn from an hour-long talk, so naturally I did some editing. In the interests of transparency, I marked each edit with a little snipping sound.

If you just can’t get enough of this guy, see my previous Molyneux video for more exciting women-blaming.

Scissors sounds and weird background noises courtesy of FreeSFX.

About David Futrelle

I run the blog We Hunted the Mammoth, which tracks (and mocks) online misogyny. My writing has appeared in a wide variety of places, including Salon,, the Washington Post, the New York Times Book Review and Money magazine. I like cats.

Posted on July 7, 2014, in a voice for men, a woman is always to blame, antifeminism, bad boys, beta males, crackpottery, evil single moms, grandiosity, mansplaining, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, Stefan Molyneux and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 186 Comments.

  1. kittehserf MOD

    ::snaps fingers:: That’s right, it was jared! I didn’t read zir posts, they were eye-glazing.

  2. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    @Falconer : Re: Aussie wildlife — I understand some Aussie crocs can climb trees, and shark researchers discovered that a nine-foot Great White that they tagged got et … because the tag washed ashore (pretty sure it was a bigger shark).

    Well, fuck. I’m heading over there for Christmas, and now I have to worry about man-eating crocs climbing trees to get to me?

    Not that I’m likely to be climbing Aussie trees…

  3. See, when I find a spider in the bathroom,mi prefer it to be “smash with TP and flush” sized. Not spread over the seat like I’m gonna have to wait while the spider does it’s business!

  4. You’re most welcome, FM.

    CVC has been setting off some misgivings for me, too. Especially the lack of acknowledgment about ableist language and a general disregard of the comments policy and suggestions, reminders by many people.

    Jared did interact with other commenters, though, despite the wall-o-text style.

    CVC seems to be commenting in a vacuum, solely focused on the OP, though zir comments are often so difficult to parse out on an initial read, due to the lack of block quotes or other demarcation, I don’t give them a second try.

  5. Flying Mouse

    You’re right, piratejennie. jared was much more interactive and actually seemed to consider what everyone else said, positive or negative. jared, if you’re lurking, I’m sorry I lumped you in with The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule; the no-blockquotes thing threw me for a moment.

    CVC will jump in on an off-topic conversation if zie has anything to add, but zie usually drops right back out again if anyone disagrees with zir. As pallygirl said a page back, CVC doesn’t really seem consistent from thread to thread. The only things that stay somewhat-solid are mean comments about people’s appearances and speculation about MRA’s personal lives.

  6. kittehserf MOD

    Well at least some of those spider pics were photoshopped! :D Spiders don’t actually grow toilet-seat-sized.

    Best way I know to get a huntsman out of the house? A broom. They can be persuaded to get on the end and it’s not too hard to get ’em out the door then. Mind you this takes plenty of planning – there has to be a clear run to an open door arranged first!

    Which parts of Oz are you visiting, Phoenicians?

  7. All of Molyneux’s ideas seem typical of somebody with very little real life experience. His philosophy would have appealed to me a great deal when I was like 15. Of course, I’ve since learned it’s a lot more complicated than “statistics say it’s a good idea to do this; thus, everyone who doesn’t do it is a terrible person who is ruining our society”.
    For the record, I was raised by a single mother and am about as violent as a ham sandwich.

  8. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    @kittehserf: Which parts of Oz are you visiting, Phoenicians?

    Spending Xmas week with the wife’s rellies in Sydney. I also have a mother who lives in Brisbane and, uh, my father lived in Melb- I’m really going to have to rethink my over-the-top nationalistic antipathy for Aussies, aren’t I?

  9. kittehserf MOD

    LOL you are indeed! Though when one looks at some of our politicians that seems a pretty fair attitude.

    So, you’re visiting all the spider zones … at least here in Melbourne it’s just the huntsmen you need to watch out for, not the funnelwebs, which are the really nasty ones afaik.

  10. FWIW, I think everyone has the right to use blockquotes or not use them, as they see fit.

    But I also skip over the comments of people who don’t use blockquotes.

  11. @Adam:

    For the record, I was raised by a single mother and am about as violent as a ham sandwich.

    With or without bacteria that cause food-borne illness?

  12. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    @Adam – you’d kill singers like Momma Cass?

  13. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    @kittehserf; LOL you are indeed! Though when one looks at some of our politicians that seems a pretty fair attitude.

