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AVFM Conference Open Thread: One journalist says he was molested; another was called “whore” by AVFM PR rep

The capacity crowd at the conference; from Metrotimes.

The capacity crowd at the press conference at the AVFM conference; from Metrotimes.

If anyone feels compelled to discuss the AVFM conference, do it here.

I’ll post links to any articles and blog posts and interesting tweets and pretty much anything of note I see about it; if you run across any, feel free to post them in the comments and I can add them to the post.

Here’s the live audio stream for the conference, which is off the air. And the video stream, which isn’t working at the moment. Apparently they’ve packed up for the day. (Friday, that is.)

There was no protest, as the organizers of the earlier protest called for a boycott

The official twitter hashtag is #icmi14. For some wonderful Janet Bloomfield PR professionalism, see @JudgyBitch1 and @icmi14.

Highlights so far:

A Detroit MetroTimes reporter says he was literally molested at the conference:

An older man came up to me and immediately complimented my hairy arms (a first). He then started telling me all this crazy shit about how he was from California and he makes movies and he wants to take me to Malibu. Regardless of sexual orientation, it was pretty weird. People started filling up the seats around us and I didn’t want to make a scene, so I just politely accepted the compliment and tried to deflect. The dude kept petting my arms.

It was at this point that I realized this is the kind of creepy shit women deal with … everywhere … every day. A part of me wondered if the feminists had planted this guy to hit on rape-apologizing MRAs to teach them a lesson about “rape culture.” If that is the case: well-played. Unfortunately I think I was just dealing with a garden-variety creep.

HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISM! On Twitter, several others said they’d also had, er, encounters with this guy.

Here’s Janet Bloomfield’s response:

Sworebytheprecious, despite donating the cost of a ticket to charity, has not been let into the conference, despite assurances from Dean Esmay that she would be. Here’s her twitter feed, and her explanation of what happened on Reddit.

i put on my nice heels, a dress, and did my hair and makeup. the lyft was called and i arrived promptly at 3. my breath tight, i introduced myself to the police and to security. inside was a small table, two chairs, a man and a woman. i noticed a small vaporizer on the desk. we used the same tank.

i introduced myself by first name and last name, not knowing if Esmay had put my name down. last i heard i was not allowed on the premises even with a ticket and a video declaring me welcome. no matter who i was reporting for, but it doesn’t hurt to ask. if anything else i wanted to make myself available to the MRA. im still here.

a very large, gruff man appeared and quickly asked me to leave. his bass carried. he looked like Esmay. i asked why i should leave, was cut off, and he repeated himself in a louder voice still. i thanked everyone for their time and exited the building. i took one single photo as proof i was there, and quietly left. the cops followed me out and seemed curiously bemused by my presence. i wondered who they expected.

Janet Bloomfield had this to say about Swore’s treatment:

https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482599155986997249

https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482608296222662657

https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/482608815758528514

Follow the links to Twitter to see even more from JB along those lines.

I will post more as I find it.

UPDATE 1:

AnimalNewYork.com has a report with a number of quotes from last night’s press conference. The reporter also quotes a St. Clair Shores police officer saying that no specific threats have been made against the conference.

By the time yesterday’s planned 3pm “press conference” got going 25 minutes late, there were only about 30 people in the audience, most (but not all) white middle-aged men. A handful of them were reporters. The rest were true believers in a “War on Men.” There was a disco ball in the center of the hall, draped with white paper streamers.

“Point the camera that way and that way only,” said one of the three security guards armed with superfluous walkie talkies, reprimanding someone taking video footage of the attendees, which was prohibited. The organizers introduced the speakers at great lengths, taking pride in their various appearances on Fox News. A Voice For Men founder and conference organizer Paul Elam stated that the cop cars parked outside were there because of more death threats. ”I’m getting tired of the death threats,” shouted a staff member.

Outside, I spoke to St. Clair Shores Officer David Burmeister about the alleged death threats. He said that no specific threats have been made at all. The cops were contracted to be there by A Voice For Men. It appeared that they weren’t there to protect them from specific and imminent danger, but to give the illusion of it.

