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The Top 5 Worst Comments by DavidByron2 in the Men’s Rights Subreddit … This Week!

Unlike women, men have REAL issues to deal with. Like giant otters!

Unlike women, men have REAL issues to deal with. Like giant otters.

Anyone who reads the Men’s Rights subreddit on a regular basis knows that when you see the username DavidByron2 you are in for a treat. Well, a “treat” in the sense that discovering a flaming bag of dog poop on your doorstop is a “treat.” Like many Men’s Rightsers, he’s both smug and ignorant, a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

But somehow he manages to be more than just another insufferable mansplaining rage-baby who spends all of his spare time ranting about a subject — feminism — he knows less than nothing about. No, there’s a kind of daft genius to his comments; I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried.

And so I thought I’d wind up this week with a small collection of the best –that is, worst — comments he left in the Men’s Rights subreddit this week. In choosing the top 5, I have confined myself mostly to those that got more upvotes than downvotes, because, seriously, the thought that there are actual human beings out there upvoting this crap is almost as amazing as the fact that there’s an actual human being posting it. And thinking himself quite clever and righteous for doing so.

Let’s work our way to the top starting with …

5) Getting cat-called is a form of power women have over men:

DavidByron2 1 point 4 days ago (5|4)  Well both your examples are bogus, although at least feminist women feel cat-calling ought to be a real issue which is better than the rest of the crap they go on about. The problem is that cat-calling is an aspect of female power over men. It's a bit like a famous movie star complaining about paparazzi. Well I can see it would be annoying, they only get that attention because of all the power and success they have. They would never give up the power even though doing so would stop the paparazzi. it's the same with women. Once they get older and the "male stare" stops, they complain once again, this time that they are no longer getting cat called. Only now it's called "being invisible" and once again it's all men's fault. So it's hard for me to take seriously that people with more power are oppressed or that a thing that you miss when it stops, is oppression.

4) One MRA can fend off twenty feminists with his superior LOGICKING:

DavidByron2 0 points 5 days ago (2|2)  It takes about ten to twenty feminists to keep up with one anti-feminist in conversation (fewer than that and they feel bullied) so it seems like the impact isn't related to the numbers exactly.

3) Society is bizarrely fixated on punishing rape to an unhealthy degree:

DavidByron2 5 points 2 days ago (7|2)  Rape culture is a conspiracy theory created by nutcases to denigrate men. It really doesn't have to make any sense and it doesn't. Not even remotely. In fact it is clear that rape culture is the exact opposite of what we really have, namely a society fixated on punishing the rape of women to a bizarre and extremely unhealthy degree.

2) Feminism has to steal legitimacy from the struggles of truly disadvantaged groups because women don’t have any real issues:

DavidByron2 6 points 8 hours ago (7|1)  Yeah this needs to be on the FAQ if it isn't already.  You're wondering if the MRA do the same stuff as feminists. No. Feminism has to steal the legitimacy of genuinely disadvantaged minority groups because it has no issues of its own. They co-opt other groups issues by creating this sort of fake emotional identity. So they can talk about real issues and get credit for it, and then talk about some bullshit like people telling women to smile or something else no real minority would take seriously as an issue.  MRAs have real issues and a real disadvantaged minority group to work for so they don't need tricks. They don't need to leech sympathy from other groups.

1) But DavidByron2’s masterpiece this week was his argument that if women are really as scared of men as the feminists (allegedly) say they are, then they should probably be banned from doing pretty much everything.

DiscussionIf women are constantly afraid of men as feminists say then women are not competent to hold public jobs (self.MensRights)  submitted 5 days ago by DavidByron2  I've noticed that some folks around here are actually taking at face value the idea that women are constantly afraid of men, that feminists are spreading as part of their hate campaign against men. I guess we need some women to come along and say this is bullshit because the White Knight tendency in many here is too great to overcome by mere logic.  But if you believe women are really constantly living in fear of men, have you considered the implications? You are saying women are mentally deficient and in particular that they are not capable of functioning normally in public society, as if they suffer from some sort of anxiety disorder, or have panic attacks.  If you go through life thinking you're going to be raped or attacked by half the population then you simply cannot function efficiently in any sort of public job. Is it the position of people who believe this stuff that women should be denied public jobs unless they are jobs that don't matter or they are supervised by a man who can take over when the woman turns into quivering jelly because a strange male is visible within 200 yards?  Do we need to be lobbying for women to have adequate mental health care because apparently they all need it? Is there an unrecognized severe epidemic of mental health issues that paralyze women that has gone unnoticed?  Should women be allowed to drive when alone? That sounds dangerous to me. What if they spotted a strange male and had a panic attack? In fact it seems like it would logically be best to pass a law saying women shouldn't even leave the house without at least one male relative to protect them if you believe this stuff. Otherwise they could have a panic attack, run off and perhaps injure themselves if they so much as cross paths with an unknown male adult.  This really seems to be the level of fear the feminists are pitching this issue at. A very severe paranoid delusion shared by most women that they are about to be attacked or raped at any time they see or meet a man -- including even men they know at times but certainly any stranger.

