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Voices of Hatred: A look at the noxious views of six of the speakers at A Voice for Men’s upcoming conference

Curious about the views of the people scheduled to speak at A Voice for Men’s “Men’s Issues” conference next week? Here’s a little video guide. CONTENT WARNING: Domestic violence, rape, incest.

If you’d like to have their quotes in writing for future reference, here’s a transcript of the quotes used in the video. I’ve linked to the source of each quote (or to posts of mine that discuss the quotes in greater detail). Enjoy!

Mike Buchanan has said:

I believe girls learn at a young age that whining gets them what they want, especially from over-indulgent parents who might later wonder why their daughters became Entitlement Princesses. Inevitably these girls continue whining into adolescence and adulthood because they continue to get what they want. It’s up to men to break the cycle …

Men living in houses with cellars can put a sign on the cellar door, ‘The Whine Cellar’, and politely direct whining women towards it. In houses without a cellar, the smallest room in the house – or possibly the garden shed – could be designated ‘The Whine Box’.

Mike Buchanan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Mike Buchanan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Buchanan’s quote

Stefan Molyneux has said:

Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race, if we don’t start holding them a-fucking-ccountable. … Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality, sociopathy. Politicians, all the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes.

And I don’t know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes. Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him. Because it works on so many women. If “asshole” wasn’t a great reproductive strategy it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it, they protect it with their bodies. They keep the evil of the species going by continually choosing these guys.

If being an asshole didn’t get women, there would be no assholes left. If women chose nice guys over assholes we would have a glorious and peaceful world in one generation. Women determine the personality traits of the men because women choose who to have sex with, and who to have children with, and who to expose those children to. …

Your dad is who he is fundamentally because your mother was willing to fuck him and have you. Willing and eager to fuck the monster. Stop fucking monsters and we get a great world. Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debt, we get incarcerations … Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil. And then you know what they say? We’re victims!

Stefan Molyneux is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men.

Stefan Molyneux is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Molyneux’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a more complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity, for length, and to remove some repetition.

Erin Pizzey has said:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Erin Pizzey is a scheduled speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Erin Pizzey is a voice of hatred

SOURCE of Pizzey’s quote. NOTE: The text above is a complete version of the slightly truncated quote used in the video, which was edited for clarity.

Karen Straughan has written:

I used to live under a young couple with a baby. I’d listen as she followed him from room to room upstairs, stomping, slamming things, throwing things, screaming. After about an hour, he’d eventually hit her, and everything would go quiet. An hour after that, they’d be out with the baby in the stroller, looking perfectly content with each other.

A man I know who has experience with men in abusive relationships would get his clients to answer a questionnaire. Things like, “after the violence, did you have sex?” “If so, how would you rate the sex?” 100% of men in reciprocally abusive relationships said “yes” to the first, and “scorching” to the second.

He also posited that the much-quoted cycle of violence–the build-up, the explosion, the honeymoon period–correlates with foreplay, orgasm and post-coital bliss.

Erin Pizzey called it “consensual violence”, and said in the main, that was the type she’d see at her shelter. It is also the type that results in the most severe injuries in women, surprise surprise, likely because our “never EVER hit a woman” mentality has those men waiting until they completely lose control of their emotions before giving their women what they’re demanding.

Karen Straughan is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Karen Straughan is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Straughan’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

The worst aspect of dating from the perspective of many men is how dating can feel to a man like robbery by social custom …

Evenings of paying to be rejected can feel like a male version of date rape.

If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal “no” is committing date rape, then a woman who says “no” with her verbal language but “yes” with her body language is committing date fraud. …

We have forgotten that before we began calling this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.

Somehow, women’s romance novels are not titled He Stopped When I Said “No”. They are, though, titled Sweet Savage Love, in which the woman rejects the hand of her gentler lover who saves her from the rapist and marries the man who repeatedly and savagely rapes her. …

It is important that a woman’s “noes” be respected and her “yeses” be respected. And it is also important when her nonverbal “yeses” … conflict with those verbal “noes” that the man not be put in jail for choosing the “yes” over the “no.” He might just be trying to become her fantasy.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote.

