Dizzy With Success: Paul Elam announces triumphant move of AVFM conference to less convenient venue

Quick, look over there!
So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.
According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”
No, really.
In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference
has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.
While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.
With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.
Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.
In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.
Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.
Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.
It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.
In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”
The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.
Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.
Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.
But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.
The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.
We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.
Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.
And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!
The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.
But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712
She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.
So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”
Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:
You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.
Posted on June 12, 2014, in a voice for men, antifeminism, antifeminist women, doubling down, FemRAs, irony alert, judgybitch, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, self-congratulation, yeah that's the ticket and tagged a voice for men, antifeminism, detroit, doubletree, men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 547 Comments.








I can only imagine that Detroit was chosen so they could ham-handedly (and is there anything they dont ham hand?) blame feminism for detroits problems
That’s funny because it isn’t even true! As a feminist, I believe men are socialized and encouraged by our patriarchal culture to glorify violence and hold misogynist views. I don’t believe they are inherently violent. I expect them not to rape and beat women and start wars because I know they’re capable of being better than that. Because so many men are already better than that. I don’t think my opinion is an uncommon one.
Maybe if Mikey would actually talk to some feminists in good faith and listen to us he would have a better grasp on what we think and believe. The MRM echo chamber is not actually the best place to learn about feminism.
Crappity crap, did I get LBT’s pronoun?
@LBT, I am so sorry. Will do better.
This almost makes me wish I was in the area so I could drop by that VFW at the right time for a good drink and a chance to give the conference organizers an expressive hand gesture. Men aren’t the only ones who’ve served in the military and in our wars and as a woman who’s done both (and is a VFW member) I’ve more right than them to be there.
So @ Mike Buchanan, Paul Elam, et al: When did you serve?
Men, like Detroit, have been screwed over by inequality.
Or feminism if you’re that way inclined.
To clarify
@ Mike and Elam: Where do you get off using deceased servicemen (and servicewomen) as a fucking prop?
Hey Mikey, I think that misusing actual veterans of war as a PR stunt to further your hate speech is extraordinarily disrespectful and disgusting. You are a disgrace to the men and women who have fought and died for your freedom to spout obvious lies and hatred. Please stop desecrating their memory.
Daintydougal,
Who were you quoting about expecting an opening ceremony performed by veterans? I couldn’t tell.
Here’s a good piece on the change of venue – http://motorcitymuckraker.com/blog/2014/06/12/odd-twist-controversial-mens-rights-conference-in-detroit-moves-to-suburban-vfw/
The comments not so much.
It is not “disrespectful” for Mike to defend the honor of men like his father from the character assassinations of feminists.
As for this whole conference thing- you can smell the panicked fear wafting from the #noMRA hashtag. We’re rising, and they know it.
Yes, it takes so much courage to use dead veterans as props for your hateful ideology. So much courage.
Sorry weirwoodtreehugger, it was a comment under elams piece linked to at the top. The author is ‘Gizmo’.
That whole “if women ran the world” thing is not something I’ve personally ever encountered in feminist circles. It’s more something I’ve overheard said in coffee shops or at work. It’s always rubbed me the wrong way, and I don’t know that any of these women would self-identify as “feminists”. It sets up a whole us-vs-them, who is the better gender thing – which is not what feminism is about.
I don’t know if you’ve been reading the same thread that I have, Woody, but no one’s been attacking the honour of veterans here. We’ve all been attacking Mikey for attempting to use veterans as a prop for his bullshit.
Maybe consider reading once in a while? I hear it broadens the mind
Citation needed that feminists are doing this, moron.
Keep telling yourself that. Please try to do it without sounding like a cartoon villain.
Citation needed dumbfuck. Who here is assassinating the character of veterans? I’ve never read any anti-veteran pieces by feminists writers. I don’t see character assassination of veterans by feminists even in internet comment sections. I’m a feminist and I used to for the VAMC as a contractor. So I managed not to call any of them evil violent men or whatever it is you think we do.
