Creepy comment of the day: If men can’t get “the steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl,” naturally they’ll start shooting people.
Banana slug: A better role model for horny humans than bonobos?
Sometimes I hunt the misogyny, sometimes it wanders up right up to me and says hello.
Today’s post is an example of the latter. Below, a slightly edited comment that someone left for me this morning. It’s a response to a post of mine about a dreadful post on Return of Kings in which a fellow calling himself Billy Chubbs argued, with absolutely no evidence, that a recent high school shooter was driven to murder because of his “probable sexual frustration,” Chubbs went on to argue that young women are “selfish” because they don’t have sex with guys they’re not attracted to.
Anyway, my new commenter – posting under the name “whogoesthere?” – thinks that I and the other commenters here were being too hard on Chubbs’ “very good argument.” And so he deposited this giant rant, which in many ways is even scarier than Chubbs’ original.
He’s a tad verbose, so I’ve trimmed out some stuff that isn’t relevant to his general, er, thesis. And I’ve also taken the liberty of adding a few paragraph breaks and bolding a few of the best (i.e. worst) bits.
When men don’t get the women they want they turn to violence.
Not a good start here, because this just isn’t true. In this case, the phrase “not all men” is, for once, appropriate. Most men don’t get violent when they’re turned down.
This is established all over the animal kingdom and offers a good example about how it applies to humans, that snotty girls who keep their sexual treasures to all but a few males cause the remaining males to snap. …
Animals do all sorts of things that humans don’t do, and we can’t always learn from their behavior or assume that it relates to our own lives.
Or maybe the Evo Psych crew is just looking at the wrong animals. When banana slugs can’t find a partner to have sex with, they simply fertilize themselves. There’s a lesson here, I think, for the angry incels of the world: you can’t always get what you want, and when you can’t, sex with yourself is better than murder.
High school is a massively sexually charged winner take all environment. … Today’s high school is basically an ongoing audition for a porno video and the guys and girls who don’t make the cut can only sit at home and masturbate.
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It’s demeaning and hits a major blow to a person’s sexual identity to not be invited to frolic with the beautiful people.
Somehow most people, regardless of gender, manage to survive even if they’re not frolicking with Charlize Theron and/or Channing Tatum.
I’m sorry but almost no men go on wild shooting rampages if they have a beautiful female in their keep.
In their keep?! Also, no. Charles Manson was surrounded by beautiful young women. Yet he orchestrated multiple grisly murders.
The only guys that do so are bank robbers and thieves, generally guys at a later stage of life more fixated on money.
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Human beings naturally assess the amount of sex going around them and judge themselves in relationship to the amount and type of sex others are getting.
You know, you can’t actually tell how much and what kind of sex someone is having just by looking at them. Yes, there will always be people in the world having more sex with you. And some of these people are having sex with people you would probably like to have sex with. There are also people who are smarter than you, funnier than you, who can play chess or kickbox better than you, who have hundreds or thousands of times more money than you do.
That’s life. Life isn’t fair.
This makes sense because from a reproductive standpoint sex is coveted, and sex with beautiful thin, young women are the most coveted. Being the first to spoil these young women sexually is viewed reproductively as a guarantee of parentage, thus this is why males instinctively covet and burn with passion for these females.
Ah, yes, it was only a matter of time until the creepy pedo-justifying Evo Psych assfacts made their appearance. Not all men “burn with passion” in their pants for virginal high school girls.
This is why we have “morality” which is in its essence is a promise not to flaunt or indulge in sex moreso than the lowest man or woman in your tribe. This is what is meant when people say “morality went out the window.” They mean someone with more sexual prowess is openly indulging in sex and broadcasting it to stimulate the jealousy of the underclasses.
I’m pretty sure that’s not what people mean when they say “morality went out the window.”
This teen killed people cause he thought that beautiful girls were out of reach. The high school environment merely rubbed it in his face. Yes drugs to treat ADD might’ve eroded many of the impulse control functions in the teen, but the rage against the high school was still the gasoline.
[citation needed]
He might’ve had a picture or two taken with a girl next to him, but oftentimes those high school girls lie and simply eat up the male’s offerings without granting sexual access, but grant it to a random stud.
How dare young women choose who to have sex with, and who not to!
I’m not saying the girl he killed deserved it, it’s only that when you are in that frame of mind you cannot tell who is having more sex than others and you simply fill in the gaps with rage.