Dunning, Kruger, meet DavidByron2.

 

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Posted on June 6, 2014, in antifeminism, citation needed, crackpottery, entitled babies, evil sexy ladies, imaginary backwards land, imaginary oppression, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, pig ignorance, playing the victim, rape culture, reddit, sexual harassment and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 129 Comments.

  1. Cloudiah: That same comments section has the usual link to Christina Hoff-Summers’ colossal failure to comprehend why a definitional study of rape (as opposed to straight-up asking ‘Have you ever been raped?’ and calling it a day) was needed in the first place. I swear, they need a new playbook

  2. @LBT:
    Want to pool our aggression and split the difference?
    And while you’re at it, you can ship Creepy Tim to my building, where us gals in a kinda rough neighbourhood take zero shit in our territory. I’d bet money that my landlady’d have his testes in a jar in her kitchen inside of a week…

  3. Argenti Aertheri

    “Assessing risk isn’t crippling. Being unable to assess it is.”

    Someone needlepoint that on a pillow?

    Pecunium, did you get mistaken for a girl again? Can we trade the “ability to be mistaken for ones non-biological sex” skill?

  4. Hezekiah Ramirez

    Well of course we all know that all these mean little bitches are the REAL sexists, right? Because we all know these broads are so irrational and emotional that they just can’t handle those PMSey emotions, amiright fellas? Now aren’t you emotional little girls happy that daddy is hear to explain how the world really works? I bet you really appreciate being set straight here because, you know, now you can listen to the adult in the room and not have to worry about your lady problems. You know the ones I’m talking about. Your lady bits just make you so irrational that you can’t possibly know anything about how the world really works. Good thing you have a big strong smart man with his sensibility and logic to set you straight. Now aren’t you grateful? Because as we all know… Bitches be crazy, amiright guys? Heeeyyyooooo!!

    And how about those woman drivers? Bitches be swervin’! Amiright?! Heeeeyyyooooo!!

    We all know that all women want to castrate all men with meat cleavers and wash their hands in the blood! They’re evil! EVIL! OPPRESSION! OPPRESSION OF WHITE MEN, I SAY!

    And then there’s the indisputable fact that all white men are being kept down by the bootheel of you big bad scary women! Oh, when will white men catch a break? When will you big scary feminists stop trying to ruin their fun?! There are women making them feel like rapists, minorities making them feel like bigots, and liberals trying to tell them not to be such a dick about stuff! Sounds like oppression to me! Why, oh why can’t white men stop being attacked on all sides for good reason?

    Why can’t white men just do whatever they want without having to be called out every time they do something wrong? And it’s all white men I’m talking about, obviously. Because if you tell one he’s being a dickhead it means you’re attacking all of them! And if you tell one he’s being sexist or misogynistic you’re mercilessly attacking all men! So YOU’RE the bigots! Right guys? You know what I mean! Bitches be crazy, yo! Amiright fellas? Amiright?

  5. Argenti: No. I’m pretty sure they knew I was male. At a guess it was, “let’s play with the straight dude” as I was at the edge of The Village and my gaydar was pinging.

  6. What amuses me personally about DB2’s last comment is the fact that its premise betrays a complete lack of understanding of how panic attacks and anxiety disorders work. I have a fairly bad anxiety disorder and I’ve had panic attacks in public. You generally don’t “run off and get injured”. Though in its severest form, anxiety disorders can render you incapable of holding a job, many, many people live and work with them. If you met me at work you’d never know I’m always on the verge of panic.

    Also, it hardly needs to be mentioned that fear and panic are two very different things. Given his hyperbolic writing style I’m not surprised the distinction was glossed over.