Hmm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted on June 27, 2014, in a voice for men, antifeminism, antifeminist women, creepy, drama kings, gross incompetence, judgybitch, lying liars, men who should not ever be with men ever, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, sexual harassment, whores and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 256 Comments.

  1. Thats more of a concrete threat than anything they’ve blamed the feminists for.
    the day the legal system slams down on them cant come soon enough

  2. WatermelonSugar

    @Auntie
    I am not kidding. At all. I wish I was.

    She also said, on Agent Orange and Radfemhub:

    Janet Bloomfield:
    “Yes, we exposed their identities.”

    Like seriously. Seriously. That is how they closed out an otherwise pretty mild panel session. By admitting to doxxing and telling radical feminists to be afraid.

  3. If it makes anyone feel better, while this conference is going on World Pride is continuing on in my city (big parade tomorrow!) and the conferences and events that have been happening, and the associations and organizations and artists and everyone involved, have done more good for men (and will continue to do more good for men) than the MRM could even fathom. And they’ve done it without hating anyone else.

  4. That is how they closed out an otherwise pretty mild panel session. By admitting to doxxing and telling radical feminists to be afraid.

    Kee-rist.

    Keep on being open and honest about what it is you’re really about, MRM. Let the sun shine in.

  5. @WatermelonSugar

    It’s frustrating that there’s no permanent record of the speeches or panel discussion we can point to as evidence. The only hope is that it’s reported in the media and I won’t hold my breath on JB’s comment making it.

  6. WatermelonSugar

    The YouTube link is still up and active. I don’t have the ability to record it. Does anyone else here? I can write down a transcript but that is about all.

    I hope there were still press people there.

  7. @Tracy
    “Let the sun shine in.”

    Now I cant help myself imagining these ghouls vanishing in a puff of ashes like in the good old fashion vampire flicks. Anybody noticed if the blinds were down in the conference room?

    Ahyhoo, you’re all tougher than me, I could not stomach more than 5 minutes of the live stream.

  8. WatermelonSugar

    Here’s the exact quote:

    JANET BLOOMFIELD: I want to address the elephant in the room. I think we need to talk about the complete immorality and unacceptability of doxxing radical Islamics who say they’re going to fly planes into buildings and put pressure cookers at marathons ‘cause they’re just kidding.

    [laughter, applause]

    I had the very great please of reading through Agent Oange’s files that he collected from the RadFem Hub and just from memory, he said—he collected screen caps of things like “Men should be killed, their carcasses flayed and boiled for glue. They should be stabbed. They should be shot. They should be aborted at birth. We should consider developing a virus to exterminate them. Perhaps we can keep them in cages, just maintain 10% of the population as sperm donors.” Yes, we exposed their identity. I think you need to be held accountable when you engage in hate speech like that. What do we need to happen before it becomes ok to reveal the identities of hate mongers? Yes, we doxx people. And yes, radical feminists should be afraid. If you are going to go into chat forums and advocate for the extermination of half of humanity, you’re going to answer for it.

    [applause]

  9. Oh, I meant the nbc article, not the splc one.

  10. RE: magnesium

    John Lennon is known to have been physically abusive towards both of his wives (and he admitted it)

    Really? D: Source?

    RE: Tigerbos

    the ‘creeper’ just naturally assumed since this was mostly a man’s group who has a notorious reputation for hating women that he thought it was attended by gay men?

    I don’t equate ‘misogynist’ with ‘gay,’ but you know, that’s just me.

    RE: damselindetech

    Fucking do something useful!

    Well, there’s your problem right there. You’re expecting them to DO something. Something USEFUL, even! How entitled of you.

    RE: Woody

    It’s a testament to the conference’s professionalism that the issue was dealt with through proper channels.

    I knew I could count on you, Woody.

