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Voices of Hatred: A look at the noxious views of six of the speakers at A Voice for Men’s upcoming conference

Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.

If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!

Mike Buchanan has said:

I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …

Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.

Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote

Stefan Molyneux has said:

Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.

And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.

If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …

Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!

Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.

Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.

Erin Pizzey has said:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred

SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.

Karen Straughan has written:

I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.

A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.

He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.

Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.

Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …

When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …

[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.

Paul Elam has said:

In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.

Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men

Paul Elam is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Elam’s quote.

For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.

Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!

 

 

 

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Posted on June 20, 2014, in a voice for men, a woman is always to blame, antifeminism, antifeminist women, erin pizzey, evil women, excusing abuse, FemRAs, GirlWritesWhat, imaginary oppression, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, playing the victim, rape, rape culture, warren farrell and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 869 Comments.

  1. cassandrakitty

    See, everyone likes water sprinklers, even if they’re a raccoon.

    Plus raccoons have thumbs and are probably smarter than our new troll. We should teach them how to type, they’d probably have more interesting things to say about feminism.

  2. The donair I had for dinner was just delicious. Should have eaten it on the beach. Directly so.

  3. hippodameia8527

    And they’d probably have more experience with feminism, too.

  4. -54. Accounting note: She flounced a second time, so all posts after “I will go” count for -4 instead of -2.

  5. Nutella on graham crackers, anyone?

  6. @katz

    …i had her at four flounces? Or do you only count the first two in scoring?

  7. cassandrakitty

    Plus, is she this cute? I don’t think so.

  8. the thing is my experience as a child was that all children all my friends all the other kids we just got along with eachother regardless of gender or any other differences.

    Alright, the excruciatingly endless flounce and the horseshit above press my ‘I call SHENANIGANS’, ‘I suspect TOMFOOLERY’ and ‘That’s a bunch of MALARKEY’ buttons so hard that they broke.

    Seriously, if your 20 years old and American, you may have noticed that the US waged disastrous foreign wars for almost half your life. The country is still reeling from the 2008 financial crisis that plunged this country into an economic depression. How about the environment? All the 20 year olds I know have all sorts of thoughts on these kind of topics and don’t base their world view on happy grade school memories.

  9. I loved the squirrel in the peanut butter jar. So cute. My only questioning thought was “I hope it was unsalted peanut butter”.

  10. about stefan molyneux, has anyone seen his ridiculous “truth” about frozen vid

  11. I said I was wealthy *enough*, not that I was rich, I am just middle, probably the same as a lot of you.. Don’t judge a book by its’ cover so to speak. I don’t live on the beech. I live in a town in England. I have a fairly broad understanding of people and life. mum is a doctor/therapist, dad is a scientist, both married twice, 3 sisters one is a psychologist, 1 brother, 1 half brother with mental illness, 1 half sister recovered from mental illness, I recovered from mental illness, parents owned a cheap bed and breakfast and a nursery for a while, etc, I have met people from all walks of life, I just meant that because I was brought up in private education means I have less experience with certain demogrpahics, but I still have plenty of experience.

  12. Raccoons, got to love them!

  13. Well, except when rabid…

  14. @elizabeth

    I said I was wealthy *enough*, not that I was rich, I am just middle, probably the same as a lot of you..

    Yeah, I was middle class, and trust me we could not afford private school for long. 2 yrs, someone has a hard time finding a job, then broke. I think it’s very hard to afford private school while middle classed.

  15. @saintnick86 “You’ve defended them for a good part of this discussion” – I definitely haven’t

  16. cassandrakitty

    I was brought up in private education means I have less experience with certain demogrpahics

    Here a troll, there a troll, everywhere a troll troll.

  17. Well, I did that wrong.
    Lemme try again.

    https://imgflip.com/i/9q6wa

  18. Eh, I’m still getting a bit of a kick outta this one (mostly the unflouncing at this point), so I don’t mind any continued poking. I’m not personally feeling a need for moderation over this one – it just smells like disingenuity and/or terminal obliviousness with a strong hint of sock… SO FAR – but if anyone else wants to, they’re welcome to it.