  7. I swear, they need a new playbook

    I’d go for a new playpen, m’self. With really high sides.

  8. So, as the resident unattractive older invisible lady who used to be a younger visible lady, I gotta say these are two sides of the same coin — not complete opposites. Whether a dude is pretending to listen to me because he wants to stare at my boobs or pretending to ignore me while I’m waiting in the store that employs him because I’m not doing anything for his boner, it still adds up to him not exactly treating me as a person. And after several decades of being treated as not exactly a person — whose opinions matter, who is occasionally right on certain topics, who … I dunno, is a paying and tipping customer — whatever — not by everyone, by any means, but by enough people, I’m fucking sick of it.

    So, power ain’t what’s going on here. OBVIOUSLY. (To everyone except, well, misogynists.)

  9. Also, I feel kind of bad for DavidByron1 and DavidBryon3. Not all DavidByrons are like that!

  10. Man – This is where you are mistaken, Ms. Feminist. You underestimate the male intellect.

    Well, at least he’s polite to the power hungry man-hating straw feminists he’s conjured up with his imagination.

  11. I don’t think MRAs rolled for Intelligence. They put all those points into Willpower.

  12. fruitloopsie

    Cloudiah ZaW Edghr and Hezekiah

  13. Just because I think it’s a possibility, based on statistics and world experience and, you know, reality, that men might rape me doesn’t mean I have panic attacks and can’t go outside. I’ve never had a panic attack in my life. Also I’ve known more than a few people who have panic attacks and rape doesn’t factor in at all. Also, what the fuck do panic attacks have to do with being female? One of my best male friends suffered from those, since childhood, and in his case also it had nothing to do with thinking he might be raped.

    I think the only form of logic this dudebro has a passing acquaintance with is the Non Sequitor.

  14. enhancedvibes

    @freemage and athywren

    I’m a jew, albeit atheist, and I think what is lost in the circumcision debate is that it IS a religious rite within judaism. That is why I do not ever see it being outlawed, totally, within the US. I think the entire anti-circumcision movement is a little twisted because similar to most arguments/solutions within the MRM, it forgets the US Constitution. I see the best solution to combatting the common practice is (1) stop injecting the term mutilation into the discourse because that has a totally diff meaning for people when thinking about genitalia and instead focus on the body integrity/body autonomy argument and (2) start educating the public on the importance of allowing our sons to retain bodily integrity and autonomy.

    These are my thoughts on this topic for what its worth. The reason we KNOW the MRM is ineffectual is because in all of their discussions about their issues and proposes solution they show a deep lack of understanding the role of govt, how govt works and the law. I’d like to think that the anti-circumcision movement would know the law bettergiven my understanding is that this is a left leaning issue. All in all i find a lot of their rhetoric to he inflammatory.

  15. Cloudiah, we need some sort of We Hunted the Mammoth Puppet Theater to act out those sorts of dramas!

  16. Oooo a use for sock puppets? I’ll make a Lamb Chop, I have a knitting and crochet pattern for her.

  17. “My friend says she’s a vegetarian but then when she didn’t get any dinner because I only served steak, she wants steak. Only now she calls it “I’m really hungry” and somehow it’s my fault for inviting her to my dinner party.”

    @Emmy

    I splorfled at this.

  18. @endurancedvibes
    I generally don’t bring up its being mutilation, though I think people having a different definition for mutilation where genitals are concerned is bizarre and deeply worrying. I mostly stick to autonomy and integrity, as you say, and argue that they should be inviolable except in cases of medical necessity.
    I argue that a child is not something you own with which you can do what you wish, but rather something you’re holding in trust for their older self, which you have to treat according to their wishes. Obviously we can’t know what their wishes will be in advance, so we have to come to reasonable judgements, and not make unnecessary decisions that cannot be reversed when they’re older. So, for instance, it’s ok to put them in pink clothes even if they’ll hate pink clothes when they’re older, because clothing is necessary in most climates, because any colour you choose is basically just as likely as any other to end up as a hated colour, and because they can just stop wearing pink when they’re older. But it’s not ok to cut any piece of their body off, since they can’t regrow it later if they didn’t want it removed. The only reasonable exception for this is if there’s a medically necessary reason to do it.

