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Is The Mankind Initiative’s #ViolenceIsViolence video a fraud?

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The ManKind Initiative, a UK organization devoted to fighting domestic violence against men, recently put out a video that’s been getting a lot of attention in the media and online, racking up more than six million views on YouTube in a little over a week.

The brief video, titled #ViolenceIsViolence, purports to depict the radically different reactions of bystanders to staged incidents of domestic violence between a couple in a London plaza. When the man was the aggressor, shoving the woman and grabbing her face, bystanders intervened and threatened to call the police. When the woman was the aggressor, the video shows bystanders laughing, and no one does a thing.

The video has been praised by assorted Men’s Rights Activists, naturally enough, but it has also gotten uncritical attention in some prominent media outlets as well, from Marie Claire to the Huffington Post.

There’s just one problem: The video may be a fraud, using deceptive editing to distort incidents that may well have played out quite differently in real life.

A shot-by-shot analysis of the video from beginning to end reveals that the first “incident” depicted is actually a composite of footage shot of at least two separate incidents, filmed on at least three different times of day and edited together into one narrative.

A careful viewing of the video also reveals that many of the supposed “reaction shots” in the video are not “reaction shots” at all, but shots taken in the same plaza at different times and edited in as if they are happening at the same time as the staged “incidents” depicted.

Moreover, none of the people depicted as laughing at the second incident are shown in the same frame as the fighting couple. There is no evidence that any of them were actually laughing at the woman attacking the man.

The editing tricks used in the video were brought to my attention by a reader who sent me a link to a blog entry by Miguel Lorente Acosta, a Professor of Legal Medicine at the University of Granada in Spain, and a Government Delegate for Gender Violence in Spain’s Ministry of Equality. He goes through the video shot by shot, showing each trick for what it is.

The post in Spanish, and his argument is a little hard to follow through the filter of Google Translate, so I will offer my own analysis of the video below, drawing heavily on his post. (His post is still worth reading, as he covers several examples of deceptive editing I’ve left out.)

I urge you to watch the video above through once, then follow me through the following analysis.

The first “incident” is made up of footage taken at three distinct times, if not more. The proof is in the bench.

In the opening shot of the video, we see an overview of the plaza. We see two people sitting on a bench, a man in black to the left and a woman in white to the right, with a trash can to the right of them. (All of these lefts and rights are relative to us, the viewers.) The trash can has an empty green bag hanging off of it.

vv1bench

As the first incident begins, we see the same bench, only now we see two women sitting where the man was previously sitting. The trash can now has a full bag of trash sitting next to it.

vv2bench

In this shot, showing bystanders intervening in what is portrayed as the same fight, and supposedly depicting a moment in time only about 30 seconds after the previous shot, we see that the two women on the bench have been replaced by two men, one in a suit and the other in a red hoodie. The full trash bag has been removed, and the trash can again has an empty trash bag hanging off of it.

vv5benchtrash

Clearly this portion of the video does not depict a single incident.

What about the reaction shots? The easiest way to tell that the reaction shots in the video did not chronologically follow the shots that they come after in the video is by looking at the shadows. Some of the video was shot when the sky was cloudy and shadows were indistinct. Other shots were taken in direct sunlight. In the video, shots in cloudy weather are followed immediately by shots in roughly the same location where we see bright sunlight and clear shadows.

Here’s one shot, 9 seconds in. Notice the lack of clear shadows; the shadow of the sitting woman is little more than a vague smudge.

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Here’s another shot from less than a second later in the same video – the timestamp is still at 9 seconds in. Now the plaza is in direct sunlight and the shadows are sharp and distinct.

vvbright

If you watch the video carefully, you can see these sorts of discontinuities throughout. It seems highly unlikely that the various reaction shots actually depict reactions to what they appear to be reactions to. Which wouldn’t matter if this were a feature film; that’s standard practice. But this purports to be a depiction of real incidents caught on hidden camera and presented as they happened in real time.

The issue of non-reaction reaction shots is especially important when it comes to the second incident. In the first incident, we see a number of women, and one man, intervening to stop the violence. There is no question that’s what’s going on, because we see them in the same frame as the couple.

