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Dizzy With Success: Paul Elam announces triumphant move of AVFM conference to less convenient venue

Quick, look over there!

Quick, look over there!

So A Voice for Men, having lost or abandoned the original venue for their “Men’s Issues” conference in Detroit, has announced its new location: A VFW post some 18 miles away from the original hotel where, presumably, most of the conference’s attendees will be staying.

According to Paul Elam, they made the move in large part to spare conference-goers the terrible inconvenience of having to watch the no-doubt riveting presentations from an “overflow room.”

No, really.

In a post last night, Elam declared that all the media attention given to the conference

has produced is a hell of a lot more interest in the conference, and more ticket sales. So much so, as a matter of fact, that we have opted to move to a venue that will seat more people and provide more security than was available previously.

While we apologize for any inconvenience that the move is going to cause, it is nonetheless a positive move for the conference. Because seating capacity was misrepresented to us at the previous venue, we were forced to plan for an overflow room where we would pipe in live events to a monitor at reduced ticket prices.

With the change of venue we will be able to accommodate all attendees in the same space at the same time.

Naturally, the first thing some critics of Elam did when they saw this announcement was to look up the seating capacity of the largest rooms at both venues. The largest room at the Doubletree Fort Shelby, where the conference was originally scheduled to take place, seats 300, with a maximum capacity of 310. The largest room at the VFW post … also seats 300. Or maybe 350. The VFW website isn’t clear.

In other words, Elam expects us to believe that in order to avoid the inconvenience of having to resort to “overflow rooms,” AVFM moved its convention to a venue 18 miles away from the original hotel that might not even offer rooms any bigger than the original venue.

Meanwhile, in the comments to Elam’s post, one would-be conference attendee reports that the Doubletree has canceled his reservation. If Doubletree has decided to wash its hands of the conference attendees now that they are no longer hosting the conference, and Elam is telling the truth about the number of people planning to attend, this could mean hundreds of people scrambling for hotel rooms.

Still, Elam and his troops are eager to present this as a great victory.

It’s weird. You might think that this sort of reality distortion would be impossible in a democratic country in the internet age. Sure, back in Stalin’s day, the Soviet Union’s propaganda machine could present massive failure as success and get away with it – at least to some degree, at least within their own country.

In the wake of a disastrous program of “forced collectivization” of rural agriculture in 1929-30, which left many peasants dead or imprisoned and paved the way for future famines, Stalin famously announced in an article in Pravda that the program had been so amazingly successful that he needed to call a temporary halt so that everyone could catch their breath. The title of his article: “Dizzy With Success.”

The only way you can get away with bullshit this brazen is if you’re a dictator or the leader of a cult – something that A Voice for Men has increasingly come to resemble. AVFMers are expected not only to accept Elam’s leadership; they’re expected to accept his distinctly non-consensus reality – a world turned upside down in which men are the real victims of domestic violence and rape and pretty much everything else, a world in which the Southern Poverty Law Center is a collection of evil bigots and his motley collection of misogynists is the true human rights movement of the twenty-first century.

Like a lot of cult leaders, Elam keeps his troops too busy to think straight in a continual frenzy of pseudo-activism. AVFMers are forever brigading comment sections of newspaper articles and YouTube videos in little squads (AVFMers almost always travel in packs), all reciting the same few talking points.

Weirdly, the dynamics of internet discussions can actually reinforce this kind of intellectual conformity, much as Stalin’s control of the media did in his day. No, AVFMers can’t avoid being exposed to facts that contradict the shared (un)reality of their ideological bubble.

But in internet discussions you don’t have to be right in order to convince yourself you’ve won an argument. You just have to be loud and persistent and unwilling to ever give in. You don’t have to convince anyone else of your arguments so long as you convince yourself. MRAs don’t win many arguments on their merits, but they manage to convince themselves they win every one.

The trouble is that when they step outside of their regular stomping grounds on the internet, this strategy – so effective in generating ideological conformity amongst cult members – falls completely apart.

We’ve seen several spectacular examples in the past couple of weeks. First, we watched a concert organized by Canadian Men’s Rights group CAFE implode after musicians and sponsors realized what they’d been roped into; the pathetically unconvincing attempts by the group to explain away this failure were amazing to behold.

Then we saw AVFM’s Dean Esmay reduce himself to a caricature on Fox (local) news as he rapidly regurgitated standard AVFM talking points like some sort of fanatical ideological auctioneer, apparently unaware that to everyone outside of the Men’s Rights bubble everything he was saying was obviously utter nonsense.