    Actually, being a Kiwi, it’s written into our constitution. Right there in the Bill Of Rights Act between “Freedom of Speech” and “Freedom of Religion”, “The right to loudly and dramatically hate Aussies shall not be abridged,”

  14. kittehserf MOD

    katz – I’m stressing using blockquotes as a courtesy to other commenters, and common sense – if they want ’em read, and not skipped (as you and I and probably plenty of others do), they’ll use them.

    It’s also inadvertently proving an interesting little test. So far, non-trolls ask how to use them, while trolls or those of dubious, not-answering, could-be troll status either ignore the request or complain.

  15. kittehserf MOD

    PS even if not blockquotes, something clearer than quotation marks is needed. Italics work well – I think LBT favours that method (though it’s just ‘cos he refuses to pay the blockquote mammoth its dues!)

  16. Back at Typepad, there was an italics monster that put the blockquote monster to shame. If you didn’t close an italics tag, it carried over past the end of the comment and put the entire remainder of the page in italics, sidebars and everything.

    And no, putting an extra close tag in a subsequent comment didn’t work.

  17. kittehserf MOD

    I’ve seen that! Whole blog pages ruined, RUINED I say.

    I just hope the blockquote mammoth isn’t reading this.

  18. Back at Typepad, there was an italics monster …

    Oh the horror!

    If I recall correctly – aaaages ago – WP had the same wondrous gremlin at a couple of climate battle blogs.

  19. The blockquotes monster and the italics monster are two of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.



    The apocalpse is misandry!

  20. Policy of Madness

    Humm. I know how to use blockquotes. I just didn’t think it was important. Obvs it is.

    Allow me to experiment a moment.

  21. Policy of Madness — depends how long the quote and post are, if you’rw doing one line quotes and only a couple, don’t bother tempting the monster. When you start risking TL;DR status and it’s half quotes…yeah, break it up a bit please. Like kitteh said, it’s a curtesy, not a requirement, please don’t feel you HAVE TO use them :)

    I just woke up, so maybe I totally misread you, I’m which case I have milano cookies, would you like one?

  22. kittehserf MOD

    ::points up::

    What Argenti said. It’s about clarity, really.

  23. @Phoenician in a time of Romans

    If she ate me, potentially.

  24. Also if you don’t blockquote, it’s easy for people to think you’re saying the thing you’re quoting, which leads to unhappy misunderstandings.

  25. Are quotation marks ok?

  26. thebewilderness

    So this guy just got busted faking a glowing response to himself on the youtube. Sock puppet fail in a very big way.

  27. kittehserf MOD

    Skye – it’s too easy to miss quotation marks, imo. That’s what Vegan Chartreuse was doing and it was still almost unreadable. D’you know how to do italics? They work better’n quotes, I think.

  28. I can try

    D’you know how to do italics? They work better’n quotes, I think.

    I’m usually on my phone here and it has it’s own ideas about copy/paste (& scrolling)

  29. Yay! :)

  30. kittehserf MOD

    Yay, success! ::applause::

    Phones are evil, I swear, when it comes to posting comments.

    Has anyone tried separating a quote by putting a line of symbols above and below it? Like:

    comment comment comment



    comment comment comment

    or something. Might be easier if html is a pain/inaccessible. Just something that clearly separates it from one’s own comment, is all. Quote marks don’t tend to work too well for that, especially in long posts, imo.


    The same guy, posing as a woman to praise his own video. He forgot to switch accounts. Epic fail. Hilarity ensues.


    The same guy, posing as a woman to praise his own video. He forgot to switch accounts. Epic fail. Hilarity ensues.

    Oh wow. Classic. I don’t want to think that people actually do this, but…

  33. I’m mixed on blockquotes (as evidenced by my not always using them).

    What I do want is some indica of quotation: a referent, itals, quotation marks, something.

    I have to confess that I started skimming CVC very shortly after zir arrival; shallow and pointless was all I got from the text.

  34. @pecunium

    Offhand I don’t exactly remember how you format your posts, but they’re always easy to follow while CVC’s big one was confusing as hell.

  35. I tend to use Itals for generic quotations, and blockquotes for things I wish to address with special emphasis.

  36. The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule

    “The room were silent because if a baby is completely ignored when it cries day after day, the infant will finally give up and become withdrawn.”

    CIO (cry it out)/Ferber Method, anyone?