Warren Farrell has said:

Incest is like a magnifying glass. In some circumstances it magnifies the beauty of the relationship, and in others it magnifies the trauma. …

When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200, the incest is part of the family’s open, sensual style of life, wherein sex is an outgrowth of warmth and affection. …

[M]illions of people who are now refraining from touching, holding, and … caressing their children, when that is really a part of a caring, loving expression, are repressing the sexuality of a lot of children and themselves. Maybe this needs repressing, and maybe it doesn’t.

Warren Farrell is a speaker at the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit organized by A Voice for Men

Warren Farrell is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Farrell’s quote. I have removed a word that appears in the original interview but that Farrell insists he did not say.

Paul Elam has said:

In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess.

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong.

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers.

Paul Elam is the central organizer of the “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, and the founder of A Voice for Men

Paul Elam is a voice of hatred

SOURCE for Elam’s quote.

For a detailed look at the homophobia of Anne Cools, another speaker at the conference, see here.

Big thanks to everyone who helped with the video!

 

 

 

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Posted on June 20, 2014, in a voice for men, a woman is always to blame, antifeminism, antifeminist women, erin pizzey, evil women, excusing abuse, FemRAs, GirlWritesWhat, imaginary oppression, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, playing the victim, rape, rape culture, warren farrell and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 869 Comments.

  1. contrapangloss thanks for the info interesting

  2. Elizabeth,

    It can be rough. The folks in this section of the web see soo many trolls who start with “Feminism has accomplished it’s purpose and isn’t necessary” and end with rape apologia, abusive language, and other nasties.

    We’ve also had tone trolls, who tell us we should be nicer… and then head down the same route.

    You’ve kind of been posting like them.

    That doesn’t mean you are them, just that you’ve inadvertently mimicked them.

    My best advice is to just take a break for a bit. Seriously. Go pet a dog, read a book, play tetris, watch the Venus project video again, do something else. Try again later. Keep the same nym, because sockpuppeting is a nuisance.

    You’ve got a hole, so stop digging for now. You can start filling it in, later, after your break.

    Then, next time, don’t start off with “I think your movement is unnecessary, and here’s something you should do instead”.

    For some reason, that doesn’t tend to fly well…

  3. Elizabeth,
    If you’re for real, and you really are a woman who thinks that all anger directed at her is somehow her fault and that is genuinely unaware and rushing in to fret about how unfair feminism is and how mean we are with misinformation and good intentions, I’m very sorry that I suspect you of being disingenuous.

    It is possible that you mean well, but just are not familiar with the issues and topics being discussed here.

    Stick around and you’ll see why I’m incredulous. Click some links. Go visit AVfM. Familiarize yourself.

    What ever conclusion you come to, it will be more informed.

  4. Good riddance to bad rubbish (and disingenuous bullshit).

  5. Wait is it Impossibly Thickheaded New Troll Day? Why didn’t any one tell me?

    Elizabeth doesn’t understand the concept of misogyny or oppression in general, but she thinks her dad having his kids taken away is oppression? That’s the first and only example of oppression she recognizes, though she’s completely incapable of explaining why?

    Sorry Folks but…
    I call SHENANIGANS!

    https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4116240128/h35F56A1E/

    I suspect TOMFOOLERY!

    http://s774.photobucket.com/user/thughes3267/media/7834425290.jpg.html

    I humbly suggest that she can’t explain the reason she believes that’s oppression because she’s a MRA and can’t come up with a believable non-MRA reason.
    That;s my opinion.

  6. @Marie:

    “Taking kids away is not being oppressed.” – it was oppression to take the kids away from him, he had done nothing wrong. That;s my opinion.” (me)

    “#1 that’s still not what oppression means, jackass.

    #2 not really taking your word for this hwole thing, seeing as how you arne’t here in good faith.”

    #1 I have explained already that by definition “oppressed = subject to harsh and authoritarian treatment.” – so by definition taking the kids away from the parent is oppression.

    #2 I am here in good faith.