  19. Toolbox: 99% of the time the harassment I’ve experienced wasn’t bemusing, it was terrifying.

    Not only because I can’t imagine how anyone can consider being shouted at as a form of flattery

    The 1% where it wasn’t was when some neighborhood drag queens would shout, “Hey Mama, lookin’ good, where’d you get those shoes?” That was all in good fun and even though we didn’t know each other, there was a level of familiarity from just being around the ‘hood and seeing people regularly.

  20. emilygoddess

    David,

    Like many Men’s Rightsers, he’s both smug and ignorant, a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

    He’s smugnorant! Also an ignoranus.

    Auggz,

    Also when I went to a psych hospital last year there was one patient who was a total creep. [etc]

    JFC, I’m sorry that happened to you. Fucking “boys will be boys shit. I’m surprised they didn’t try to tell her he just liked her, like they do in grade school. Do you think there’s also an element of just not bothering to expect or demand proper behavior from “crazy people”?

    Z,

    Any idea what’s the MRAs reaction to Tucker Carlson male rape denialism?

    Yup, still hate that guy.

    Toolbox,

    None of them really actually thinks it’s a compliment, they do it to bother people. They’re like little kids getting a present when women respond with hostility. I’ve seen some even film the reactions they get.

    This…I don’t want to say triggers me, but it upsets me on a deep, visceral level because I had a boyfriend who enjoyed making me mad just to see me react. People’s emotions are not your playground, assholes!

  21. Argenti Aertheri

    Pecunium — ah, you need a nice shiny wedding ring then. May I suggest Brilliant Earth? Their diamonds are mostly from the same country as your wife, and their ethics make me all AWWW PEOPLE DON’T SUCK!

    As for circumscion, I don’t think any sort of ban would be a good idea. One REALLY simple thing though would be for doctors to just not ask new parents, let them ask.

    Also, having recently gotten another set of holes in my head, I’m gonna have to revise my previous thoughts on getting little kid’s ears pierced — yeah, get it done with a needle, not the gun, but be prepared for a month+ of frustration trying to keep them free of goopy little kid hands. I changed my “starter studs” out for some extra labret studs I had around (I use them in my cartilage) a week before the earliest I was supposed to even attempt it because the studs were impossible to keep remotely clean and my hair kept getting twisted in them — I’ll be 29 next month and have 2g holes below these, I’m no newb at this. I can’t fathom trying to keep them clean on someone who keeps pawing at them with hands coated in god alone knows what!

    Back on topic, yeah, parents should have to request it, not have it treated like a thing they’re just expected to have done. The ethics are more complicated, but I suspect that would reduce the rate, as well as, eventually, making it seem like less a thing “everybody does”.

  22. 2g is my goal for my bottom ear piercings as that’s the smallest size the sparrow plugs I like (and have had ordered by the piercer) come in. I think I am at 12g now as I have only had one stretch and was looking forward to having the next one done in about a fortnight, but post surgery recovery may push that out further. :(

    I have to take longer than the 8 week minimum between stretches as one ear decided to itch and then bleed about 2 weeks after the stretch, then the other one decided to do it the following week. But no itching or bleeding up to that point, and none since. Silly ear piercings. Silly body. So 12 weeks between stretches for me. :(

    Nose piercing is looking good. Just waiting to hear that my Hello Kitty end has arrived. Because the jeweller is in the US, it’s easy to get geeky US culture ends, but they don’t have any Dr Who. I might have to stump up some $$$ to get a mold for a dalek end made. And for a cyberman head. But heck, if I wanted an end that was the Star Trek comms badge thing, they already have a mold for that. And Star Wars stuff.

  23. Argenti: I don’t think a gaudier ring would have made a difference. (to say nothing of my aesthetic distaste for diamonds. I think them [mostly] boring stones. The few I like are valued in the millions, which makes them pointless on several levels).

  24. Good to know I’m not the only one who finds diamonds kind of boring. I thought it was just me. I don’t even bring it up much because I figure people will assume I’m either insulting their or their partner’s engagement rings or I’m just jealous because I don’t have an engagement ring.

    I like amethyst, ruby, sapphire and turquoise the best because they’re pretty colors. And of course, I like emeralds because it’s my birth stone.

  25. First, some translations:

    DavidByron2:

    Rape culture is a conspiracy theory created by nutcases to denigrate men.

    Translation: “I have no idea what rape culture is but I don’t like the idea of anything that might legitimize the notion that the rape of women and/or children is a systemic social problem.”

    It really doesn’t have to make any sense and it doesn’t. Not even remotely.