And now we have Paul Elam trying to convince the world that AVFM changed its venue for its conference because, hey, we needed more room!

The trouble with having your head up your ass most of the time is that when you take it out, people tend to notice the smell.

But, hey, as long as the AVFMers are happy with their new venue, I’m happy for them. Janet Bloomfield, the official “social media director” for the conference, posted this triumphant tweet lat night:

https://twitter.com/JudgyBitch1/status/476822883881459712

She has assured me that this is an actual quote. The “Wayne State cunts” remark is apparently a reference to the Wayne State sociology professor who, er, debated AVFM’s Dean Esmay on the local Fox affiliate the other day. Esmay has also posted a slightly shorter version of the same quote in the AVFM comments section.

So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”

Oh, and Bloomfield also thinks it’s hilarious to joke about Elam scamming his supporters of the $29,000 raised for additional security:

You can’t buy this kind of publicity, largely because as far as I know there are no PR firms that offer organizations help in destroying the last tiny shreds of their credibility.

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Posted on June 12, 2014, in a voice for men, antifeminism, antifeminist women, doubling down, FemRAs, irony alert, judgybitch, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, self-congratulation, yeah that's the ticket and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 547 Comments.

  1. LOL putting a happy spin on being forced to relocate because nut jobs are threatening to murder and maim the hotel staff is Stalinesk collectivist mind control.

  2. As a sex worker, with the ability to say “no”, I could never, EVER have a MRA client. That, or they’d get the worst service ever.

    Sex workers, I know they are trying to use as a slur, but sex workers: too cool for MRAs.

  3. Wait, I thought the fundraiser was to pay for the security the hotel required because of the alleged threats.

    That letter that was posted certainly didn’t say they were canceling the conference because of threats.

  4. I SERIOUSLY doubt the Doubletree is in the habit of misrepresenting capacity to any potential customers.

    Another poster quoted a piece of “The Victim” profile from Lundy Bancroft’s book “Why Does He Do That” on here yesterday. It was such a fit for what I’ve seen from these MRA’s that I read the full profile and WOW. Then I got the book and haven’t been able to put it down since. It’s an excellent book with a lot of gems, such as the majority of men who claim to be victims of domestic violence are actually perpetrators of domestic violence. Things that make you go “hmmm”.

  5. I wonder if Elam is resorting to this spin so he can say “we changed the venue because we were told the rooms would seat more people” and thus have to avoid cancellation fees. It’s such a weird spin otherwise. You’d think he would want to talk about the threats.

  6. GNL

    LOL putting a happy spin on being forced to relocate because nut jobs are threatening to murder and maim the hotel staff is Stalinesk collectivist mind control.

    I see you are still your usual gullible and unpleasantly ableist self. Fuck off.

  7. This is really JB at her most entertaining. Looks like she might have dipped into some of that coke already.

  8. So, yes, both the official PR representative for the conference and AVFM’s “managing editor” both apparently think it’s a great idea to refer to women who disagree with them as “cunts.”

    Yes, but not ALL women so remember it’s NOT a gendered slur.

  9. But I thought when people received threats it was no big deal? Like offering money for info on the routes people take home from work.
    Maybe undocumented threats are worse than fully documented threats.

    Like how one woman 30 years ago saying she hates men is worse than the actual murder of countless women.

  10. So, I used to post a bit a few years ago, but lapsed into lurking since then.

    But I have to say, today’s post reminds me of a paper that I had to write for my Master’s in Anthropology, looking at the propaganda of groups that do not have the benefit of total or significant control of the media. There’s some interesting differences when a propaganda-producing group has to deal with pesky, outside facts compared to say, WWII Germany’s production of propaganda.

  11. But I thought when people received threats it was no big deal? Like offering money for info on the routes people take home from work.

    No, no, Not “people”. Women. When women receive threats, it’s no big deal. Silly you, thinking women count as people.

  12. Perhaps the chairs in the new venue are less misandrous?

    Where is Tom Martin when you need him…

    Amid the hullaballoo, what isn’t getting discussed is how astoundingly unambitious this bizarre get together is… No plans to do anything other than talk.

    The ineptitude of these fools takes the breath away.

  13. That is a, er, colourful quote from the hall manager (who, based on the venue’s website, is a woman). I wonder if she expected such a comment to be “on the record”, or if she even really said it at all. Either way, it’s bad press for the venue, no? The MRA’s already soured one venue, they should probably at least wait until after the conference to ruin another one.