  7. I rate that flounce 4/10, but with deductions, that comes out to an even 0.

  8. Aaand now it’s down to -2.

  9. Sorry for the tl;dr’s everyone. :(

    Brooked, but do you suspect MALARKEY?

  10. @Lea

    “instead of admonishing us to blame ourselves for their rage and kiss up to the people who hate us?” – I am certainly not doing that whatsoever, or at least that’s not my intention at all.

  11. elizabeth.
    Ok. I’m sorry. I’ll start over if that’s OK with you.
    Is that OK?

  12. @Elizabeth

    Wow way to stick to the flounce what was that, 10 miinutes tops, if I’m being charitable and not counting your ‘one last thing’ post.

    #1 I have explained already that by definition “oppressed = subject to harsh and authoritarian treatment.” – so by definition taking the kids away from the parent is oppression.

    …That’s not what it means though. YOu can’t just make up definitions for words and expect everyone to agree with you.

    #2 I am here in good faith.

    Prove it.

  13. @Lea

    “who thinks that all anger directed at her is somehow her fault” – I didn’t mean it’s my fault they are angry, I just meant they are angry because of things, not me, other things.

  14. Or also me, but not just me.

  15. “rushing in to fret about how unfair feminism is” – never said this

  16. What a fucking trainwreck.

  17. that’s ok Lea :)

  18. @contrapangloss

    Yup, that’s a bunch of malarkey!

  19. sorry I came across as a bad intentioned troll

  20. @Marie “…That’s not what it means though. YOu can’t just make up definitions for words and expect everyone to agree with you.” – that’s what it says on google definiton which is generally correct

  21. in my experience

  22. Well elizabeth, the first rule of holes is to stop digging. The second rule when you find yourself in a hole is to figure out how you got there in the first place. Have you been listening to what others are saying? Are you becoming more cognizant of why your approach set off flags, and of what and why people disagreed with what you’ve said?

  23. My initial post was with the best of intentions and now I’ve got caught up in dispute I don’t really have anything left to say now. It was interesting to hear your perspectives and where you are coming from at least.

  24. yes omnicrom I still stand by what I said in the first place though, which is no doubt going to peeve people off unintentionally, but I think to achieve equality you have to get everyone on board

  25. … I don’t really have anything left to say now.

    I don’t really believe you. Not after that glorious failure of a flounce.

  26. @elizabeth

    @Marie “…That’s not what it means though. YOu can’t just make up definitions for words and expect everyone to agree with you.” – that’s what it says on google definiton which is generally correct

    -_- ………

    um not sure what to say to this but whuu??????

    yeah, you’re going to need to do a lot of ‘hole filling’ to get away form that whole ‘men are oppressed cuz some guy I knew had his kids taken away from him.

    or maybe you werent trying to claim it was all men. maybe you *just happened* to be using examples of women who don’t feel oppressed (you and your mother) and *just happened* to be using example of a man who you think has been oppressed, and to make some point about how we totally don’t need feminsm guys.

    or hwatever your fucking shtick is. I can’t tell anymore.

  27. but lets not start that again. More than anything I just had thoughts about the feminist movement and wanted to get them out I guess.

  28. My initial post was with the best of intentions and now I’ve got caught up in dispute I don’t really have anything left to say now. It was interesting to hear your perspectives and where you are coming from at least.

    A second flounce are we sure elizabeth isn’t erin?

  29. Elizabeth
    “fruitloopsie

    “Taking kids away is not being oppressed.” – it was oppression to take the kids away from him, he had done nothing wrong. That;s my opinion.”

    I said that the court chooses what’s best for the child. Sure, he may have not done anything wrong but the court chooses the parent who has done more for the child. Fathers have chances to gain custody or more time for visiting if they just ask.

    I don’t care if it’s your opinion you can’t compare oppression: forbidding women and blacks the right to vote, have education, own property, etc and be treated like property/slaves to losing your kids in custody. That is very extreme.

    Elizabeth
    I was like you I thought being nice to people will change them but it doesn’t always work it just tells them that it’s acceptable and they will keep doing it and there are times you have to step up and call them out for their hateful garbage.