Wait, so if she had turned him down he would have been justified in killing her?
The beautiful girl simply represented everything that the teen couldn’t get. The steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.
Yeah, I think you’re confusing high school with porn again. His rampage lasted roughly a minute and a half. He shot her because she was there.
All the other theories posted on this site seem comical, self-righteous and weirdly off-point. It’s like you’re assessing the situation as an asexual senior citizen or righteous prude.
Not a lot of “prudes” here. Just people who find the “women need to have sex with ‘nice guys’ or these ‘nice gys’ will kill you all” to be a somewhat problematic argument.
Generally men want sex with young thin beauties who validate their existence.
Some men do. But most men, among those who are sexually attracted to women, aren’t as neurotically fixated on this small slice of the female demographic – women in their teens and early twenties who are somehow both virginal and sexually “wild” – as manosphere men seem to be. And most people don’t base their entire self-worth on whether or not they’re having sex with beautiful people.
Some men prefer women older than them. Some like women who are fat. Plenty of men don’t fixate on a particular physical type and are attracted to all sorts of different women. Believe it or not, whogoesthere, there are lots of men who are more interested in what’s in a woman’s head than they are in whether or not she matches up with some particular checklist of physical attributes.
If society removes all of the social pathways to attaining such a beauty, such as making prostitution illegal, increasing shame for men who seek sex, rewarding females and males called manginas who identify and mock the sex seekers and so on… this will lead to depression in men and all of the behaviors surrounding it, including shootings. Sounds pretty much like a logical line of reasoning to me.
And that’s the problem. It’s not actually a logical line of reasoning at all. It’s more like a sort of blackmail.
Men don’t kill women because they can’t have “the steady love and wild sex of a valuable young girl.” Sometimes men kill women because they feel entitled to have sex with these “valuable young girls” and become bitter and enraged when they can’t find a “valuable young girl” who agrees with them on this particular point.
It’s not the lack of “sexual access” that’s the problem. It’s the notion that your desire for “sexual access” means more than the right of that person to say “no.” It’s the notion that society has done you wrong because you can’t (at least at the moment) get laid. It’s the idea that your desire to have sex with a particular kind of woman somehow trumps the right of other people to live.
I mean, what the fucking fuck.
Oh, by the way, there’s no evidence that the shooter in question – Karl Halverson Pierson – was motivated by sexual frustration. His intended target was the school librarian, who is also the school’s debate coach. Pierson was obsessed with debate, and had some sort of grudge against the coach.
Posted on June 22, 2014, in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. 2,219 Comments.
Unfreeland:
“People like you simply can not fathom what it’s like to be unattractive. I’m polite and am told I’m funny all day long by women, and they are not attracted to me, nor would I expect them to be”
‘Nobody understands me!!! BAAAW!!!’
Bitch, please. Most people know what it’s like to be average or unattractive looking. I think almost everyone has crushed on someone who didn’t return their feelings at some point in their life.
Amazingly, not all people are as obssesed with looks as you are.
And no, you’re not polite or nice. In this very thread you bragged about fucking women you treated like shit. You’re just another “Nice Guy”.
“I merely wished to present a my point if view, which I feel is relatively unique.”
Yeah, you’re such a special Little snowflake. Why do you think blogs like this one exist?
MildlyMagnificent: “Joy, laughter, playfulness, the pure silliness of people who are sexually involved, infatuated even, with each other seems entirely foreign to these clowns. ”
The problem with Nice Guys like Unfreeland, I think, is that they dislike women in general. Even if they manage to hook up with a woman they’re attracted to, their misogyny is stil going to taint the relationship.
Much like Woody and unfreeland here :P
I think the thought process goes:
1) I am not getting female attention
2) Men with money/looks are getting female attention
therefore
3) Female attention is dependent on money/looks.
[insert man's name here] is getting female attention, therefore
4) He must automatically have looks/money.
It’s not even that logical. It’s:
1) Everyone but me sucks
2) I deserve female attention as a reward for being the guy who doesn’t suck
3) I am not getting female attention
4) Women must be too shallow/stupid/awful to appreciate me and prefer guys who suck
(insert man’s name here) is getting female attention, therefore
4) He sucks
5) Women suck for liking him
6) Everyone but me sucks
And around and around in an eternal circle.