In the second incident, none of the supposed laughing onlookers ever appear in the same frame as the fighting couple. We have no proof that their laughter is in fact a reaction to the woman attacking the man. And given the dishonest way that the video is edited overall, I have little faith that they are real reaction shots.

The people who are in frame with the fighting couple are either trying resolutely to ignore the incident – as many of the onlookers also did in the first incident – or are clearly troubled by it.

I noticed one blonde woman who looked at first glance like she might have been laughing, but after pausing the video it became clear that she was actually alarmed and trying to move out of the way.

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There is one other thing to note about the two incidents. In the first case, the onlookers didn’t intervene until after the man escalated his aggression by grabbing the woman by her face. In the second video, the screen fades to black shortly after the woman escalates her aggression to a similar level. We don’t know what, if anything, happened after that.

Is it possible that the first part of the video, despite being a composite of several incidents, depicts more or less accurately what happened each time the video makers tried this experiment? Yes. Is it possible that onlookers did indeed laugh as the woman attacked the man? Yes.

But there is only one way for The ManKind Initiative to come clean and clear up any suspicion: they need to post the unedited, time-stamped footage of each of the incidents they filmed from each of their three cameras so we can see how each incident really played out in real time and which, if any, of the alleged reactions were actual reactions.

In addition to the editing tricks mentioned above, we don’t know if the video makers edited out portions of the staged attacks that might have influenced how the bystanders reacted.

The video makers should also post the footage of the incidents that they did not use for the advert, so we can see if reactions to the violence were consistently different when the genders of attackers and victims were switched. Two incidents make up a rather small sample – even if one of these incidents is actually two incidents disguised as one.

Domestic violence against men is a real and serious problem. But you can’t fight it effectively with smoke and mirrors.

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Posted on May 30, 2014, in domestic violence, MRA, shit that never happened and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 933 Comments.

  1. I have never come across a men’s rights organization or encountered an MRA who isn’t lying in some way when it comes to gender issues. They are almost uniformly dishonest. If the problems they say men face really are as widespread and terrible as they claim, then why do MRAs constantly exaggerate, distort, and misrepresent them?

  2. This makes me pretty sad. Hopefully this will spread though.

  3. cassandrakitty

    @ mmhm

    I get the impression that they assume everyone else is doing the same. Nope, guys, for women the situation is bad enough that there’s really no need to exaggerate.

  4. Gross. If I were one of the bystanders falsely depicted as laughing at the fighting couple, I’d be pissed.

    This is giving me shades of James O’Keefe.

  5. zoon echon logon

    Moreover, none of the people depicted as laughing at the second incident are shown in the same frame as the laughing couple. There is no evidence that any of them were actually laughing at the woman attacking the man.

    The “fighting” couple?

  6. This wouldn’t be the first time MRAs were taken in by something that was fake, and it won’t be the last.

    Cue 8,756 trolls to come in here and tell us shit we’ve heard before.

  7. I don’t get it, this is supposed to distract us from their frequent use of the word “mangina” ? That they can’t get let go of terms like Alpha and Beta males? Dudes, you don’t care about men in trouble, you just want to justify misogyny. Your posts are out there, we can read them. They convey your contempt at any man who doesn’t use physical violence to restrain an “uppity woman.” When men sympathize with women, you question his manhood. We know who you are.

    It’s not a secret, MRAs police both genders in an effort to humilate anyone who doesn’t perform to their satisfaction.
    Those videoes in the OP, they’re riddled with Frankenstein editing.

  8. Completely off topic, but I just looked at the weather and it’s supposed to go from 53% humidity at midnight to 87% humidity at 3 am. Yuck.

  9. Unimaginative

    It’s been raining all week here, and the rivers are pretty full, and it’s STILL not as humid as it was in New Orleans a couple weeks ago. My skin is missing the lovely, soft humidity. Itch, scratch.

  10. Shit. You’re in the U.S. northeast too? Oh, nevermind, don’t have to answer that.

    **Sigh**
    There goes my weather sensitive hair.

  11. cassandrakitty

    Am I the only person whose hair actually gets better when it’s humid? Mine is fine and curly.

  12. There are a lot of odd things about that video, besides the editing. One is that they ostensibly only stage each incident once; normal hidden-cam experiments like this do it repeatedly to get a better idea of how people react in general (just having a large group isn’t helpful because people will tend to respond how they see other people responding).