    And, I mean, I won’t be here much, if at all, for the next four days, so don’t just keep the chewtoy on my account :P

  19. cassandrakitty

    I would totally pet all of the raccoons that would let me if not for the rabies thing.

  20. Linking before someone else does:

  21. …i had her at four flounces? Or do you only count the first two in scoring?

    You’re probably right; I wasn’t reading very closely. In which case every post is -8.

    Shall we try an easier method of counting?

    1

  22. hippodameia8527

    If there’s anything worse than a sockpuppeting troll, it’s one who bounces.

    Racoons forever!

  23. 2.

    is anyone on the personal thread? I don’t mean to bug, but I really need some advice :(

  24. @saintnick86

    “It’s also incredibly unhelpful, as someone who wants to take part in the discussion, to expect special treatment or to be coddled or catered to despite the detriment to everyone else’s involvement in the discussion.” – where have I said I expect special treatment or to be coddled. I haven’t. I said the term feminism perpetuates arguments and gave an example of the reaction to me on this comment thread..

  25. @Marie – IIRC, England does have a weird thing about everyone who’s not filthy rich IDing as middle class, and also that their differentiation between public & private schools is maybe different than in the US? Not that I don’t think ze smells socky as hell and is probably lying through zir teeth… but yeah.

  26. 3

    Lay it on us, Marie.

  27. cassandrakitty

    It’s the MRA two-dot period! That deserves another video.

    I bet that raccoon would be smart enough to avoid such an obvious tell if we could just teach it how to use its adorable little hands to type.

  28. Marie – I’m not up to date on the personal thread, but you can always hit me up over on Tumblr if you want to chat about anything.

  29. Yes elizabeth, we know that when other people think you aren’t a person and you say you are, it causes an argument.
    That break?
    You gonna take it or just hang out here and continue to be obtuse?
    Because that’s not gonna end in a hug circle.

    Marie, on the way.

  30. My first boyfriend was J. K. Rowling’s neighbour in Edinburgh, to give you an idea of the wealth he was born into. Dad was an exceptionally successful organic chemist and professor thereof. He appropriately identified as middle class. That’s what middle class means in the UK – wealthy. Not wealthy like the royal family but wealthy all the same.

  31. @dustedeste

    I know in US private schools are very expensive, maybe it’s different in england.

    @katz

    thanks. I posted it here unless you’d rather I talk about it here as trol deterent or something?

  32. Here is a raccoon auditioning for the part of Thing.

  33. Cassandra – earlier there was a FOUR period ellipsis! I personally counted it as a double MRA tell :D

  34. @dustedeste

    thanks. You’re kyrosian on tumblr, right?

  35. four (for four flounces!)

  36. Marie, posted in that thread. Can talk via email if you’d prefer.

  37. Yep, you got it, Marie.

  38. i’m not lying dustedeste for the last time

  39. The two dot ellipses! Alert! Alert! We have an MRA!

    There is no bigger tell than the two dot ellipses.

  40. cassandrakitty

    My poncy British private school taught me how to punctuate. Clearly it was too diverse, that must be why. If only I’d gone to school with Elizabeth! No I has a sad that only more raccoons can cure.

  41. Bagelists are nothing but a nasty, aggressive counter-movement, and we won’t even get into the cerealists.

    Cerealist power for ever!

  42. We crumpetists are in hiding.

  43. Elizabeth – That’s exactly what a liar would say!

  44. I have no experience with MRA so I don’t really know much about it.

    yet

    There will be some MRAs who have good intentions so I think it’s unfair on those individuals to generalize too much about MRAs.

  45. WAFFLES 5EVA

    Also crêpes sometimes maybe

  46. it’s also exactly what someone who isn’t lying would say.