Unfreeland does not want a real or meaning relationship with a real woman. He lives in fantasy, he has this idea that his reality should match up to this fntasy world and fantasy woman he has created. He wants to be Link and use the Triforce to save Princess Zelda from that “douchebag” Boss at the end. He wants to play out this fantasy script but the real world is not a video game. It is complicated and messy most of the time, there is no Triforce, there is no Zelda and there is not way in hell he can be Link.
Unfreeland,
You’re using women to get a high from being associated with their good looks and calling that a relationship. That’s not respect or admiration. That’s how I feel about a wearing pretty shoes. You are literally treating women as an accessory that boosts your self esteem momentarily. I understand that feeling as I will teeter around in cruel shoes because I like the way they go with my outfit. Yes, with the right accessories and foundation garments I feel ten feet tall and bullet proof. Isn’t that silly? Here’s the thing, the only person I’m hurting with my silliness is me. I’m not using another person as a prop to make me feel better about me.
Women can tell when a man thinks of them as a thing. We know that if you could afford an expensive car to validate yourself, that’s what you’d go after instead of our attention. When you are needy and trying to hide your neediness and bitterness by being awful, it shows.
Meanwhile, you have co-opted the PUA bullshit as a way to make yourself feel better about being shallow and not as popular as you’d like to be.
What are you, like 22? Because you sound like you’ve barely existed puberty and think Judd Apatow movies = reality.
Sometimes people are lonely. Beautiful people can be lonely. Wealthy people can be lonely. Smart people can be lonely. Charming and gregarious people can be lonely. If the biggest problem in your life is that you can’t get enough women who look a way that makes you feel better about you to touch your weenis, you don’t have problems.
…and yes, your comment about poor ethnic neighborhoods was racist as hell.
Here’s the good news: You don’t have to be an asshole. You don;t have to blame your behavior on the lie that “women only like jerks”. You can extract your head from your ass and start doing things to actually make you a better person so that you do not need vicarious validation. Go volunteer. Get a hobby. Further your education. Travel. A great way to feel interesting is to be interesting. Stop trying to use women to do for you what you should do for yourself.
Then maybe you can start fucking people because it’s fun, instead of because it momentarily makes you feel less sorry for yourself.
I merely wished to present a my point if view, which I feel is relatively unique.
Yes, “women are all stupid shallow gold-diggers who love jerks, which is the only possible explanation for why I don’t have a date” is a really difficult sentiment to find on the Internet. Thank you for opening my mind to a whole new world of intellectual insight.
It’s just that Beautiful people, being free to pursue beautiful people, rarely develop fetishes like that. Why would they need to?
Er… a) that’s not the way fetishes work or why they develop, and b) if being attracted to people who aren’t millionaire supermodels is a “fetish,” I’m kinkier than I thought.
Also, quoting Woody Allen is gross. Almost as gross as “quality women.”
I want to add that not all women have the spidey senses to avoid abusers and that even when we do, abusers can be very good at masking their true intentions. Also, some people have never been in a non-abusive relationship or grew up thinking abuse was normal and that men are only mean and possessive because they care. Most people are not perfectly healthy and together or confident. Some people have been groomed since childhood to accept abuse. Yes, you can exploit that in those people. You can become the next user and abuser in the line of users and abusers. You can convince them it’s their fault you treat them like dirt or that you are better than them and they are lucky to have any attention at all.
You can also walk around kicking puppies and pushing children into traffic, if you want to be the lowest piece of garbage you can be. Maybe it will even make you feel momentarily powerful or give you a sick rush. That won’t make it right.
How do I determine if I’m a quality woman? Would my owner be able to take me into the shop to have some if my parts upgraded, if he wants to raise my quality?
@undefreeland
Describing people’s attraction to one another as a fetish because it doesn’t fall into your narrow perimeters of those who are “quality” and those how aren’t is just gross.
I know I’m late to the game but I have a personal story about that moment when you know you’re going to click with someone.
I had been casually talking to, flirting with someone for a few weeks and was comfortable enough to invite him into my house so I could pick up my coat before we walked down to a local bar to meet friends.
While I was getting my coat my cat walked into the living room and started investigating him so I asked if he wanted to meet her. He said sure and I picked her up so he could pet her and she could more comfortably check him out.