    Translation: “I don’t understand it and it makes me uncomfortable and so I’m saying it doesn’t make sense in as authoritative a way as I can in the hope that *you* won’t give it a second thought.”

    In fact it is clear that rape culture is the exact opposite of what we really have, namely a society fixated on punishing the rape of women to a bizarre and extremely unhealthy degree.

    Translation: “We all know rape isn’t a problem, and so because our society persecutes men who take ‘no’ as the ‘yes’ that it really is (and we all know how [CENSORED] that is), our culture is exactly the opposite of what those evil feminazis say it is.”

    You’re welcome.

    =====

    And now for some random responses:

    Bee:

    So, as the resident unattractive older invisible lady who used to be a younger visible lady, I gotta say these are two sides of the same coin — not complete opposites. Whether a dude is pretending to listen to me because he wants to stare at my boobs or pretending to ignore me while I’m waiting in the store that employs him because I’m not doing anything for his boner, it still adds up to him not exactly treating me as a person. … / So, power ain’t what’s going on here. OBVIOUSLY. (To everyone except, well, misogynists.)

    Your point is quite well taken! (Not the part where you identify yourself as the “resident unattractive older invisible lady,” as “older” does not necessarily mean “unattractive,” at least to non-misogynists — I reserve judgment on *that* particular statement!) When I read DavidByron2’s statements about cat-calling, I did a facepalm but didn’t quite reach the point of articulating in my own mind exactly what was wrong with it (aside from the obvious fact — again, to non-misogynists — that hooting and hollering like monkeys at people as they walk by is rude), but you’re quite right that they are “two sides of the same coin.”

    The fact that these MRA-types (MRAs, MGTOWS, anti-fems, INAMRABs) seem incapable of viewing women as human beings never ceases to amaze and disgust me. They always claim not to be misogynists (because they love their mothers; because the dictionary tells them the word doesn’t apply to them, since they don’t go around saying they hate women all the time; and so forth), and yet everything the do and say is in furtherance of the male-normative nature of our culture — that is, men are real people with varied thoughts and emotions, women are all the same (evil, deceitful, etc.); etc.

    What is it called when someone exemplifies so thoroughly and completely that which they claim not to be?

    pallygirl:

    I don’t think MRAs rolled for Intelligence. They put all those points into Willpower.

    Frakkin’ hah-larious! I might have to use that one in the future, if ya don’t mind….

    Zoe:

    If he thinks women should (and secretly do) take cat-calling and barking as compliments, does he think that we should (or probably do) take rape as just some ultimate type of flattery?

    That is obscenely likely[1]. Unfortunately, given how deceptive, usurpative, and overall evil these boiz (=/= men =/= boys) think women are — that is, at the very least, the “tainted” and “poisoned” Western women, who are to be differentiated from “real” or “good” women by the reduced chance that they will utterly and unquestioningly obey and serve the men in their lives — it would not surprise me if some or all of these clowns (no offense, Bozo) believe that every filing of a rape-charge and every prosecution of a rapist, in reality (a term used loosely here and applying specifically to Bizarro World’s evil twin), is an act of superfluous punishment of good and honorable men for something that the women enjoyed anyway for the sole purpose of punishing men out of some inborn (that is, biologically determined or socially ingrained), pathological need to destroy men’s lives, thus resulting in an increased enjoyment of the entire scenario on the part of the women involved.

    As a man myself, I can’t tell you just how baffled, sickened, and truly disturbed by their line of “thinking” I am.

    [1] Just to clarify, the obscenity lies in the fact that there should be any person whose “mentality” could be accurately described that way, not in your question itself.

  26. I’ve never cared about diamonds – but then, I never even saw one until I was in my 20’s. I have to admit they’re pretty, but gem rings in general seem so impractical, like I’d constantly be getting them snagged on stuff. Personally, given the messy nature of my work and the difficulty of cleaning rings, I’ve asked my partner for something flat (I have my heart set on a two-tone claddagh). Some of my coworkers (vets and techs both) have HUGE diamond rings and I’m like, how are you not constantly tearing through gloves and/or getting blood in the settings? To each her own, I guess, but I’ve always preferred practical over pretty.

  27. Argenti Aertheri

    Balarick — can you not call them “boiz”? Boi is a queer identity I’d rather not have associated with these man children.

    Stone wise, I have a pair of garnets, and if I got a diamond it’d be small and very old fashioned, Victorian maybe, with tiny other stones? I mostly love Brilliant Earth because HOLY SHIT YOU CAN BUY NON BLOOD DIAMONDS!

