One Last Damn AVFM Conference Update: Man With a Camera Edition

It wasn't this guy.

It wasn’t this guy.

One last AVFM Conference update, with links to two more stories about that historic event.

The first, a gently skeptical Washington Post story by Monica Hesse titled, with a certain irony, “Men’s rights activists, gathering to discuss all the ways society has done them wrong.”

The whole thing is worth reading. My favorite bit:

One presenter, a military veteran speaking on the treatment of veterans returning from war, put up a PowerPoint slide alleging that 70 percent of men returning from war get divorced, and 90 percent do so within five years. When asked about the source of this statistic, he said, “That particular statistic is from my personal observations. I’m just speaking here as a dude.”

Ah, the prestigious Journal of Statistical Dudeness!

The second, well, it’s a bit more disturbing. DarkHorseSwore – a regular in the AgainstMensRights subreddit who raised money to go to Detroit to cover the convention only to be turned away at the door – managed to finally get an audience with some of the conference attendees and organizers – after the convention, as they celebrated at a bar and then in a hotel lobby. She got this access because none of them knew who she was. (Eventually Dean Esmay showed up and had her escorted off the premises.)

Now DarkHorseSwore has set up a website – – and has started posting about the strange 5 ½ hours she spent amongst the AVFMers. She tells the tale of a strange encounter with one of the Honey Badgers and then an even stranger tale of an even stranger encounter with an old man and his camera. You’ll have to go read it. Be warned: It’s creepy as hell.

Oh, and she picked up some amazing conference swag as well. And by “amazing” I mean “possibly the worst conference swag I’ve ever seen, I mean, what the hell, and also why are they all beige?”

A wooden necklace thing, symbolizing who the hell knows what!

A wooden necklace thingy, symbolizing who the hell knows what!

A "What Would Honey Badgers Do?" button!

A “What Would Honey Badgers Do?” button!

And last but not least, a Shrink for Men chapstick! It's minty!

And last but not least, a Shrink 4 Men chapstick! It’s minty!

About David Futrelle

I run the blog We Hunted the Mammoth, which tracks (and mocks) online misogyny. My writing has appeared in a wide variety of places, including Salon,, the Washington Post, the New York Times Book Review and Money magazine. I like cats.

Posted on July 1, 2014, in a voice for men, antifeminism, antifeminist women, creepy, Dean Esmay, divorce, evil wives, FemRAs, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, sexual harassment and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 225 Comments.

  1. Chowderhead: the military movie not starring Jake Gyllenhaal.

  2. cassandrakitty

    @ pallygirl

    I think you may need to start by explaining quantitative vs qualitative and why they’re not the same thing to our new friend here.

    (I’m not even a math person, really, and whenever they try to talk stats it send me into “what is this shit?” mode, so I can’t even imagine how frustrating it must be for people who deal with stats for a living.)

  3. Quantity vs quality: lots of MRAs, zero quality among the lot of ’em.

  4. cassandrakitty

    I’m sure that women who’re better at math than most men existing is misandry, somehow.

  5. @cassandra: someone who can’t tell qualitative from quantitative research – and how to deal with the results – shouldn’t be running their mouth off about how their own “research” is so much better. :)

    Re stats. My perspective on this is that, in quantitative research, statistics provide the ending to the story. There should always be a descriptive narrative around them. If a person cannot provide the descriptive narrative, in plain English, they don’t understand the statistics they are using. That does not, of course, prevent people like ridiculousness here having a clear narrative and fudging numbers to match it. The name for that is scientific fraud.

  6. cassandrakitty

    Also, the answer to the question “ok, can you explain what these stats mean?” is not “they mean that I’m right and you’re wrong, so fuck feminism!”.

  7. I need feminism and I don’t need feminism


    Thread winner!

  8. @cassandra, truth, as that would be like having Hansel and Gretel as the narrative up to the ending, and then the story finishes as Orwell’s 1984. :)

    @katz yay, I win a thread. :)

  9. Jens Knudsen (Sili)

    a regular in the AgainstMensRights subreddit who raised money to go to Detroit to cover the convention only to be turned away at the door – managed to finally get an audience with some of the conference attendees and organizers

    ‘s only fair.

    After all we did drive out Vacula from the Dublin Empowering Women Through Skepticism conference with torches and pitchforks.

    (Comment may contain lies and misinformation.)

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