    The other is, maybe they just edited it out, but in the video they never tell people that it’s staged. That can provide interesting data as you ask people why they did/didn’t respond, but primarily it’s just not very nice to leave people thinking they witnessed actual domestic violence when they didn’t.

  13. My hair is thick. Curly at the botton, straight in top, Cassandra. **Shrug**

  14. I’m so fucking tired of these attempts to sweep the issue of gendered social dynamics under the rug under the guise of preserving a trite moral notion of “All violence is wrong.” Of course we know that. That’s like the primary presupposition underlying all anti-violence discourse.

    It was thanks to womanists and second-wave feminists that social norms and institutions began to change in favor of abused women and girls. Of course, we are nowhere near a gender utopia in which gendered violence is a thing of the past, but at least female survivors have a small amount of beneficial visibility that has helped them get shelters, hotlines, and so on.

    With that in mind, what should MRAs do? Do what feminists did. Offer political support to male victims of abuse, push for legislative reforms that benefit them, and so on. No one needs to ignore the gendered nature of violence in order to address male victims.

  15. Am I the only person whose hair actually gets better when it’s humid? Mine is fine and curly.

    I also have fine and curly hair that gets better in humid weather. The trade off is that I get rashes from boob sweat in the summer when it’s humid.

    Will talking about boob sweat be a pre-emptive troll deterrent? Lets hope.

  16. My hair isn’t really affected by humidity. I’m not sure why.

  17. cassandrakitty

    Let’s try.

    I only get boob sweat if I’m not wearing a bra (ie, if I stay in bed too late on a hot day). All hail the bra, boob sweat prevention device.

    (See, we can do both topics at once.)

  18. My girlfriend’s estranged husband walked into her house, started throwing her things in the yard, and tried to physically throw her out of the house. When the cops came, he claimed that she attacked him, and they arrested her because he had a mark on his neck and she didn’t have any marks on her, despite the fact that he did it in front of a witness who told them that he was lying. He’s a 6’3″, 190 pound combat trained veteran; she’s 5’5 and 110. She wasn’t able to see her kids for a week until they went to court where the judge ordered a mutual restraining order. He went to a shelter and got a court advocate, and because of this she was told that she couldn’t get an advocate of her own because it would be a “conflict of interest.” They only dropped the assault charge against her when he didn’t show up for court – because he was in jail for assaulting the girl he moved into the house a week after the first incident. So much for, “Cops never arrest women for domestic assault!”

  19. Unimaginative

    Boob sweat is the worst kind of sweat. It just eats through material, and it stains really badly! And on me, it makes my bras chafe, so I take them off when I’m sweaty. I take them off as often as possible, really. Yes, the girls hang low, but chafing bras being dissolved by boob sweat are even worse.

  20. cassandrakitty

    I think I like this thread better. Anyway, boob sweat! I’m not sure why I don’t get it, at least when I’m wearing a bra. It’s not as if I’m magically sweat-free in general.

    Most annoying sweat is small of the back when you’re stuck in a car in traffic sweat.

    (Is that gross enough to work as troll repellant?)

  21. zoon echon logon, I fixed that. Thanks for pointing it out.

    The other thing about this video that’s bothersome is that instead of simply trying to make the case that comestic violence against men is a serious issue, it sets up a sort of competition between DV against women and against men, and essentially suggests men have it worse because people don’t take DV seriously when they’re the victims. Why does it have to be a competition?

  22. IMO, most annoying sweat is your sexual partner’s dripping onto your face.

  23. Unimaginative

    David, right? Why can’t the MRM just come out and say, “Hey, thing is bad! Let’s stop thing” No, they have to say, “Thing is bad, but it’s EVEN WORSE for men. PS women suck. Also, give us money.”

  24. My hair’s strong and thick and mildly curly, and definitely improves in humidity. Good thing, too. That’s the only thing humidity’s got going for it afaic.

    WWTH – sympathy fistbump, I get sweat rashes in humid weather, too. Not often breast ones, thank goodness, but groin, thigh and underarm.

    cassandra – while I get breast sweat more if I do wear a bra, regardless of the weather. It can be 13C and I’ll get sweaty under there if I’ve a bra on.

    On the video: my first thought was that a name like The Mankind Initiative is almost bound to be MRA-ish shit that’s all for pretending men are oppressed as a class.