He pet her a few times and then asked how old she was, when I answered that she was 15 he blurted out, “Oh, that means she’s going to die soon!” then immediately looked horrified, turned bright red, and slapped his hand over his mouth. For the few seconds I hesitated before I told him that cats can live over 20 years and she was very healthy I thought he might cry.
His reaction was so nakedly human and charming that all the other little things that attracted me to him just gelled and I knew that I wanted to keep seeing him and get more serious about it.
He later told me that he was already very interested in me and thought he had blown it with that one comment.
I wouldn’t add this otherwise but given the content of some of the previous comments, what the hell. He was ten years younger than me, more conventionally attractive, and at the time I was recovering from surgery that prevented me from rigorous exercise so I was at the heaviest weight of my life (so far). I was also working a shit job that I hated while waiting to get into grad school and desperately poor. He was also actively being pursued by a woman younger than him and more conventionally attractive than me, but with whom he had little in common.
I cannot tell you how much I hate using the terminology I just did (conventionally attractive) or that I brought our ages or my weight into the conversation, as if they mattered between us. I just wanted to add to the chorus of voices in this thread trying to pound the notion into some very thick skulls that attraction is not some zero sum game with rigidly defined criteria.
*snort*
BTW, most fetishes develop in early childhood and liking to fuck people you find attractive is not a fetish.
*parameters
Ugh, thanks autocorrect.
I have a fetish for men who see me as a person rather than an ego-boosting device that also gives blowjobs. It’s really weird, I know, but I just can’t seem to get over it.
In case our thick friend doesn’t get my point: the mental and emotional foundation of adult fetishes are laid well before we are old enough to know if we are going to be “beautiful” or not.
Meanwhile, writing off the obvious fact that people’s tastes in partners vary widely as “some people have fetishes” is just fucking stupid. I get it, you want to blame your unhappiness and bad behavior on others. That’s a very human thing to want to do. Personal responsibility is hard. Hard isn’t impossible though. You just need to get a grip on yourself and be a grown up. It sucks, I know. I hate having to kick my own ass when I need it too. But, it isn’t anybody else’s responsibility to manage my attitudes and behaviors.
I share your fetish, cassandrakitty. I have this fetishistic desire for my date be curious what I’m thinking, rather than what everybody else is thinking, when we go out. It must be easier for the Beautiful People, who don’t have these weird proclivities.
Oh also I have a fetish for men who actually listen to the words that are coming out of my mouth and incorporate them into their worldview, rather than telling me how I feel. Bizarre, right? And let’s not even get started on my totally wacky fetishistic preference for men who aren’t rapists.
If only I was a supermodel I wouldn’t have all these strange fetishes.
I should point out that technically you can’t have a fetish for a person. A fetish refers to an inanimate object. You can a shoe fetish or a diaper fetish but being attracted to fat people, skinny people or older people or younger people or whoever else is absolutely not a fetish. It’s just an attraction.
@piratejennie, what a sweet story. I feel a little bad for people who seem to be incapable of having beautiful experiences like this, because they’ve reduced everything to some sort of weird “hotness” competition.
The notion that a man would want a beautiful woman only for showing her off is so absurd. And I’m the one peddling in stereotypes?
The best month of my life was when I was with an extremely beautiful woman who adored me. Despite her exquisite proportions and adorable face, she was quite reclusive due to a heavy work load getting her phD in biology and a generally stange demeanor. We rarely hung out outside of her apartment. I don’t think any of my male friends ever even met her. I didn’t need the validation of others to find her presence and her attention intoxicating.
It stood on sharp contrast to a previous relationship to an average to below average women who ended up leaving me for a taller, better looking guy with killer aloof game who I’d previously thought was a good friend of mine. Despite the previous woman being far more engaging and us having much more in common and dating for two years, I never experienced the level of bliss with her as i did with that PhD student.
Being with a truly beautiful woman is great. Not for social validation. It’s great because every time you look at them, you’re blown away. It’s because sex with someone who can turn you on fully clothed, just being there, is unbelievable.
Isn’t it interesting how undfreeland can just dismiss the fact that many, many people who aren’t “beautiful people” manage to have fun and rewarding sex/relationships.
undfreeland, dude, really didn’t need that update from your boner. And you do know that what you, personally, find attractive is not a universal, right? And what the fuck is your point, anymore? You’re just whining at this point.
racnad: You’ve yet to prove that men who are douchebag assholes have more sex than men who aren’t douchebag assholes. A single mugshot that people liked on Facebook? That’s not proof.