    And yes women are still oppressed not as much as before but we still need feminism. I really don’t want to explain because it will take a long time. So you need to google it or talk to other feminists.

    Here is a site you can look at

    MA’AM men against assholes and misogny

    The men on there talk about what they witness on what women go through and there are other sites too.

    Omnicrom

    I hope you find what you are looking for.

  30. @dustedeste

    “… I don’t really have anything left to say now.” (me)

    I don’t really believe you. Not after that glorious failure of a flounce.”

    I’m literally all done. I don’t know what a flounce is.

  31. @elizabeth

    but lets not start that again. More than anything I just had thoughts about the feminist movement and wanted to get them out I guess.

    then type them up to a word document. don’t spew them on strangers who don’t care.

    also, the flounce? what happened to it?

  32. hippodameia8527

    Elizabeth, just fuck off. Take your delicate feelings and offended sensibilities and go.

  33. ok google definition says “go or move in an exaggeratedly impatient or angry manner.” – i wasn’t leaving in a flounce, actually I felt more like I got my head bitten off, and thought shall I leave it seems to be pointless

  34. @elizabeth

    I’m literally all done. I don’t know what a flounce is.

    it’s when you storm off and say you’re going to leave.

    which you’ve done 3 times by now.

    so please, just leave.

  35. You put your first flounce in,
    You take your first flounce out,
    You put your second flounce in,
    Then you shake it all about…

  36. @hippodameia8527 I don’t have delicate feelings. I will go.

  37. hippodameia8527

    Yes, dear, we can tell that you “don’t know what a flounce is.”

    Go.

  38. I was just responding to comments addressed to me Marie. I haven’t been storming off :P

  39. @elizabeth
    You simply can’t get everyone on board, it’s just not a reasonable goal. Can you give me a historical example of everybody getting on board in order to make positive political or social change in the past? I can’t see how it’s possible or why you think it’s essential.

  40. Marie, I was thinking the same exact thing. If elizabeth’s not Erin trying on a new sock, they’re certainly cut from the same cloth.

    Also, just sayin’, but I really don’t buy it when some rando starts commenting here, usually CLEARLY in bad faith, and then pulls out the whole “Oh but I’ve never even HEEEEAAAAARD of MRAs before!” bull.

    Like, if so, how the fuck did you end up here??

  41. The problem is that you will not get everyone on board. If you need to get everyone to agree with you to bring about a more just and equal society that society will never come. It would be a wonderful world to live in where you could get everyone to agree with a positive social movement, but it isn’t the world I live in. The inveterate MRAs? The people that this blog skewers and mocks and exposes to the sun? They are not interested in equality, and barring something truly drastic and fantastical happening people like Heartiste and Paul Elam and the vast array of Misogynists in the MRM will never get on board.

    Let me pose a question to you elizabeth: Can you name any single social movement that has ever succeeded by being nice and polite? Can you name a single social movement that stood for equality and achieved its ends without rocking the boat? Can you indeed name a single social movement that ever had “everyone on board”? It would be nice if everyone could agree to treat others humanely as equals, but if that were the case there would be no need for a Feminist movement, or indeed any other social justice movement. The fact that they need to exist precludes that the problems they address can be easily solved by getting everyone on board.

  42. hippodameia8527

    Yeah, we know because you’re still here despite having said at least three times that you were going to leave. Fucking leave already.

  43. Elizabeth, the best advice for good faith posters in a pickle is to take a break.

    Do something fun/relaxing.

    Come back and reread in an hour, or a day, or a couple days if you want, to try and track down what set off the mess. Right now, you’re reacting, and we’re reacting right back, and it’s all ugly. Time to cool off is in order.

    If you can figure it out, feel free to apologize after the break, or clarify in a single post.

    Don’t double down after that post. Take another break if things go badly.

    Holes + Digging = More Mess + Deeper Holes

  44. (I saw the link on Yahoo Answers just so you know)

  45. @pallygirl

    You put your first flounce in,
    You take your first flounce out,
    You put your second flounce in,
    Then you shake it all about…

    ::clapping::

    @elizaberin

    @hippodameia8527 I don’t have delicate feelings. I will go.