    It’s a perfect choice of venue, though, when you think about it. It’s a place meant to serve veterans of wars, and AVFM is full of men who have never served in the military in any capacity, but believe they are entitled to the same respect and social benefits as real veterans by virtue of being men.

  14. David, the talk on your site yesterday was that the conference was over – the broken-down car was a memorable image – but hey, it’s not. The talk was of Elam and others stealing the $25,000 security money. Will feminists now be SO stupid as to try and stop (or at least disrupt) a conference on men’s issues held at a ‘Veterans of Foreign Wars’ facility? Yeah, probably. We hope so. The graveyard opposite will make a great backdrop for photos of demonstrators.

    I’m delighted with the change of venue, as are other MHRAs of my acquaintance. So what if it’s 18 miles from the original venue? You think that’s going to matter to anyone attending? The ‘Commander’s Ballroom’ holds 350 people, the Hilton would have had to use an overflow room with less than 300 in the main room, I believe. The room where I look forward to speaking on 28 June:

    http://vfw1146brucepost.org/commanders.htm

    Changing the subject, are you planning to rise to the public challenge of you, which we posted this morning (link below)? Let me know if you want any materials to help you prepare a post. Good luck.

    http://j4mb.wordpress.com/our-public-challenges-to-feminists/

    Have a nice day.

  15. It’s so cute that JB was so proud of her stupid twitter joke that she had to copy and paste it here. Reactionaries never can do humor well.

    I wonder if the VFW knows they are hosting a hate group?

  16. I’m delighted with the change of venue, as are other MHRAs of my acquaintance.

    Any other Danger Mouse fans here reminded of this?

    “The ice in my cell is very pretty, the cockroaches are very friendly and I wasn’t hungry anyway.”

  17. @weirdwoodtreehugger, I didn’t even realize it was a joke at first – I thought she was making a serious comparison. Then I realized the “lol” in front was meant to indicate this was a “joke”. Epic fail.

  18. I thought there were two hotels that y’all had given deposits to?

    I’m sure the VFW is lovely, but there are numerous hotels and convention centers in the area that could serve 350 convention goers much more adequately.

  19. The graveyard opposite will make a great backdrop for photos of demonstrators.

    I suggest a banner reading

    “NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED. They are freaking begging for it.” — Paul Elam

  20. Obviously they switched venues so they could avoid having to take the elevator.

  21. Mikey’s back still desperately trying to get clicks on his sad blog I see.

  22. Does anyone still have that adorably pathetic pic of their last ‘conference’? With elam forlornly holding a sign nearly as big as he is?

    @titianblue, this is a mistake I just can’t seem to get over. Women as people! What silliness!

  23. Considering the scandals about sexual assault in the military lately you’d think a veteran’s organization would be reluctant to host a conference by a pro-rape (as long as the victims are women or “manginas”) group.

    It’s a bit like a Catholic church hosting a NAMBLA conference isn’t it?

  24. cassandrakitty

    You know that nobody is going to visit your sad little blog no matter how many times you beg us too, right, Mikey?

  25. But on his blog I learned that Caroline Criado-Perez (the woman who dared to suggest it might be nice to have at least one women of merit on uk bank notes) has won ‘Lying Woman of the Month’ AND ‘Whiny Woman of the Month’!
    Turns out it wasn’t just internet trolls harassing and bullying her, but potential political parties as well!

    Keep up the good fight mikey!

  26. cassandrakitty

    OMG, is she going to win Woman Who Annoys Us By Existing of the Month too to take the Brit misogynist triple crown?

  27. OMG. Mikey is like that annoying pimple that just won’t go away, and screams “LOOK AT ME” even though all you want to do is murder it dead.

  28. I’ve also learnt about an email exchange with our grand overloard. Hopefully Dave (or at least the kitties controlling Dave) gave his consent.

  29. Wow, spelling ‘lord’ wrong. Thats bad even for me!

  30. Mikey, you’re being pathetic, stop. We’re never going to go to your blog to give you the traffic you so desperately want.

  31. Ahahaha, so they moved to cushy St. Clair Shores because SUCCESS! and stuff. Um, why not just, oh I don’t know, another, larger venue closer to DoubleTree?

  32. I find it really hard to believe that “Wayne State c*nts” line was ever said by the facilities manager.

  33. I was just scolded by the Grand Poobah himself.

    Paul Elam Auntie Alias • 5 minutes ago
    For the record, nothing about our war veterans, including the facilities they dedicate to soldiers who serve all of us, is “bargain basement.”