  25. [CN: anxiety attacks]

    The most unpleasant kind of sweating for me is the sweating I get when I have moderate to severe anxiety attacks. It always comes with this uncomfortable burning feeling for some reason, and it often just keeps on going and going.

  26. Ally, yuck. Is it burning like on your skin, or like you’re overheating inside?

  27. Unimaginative

    I get that too, Ally. To the point where my sunglasses fog up (when they’re on top of my head, rather than in front of my eyes), which I find really weird.

  28. Unimaginative

    I meant the sweating, not the burning. I only get a sweating/burning combo with allergies. The body only has so many ways to communicate, I guess.

  29. @kitteh

    It’s like I’m burning on the surface. It’s even worse when I’m wearing a hoodie. X_X

  30. What David said. WTF? If you’re a legitimate anti-DV toward men organisation why the fuck would you do this?

    I’m inclined to think that domestic violence, unless really really bad, tends to be uncomfortably ignored. The line at which people would intervene is going to be lower for male on female than female on male. I find it incredibly hard to believe people would laugh at female on male intimate partner violence that doesn’t look like playing.

    No matter what, this whole thing makes me super uncomfortable. We/society *need* to be more vocal about female on male domestic abuse. We also need to stop being apologists for male on female domestic abuse. And hey, gay couples exist and so does intimate partner violence in that scenario!

    This video ostensibly supports the former but positively aids male on female DV apologists. :/

  31. Urgh, that sounds worse than the hot-flash type of heat I get. I mean, worse as well as being an anxiety attack, which sucks anyway.

  32. [CN: anxiety]

    Like, here’s an example that happened yesterday.

    I was wearing an oversized hoodie, a t-shirt, and baggy track pants. Suddenly a strange man walked up to me at the crosswalk and said “Do you see dirt?” I said no, not really knowing what he said. And then he asked me again: “I mean, do you see any dirt on my face?” I just made up some bullshit about how there’s some on his face but it’s hard to notice, he can just wash it off easily if he wants, etc. At this point I felt like my skin was starting to feel like it was burning. Random spots on my body started to itch and feel sweaty, all because his unexpected questions and interactions with me were making me anxious. I kept trying to walk to this pizzeria, and then I noticed he was walking right behind me, in the exact same direction I was going. Already anxious, I suspected that he was trying to follow me, so I told myself that I wanted to walk to the pizzeria so that, if he kept following me into the place and tried to be weird with me or possibly hurt me, more people would witness it and potentially help me out. And then I took a quick turn around the corner and I lost him. I was sweating all over by then. It sucked.

  33. And that incident (along with others like it) made me feel especially anxious because of the clothes I was wearing. I deliberately wear drab, old clothing and bring my bangs all the way to the front in hopes of people ignoring me or seeing me as only a person in the background. So when people start talking to me when I’m in my look-at-me-I’m-not-worth-talking-to-so-please-leave-me-alone mental state, I freak out a lot more.

  34. That video actually makes it seem like people should feel bad for intervening in male-on-female violence, like they’re hypocrites who wouldn’t have done anything if it was the other way.

  35. Ally, yuck, that’s horrible. I’m not surprised you reacted like that, he sounds alarming at best and downright scary at worst.

    I tend to go the opposite way – white-cis-woman privilege ahoy – with wearing clothes: the only people I would expect to be negative about them are the rude subset of kids who hang around the station here; the rest of it is “If you like ‘em, fine, if you don’t, tough shit.”

  36. Another thing with that video: how do we know any of the people in closeup, or the ones intervening, weren’t part of the group doing it? This video has so much fakery in it, there’s no reason to give it any credit at all.

  37. cassandrakitty

    That video is about as credible looking as the ones with giant sharks supposedly attacking people/boats when someone just happened to be filming (fake-ity fake fake).

  38. More credible than that video: The Cats of Christmas Past.

  39. I could certainly be wrong, but I got the feeling that the people intervening in the first scene were also actors.

  40. I could certainly be wrong, but I got the feeling that the people intervening in the first scene were also actors.

    Definitely could be. There is something odd about that “someone will call the police if you carry on doing that to someone” exchange. That should be the place where he says “this is a hidden cam experiment,” but instead he just nods and says OK and is all polite and chill, as if he hadn’t just been attacking someone, and nobody seems to find that odd.