    4.

    I shall now name this attitude:

    Frequent Flounce Failure .

    (I saw the link on Yahoo Answers just so you know)

    Wow much reliable source very impress.

  46. Indeed. The first rule of holes is to stop digging elizabeth. If you truly are posting in good faith then prove it, stop posting, read more comments, ask questions if you are confused, and stop acting like a tone troll.

  47. cassandrakitty

    Shorter version of the conversation with Elizabeth

    Elizabeth : Hi, I am a woman with very little life experience and even less brains. Let me splain how to do feminism to you.

    Most Mammotheers : LOL

    Elizabeth : I’m going! No really! Last word!

    Y’all are really being way too patient with this one.

  48. Yahoo answers? About what and in what context? And when you arrived in this site did you actually read this site for any length of time before you started to comment? And incidentally would you like the read the 6 quotes from 6 different people that grace the top of this comments section and consider whether they would be amenable to getting on board?

  49. @omnicrom

    “It would be a wonderful world to live in where you could get everyone to agree with a positive social movement, but it isn’t the world I live in.” – the thing is my experience as a child was that all children all my friends all the other kids we just got along with eachother regardless of gender or any other differences. And my upringing was quite lucky that my parents were well enough off to send me to a private school etc so I haven’t experienced the entire demographic of the public I would say. In my upbringing I have experienced everyone getting along really well so it is how I expect things to be I guess. I’ve seen it with my own eyes so I think it’s possible for people to co-operate etc.

  50. A homeless woman tweaking out on meth in front of the pizza place just called me a “filthy nigger cunt”. :/

    I just asked if she wanted me to call EMS. And I’m white.

  51. (people keep asking me questions cassandra and they are interesting questions)

  52. “I learned everything I know about social justice from Google Definitions and Yahoo Answers!”

  53. Elizabeth have you ever considered that you aren’t the world? That what you have experienced may not be the norm? Your understanding of the world may be small and incomplete? You claim to not know what MRAs are, you seem to not understand what feminism is nor where it springs from nor what motivates it nor what it fights against, and you seem to generalize the experiences of your small circle to the entirety of society. Depressingly cassandra appears completely correct, you lack perspective and either the knowledge or the life experiences to understand for what this blog’s commentators strive.

    Again: Have you considered reading the quotes in this very article? These people are inveterate women-haters. Your experiences as a child mean jackshit in these circumstances, as someone born or wealthy parents never had to want for anything don’t presume your charmed life is in any way reflective of reality. It’s always more complicated than that.

  54. Hey David, I used some slurs within a quotation in my last post which I did not modify (maybe should have used *s to obscure the words a little) that appear to have resulted in my post awaiting moderation. I just wanted to apologise. I thought within the context of a quotation it would be OK. I’m sorry.

  55. “@hippodameia8527 I don’t have delicate feelings. I will go.

    4.

    I shall now name this attitude:

    Frequent Flounce Failure .”

    hahaha that was pretty funny :)

  56. I’ll bet elizabeth lives DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH as well.

    Christ on a cracker, this is just pathetic.

  57. Cassandrakitty, you might be right.

    If patience were a bone, I think I’d have just about stress fractured it! Has anyone emailed the Dark Lord for a Troll-Check?

  58. cassandrakitty

    She’s so boring, you guys, why bother?

    Here, everyone who isn’t a tedious asshole, have a squirrel having the best day ever.

  59. @Omnicrom I certainly do not claim to know what MRAs, the only time I’ve mentioned them is to say that I have no experience with them

  60. hippodameia8527

    Yeah, I’m definitely smelling Erin here. I guess one public ass-kicking wasn’t enough.

  61. Dustedeste, wasn’t that Farmer Mikey? (also known as Farmer Joe, who lives right on the beach and has a girlfriend in inshore N. Carolina or something that he was visiting during crop planting season?)