    Your statement here is deplorable, and represents precisely why a new dialog about gender is critical to our future.

    We are proud to be having this important event in a place that commemorates and serves the brave people who paid the price for our right to have it.

    Shame on you.

    Paul Elam, publisher, A Voice for Men

    My response: “Spin it all you like, Paul. Perhaps you should have a chat with Janet Bloomfield about disparaging the facility.”

  34. cassandrakitty

    Begging is totes alpha. Meanwhile, Pauly is still really really bad at pretending to be other people. Why does he keep doing that? It’s not like he’s fooling anyone.

  35. What % of mra’s are vets?
    People fight wars to STOP the spread of hateful ideologies. My grandad and I’m sure many other WWII vets would be fucking ashamed to hear these woman haters co-opting the horrors they went through for their own gains.
    Disgusting.

  36. After reaching: ‘If we ‘need’ more female MPs, do we ‘need’ more white sprinters in the Olympics 100 metres final?’ I think I’m now done with mikeys blog. Blegh.

  37. If I tried to explain MRAs to my Vietnam veteran father, he’d think they were the biggest bunch of candyasses on the planet. Dad’s totally a feminist.

  38. DeutschundMusik

    Great picture. I don’t know what we’d do if we didn’t have your sane perspective on this site, thanks as always.

    The question to me is, will AVFM be able to bury the need to confirm those “death threats”? Will the whole subject now be dropped, with the Detroit PD quietly shelving the reports? If I were AVFM I would change venues too, even if the hotel hadn’t dumped me, just to be able to add to its fantasy history that it was threatened. I still think it is important that those “threats” be investigated and reported on by the police, and if they are without credibility, that AVFM be called on it every time they try to pretend they occurred..

  39. Mikey succeeded in luring me to his blog, as I couldn’t contain my curiosity on his “challenge” to David. After scrolling down through the massive topbar links menu (my eyes fell upon something like “lying women” as a menu item, among other disturbing things), I found out that Mikey himself is willing to provide all the material David needs to write a blog piece about how diversity in the boardroom results in lower earnings! How gracious!

  40. They’re vile. I hope this blows up in their stupid disingenuous faces.
    I’m a complete pacifist and have got into arguments with many (forces) family members about the rights and wrongs, but for some reason this is really pissing me off.
    Just how dare they?
    Their incoherent ramblings about the draft is one thing, but holding a conference at a veterans club and wallowing in the respectability that gives them is un-good. Distinctly un-good.

  41. @Mike Buchanan

    Do you have any idea of how shabby, nay, callous drooling over a veteran cemetery being potential a background for a photos op make you look? My grand-father, my recently deceased husband were both veterans. I find you crass and offensive. You have no respect. Those are the graves of real people, not movie props. I don’t know how you were raised, but in my world, cemeteries, especially military cemeteries are a place of remembrance and respect.

  42. They’re all salivating over the idea of ‘the media’ taking pictures of protesters in the area. (apparently there’s an old peoples home over the road as well) Someone is even fantasising about the ‘protesters’ pictured in front of the lake, then someone can photoshop in a pirate flag. What larks!

  43. Mikey reminds me of the cardboard cutout from the TV cartoon “The Critic” of the title character saying “Buy my book!Buy my book!Buy my book!”

    C’mon, guys, come check out my totes great website! I talk about you guys and everything!(i’msolonelywhywon’tanyonetalktomeohgodevenBNPwon’treturnmycalls)

  44. cassandrakitty

    They’re such disgusting people. My granddad died in WW2 – the sacrifices made by his generation are not your photo op, assholes.

  45. “Completely agree security is definitely essential. If the security firm has it, I would have them install a temp outdoor camera system with DVR that records those entering/exiting the building as well as much coverage outside the venue as possible. Nothing beats video evidence. Additionally, I think it would be great to have a thank you to the VFW for accommodating the group on short notice at the press conference. I think that would also be great PR.
    Even better if they would be able to accommodate some type of opening ceremony at the press conference, raising of the flag by fellow vets in uniform or some such. Perhaps a bit optimistic or asking too much on my part, but I still think it would be great to see.

    IT’S JUST ALL SO FUN AND EXCITING YOU GUYS!!! MAYBE WE CAN BUILD A TREEHOUSE AS WELL!