  47. @auntie alias

    um, aren’t you *being mean* by quoting her???? How dare you be so mean!!!!! eliza-erin is just standing up for themselves!!!!!!

  48. @Auntie Alias

    The name is MRA. It’s supporting mens rights, which you’d thinik most men would be in favour of, so there is bound to be men with good intentions associating with it. Though i would argue against the idea of MRA just the same as feminism.

  49. Don’t call me a crêper, though, that’d be misflapjackery!

  50. @eliza-erin

    Nice backpeddling.

  51. I can’t do breakfast puns but you all doing breakfast puns are awesome! :D

  52. Marie I don’t have a problem with it. But I don’t think it’s productive for the cause to treat people that way. If you are “mean” to people they won’t generally join your cause. Where as if you are nice to people they will listen at least.

  53. Pfffft I’m middle-class and even in the 60s and 70s, private schools were way beyond my family’s means (didn’t stop my stupid father humiliating my siblings by putting them in unaffordable schools, though).

    Somehow, with my ‘umble state school education, and nary a grammar lesson that I can remember, I came out knowing how to write and punctuate. Methinks “Elizabeth” aka probable sock’s parents should get a refund.

    Hmmm … anyone playing Guess the Sock yet? This “I was totes a feminist” BS is such a standard sock line. Pell, maybe? Blog herpes? They’re both fond of pretending to be women.

  54. cassandrakitty

    I can’t do breakfast in general, at least the American or British versions. It’s the eggs, I’m not a fan.

  55. Lol, if they have good intentions, they don’t call themselves MRAs more than once.

  56. Ok sorry maybe I am slightly above middle class then, my mistake. I don’t consider myself particularly preppy except for lingo maybe. My dad in particular is very down to earth but everyone in family as well.

  57. @Elizabeth

    Where as if you are nice to people they will listen at least.

    ::bitter laughter::

    You are so wrong.

    @kittehs

    I still think it’s erin (obviously)

  58. cassandrakitty

    The “if I say I’m a woman they’ll have to take me seriously” troll disease seems to be spreading lately.

    Oh, sorry, it seems to be..speading….lately..?

  59. We crumpetists are in hiding.

    Closeted crumpetists, or would that be pantry’d crumpetists?

    Marie – I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this is “Erin” back again. Has anyone emailed the Dark Lord yet?

  60. cassandrakitty

    I don’t consider myself particularly preppy except for lingo maybe.

    Pretending to be British is a new addition to the disease.

  61. If you want to get all pedantic about grammer kittehserf then I can punctuate clearly if you would prefer? But language is for communicating. If I get the message across to you then my writing has served it’s function. There’s my equivalent pedantic explanation.

  62. cassandrakitty

    I read that as “panty’d crumpetists” and my mind went all “oo er missus” in honor of the Carry On films of my childhood.

  63. I am British. Half scottish, quarter irish, quarter english, and a smidge of italian.

  64. I’m a pantry’d crumpetist through and through. Although my porridgest ancestry is coming to the fore at the moment.

    Oats what a wonderful morning,
    oats what a wonderful day…

  65. Wonder when David will get here and take away the chewtoy ban the sock.

    What can I say poking trolls feels very fun to me when I feel like shit.

  66. hippodameia8527

    My vote is for Erin too. Nobody’s this clueless for this long.

  67. @Eliza-erin

    egggcellent.

    I’m american. 3/8 greek, 1/8 russian, 1/2 a bunch of countries in western europe I can’t remember.

    why are we sharing?

  68. The name is MRA. It’s supporting mens rights, which you’d thinik most men would be in favour of, so there is bound to be men with good intentions associating with it. Though i would argue against the idea of MRA just the same as feminism.

    But if you know nothing about it, how can you draw these conclusions? You could similarly try to argue that white supremacists are supporting white rights and so most whites would be in favour of that because everyone deserves rights!

  69. cassandrakitty

    Can the oats come with brown sugar and raisins? If so, I’m in. If not I can make congee or laksa.

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