    Pallygirl — I never did mine in full jumps between gauges, I’d buy tapers and just slowly wind them through. As for the itching and bleeding, try switching materials, gold is hypoallergenic right? Yeah, not according to my ears. I used acrylic to stretch them, silicone in my finished holes. The rest of my holes are currently stainless steel, I’ll need to find some tapers soon though ^.^

  28. JFC, I’m sorry that happened to you. Fucking “boys will be boys shit. I’m surprised they didn’t try to tell her he just liked her, like they do in grade school. Do you think there’s also an element of just not bothering to expect or demand proper behavior from “crazy people”?

    Maybe, I think they just didn’t care about her. They even threatened to punish her once for not letting him play cards with her and “upsetting him”. It didn’t make any sense. First it was “ignore/avoid him”, then when she did it was still her fault for his hurt feelings.

  29. auggziliary,I feel for you and her. I was harassed my senior year of school, and I responded by trying to ignore my harasser. It didn’t work–he would lean over me while I cowered and steal my stuff while I was busy trying to ignore him, and it made me wonder if I was doing something wrong. (In retrospect, no, but feminine socialization…)

    The one time I brought something he did/thought he did to the teacher* she literally told me that sometimes boys did those things to get attention. We were both eighteen fucking years old. I decided not to tell her anything else, because it clearly wouldn’t do any good. In retrospect, I think if I’d gone to the teacher after class and said he’d been harassing me throughout the year and I spend half my time in class trying to avoid him, she would have done something, but I just assumed then that she didn’t care. This was a teacher who made a big deal about support for human rights, etc.

    I sent her an email two years later telling her about the incident, the fact that it had been part of a pattern she hadn’t noticed (I decided to be charitable) and that by brushing off my complaints the one time I made one she insured I’d never make another one. I also said that she probably should take complaints like that more seriously in the future, because it might be just the tip of the iceberg. She was apologetic, but I’m not sure if it changed anything.

    *He’d been standing over me harassing me and when I looked up my purse was gone. I accused him (not very calmly, but that was my fucking purse–with money and ID and everything), but he didn’t have it–his friends did. I am 100% sure he was involved, though, and had at least created the distraction that allowed the thieves to get it.

  30. Winter Walker:

    Exercise. Lots of exercise. Take it out in long hikes and cold showers. I’m not kidding.

  31. Good to know I’m not the only one who finds diamonds kind of boring.

    Nope, my engaement/wedding ring is an Art Deco square cut sapphire with two tiny old-world cut diamonds on either side of it in white gold with some amazing filigree work.

  32. @hellkell: that sounds really pretty. Is there a Tumblr or something link to a picture of the ring? I like admiring other people’s jewellry.

  33. That does sound gorgeous. Blue isn’t my best color because I have warm toned skin, but I love sapphires.

  34. RE: Winter Walker

    And while you’re at it, you can ship Creepy Tim to my building, where us gals in a kinda rough neighbourhood take zero shit in our territory. I’d bet money that my landlady’d have his testes in a jar in her kitchen inside of a week…

    God, I wish I could. I don’t even wish harm on him, since his behavior is just erratic enough that I’m not sure whether he’s honestly unwell or just some guy using deafness as a tool of manipulation. (I’m leaning towards the latter, and believe me, it pisses me off. You’re deaf, dude, but shoving someone away and then power-walking away in the opposite direction IS PRETTY FUCKING OBVIOUS.)

    RE: emilygoddess

    Do you think there’s also an element of just not bothering to expect or demand proper behavior from “crazy people”?

    I dunno about that; me and pretty much every other visibly non-neurotypical behaving person I know has had SOMEONE try and make us more “normal.” (ESPECIALLY my autistic friends. They have fucking horror stories of people trying to make them behave “normally.”) But I figure mental hospitals are often understaffed, underpaid, burned out, and incapable of giving any fucks unless something is on fire.

    RE: WWTH

    Good to know I’m not the only one who finds diamonds kind of boring.

    I honestly find precious stones pretty dull in general. I’ve always preferred plain bands, whatever they’re made of. (My current wedding band is a plain silver band with the words ‘Love Life’ and ‘BE BRAVE’ carved on it. Hubby found it in a pawn shop, and while it’s not the hundred-and-fifty-year-old gold band we first had and lost, it’s still beautiful and makes me happy.)