    I need to make a troll database, one of these days…

  62. Marinerachel – It’s probably fine! The moderation filter necessarily catches things that are only quoting offensive things, because it can’t tell the difference. We’ll probably see it come through later. Getting caught in the filter doesn’t *necessarily* mean you done bad :)

  63. cassandrakitty

    Unrelated, but Yahoo Answers always makes me despair for the future of humanity. It makes “how is babby formed” look like a grad school philosophy seminar topic.

  64. Contrapangloss – I don’t recall, I think I wasn’t actually around for the DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH business; probably I was working my job of ill repute, haha. But yeah, it wasn’t Erin at least. I just still find it funny and relevant to trolls that start pulling out generic markers of high status/class stuff.

  65. elizabeth,
    I think you should click around the links provided, do some 101 reading and pause before you deny other people’s lived experiences on a blog dedicated to mocking misogyny.

    The topic of this post was not “Tell us how you think feminism should be done or if you think it’s unfair and played out”. If you know nothing of the MRM, you didn’t even listen to the video above or read any of the posts on this blog.

    I’m sorry your dad was subject to an unfair judgement. Family court is not perfect and though they are not the people most often ill served by family courts, straight cismen do get screwed too. I hope your family is able to be together now, but this isn’t a thread about how your singular experience cancels out everyone else’s. Maybe a feminist blog, that mocks misogyny, in a thread about Men’s Rights speakers claiming that women are asking to be raped and beaten and telling parents that refraining from raping their kids stifles their development wasn’t the right place to bring that up.

    You know who I’ve seen fucked over by courts?
    Abused children. Rape vicitms. Victims of DV.

    When you come here saying that we need to be nicer to the people who want to keep the system routinely fucking them over, you are not going to get a warm welcome.

    So, I’m sorry for doubting your sincerity, but you really should take that comment break now.

  66. @cassandra

    She’s so boring, you guys, why bother?

    poking her, or emailing david? Cuz I’m mostly poking her for fun, though i’ll stop if u guys want me to .

  67. I’m losing patience, Elizabeth. You are starting to make self-contrary claims and it makes many of your arguments suspect. First, you said:

    I have yet to meet anyone discussing feminism on either side of the discussion who is against gender equality.

    Then, after that:

    I have no experience with MRA so I don’t really know much about it.

    So, are you or are you not familiar with the MRA? You’ve defended them for a good part of this discussion and are now saying, perplexingly, that you haven’t met any – right after bringing up both sides. What other “side” was there, against feminism, was it?

    I’m starting to think you are being dishonest.

    Looking at what has happened since I’ve joined onto this comment board for example, I have tried to be good about things, but I think it’s fair to say I’ve been to some extent verbally attacked (not by everyone, but to quite a significant degree, and I’m not saying it’s anyones’ fault), despite the fact that we effectively all want the same thing, so I think you’ll agree that is an example of argumentativeness which was totally avoidable and unhelpful?

    It’s also incredibly unhelpful, as someone who wants to take part in the discussion, to expect special treatment or to be coddled or catered to despite the detriment to everyone else’s involvement in the discussion.

    I spent a good deal of time reading the blog before I started commenting and I still screwed up, but I learned from those mistakes and keep in mind how I post here. I did not continue to argue stubbornly and further alienate the other posts to the point where I may’ve gotten banned.

    This isn’t my blog or your blog, it’s David’s – and it is for those who have interest/involvement in the subjects he posts about.

    well it went from standing up for what you believe in to verbally blitzing me somewhere along the lines…

    See, along with your lack of understanding of what “oppression” is – I don’t think you understand what freedom of speech is either. It’s being able to express what you think, but it also means others have the right to judge what you think as well. You are not “entitled” to have opinions – you are allowed to, and the rules change with the venue. You cannot scream “fire” in a movie theater, you cannot randomly proclaim “I have a bomb” at the airport, and you can’t go onto a site owned and maintained by someone else to give you absolute immunity when it comes to commenting.

  68. THAT SQUIRREL! THE ADORABLE! IT’S OVERLOADED!

    Thanks Cassandrakitty! Have a reciprocal raccoon playing in water

  69. cassandrakitty

    If people are enjoying poking her then go for it, but some people seem to be taking her seriously, which strikes me as a category error. Smells like a sock to me.

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