Notice racnad didn’t respond to anyone who called him out on his Nice Guy ™ assholery.
Attractive people are great. But your obsession with conventionally beautiful women is fucking pathetic and dehumanizing, and you don’t care because you’re a selfish prick. The best part is that the joke is on you: you’re miserable if the best month of your life was with a woman who didn’t engage you or have anything in common with you.
Here, Undfreeland, have some sympathy.
Which is fair enough, when you realize that what turns people on varies from person to person and does not always include physical traits. But that wasn’t your point, was it?
I dream of the man who will tell strangers of my exquisite proportions! When boyfriend gets home I’m going to tell him to ready his tape measure and his twitter account.
@Fnoicby
Thanks :) I remember that day more vividly than when we were introduced.
And seconding sparky. No one wants to hear about your bliss, undfreeland.
And your anecdotes are starting to show some holes as your arguments get weaker and more repetitive.
Read back through more thoroughly and want to offer a very happy anniversary to LBT and Mac. Hiking sounds like a lovely way to spend the day with your sweetie.
Note to self: must pencil in date to abandon short, sexy, funny, adoring husband for tall guy who acts like he hates me. That way I can free husband up for his true life’s happiness: a short-lived but passionate affair with a classic beauty with whom he has nothing in common and who will not be seen in with him in public. Will get double points for this action, as I will also be engaging in that fabled exercise, female hypergamy.
Why is unfreedland still assuming that things that make his boner happy are the same things that make other boners happy?
I’m assuming the biology student dumped his sorry ass. Probably because he viewed her as a Barbie doll with a pulse.
I still have to see him acknowledge that women have worthwhile traits beyond physical appearance. That last comment just made my skin crawl.
‘Average’. ‘Below average’. ‘Better looking’. Why are you so insistent about ranking and rating and comparing and assigning everyone to a PERMANENT IMMOVABLE SPOT ON THE ATTRACTIVENESS SPECTRUM?
She may not have been your cup of tea physically, but obviously the taller, better-looking guy did. So whose assessment prevails, here? See how it doesn’t make sense to rank people on some kind of immutable hotness scale?
Please stop talking like this. Seriously. She didn’t leave you because this guy had “game”. She left you because it was obvious all you wanted was to feed your addiction to eye candy, and she got bored with that.
I mean, everyone appreciates beauty (defined differently by everybody), but on the relationship pie chart, sexytimes constitute, what, maybe 5% of the day? 10%? It doesn’t make logical sense to obsess over that at the expense of the other 90-95% of the day, where you’re having to negotiate who takes out the trash and what movie to watch and which friends to see and who should remember to get more toothpaste and all the other mundanities that go into forging a life together. That’s the whole point of a relationship: relating. Not sitting around gawking at the other person because she haz a pretteh.
Although to be fair, I do sometimes do that to my cat.
I’m not sure if I feel worse for the woman he had some brief affair with who he didn’t care much about on a human level, or the ex-girlfriend that he considered an unsexy consolation prize.
He’s still here? It’s funny how they always believe that if they just repeat the same creepy, misogynistic crap often enough it will blow our minds and win us over to the point of view.
I wonder if after observing the unfortunate victim’s “exquisite proportions” he asked to check her teeth. I mean, that’s what they do with horses, so why not?
In the unlikely event that undfreeland isn’t a lulz troll my money is on the cops someday finding a collection of exquisitely proportioned hacked off female body parts in his freezer.
Holes in my argument? I’m the one who just blew the lid of the your whole “men only want hot women to show them off bs.
I haven’t addressed the anecdotes about what women here find attractive in men because everything they have said fell well within the range of conventional attraction
Of course relationships grew out of personal compatibility, but initial physical attraction was there and was crucial. Of course specifics are varied. That doesn’t mean that most people can’t be quantified into a general range.
I mean, isn’t one of the complaints amongst ya’ll about Nice Guy dipsticks that they only want to sleep with very attractive women them despite not being attractive themselves? You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that attraction is some vague totally personal thing and then denigrate that particular strain of social retard by saying they aren’t attractive enough. If ya’ll were correct, surely there would be some attractive woman who found them attractive.