  46. Well, hey, be fair. The largest room in the Doubletree would hold 300 people, but was that room available to the AVfM crowd? Could be that that room was booked and they had a smaller room?
    Don’t get me wrong, I have my doubts that 300 people would be willing to spend $250 on an MRM conference (especially when you consider the truefact that they’re all so oppressed that they’re spending more than they earn in child support) but I’m not sure that the difference between the Doubletree’s largest room and this VFW place is necessarily relevant. Unless we know that it’s this largest room that they had booked? In which case, fair point.

  47. Even better if they would be able to accommodate some type of opening ceremony at the press conference, raising of the flag by fellow vets in uniform or some such. Perhaps a bit optimistic or asking too much on my part, but I still think it would be great to see.

    These people are fucking foul. My father did not lose an eardrum/get PTSD to be used a prop by assholes like this.

  48. His loss of eardrum and PTSD just prove how disposable the male gender is so of course he would support them…yeah, no I can’t even continue this pretend line of thought. Feel a bit sick…

  49. I’m seconding Isabelle here:

    Do you have any idea of how shabby, nay, callous drooling over a veteran cemetery being potential a background for a photos op make you look? My grand-father, my recently deceased husband were both veterans. I find you crass and offensive. You have no respect. Those are the graves of real people, not movie props. I don’t know how you were raised, but in my world, cemeteries, especially military cemeteries are a place of remembrance and respect.

    My grandfather passed away lat summer. He was a career army officer and was very involved in his local VFW. Using the venue to try to get some second-hand legitimacy from veterans is sleazy. So is continuously trying to promote your blog, Mikey B. No one’s interested, and you never actually reply to anyone. WTF you doing here? Go away.

    GNL:

    LOL putting a happy spin on being forced to relocate because nut jobs are threatening to murder and maim the hotel staff is Stalinesk collectivist mind control.

    But if that’s really the case, why lie about it? I would think that Elam & co. would be falling all over themselves to be able to blame the change of venue on violent feminists. And fuck off with your ableism.

  50. Isabelle, thank you. My beloved father, who was always a hero to me, was a vet too – a British one. He died some six months ago, at the age of 90, and yesterday was the anniversary of his last birthday. He jumped ashore on a Normandy beach five days after D-Day, on 11 June 1944, on his 21st birthday. The only time I ever saw him cry was when he was walking down the rows of crosses and Stars of David in the largest American war cemetery in Normandy, 50 years after he’d first been there.

    I hate the feminists who desecrate his memory, and the memories of so many other men in so many wars who gave (and continue to give) their lives so that women and children don’t have to. Here’s why:

    http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/why-i-hate-the-feminists-who-desecrate-my-fathers-memory

  51. “June 9, 2014 By Paul Elam 38 Comments

    I am very happy to announce that A Voice for Men’s First International Conference on Men’s Issues has been approved for continuing education units (CEUs) for certain mental health professionals who attend the conference.

    Individuals in Michigan and many other states with the credentials of Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT), Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), Licensed Educational Psychologist (LEP) and Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor (LPCC) are qualified.

    This development establishes AVFM as an education provider in the mental health community and will become a regular feature of all future conferences.

    We look forward to bringing badly needed information on men and boys to mental health professionals everywhere.”

    Just makes their ableism even more ironicilicious. And terrirfying.

  52. Mikey, none of us are going to follow your links, so give it up.

    If you think it’s the feminists desecrating his memory, you’re an even bigger jackass than you first seemed.

  53. If Elam is so dizzy with success and the venue change is to accommodate the swelling number of attendees, why is there a link on the home page of AVFM branded as:

    Lying fascist bigots successfully convince Human Rights Activists to relocate conference to safer, larger venue.

  54. Mikey please stop. Do you really believe women and children don’t die in war? Please stop.

  55. cassandrakitty

    Mikey, you are a pathetic excuse for a human being, and using your dad as part of your sales pitch is repugnant. He’d probably be ashamed of you if he could see what you spend your time doing now.

  56. “I thought he was from the last generation of men who weren’t automatically vilified on account of being men. He never came close to understanding about feminism, maybe the two things were related.”

    Don’t you understand hellkell? His dad was a good man who knew nothing of feminism(?) of course he’d be proud of his repugnant son.

  57. A new dialog about gender is critical for our future.

    Dear, MRA, sorry to inform you, but your misogyny is anything but new or original. In fact it’s one of the oldest things on Earth.
    Everything you have to say has already been said before. Humanity is now moving past those dark ages with or without you.

  58. Mikey, have you no shame?

  59. *Cassandrakitty, sorry. Its not like your your gravitas are even similar! Sorry.