  41. grumpycatisagirl

    Someone linked to this post in the YouTube comments, and then got this reply:

    “The funniest post here. Somebody from manboobz accusing others of deception is absolutely ludicrous.”

  42. grumpycatisagirl

    On the video: my first thought was that a name like The Mankind Initiative is almost bound to be MRA-ish shit that’s all for pretending men are oppressed as a class

    Well, its Web site and Wikipedia page list Erin Pizzey as one of its patrons.

    If the organization does help male victims of domestic violence, that’s awesome, and I’d hate to knock any group that fills that need. . . but . . . er . . . some things are a bit smelly about this.

  43. There’s also a little thing called the by-stander effect that is good to take into account. Basically, when there are more people around, people feel less obliged to intervene in any situations where someone needs help.
    Not to mention I’m sure quite a few people will take into account risks and what possible consequences there are for intervening.

    Either way, if they wanted to prove a point, they should have just posted unedited videos of the staged incidents in the first place.

  44. Oh Ally, where do these people come from? He was being super creepy – I’m glad you lost him. And the physiological effects sound entirely unpleasant. :/

  45. he just nods and says OK and is all polite and chill, as if he hadn’t just been attacking someone, and nobody seems to find that odd.

    That got me, too, and I didn’t bother turning the sound on. He cooled down way too fast for a dude supposedly angry and shoving a woman around, yet nobody suspected a thing?

    Well, its Web site and Wikipedia page list Erin Pizzey as one of its patrons.

    Can anyone see my eyes? They just rolled under the desk. I’d ask Mads to get ‘em, but she’d probably give me one of her manky chewed-up bits of cardboard instead.

    What these clowns are ignoring is that the whole business of people not taking female violence seriously is part of misogyny. Women are painted as weak and violence from us as something laughable, something no man needs to fear – look at that halfwitted “female fighting methods” line in the slapping thread. So their fake video doesn’t prove the point they think it does.

  46. @wwth
    That shark photo is quite well done. Using low res to hide editing is a clever move. It’s not completely implausible that sharks would get somewhere you wouldn’t expect, but of course if it were real there would be further stories about how they got them out again.

    There was a story here recently of a woman falling into the river accidently and seconds later being bitten by a shark. Just a small one fortunately, and she was ok other than needing stitches, but it shows how sometimes implausible sounding things happen involving sharks.

  47. OT: I love how the latest Pandagon piece’s comments have turned into talk about fedoras, men’s fashion and cats’ fashion.

    I felt right at home.

  48. Erin Pizzey should step on cacti made out of Lego.

    And fuck this shit. If people don’t intervene when they see a woman attack a man (not even touching that laughing bullshit), it’s because patriarchal culture posits that men are strong and able to defend themselves, and that women are physically ineffective. It’s patriarchy that encourages people to mock men who are victimised by women because they have failed to fulfil their manly role. And whaddya know, feminism is all over that bull shit.

    I am all fucking cranky about this because you don’t need to distort this to make a point and fucking MRAs crowing as if it fucking proves them right about some bullshit theory in their heads.

    Ninja’d by all you good people. I just needed to rant. I’ve worked with DV survivors for years, I’ve been a feminist all my life and I have never dismissed violence against men and this disengenuous crap riles me right up.

  49. I’ve seen a gif set of this floating around on tumblr and the comments on it made me reeeeeeally uncomfortable. Out of the ones I saw most of them weren’t flat out anti-feminist (but some were *sigh* ) but most of them were like, “if you say you care about domestic violence but won’t reblog this you’re a hypocrite!” or “watch the women of tumblr completely ignore this post.” Now that I think about it, they’re the same kinds of comments I see every time a post about female-on-male domestic violence circulates on tumblr…

    (But tumblr is supposed to be a perfect feminist utopia right? *eyeroll* )

  50. girlscientist

    What about the statistic the video posts at the end, about how 40% of dometic violence is against men? Where do they get that? What does it mean? Are they talking about relationships in which domestic violence happens, incidents of domestic violence, percentage of men who report having been abused by a partner? How did they measure it?

  51. daintydougal

    I’m glad you’ve posted this. The whole thing smelled really off to me.