As for those trying to refute my claims as if they rest on Evo Psych. Why? I’ve said evo pych is bullshit. Obviously there are some biological factors in attraction as evidenced by the gradually emerging understanding of sexual orientation being determined in the womb, but I have consistently asserted that it is culture and society that gives people the notions of what they find attractive.
Life is a bar fight. You pick up whatever you can use to win. If you’re terribly lonely, you’ll adjust to lower and different expectation for the attractiveness of a mate
I recently dumped a women who was far less attractive than me. I dated her because my current location renders me a sexual non-entity to the majority of women around me. She was enamored with me because I was better looking than her. She would even go on about how I was so good to her, despite the fact that, objectively, I was not. She was blinded by being with someone more attractive than her.
I mean, it’s like ya’ll are blind to the power of physical beauty despite countless tales, historical and fictional of men and women ruining their lives for the affection of an extremely physically attractive person. You act as if it is a thing which does not exist.
@weirdtreehugger- She went away for a research project and never contacted me again. I assume she was only with me because I was convenient to her for a short time. Demanding nothing from her, but providing company and sex while she hurried through some work she had to do.
Proving the truisim: An unattractive man (a notion which refers to more than just not having brad pit looks, for the reductionists amongst you) can fuck an attractive woman, but he can never truly date her.
Actually, I think und is onto something. He seems to view women as a means to an end. He doesn’t want a relationship with a person, he wants somebody beautiful. Nothing else matters.
What kind of woman, beautiful or otherwise, wants to be with someone who only cares what she looks like? A woman who is as shallow, self-absorbed and exploitive as und. So und, you are correct. What do you have to offer a shallow, exploitive person? You’ve indicated you’re not particularly good-looking or wealthy. So the answer is, not much.
That’s where game comes in. Your other option is to find a woman who happens to be beautiful and also has terrible self-esteem / relationship skills, so you can bamboozle her into staying with you. So I believe you have correctly identified situation. More decent people might not want to take advantage of that, but you’ve indicated you are not so encumbered.
Your mistake comes in in believing that you are a good person – in fact, an exceptionally open-minded man – because you acknowledge that women are people and deserve financial autonomy. I bet you are even willing to believe that some black people are smart! Yes, you are obviously a highly evolved individual. Please contact the Dali Lama when you have time.
Or you can acknowledge that you are kind of a terrible person, and you are looking for a similarly terrible or damaged person. And stop feeling so sorry for yourself that women aren’t giving you Hot!!!!! points for stuff like breathing air and not kicking them in the shins. My furniture is more self aware and emotionally mature than you.
For the record, you are talking about lust. Which of course is great and fun. And it lasted a month for you. Even for lust, that’s not very long.
I wish you the best in finding short and unsatisfying relationships with no real intimacy. You deserve them.
Or because he tried to talk about biology.
Alex:
What is a thumb war? I need to know! It sounds like a game Mr K and I should be playing.
1 2 3 4 I declare a thumb war!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumb_war
Thumb war is when you clasp each other hands and try to press down the other person’s thumb. Also known as thumb wrestling.
On a side note, other than women complaining about how all the good men are either married or gay, has undfreeland said how gay and lesbian types fit into this? I need to know if I’m supposed to like hot, aloof abusive womem or hot rich women if I’m going to decide to subscribe to his newsletter.
Oh dear, Tessa, did undfreeland not tell you? Everyone is straight!
I was surprised also.
Buttercup:
And the worst thing it, it’s taking the place that rightfully belongs to the Furrinati.
I’m still trying to figure out if I’m supposed to want to submit to a hot rich alpha when I’m with a man and then become one myself when I’m with a woman.
That is the saddest shit ever.
That’s the best thing that ever happened to you?
You’re projecting your shallow, needy hang ups onto everyone else.
You only liked her for her “well proportioned face” and the feels a person with those particular physical attributes paying attention to you provided. Yes, that’s treating a person as a prop. She could have been any woman with a “well proportioned” face. That’s what you mean by “quality”? Damn, son.
Fuck, you are stupid. You still haven’t got it through your thick skull that people who are not conventionally beautiful feel that way about each other.
I’m not conventionally beautiful, or youthful, or skinny, or any of those things that are supposedly the only “not fetish” territory, but I know damn well my husband gets blown away looking at me, clothed or not.