  11. Not sure how they went about the doxing, some can be legal, but some definitely not. Just them admitting to it deserves a criminal investigation, imo. Anyhow, its still a good pr day for us and a bad one for them in Twitterland :D : http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%23icmi14&q2=%23kitten&via=Topsy

  12. See, I created this really adorable thank you gift for your guys with the help of my photographer sister. It was a handful of cutesy funny pictures of me bathing in the veritable bounty that was delivered to me by dustedeste on behalf of the Mammotheers. It was a ridiculous, over-the-top, silly photoshoot. My hair and makeup were done 50’s-style and I wore stockings and heels and a halter dress with with a big circle skirt. A couple were me in a bra and huge cotton floral underpants sitting with my care package, looking surprised by the camera and trying to protect my modesty. Two were nude with me using various items from the care package to censor parts of my body. They’re hilarious and cute. They’re not remotely sexual but they’re a little bit sexy on my terms within my comfort zone. We had a lot of fun. The plan was create a public photo album and share it with everyone for a laugh as a thank you.

    But I won’t be doing that because, as JB has made clear, as a poster here, I’m a target of harassment and abuse by AVfM. They can’t do anything to harm my education or career because I haven’t actually done anything wrong. The vast majority of the people AVfM targets haven’t though and I’d just rather not have to deal with their bullshit soooooo gotta keep my identity under wraps.

  13. MarineRachel,
    At least it sounds like you had fun doing the shoot! That’s what counts.

  14. At least the shoot was fun! Cutesy funny pictures to remind yourself that people care are always a good thing, even if the only one who ever looks at them is you and the photo-sis.

    And, yep, me also coward; I’m fine sharing info with people I trust, and I’m fine sharing my proxy email that’s disconnected from everything but WP, but I’d never post my info where someone like JB, Undies, or anyone MRA could see it.

    I don’t want to put up with their harassment. I don’t believe that any of my former employers or any of the people who know me would believe half their claims, for even a second. But why the heck would I want to open them (and myself) up to receiving threats, tons of junk emails, insults, and general awful?

  15. @LBT — avid lennon fan here. i read an autobiography by his first wife, cynthia lennon where she did say that john was abusive, extremely jealous and did hit her on occasion.

    i have also seen interviews where he admitted as much himself. check out old interviews of dick cavett interviewing john and yoko, i think you will find it there. he clearly realized he had a problem, worked on it and came through to the other side. i think the cavett show where he performed ‘woman is the nigger of the world’ touched on these issues. (also a note to MRAs — anyone who would write and perform that song, is clearly not on your side.)

    it is also well known that the household arrangement with yoko attending to business matters because she was better at it and john attending to child/home matters was a deliberate choice. lennon had clearly abandoned his elder son, julian, and was determined to not repeat that mistake. there is also interviews (perhaps the playboy article that came out in dec. 80, the month he died?) where yoko had said that carrying the baby for 9 months was her job, but that she expected john to take care of the rest. clearly the arrangement worked for the whole family.

    now, i did not know lennon, although i have friends who did, i find farrel’s assertions to be absurd. at the very least, the story has migrated and been embellished over the years.

  16. @Isabelle
    The info in Dox can be legally obtained a lot of the time
    however the things they do with that info are significantly less likely to be legal (UNDERSTATEMENT)

  17. pallygir: when you said con, this is what I thought of:

  18. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    Erin Pizzey: As the feminists organized themselves, and they are extremely highly-organized, they moved into every… they feminized the judiciary, they feminized all the service agencies, schools, universities, and now we see 40 years of wreckage above us.

    That honestly sounds like the narration to a Sci-Fi horror movie.

    If I recall correctly, it starred Sandra Bullock as a cop of that feminized dystopia, Sylvester Stallone as a cop time-travelling via suspended animation and Wesley Snipes as a particularly camp mass murdering lunatic.

  19. @pecunium — excellent analogy! :D

    @david — i have a comment in moderation in which i quoted a very specific song title of john lennon’s. the title contains what is otherwise considered a racial slur, but it is not used as such in the title. it is a word that i never use myself, unless i am specifically quoting another and make that distinction clear. when quoting, i tend to not alter the word or use asterisks etc. to ‘disguise’ it. the comment was directed to LBT and i would be grateful if you were able to take a look at the moderation queue. if you feel the need to alter the specific word in question, please do so.

  20. RE: fauxmy

    I know the song you’re talking about. Engh.