  52. One thing about statistics: they, as of right now, paint it as female-on-male violence as a recurring throughline. They ignore gay relationships, which is problematic. I have never, not once, seen a men’s group address victims of homosexual domestic violence. (I think this is only just starting to be recognized in women’s shelters as well).

    On the video: it has more cutting than a Michael Bay movie.In something like this as little editing as possible would be best; let the takes run long so it actually seems genuine and catches the details as they’re happening. As mentioned above, for all we know many of the people involved here – the intervener, the laughers – could be actors. On that note, I’d also like to point out that sometimes people do laugh when they’re not sure how to react to something, especially when it’s sudden and shocking. And yes, we don’t know what could have been left on the cutting room floor.

    Also, isn’t the video a little flawed in its depiction from the offset?

    Most DV occurs in private: abusers, male or female, aren’t silly sausages. Seeing such an attack in the day, with numerous witnesses, isn’t near common. In fact, I don’t think I’ve seen a situation like this ever happen.

  53. @ girlscientist: Well, never trust statistics you haven’t manipulated yourself, eh? :D

    @ topic: Blergh, I can’t understand how they won’t see that they are only pointing out the toxic masculinity they themselves are reproducing. This videos don’t have a little bit of “Maybe we need to rethink ingrained social beliefs that men are supposed to be superior to women in any way.” but just “BLARGh, evil wommenz are eeeeeeeeevil, groargh!”. Seriously. -.-

  54. It’s also “funny” in patriarchal societies because of the power dynamic. Like when people see kids beating up their parents, their reaction is going to be different from parents beating kids because of the power dynamic.
    I’m really tired of people thinking patriarchy means “men get EVERY benefit possible and women are forced to suffer in every way possible”.

  55. The nice thing about humidity is that humectants (glycerin, aloe, sorbitols, etc) do their job. In dry areas they actually suck the moisture out of your hair.

  56. @Toolbox:

    Most DV occurs in private: abusers, male or female, aren’t silly sausages. Seeing such an attack in the day, with numerous witnesses, isn’t near common. In fact, I don’t think I’ve seen a situation like this ever happen.

    Thank you for articulating what seemed so off to me about this video from the very start. The whole premise deviates from how DV usually goes in real life; behind closed doors, away from witnesses, “out of sight, out of mind”. The whole “didn’t see it, didn’t happen; your word against his, and we’d much rather believe him than you” mindset is part of the building blocks of a misogynistic society.

    And yes, male victims of domestic violence are often ridiculed. By men who embrace toxic masculinity. By men who believe in men being the head of the household. By authorative personalities who believe in the law of the strongest. By Paul Elam types who think men should beat women bloody for slapping them. Male victims need somebody to actually help them, not assholes who either minimize their pain and tell them to answer violence with violence, or who use them as beating sticks against women’s rights.

    Funny how the people who actually want to help male victims of DV tend to be feminist in their worldview.

  57. I always thought Tumblr was more like Middle Earth, perfectly pleasant until you have to sit through Tom Bombadil’s singing or wade through that corpse swamp.

    I’ve never been brave enough to lookup Aussie MRAs but I have to wonder if they’re still sore about the Australia Says No ads.

  58. The comments on that video are terrible. It’s either MRAs or “well men are stronger so DV on men doesn’t matter”.

  59. daintydougal

    Also, underboob sweat is icky, anxiety sweat is painful, regular sweat is meh and my hair doesn’t seem to be affected by anything. Important Updates!

  60. I did see a man attack a woman in public, once, back in the 80s. It was early morning, when I was on the way to work. She jumped out of a car, he followed her and shook her hard, yelling FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU B*TCH over and over.

    Even though I doubt it would have helped, and possibly made things worse for her, I’ve never forgiven myself for being too scared to attack that PoS with the umbrella I was carrying.

    A famous footballer and coach here, Ron Barassi, was attacked a few years ago for intervening when a man attacked a woman in public – outside a pub in a busy, popular street. RB is in his seventies; he had the courage to intervene when everyone else there was doing the bystander thing, and paid the price. I saw him a while after that happened and he looked hellish frail.

    None of this changes the fact that yes, most DV does occur out of sight, but sometimes it’s public. Fuck the people who do fakes of this sort of shit.