Everything you type proves over again that you don’t see women as people and that it’s all about your ego and your validation. If it wasn’t, you wouldn’t be harping on about beautiful women and how you have such a sad boner because none of them’s interested in you.
Tip: it’s nothing to do with your looks. It’s because you’re an objectionable little shite.
@all the notcreepy people: thumb wars, thank ‘ee!
“I wish you the best in finding short and unsatisfying relationships with no real intimacy. You deserve them.”
This ^ (assuming the other person is equally deserving)
Cassandrakitty, makes sense to me. Guess you’ll have to get a great job if you want to date a woman and quit if you want to date a man. I wonder how you would explain that work history on a resume. ;)
Tessa, maybe you and your SO can have a thumb war to decide who gets to be the wealthy jerk and who gets to be the pretty arm candy
/snark
@Youllneverguess, I have never blamed women for not finding me attractive. In fact, I have indicated the opposite several times.
As to others referring to non-hetero sexual orientations, as I have said, attraction is greatly influenced by society. The overall liberated attitude towards attraction that most homosexual and bisexual people I have known has always struck me, bisexual and pan-sexual friends being amongst the most open minded even when it approaching heterosexual relationships.
I have to assume this is because media is so hetero-normative, that they simply aren’t effected by the same programming.
“Liberated” means “I’m convinced that they would totally fuck me even though I’m an awful person because I watch too much porn”, right?
We should make this guy into a meme. Anyone have a suitable picture?
Thumb war
And yet you’ve ignored a hundred-odd posts where heterosexual people are talking about how they are attracted to people who don’t fit the media’s notion of who’s attractive and who isn’t.
You’re a self-centred moron, I swear.
Color me shocked as well.
Damn! Shoulda refreshed before posting!
Oh dear, he’s one of those “bisexuals will fuck anything that moves” guys.
The funniest part of that comment for me was that my taste in women is pretty heteronormative, even though I’m not straight. It’s almost like I grew up in the same culture/s that straight people did or something.
(My taste in men isn’t normative in the US, but would be in other parts of the world, so I think we can chalk that up to being Third Culture.)
The fact that he even knows the term “pansexual” is making me lean towards “lulztroll” again.
But, Kittehserf, most of those are posts from women and undfreeland knows he’s much more objective and realistic than we are
Also! Judging by this and other conversations about what we’re into here, I’m pretty sure that I’m probably the most shallow and looks-focused regular commenter, and I ain’t straight. Poor undfreeland, what will he do when he figures out that bi and pan people don’t want his creepy ass any more than straight women do?
I’m particularly attracted to my husband when he wears T-shirts. Is that odd? I mean, T-shirts are completely ordinary. And for that matter he is completely ordinary looking. But they are a good combination.
I… I don’t even know. Thank you?
@ katz
A nicely fitting tshirt shows off a man’s shoulders, chest, and arms better than just about any other garment. Or, um, that would be my reason for preferring to see the mister in tshirts…
unfreeland,
You are not a sociologist, or sexpert. You’re just a shallow guy who thinks the world operates according to your issues. It does not. Yes, claiming that you have to be a jerk or be wealthy and Dirk Squarejaw to get female attention is claiming women are shallow and blaming them for your bad behavior.
Guess what? People who are not model material still turn on their significant others fully clothed. That’s how we get to be naked with other people. First there are clothes and then, there are not because they are in the way. You are free to like what you like and to be as shallow and manipulative as you like. But those are your hang ups, not universal absolutes. Stop blaming the world for your shitty personality. You aren’t the overlooked prize you think you are. You’re a jerk who isn’t terribly clever. You could fix that with some education and viewing other people as something other than an means to an end. Clearly you don’t want to. Cool. Don’t. But stop trying to convince us that you’re anything but too lazy and self centered to do better. It’s not going to work. So, why don’t you run along now? Nobody here is going to validate your sad existence.
Obviously young, obsessed with the attention of women primarily as a source of validation, unshakeably convinced that attraction is a fixed scale, distinctive but unconvincingly natural voice, limited romantic experience, curious interest in arguing with Cassandrasays specifically…
This is a for-the-lols troll familiar with the site.
Actually that’s a good point. If only super hot people turned others on when they were fully clothed, how would enough people end up getting naked together to sustain the population?
Cassandrakitty,
Whaaaat? How could this be? :D
@ unfreeland
We can read what you wrote.