  35. Argenti Aertheri:

    Balarick — can you not call them “boiz”? Boi is a queer identity I’d rather not have associated with these man children.

    My humblest apologies, I assure you! I took the term from such colloquial compounds as “fanbois” that I interpreted as indicating childishness or some such quality from the contexts in which I’ve seen them used. I had no idea it was used in any LGBT+ communities, and as I always try to be cognizant of such issues and terminologies, I am embarrassed and I sincerely regret using it for this purpose.

    I keep trying to find simple ways to refer to these numbskulls without littering my prose with obscenities (not because obscenities are bad but because they get boring after a while) and without unfairly connecting these schmucks with “men,” “boys,” “children,” and others who have done nothing to deserve such unfair associations. So the search continues…. Meanwhile, I hope that you and others will look upon this as a teachable moment and not an act of bigotry.

  36. RE: balarick

    I keep trying to find simple ways to refer to these numbskulls without littering my prose with obscenities

    Macho blowhards? Smug ignorants? Misogynists? Paranoid wingnuts? The possibilities are endless!

  37. Macho blowhards? Smug ignorants? Misogynists? Paranoid wingnuts? The possibilities are endless!

    Smugnoramuses. Smugnorami? Smugnoramupodes.

  38. LBT, there’s a term from the webcomic Sluggy Freelance – ‘flaking napstitches’ – that I rather like.

    My wedding band has amethyst (husband’s birthstone) and aquamarine (mine) with a bridge of diamond connecting them. We designed them with the help of a local jeweler.

  39. Pond scum works for me. :)

  40. http://thebicker.net/post/80924870644/woman-assaulted-after-protesting-mra-group

    Anand, this is who you gave money to.
    So much for not supporting violence.

  41. Wrong thread. Oops.

  42. Psh, like Anand will read it anyway. And even if he does, he’ll insist he’s not supporting violence, he didn’t care about that money!

  43. Smugnoramuses. Smugnorami? Smugnoramupodes.

    Dear lord, not something that pluralizes like ‘octopus!’

  44. I like saying “reactionary dipshit”, personally, because it encompasses all kinds of bigotries, not just misogyny.

  45. Malidiots (malignant/malevolent idiots).

    Balarick, I think this is the first time I’ve seen your Laser Kitty Beams of Death gravatar – all hail the Furrinati!

    That “boiz” was new to me, too; I had no idea it was a word.

  46. Heh. Australian insults applicable to MRAs:

    If brains were gunpower he couldn’t blow off his hat.

    I wish you were a headache, then I could take an Aspro and you’d go away. (The Troll Special)

    One for Anand: He’s got more dollars than cents.

    Some gems from then-PM Paul Keating, about various members of the Opposition:

    He’s all tip and no iceberg.

    Slithering, mangy maggot. (About John Howard – total truth there)

    Unrepresentative swill (very true of the MRM thinking they speak for all men)

    Couldn’t raffle a duck in a pub. (Old insult – variations are “couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery” and so on.)

    Limpest performance I’ve ever seen. It was like being flogged with a warm lettuce. It was like being mauled by a dead sheep. (Apt for trolls’ attempts at insults.)

    He said all this stuff in Parliament, btw.

  47. [CN: abuse, transmisogyny]

    I was just thinking about how this dude thinks that the notion that women are afraid of male violence is absurd because that would mean that women are incapable of functioning in daily life. And yes, it’s true that he posits a false dichotomy in that women’s systematic fear of men needn’t be pathological, maladaptive, produced by anxiety disorders, etc. (Note the disablism.)

    But you know what? I actually do know women who have difficulty functioning in daily life because of their experiences with malicious, abusive people who have privilege over them. I have heard of women so severely debilitated by traumatic disorders as a result of abuse that they can barely even spend time at work without experiencing general emotional distress and panic attacks.

    I’m sure all of the trans women I know who are too afraid to leave their house because of their histories of men raping them, abusing them, shouting slurs at them, and mercilessly bullying them for being a “tr*nny” or a “f*gg*t” would LOVE to fucking hear from Mr. DavidByron2 that they are just pathetic and can’t possibly exist. Such human rights. Fucking asshole.

  48. emilygoddess: In the jewelry trade solitaire settings are referred to as, “snaggers”.