  21. cassandrakitty

    @ marinerachel

    Yeah, whenever anyone posts images of themselves here I’m always fighting the urge to jump in and go “um, are you sure that’s a good idea?”. I really don’t think it’s a good idea. I get the desire to share things with a community that people enjoy being part of, but it would be wise to always remember that some very bad people are reading too.

  22. Phoenician in a time of Romans

    @House Mouse Queen: Elam said the creepy guy touched the back of his hair and then said, snappily referring to the Detroit metro article, ‘I didn’t consider him a MOLESTER!’ He was just a man that needed some attention.

    “And then he took me out into the parking lot and ripped my short off by force, but I was probably asking for it by wearing my shorts too tight…”

  23. All the AVfM fanboys and fangirls really do fall in line on Twitter, hurling accusations of “quote-mining”, “satire”, “out of context” and “gendercide” without any examples other than the ridiculous Agent Orange AVfM piece. I’m impressed that David can find the will to continue to argue with nitwits who have no argument, especially when their nonsense is positively headachy.

    My fave moment of today:

    Nostradormouse @Nostra_Dormouse
    @DavidFutrelle @evilfeminist the context of elams distaste for you is your constant abuse and lies. You disgust me and I’m much more Zen
    10:13pm – 28 Jun 14

    Spoiler: He’s not much more zen.

  24. I won’t even post picture of my cats, especially since I have no idea how internet security works.

  25. @brooked
    Pics can be tricky because of the exif data. You can use this site if you want to post pics more safely: http://www.verexif.com/en/

  26. @Isabelle
    Thanks, I’ll check it out.

  27. I’ve got a new post up on the conference today.

    marinerachel, glad that you enjoyed the care package, and the photo shoot, sorry you can’t post the pics. These people truly are awful.

  28. The worry with photos is actually a “reverse image search”. it’s pretty easy to strip exif data (all things considered) once you know what/where it is.

    But if there are tagged images of you, which link to your name Tin-Eye, or Google can (more often than not) find them if people ask them to.

  29. It doesn’t boggle my mind that they apparently consider RadFemHub as somehow representative of mainstream feminism, as if it was Ms Magazine’s online presence. But that they peddle that malarkey in public without being laughed out of countenance – THAT is boggling.

  30. These people go so far beyond awful. I literally cannot share my identity for fear of unprovoked harassment by these people. Neither can anyone else here. How fucked up is that? It would be perfectly reasonable if I were assaulting men and not being held accountable for it. I’m not though. I’m a target of abuse and harassment because I post on this blog. I wouldn’t do that to someone who posted on Stormfront unless I knew for a matter of fact they were presently guilty of perpetrating crimes and not being dealt with by authorities. I spent over a year being emotionally abused by an insecure manchild and I haven’t sent any of the discussion logs to his mom or his school or work yet I’m in fear of exposing my identity lest I be harassed for just existing and thinking MRAs, AVfM in particular, are fucking disgusting.

    I’ll figure out some other thank you gift for you guys.

  31. Cassandrakitty summarizes the conference in:

    Meanwhile, that is the saddest turnout I’ve ever seen for an event that was promising to subsidize tickets. Maybe they should have added some ponies to the banner in the hope that random bronies might wander in to see what was up.

    Now I imagine Paul Elam complaining afterwards: “When I told the attendants to pony up, I did not mean cosplay.”

  32. Now I imagine Paul Elam complaining afterwards: “When I told the attendants to pony up, I did not mean cosplay.”

    XD

  33. I’ll figure out some other thank you gift for you guys.

    I can’t speak for everyone else, but if you enjoyed the package and the photoshoot, that’s enough thanks for me :)

  34. pecunium: thanks for the song, I’ve been having a bad night with having to see the doctor tomorrow about the cancer meaning that I am losing myself in Civ 5 into the small hours to try to mentally escape.

    Songs are appreciated, particularly ones that I don’t know. I’m not that familiar with Evita as I haven’t seen the musical.

  35. Re the photo, a few of us have shared email addresses so it it works that way instead of posting. You’ll still need to trust us, but I think a number of us have your email address now. :)

  36. We…what? Skinning men and turning them into glue?!

    Please don’t kill me! I can produce small amounts of glue on a sustainable basis!

    …I think I just grossed myself out.