Men who don’t get sex are frustrated and lack ambition. Which you strongly imply is a bad thing.
Women having agency and choices in sexual partners (liberation) and don’t seek partners based on financial security alone. But…
Women still don’t actively seek partners (contradicts the above, btw) and still prefer men who have money (and also contradicts the above) which results in men having to settle for ‘below average’ women… Because of the above. Which taken together implies that women having agency in sexual relationships is a bad thing because only the most attractive or successful men will get lots of sex and cause frustration in other men. But wait! The first part was how lack of sex means no ambition… so which comes first, sex or ambition? Or is it really only attractiveness that matters?
But then,
So the queers get to have all the fun, amirite?
Being attracted to people based on more than physical characteristics, must be cause they’re queer and missed all the social programming. TIL, straight people are emotionless shallow sex bot vending machines.
It’s almost like you make no sense, at all.
@duckbunny
Well, to be fair, I am poking him a lot (because he’s pathetic and I’m mean).
Secret labs expressly for the purpose of breeding average looking people?
Undfreeland have you ever looked at a woman and seen them as a human being with mental attributes? Have you ever seen a woman and considered things about them besides “Would I put my dick in that”? Have you ever looked at a woman as anything besides a blow-up doll? Never in the thread have you ever indicated that you saw a female human being as a co-equal person. You have not refuted charges of misogyny, you have merely reinforced how much you dehumanize women by repeatedly and egregiously dehumanizing women.
Black T-shirts are particularly good for showing off the arms, IMO.
They program in a “don’t fuck undfreeland” code at the factory, that’s why his life is so terrible.
I think that falls under the third law of robotics.
Why would any rational driven over-acheiving independent person want more government?
Because they understand that them as has, gets. Because things like clean water, roads, airports, untainted foods, etc. aren’t things we can prevent with the power of the individual purse.
Because, to quote Adam Smith (you might have heard of him, had some interesting ideas about economics):
and only the power of the gov’t to investigate, and punish, such collusion can prevent it.
Because it is in my interest to see that people aren’t poor, nor that they are left unwell. It’s a positive good, to all, to reduce the level of inequality between the haves and the have nots (though in the short term the haves won’t notice; until the have nots have had enough; then we see France in 1798, or Russia in 1918, or Italy in 1928).
So a rational person is not in favor of “dismantling Gov’t,” or discarding regulation (or enforcement) just because it’s “big gov’t”.
To continue with Mr. Smith’s observations on things related to why we need gov’t:
That, of course, isn’t something “market forces” can correct because:
“As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce.”
undfreeland: In fact, what I frequently observe is feminists distressing over men’s preference for thin women, and then asserting a woman’s right to be attracted to whomever she chooses.
This sentence sums up the enture failure in your resoning.
I don’t know a single feminist who says, “men who like thin women are evil”. What they say is, “men who insist that all women be thin are perpetuating an evil” (note, BTW, the subtle, but important differences in the use of the word evil).
I don’t care what women look like. I do have some preferences for body type. Yes, the present beauty standard is in that spectrum (but over to one side, not near the mid-range of “attractive”).
Guess what… it doesn’t make any difference to me, unless all I’m doing is “standing on the corner, watching all the girls go by” o/” (to quote the song).
So saying, “the cultural beauty standards are unfair” and “People shouldn’t be shamed for whom they choose to partner with/have short term fling/pick up for a weekend of raunchy fun” isn’t at all incompatible with each other.
All that is required for a women to be attractive is a reasonable level of physical fitness.
Got 1: a citation for that and 2: a definition of “physical fitness”. I know some, “fat women” who can run you into the ground, bike rings around you, horse a 500 lb motorcycle off its side, and then run it through a series of chicanes before dropping 900 feet of altitude in a couple of miles of twisting roads, before they go rock-climbing.
By anyone’s standards they are physically fit, but they are also nowhere near, “thin” and would be happy to tell you they are fat.
So I’m calling bullshit on that, “reasonable level of physical fitness” being all that’s needed.
the liberation of women has been a good thing, but to deny that low-status men loose out with feminism is ludicrous.
Citation needed sport. Because I do deny it. Go for the Gusto; prove to me how ludicrous it is.
I am with cassandrakitty on the believably of undfreeland given he can’t even keep his stories straight over a short period of time.
Go away troll, you’re tedious & smarmy.