Neither of my WWII vet grandfathers were misogynists and they would not want bigots speaking for them and using them as props. So yes, it is disrespectful.
And by the way, you fucking idiot, some veterans are women.
Not in the slightest! And I would recommend, if people have the patience, that they do the same for all instances they feel it is necessary and a recommendable thing.
Honoring the sacrifice of others is a worthwhile endeavor.
Now you tell me how exactly anyone is character assassinating anyone here, and more, what Mikey is defending exactly when he posits that the graveyards of veterans will make a good backdrop for a photograph of protesters or that all women everywhere think that the men who participate in WW2 are terrible brutes.
Come on. It must be possible, right?
Eww, dude, TMI.
But seriously, every time the MRM has in any way exposed themselves to the real world, they’ve been met with bewilderment and disgust at best, but mostly they’ve been ignored. But I suppose that if you can call those instances success, you have a farily loose definition of success to begin with. So… good for you?
So come on, Woody. Where is this character assassination of which you speak? Show us where feminists have assassinated the characters of men like mike’s father. Citation needed or it never happened.
@Woody re: people as props.
When did you serve? And how are feminists attacking the character of men like Mike’s father?
And I’ve been ninja’d so many times. Bows head in shame.
I guess it’s a letter better that it was just a random commenter and not Elam himself. Either way, it’s delusional and disrespectful to expect military honors as a prize for ranting on the internet.
I’ll tell you why they think that cemetery is a great backdrop…out of context, a photo could make it look like feminists are protesting against deceased war veterans. They are just drooling at the idea.
titianblue: Chin up! Woody clearly needs to get message more than once. You know he thinks he’s the smartest thing with typing fingers, and that just isn’t the case.
The point is, Woody, feminists are not doing a character assassination on Mikey’s father. For Mikey to use his dead father, who’s a veteran, as a rhetorical stick to beat feminists with, is appalling.
“Rise of the MRAs” sounds like a bad b-movie horror film.
^ a little better, not letter better. I already had coffee so I don’t know what’s wrong with me!
Since MRAs love to claim credit for military service other men did I’m surprised they haven’t tried to apply for VA benefits yet.
1. Women never die in war – only men
2. lots of feminists are women
3. feminists hate veterans
FLAWLESS LOGIC!
weirwoodtreehugger , your pic reminds me of the video for ‘total eclipse of the heart’. I was wondering why I liked it so much!
weirwoodtreehugger
@Hyena Girl, men like Mike’s father are a prime target for your ilk. They would like to paint them as the ultimate oppressors. They’ll stop at nothing to impung his character and humanity.
Unfortunately it turns out that you all belong to a reactionary ideology whose talking points do nothing but reinforce every kind of oppression out there. You’re all a bunch of racist, sexist, disablist, transmisogynistic and heterosexist shitheads who care about nothing but maintaining all of those systems of privilege. Do you really feel that proud about “rising”?
Prove it, Woody.
You can’t read, can you, shithead? No one is impugning veterans, except for Mikey and his bullshit.
Do you have to get special spectacles to be like woody? Spectacles that magically gloss over the many commentators talking about the veterans in their family, talking with love and pride, glossing over the actual veterans commenting? What an odd thing to do.
Man, we have really shitty trolls these days.
Who the hell organizes a conference without actually checking the rooms for themselves? Or did the Doubletree sneak in at some point since the contract was written and renovate just to spite Mr. Elam?
@Ally S, I know! Some previous trolls were at least entertaining. This one is merely scum.
@Woody:
My ilk? That’s adorable. No Woody dear, I don’t see servicemen as the ultimate oppressors who I’ll stop at nothing to assassinate the character and humanity of. Where did you get a ridiculous idea like that? I’ll have to ask you for a citation.
I’ve worked with soldiers, been friends with them, shared a drink (both at the VFW and in Kuwait/Iraq) most soldiers are no different from anyone else. Except… they deserve better than being used as a prop.