  60. I’m not sure which I find more annoying: Mikey’s desperate attempt to get people to read his sad little blog, or the twitter bullshit the likes of Dean Esmay and JudgyBitch are shitting out right now.

    As always, GNL is a strong contender by being the first to announce their ability to miss the point and being an ableist shoe full of diarrhea, but as is usually the case, never lives up to the hype.

  61. Mike, I hadn’t read that article- thank you for your courage in sharing that.

  62. Mikey succeeded in luring me to his blog, as I couldn’t contain my curiosity on his “challenge” to David. After scrolling down through the massive topbar links menu (my eyes fell upon something like “lying women” as a menu item, among other disturbing things), I found out that Mikey himself is willing to provide all the material David needs to write a blog piece about how diversity in the boardroom results in lower earnings! How gracious!

    If Mikey B wants a piece of fiction written, he should pay LBT to do it as part of zer writeathon.

  63. I think Mikey B is trying to be the Upworthy of noxious manboobz trolls. (Downworthy? Trollworthy?)

    It’s not really working, however. You just don’t have the stuff, Mikey. Try keeping it brief and giving people a more intriguing a “hook” in your headline. Examples:

    “I Hate Women, Sorry, Feminists, Who Desecrate My Father’s Memory—And You’ll Never Guess Why”

    “You Won’t Believe How Angry This Story Will Make You Feel Toward Women, But You Better Click On My Blog, Quick! Please?”

  64. Isabelle, thank you. My beloved father, who was always a hero to me, was a vet too – a British one. He died some six months ago, at the age of 90, and yesterday was the anniversary of his last birthday. He jumped ashore on a Normandy beach five days after D-Day, on 11 June 1944, on his 21st birthday. The only time I ever saw him cry was when he was walking down the rows of crosses and Stars of David in the largest American war cemetery in Normandy, 50 years after he’d first been there.

    I hate the feminists who desecrate his memory, and the memories of so many other men in so many wars who gave (and continue to give) their lives so that women and children don’t have to. Here’s why:

    And yet:

    Will feminists now be SO stupid as to try and stop (or at least disrupt) a conference on men’s issues held at a ‘Veterans of Foreign Wars’ facility? Yeah, probably. We hope so. The graveyard opposite will make a great backdrop for photos of demonstrators.

    So really, what respect is that exactly?

    The respect of hinting that demonstrators will go the way of the dodo, in graves in the ground of a graveyard?

    That’s vile, chummer. That’s way vile. That shits on everyone’s memory.

  65. His evidence of feminists dissing his dad?
    ‘One of the feminist narratives which angers me the most is that men are inherently violent, and that if more women were in charge of countries, we’d see fewer armed conflicts.’
    Also, ‘violence by proxy’.

    Yeah.

  66. cassandrakitty

    Mikey is a skidmark upon the underpants of British society, and I’m so embarrassed about having to share a nationality with him.

  67. Mikey,

    You are a repulsive piece of shit.

    My grandfathers who were both WWII would not pleased to hear your claims that I’m desecrating their service simply by being a woman and a feminist. My paternal grandmother is still alive and she served in her own way by being a real life Rosie the riveter (she was actually a welder). Maybe I’ll tell her about you. She’d probably have some choice words.

    You need to stop pissing on my grandfather’s graves and using them for your hateful misogynist agenda that neither would approve of. It’s disgusting.

  68. Argenti Aertheri

    The fucking fuck is this fucking shit? No, just no. You do not get to use the memories of people who fought for your freedom to be an asshole to support your assholery. Well, I mean, thanks to them you legally can, but to call it rude would be like calling bullet ants slightly annoying, or calling a blue ring octopus a bit poisonous.

    No, just fucking no.

  69. Argenti Aertheri

    Titianblue — LBT pronoun rundown:

    Rogan and Mac — he/him
    Mir and Gigi (I think) — she/her
    Sneak — zie/zir

    Just a friendly reminder to keep me from exploding in anger at their utter lack of respect.

    Sneak — no sign of cactus potting soil, as soon as I find it I’ll have plant babies headed your way!

  70. Hahha, the idea of trying to explain this chump and his ‘views’ to my grandma is making me extraordinarily happy!

    Slightly off topic, but my grandma recently received a war medal for my grandad from the government (grandad died 10+ years ago) for his work during the war in the arctic circle. He already had a medal from the Russians, but its taken the uk this long to get around to honouring them. Probably the fault of feminists.

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