    Has anyone else here seen that old film of infants fervently rocking themselves from side to side in attempt at “self soothing”? Some sort of human experiment was done on them. Some “scientist” wanted to see “what happens to babies when they are withheld human touch”.


  37. The Chartreuse Vegan Capsule


    Well maybe they read my comment about it here.
    Happy to be of service in exposing these quacks!
    I hope awareness about it spreads.

    There’s another “libertarian” out there who wrote “if you like what you read on my blog, you should be paying me.” Never mind that he’s an upper middle class real estate agent and hardly anyone at all reads his blog. There’s like 4 comments on the entire thing!

    He fancies refers to himself as a “televangelist” because he does some Youtube vids (though hardly anyone watches those either) and though he’s an atheist who is trying to create what he calls “The Church of Self Adoration”.

    I kind of feel sorry for the guy because he so much wants to be recognized and listened to but its just not happening. He’s on other people’s sites BEGGING them to set up a forum for him to speak to huge crowds. What?

    It appears to me that some of these Randians took to “rational self-interest” out of necessity because nobody else showed interest in them.

  38. BTW, MRA here:

    I’m NOT happy AT ALL that Stefan Molyneux is trying to become a “voice” in the Movement. He’s pulled shit like this before, an example of which I will give below:

    I’m what’s known as a Paulbot (AKA a Ron Paul supporter and someone who supports Rand Paul for President in 2016). From about 2008/2009-2012/2013ish, Steffy (I won’t even give him the honor of calling him Mr. Molyneux or Stefan) tried to become a primary “voice” for the liberty movement. Of course, considering some of his extremist views on certain issues (that are not MRM-related), I and many of my fellow liberty movement brothers and sisters were NOT pleased, and I think people like him, Adam Kokesh, and Alex Jones have impeded at least 5 years’ worth of progress the liberty movement could have made.

    Although he still does talk about libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism from time to time, it seems the men’s movement is his current “obsession.” I’m sure in about 2 years, he’ll dump the men’s rights movement for something else.

    For Paul/Dean/Karen/et al. to embrace him, IMO, was a HUGE mistake on their part.

  39. emilygoddess - MOD

    That’s nice, dear.

  40. I’m glad you understand that Molyneux is an idiot. I hope you also realize sometime soon that being a Paulbot (or any kind of libertarian capitalist, for that matter) is also really dumb.

  41. Sorry to jump in so late, but does this dude also think widowed mothers are abusive? Especially those who were widowed before their child was even born? Because that happens, and it could be argued that they “chose the wrong man” — after all, the dude died!

  42. That’s nice, dear. Hopefully you will outgrow being a Paulbot. That’s no way to go through life.

  43. The Pauls are both opposed to abortion rights. Ron voted for the Patriot act. Rand has supported the use of drones domestically to catch petty criminals.

    So much liberty and small government there!

    Nobody is stupider than a Paul fanboy.

  44. Jeffrey McIntyre

    Read the site for a long time, first time leaving a comment. I commented on the youtube page and was called a mangina after one short exchange (Futrelle really wasn’t kidding). I felt like it was a badge of honor and about time I started just commenting here.

    I actually have an axe to grind with Moly. Being an MRA is bad enough, but he also actively encourages people privately to cut themselves off from any non AnCap friends and family (defooing he calls it). My friend defoo’ed and it tore her family apart. Luckily she came back, and is the first to tell you Moly is running a cult. I’m close with’s QuestEon, and he set the website up with the thin chance that victims of his “therapy” may read it and possibly reconnect with their families. Moly is more than an MRA and a misogynist. He’s a dangerous narcissistic monster. Anyone interested really ought to check out his website, as it’s a thorough as you can get about Moly.

  45. Wow!!! The amount of fallacy, nonsense, lack of critical thinking and, of course, putting words in other people’s mouths on this thread is appaling and comic at the same time. You guys have managed to drop the standards even lower than that of YOUTUBE COMMENTS. I don’t know if I pity you or if I puke.

  46. Wow talk about misinformation……I had a lot of male teachers growing up, all of my physical education teachers except for 1 were male. ( The woman was freshman year in which sex ed takes place and boys and girls are separated for that)All of my history teachers from all 12 years were male…. All except 1 of my math teachers were male, my biology teacher was male, my sociology/ psychology teacher was male.all other science classes I had were taught by males……shop classes are taught by males…….he doesn’t even know the proper ratio of male/ female teachers….There’;s no way it’s 99% female

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