Anyone want to play number ninja?
If so…1
Lol! I see it too now.
It’s Tommen’s cat Ser Pounce from Game of Thrones. Am I bad feminist for using a male cat with a boy human pet for an avatar?
So when Woody declares the MRM to be winning he means in the Charlie Sheen hopped up to his eyeballs on recreational chemicals sense, right?
And it’s ser pounce! Much squee. MUCH.
Seems Woody’s going down the “feminists stole fourty cakes” path.
I mean, nothing about the accusation makes sense, no proof is offered, but gosh darn it to heck, feminists gone and done it!
And just like the sad display Esmay & co. is putting up, they’re just looking for something to accuse feminists of that they know makes people upset, since they know that once they enter the real world, their usual talking points won’t sell. It’s kind of hilarious actually.
“Have you heard feminists want women to get uppity, that is, to be equal with MEN? The nerve! Wait, I mean… uhh… Feminists want to destroy marriage and murder children by working to make women free to make their own life choices and be the ones who make the decisions about their own bodies! Shit, that makes us look bad… let’s see… Feminists want to bring down western civilization by making a woman get equal pay for doing the same job as a man! No, that came out wrong… err… Those horrible feminists demonize male sexuality by wanting to end rape culture! No, wait, that’s not going to paint us in a good light… umm… oh yeah, I got it! They hate veterans! And also something something child pornography! And probably witchcraft!
…No, YOU are not making any sense!”
I would like to respond to Mike’s Public Challenge with one of my own: Mike, I challenge you to swim to Iceland.
Come on, it’s June. The North Atlantic can’t be that cold in freakin june.
Interestingly enough, there are veterans among those protesting the conference :)
I wasn’t here for the good old days of Mega-Trolls in the comments, but it does seem to me that the sort of MRAs commenting here lately are of such a poor quality that they aren’t even worth the time it takes to respond to their tepid stupidity. I think Mikey just needs something to do seeing as his political career isn’t exactly skyrocketing, and he’s probably the sort of person who needs to be constantly acknowledged the way that some sharks need to keep swimming or they’ll die. This probably isn’t the only place he comes to drop his turds of justice.
Makes me think of the Simpson’s Halloween song ‘Just Don’t Look’.
When will the MRAs send a WORTHY champion?
*re-lurk*
MRMs and open-carry gun nuts seem to have the same template (I know, another Cracked article, but this one made me go “where have I seen those behaviours/attitudes before”):
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-to-know-about-armed-men-in-your-local-chipotle/
I fucked up the link on Twitter to Michael Buchanan’s despicable comment about exploiting dead soldiers. Now some dude thinks I made it up and is trying that pseudo-intellectual, “I’m trying to look like I’m fucking with your brain with my super smartz” crap on me.
Anyway, I’m checking if anyone close to me knows someone in charge at the VFA. Elam’s claiming women beg to rape coupled with Buchanan exploiting dead soldiers is something they deserve to know about.
*beg to be raped
David, thank you for your public challenge. My response:
http://j4mb.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/david-futrelles-response-to-our-public-challenge/
Mikey, please. Desperation is a TERRIBLE cologne.
@Mike
So when did you serve?
He said” our public challenge”, so there’s at least two of them being wall flowers together.
Has some internet ruling come out that says anytime person A asks person B to do anything in the comments section of a blog, then that is a public challenge that must be taken seriously by person B and attempted?
I totes missed the email.
I think Woody is Mikey’s lone fan.
Raising of the flag by vets in uniform…
Is it just me, or does this sound like they’re trying to imply government and military support for their nonsensical cause? I’m sure they’ll be able to find individuals who’d be willing (either because they’re unaware of the doublespeak nature of their title or because they actually agree with them (because being a veteran doesn’t automatically make you rational or well informed)), and that’s fine, but it’s pretty deceitful to try that angle. Mind you, I suppose plenty of groups try the flag/patriotism/validity gambit and are still seen as bizarre fringe groups, so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised or bothered by it. I just think it’s a shame when a nation’s flag becomes a symbol of irrationality.