    I have a 14k Yellow/10K White four-strand puzzle ring with a round (brilliant) cut sapphire in it. The setting is low, so the ring is sort of flush. Because the bottom of the stone isn’t open the setting isn’t pierced below) it’s not as brilliant as it might be.

  49. Count me in the people who find diamonds generally rather boring, at least as rings. I don’t much like the standard designs in the jewellers’ around town; they’re clunky.

    I used to wear amethysts, marcasite and garnet jewellery back in my Goth days. Now I go for opaque minerals in plain silver – magnetite, aventurine, agate, that sort of thing. I bought a Petoskey stone ring in Chicago.

    BFF who’s marrying this month has a lab-made diamond engagement ring. When we were in Chicago we saw a ring in Cartier’s window, same design, and the only reason it looked any better was because it was under strong lights. Ha!

  50. Argenti Aertheri

    Balarick — I want to frame that with the title “how you do an apology”! I figured you just didn’t know, no worries :)

    Rings — plain silver/steel with some variety of flat shape or a low set stone with a full setting around it (no sticky uppy bits). I have a policy against jewelry that sticks in my hair!

    Smugnoramus => Smugnoramuses — noun, a smug ignoramus // ignorant person. It’s perfect.

  51. Or smugnoranus, smug ignoramus who’s full of shit.

    Ow, yeah, rings catcing in hair, painful. It’s one more reason I don’t do earrings any more – main one being any weight in the lobes is too uncomfortable, these days.

    Rings catching in knitted clothes are a no-go, too.

  52. Interesting thing at work today. Nice enough couple, looking to get their son a gift. Economising in a way that seemed at odds with presentation. Woman had a band, with stones and a 2ct, or so, snagger. Looked like pale citrine.

    Nope. Yellow diamond. Looked to have a visible flaw (or a crap setting), so it wasn’t as pricey as it might have been: like this only bigger. So… between 6-12 grand worth of ring.

  53. My favorite part of that pulp cover is the annoyed expression on the other guy’s face. He’s like “Again, Steve? You need to stop sleeping with sardines in your pocket”.

  54. Argenti Aertheri

    Pecunium — putting on airs? Idk, I can sympathize though, having dated people with money (like, the ex-fiancé’s father was a dot com millionaire) — feel completely out of place, but dressed for the role, one hopes.

    Kitteh — I haven’t worn dangle earrings since like middle school maybe? (Call it since I was 13, idk if you have middle school // junior high there). Studs and plugs for my gauged holes. And my studs are labret studs — meant for the back to be in your mouth, so pretty hair proof.

  55. Glock H. Palin, Esq –

    My favorite part of that pulp cover is the annoyed expression on the other guy’s face. He’s like “Again, Steve? You need to stop sleeping with sardines in your pocket”.

    BWAHAHAHHAHA love it!

    By the way, did you get your Welcome Package?

    Argenti – your middle and high school are all high school here; we have kindergarten, primary school and high school.

    I always preferred dangle earrings, when I could wear them; short ones just didn’t show under my hair. I’ve always worn my hair forward, to frame my face, not be drawn back from it.

  56. Some gems from then-PM Paul Keating, about various members of the Opposition:

    He’s all tip and no iceberg.

    Slithering, mangy maggot. (About John Howard – total truth there)

    Unrepresentative swill (very true of the MRM thinking they speak for all men)

    Couldn’t raffle a duck in a pub. (Old insult – variations are “couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery” and so on.)

    Limpest performance I’ve ever seen. It was like being flogged with a warm lettuce. It was like being mauled by a dead sheep. (Apt for trolls’ attempts at insults.)

    He said all this stuff in Parliament, btw.

    To give credit where it’s due, the sheep line originated with British Cabinet Minister Denis Healey, who used it to describe his political opponent Geoffrey Howe in 1978 – eleven years before Keating came out with an only very slightly modified version (Keating said “mauled”, Healey “savaged”).

  57. I’d forgotten the line about being savaged by a dead sheep – but now you mention it, I do recall having read it (probably in a book of noteworthy insults) many years ago. Savaged sounds better than mauled, too. :D

  58. The historical irony is that the dead sheep in question, Geoffrey Howe, ended up being the man whose devastating resignation speech led directly to the resignation of Margaret Thatcher a few weeks later. So I’d give dead sheep a wide berth if I were you.

  59. Ha! If that dead sheep led to Thatcher’s resignation, I’d give it the Zombie Heroism Award.

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