    The current speaker (on paternity fraud) is discussing … something about an undefined Evil Empire, which makes me think of Darth Vader

    “Look, I’m NOT your father!!!”

  37. Remember when Facebook groups had officers, and people who were listed as such would give themselves custom titles? That’s what I think of whenever we talk about JB as “PR head” or any of the other titles they give themselves at AVfM. Just ’cause you call yourself “News Director” doesn’t mean you know what you’re doing.

  38. Overall, I’l a little disappointed. I was really hoping this conference would be lulzier. I mean yeah, the disappointing turnout and seeing all that money spent on nothing really schadens my freude, but I was hoping for a little more drama. Oh well, I guess I have next week’s “mission accomplished” posts to look forward to, when they go and proclaim what a great success it all was.

    Elam should be investigated by the irs or the government at this point with all his money.

    David posted a few months ago that unpaid state taxes had or would cost Elam his nonprofit status in Texas, but I don’t know the current status of that.

    Why does it not surprise me that they’re going after Hilary Clinton? I knew the high probability that she’ll be our next president would start bringing the misogynists out of the woodwork the same way the Obama presidency has brought racism from simmering to boiling (mixed metaphor, don’t care).

    Or rather, continue bringing the misogynists out. They were definitely simmering merrily away during the primaries last time around, and there has been grumbling since she was First Lady (probably because she never hid her own ambitions).

    the ‘creeper’ just naturally assumed since this was mostly a man’s group who has a notorious reputation for hating women that he thought it was attended by gay men?

    What the fuck is this comment?

    Elam said the creepy guy touched the back of his hair and then said, snappily referring to the Detroit metro article, ‘I didn’t consider him a MOLESTER!’ He was just a man that needed some attention.

    Did you read the SPLC article? Apparently Elam teared up when he announced that he’d booted the guy.

    the title contains what is otherwise considered a racial slur, but it is not used as such in the title….when quoting, i tend to not alter the word or use asterisks etc. to ‘disguise’ it.

    I know some black women who would have a real problem with this. It’s definitely still a slur, regardless of Ono’s intent or the fact that you’re just quoting.

  39. Would it almost always be best to replace one or more vowels within a slur with ‘*’, including in direct quotations? Or maybe replace it with something like [slur redacted]?

  40. If nothing else, it makes sense to censor the slur to keep the post from going into moderation. There’s debate on whether or not it’s appropriate to quote or censor slurs. Some people don’t want to see them printed in full or hear them ever. Some people find that pointless because everyone already knows what the slur is anyway. I’m in the latter group. At least when it comes to misogynist slurs. It’s not my place to decide what’s appropriate when it comes to slurs that I’m not the target of.

  41. Would it almost always be best to replace one or more vowels within a slur with ‘*’,

    And that’s something i wonder about too. If you feel that it is necessary to quote a slur (eg because you want to make a point about somebody’s use of the slur), what is the point in replacing vowels with asterisks, when it is obvious what is meant?

    If OTOH it’s no need to quote the slur to make the point, [racial slur redacted] i think will do fine.

  42. Now I imagine Paul Elam complaining afterwards: “When I told the attendants to pony up, I did not mean cosplay.”

    LMFAO!

  43. Argenti Aertheri

    “I’ll figure out some other thank you gift for you guys.”

    Well, I’m glad you enjoyed your photoshoot! If you really want to send pics though, take some of the plushies holding signs?

    Emilygoddess — yep, her title is about as serious as when I was co-president // strange but satisfying (company! Not sex! Get your minds out of the gutter!)

    Slurs — if nothing else, going for * is probably best because of the mod filter. I can see the argument about always doing it, but in this context, the mere practical issues make the argument for themselves I think.

  44. Argenti Aertheri

    Totally stole WWTH’s wording, sorry about that!

  45. @WWTH and Argenti

    That makes sense; thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.

    If you feel that it is necessary to quote a slur … what is the point in replacing vowels with asterisks, when it is obvious what is meant?

    I have no idea what the point would be–I was merely inquiring as to community preferences.

  46. Please don’t kill me! I can produce small amounts of glue on a sustainable basis!

    …I think I just grossed myself out.

    EEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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