@Woody
How, pray tell, are we assassinating the characters of veterans? Sources, citations, etc. In what way does the honour of any man need defending against feminists?
Points will be deducted for strawmen and deviations from reality, so you might want to take a feminism 101 class before you answer.
Normally, when something’s rising, the smell is from that thing. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes it’s a nice smell, like when it’s a cake that’s rising… but sometimes it’s damp and it doesn’t smell nice at all.
I sure do hope it’s another public challenge.
A lot of women in my family are vets, starting with my grandma who signed up for the WAC and stayed on after WWII ended because she loved the service so much. I have a cousin I’m very close to who was a fighter pilot and went on to work for the Pentagon and NASA. I’m enormously proud of these women. The idea of a bunch of sad little Internet misogynists co-opting their service and sacrifice to shit on their human rights makes me throw up in my mouth.
On the other hand, VFWs are nice. Beer’s usually cheap.
You mean you missed the Triple Dog Dare Act of 2007?
You know, we’ve previously had MRAs in here accusing feminists of being pro-war and wanting to force men to be soldiers because a feminist supported the White Feather campaign back in WWI. Now we’re anti-war and hate men who are soldiers because of secret reasons Mike will only tell us if we go to his blog. And being pro-war and anti-war are both proof that women are evil.
I’m starting to think this game is rigged.
You might be a bad feminist if you used a picture of Joffrey… Tommen seems like a decent enough kid though, if maybe a little naive, and who could deny the adorbz value of a kitty with a knighthood?
If only it were as entertaining and fun as a physical challenge.
sadtrombone. I suck.
I was just worried I wasn’t misandering enough :D
In all seriousness, as a book fan I’m a big fan of Tommen with his love for kitties and hatred of beets.
Oh, I assured you it was a quote, did I? I never really thought of you as bag-of-hammers stupid, but I will have to amend that, I see.
https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/477059943217250304
Dear Mikey, Thank you for abusing the memory of your father. It shows what an pustulent waste you are as well as being a disgusting excuse for a Briton. Do you not remember your mother as fondly and recall what she went through in the war? Perhaps your mother does not matter because she is a woman and beneath your notice?
It seems to have escaped you entirely that all Britons suffered a great deal in WWII – not just the men. It also seems to be beyond your comprehension that, despite the general ban on women serving in positions of danger, where they could be recruited they were and, what is more served with great distinction.
Kevin, thanks for your comments on Futrelle’s public challenge. He’s the gift that keeps on giving, isn’t he? I’m reminded of the old saying, ‘Better to say nothing and have the world think you may be a fool, than say something and have the world know you are’ (I’m sure the original was far more pithy!) The comment stream really wound me up last night, but tonight I’m having a ball. I reply to very few comments addressed to me – usually as ‘Mikey’, while Paul Elam is ‘Pauly’, they’ve yet to come up with the obvious name for someone who’s supporting me tonight, Woody – Woodyy – but a substantial proportion of Futrelle’s groupies are complaining about me providing links to the J4MB website on account of nobody is EVER going to go to the site, while another substantial proportion complain about what they find there haha! The rescheduling of the conference to the VFW facility has REALLY got Futrelle and his groupies rattled. I hope you can make it, it will surely be a hoot… and more importantly, important.
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Over on Pandagon there was a post about self defense, and how often that’s used to avoid talking about rape prevention aimed at stopping men from raping.
There were two very heartbreaking stories in there. One from a woman who was raped and didn’t fight back, and how she was told she had Done It Wrong and it was her fault. One from a woman who was raped and did fight back, and it didn’t work, and she was told she had Done It Wrong and it was all her fault.
(sarah, just paste the link as plain text — it should convert itself for you)
I forgot that one. Did it originally include the section that says if you put “no returns” at the bottom of the challenge, then you cannot be challenged in turn? Or was that the first amendment?