  61. Is it also possible that the second time around, the bystanders were largely the same group of people who had already witnessed the first incident? The same blond woman was still sitting on the curb right next to the couple, and she looked a lot less alarmed during Round 2.

    By that point, most of the bystanders had probably figured out it was either a hidden cam or some sort of street theater. Particularly since they were seeing the same couple, but with the roles reversed. That would partly explain why it got less of a reaction. I wonder how it would have played out if they’d done the female-on-male scene first.

  62. -This video is also assuming that there is gender symmetry when it comes to DV. Numerous studies have proven that there is no such thing.

    http://www.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=331

    -The statistic in the end includes familial violence, not just intimate partner violence.

    – Men and women are actually equally likely to be arrested in cases of DV and also equally likely to be convicted.

    http://www.nij.gov/publications/dv-dual-arrest-222679/ch1/Pages/findings.aspx

    All domestic violence is bad. No victim should be ignored, whether male or female, but MRAs make it look as though men are largely ignored and are receiving unequal treatment. The truth is, domestic violence in general is ignored. :(

    What they usually do is find anecdotal cases in which men suffering abuse were mistreated by police. Such anecdotal cases of women exist as well ( a lot of them, especially when women of color are affected).

    I remember when I was a kid and my father used to beat us, my mom called the cops, they came, they saw a woman and two kids in bruises and they just said “Hey,man, don’t hit your wife”, and went away. They did nothing.

  63. MRAs: can’t even do fake videos properly.

    (I’m using the umbrella term MRAs for this lot, since they seem remarkably stupid, and have Erin Pizzey onside. Damning enough … )

  64. There’s a great article on this at

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/10858831/Domestic-violence-viral-ad-the-real-difference-between-attacks-on-women-and-attacks-on-men.html

    by Polly Neate, Chief executive of Women’s Aid.

    This is an extract:

    ‘We know that it has been reported that men, up to one in six, experience some form of violence in the home in their lifetime. Mankind’s video ends by showing a statistic that 40 per cent of domestic violence is suffered by men. This figure, while it does come from the Office for National Statistics, can be misleading. It’s important to remember that domestic violence, the type of abuse where you are living in utter fear of your partner, isn’t a one-off incident: it’s about ongoing and repeated violence. Women make up 89 per cent of those who experience four or more incidents of domestic violence.

    It’s also really important to recognise that in the remaining 11 per cent, men are more at risk when they are in same sex relationships. Quite simply, proportionately very few perpetrators of domestic violence where there is ongoing abuse are female. Despite this, female perpetrators are three times more likely to be arrested than men. As men commit 96 per cent of all violent crime, it is difficult to understand why these statistics are so hard to accept.’

    So, even if the video was an accurate record of genuine events, which it is self evidently not, it’s still not truthful.

  65. I remember when I was a kid and my father used to beat us, my mom called the cops, they came, they saw a woman and two kids in bruises and they just said “Hey,man, don’t hit your wife”, and went away. They did nothing.

    All the hugs, Suzy, if you want them.

    That’s even worse than the police back in the 70s, when my brother came home drunk and attacked my mother, and broke her jaw. The police’s line then was that yeah, they could lock him up overnight, but they’d have to let him out the next morning. No suggestion that he should be charged with anything, despite the state Mum was in and the smashed glass door the shit had pushed her through.

  66. Stevie, that’s an excellent quote.

  67. girlscientist

    @toolbox:
    Most DV occurs in private: abusers, male or female, aren’t silly sausages. Seeing such an attack in the day, with numerous witnesses, isn’t near common. In fact, I don’t think I’ve seen a situation like this ever happen.

    I have seen something like this: a man and a terrified woman were arguing in the street under my window. But the street was empty, except for the couple (he seemed on the verge of striking her, and she was keeping her distance from him – in the end, he calmed down somewhat, and they walked away). I watched it happen from my apartment, with my phone in hand in case he hit her. I almost called out to her in order to ask if she wanted me to call the police, but I didn’t dare, and I didn’t know if it would cause him to calm down, turn his ire towards me or escalate his anger towards her. Now I wish I *had* asked her if there was something she wanted me to do, but at the time I didn’t know anything about domestic violence.

  68. Thank you, kittehserf! Hugs to you too.

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