When anonymous threats are not-so anonymous


When feminists are besieged with threatening messages after being targeted by Men’s Rights Activists, MRAs sometimes ask how we know for sure that the messages (or at least a good portion of them) are being sent by MRAs. And the answer is that, in most cases, we don’t, at least not beyond a reasonable doubt, because most people sending threatening messages have the good sense to do so anonymously.

So it is possible, at least theoretically, that when, say, a feminist blogger gets threatening messages shortly after MRAs start posting nasty things about her on their blogs and in their various forums, it is not MRAs sending the messages but angry ornithologists who, for no reason whatsoever, collectively decided to pick on a feminist blogger that day. Seems unlikely, but it’s possible.

Other times, though, we do know who is sending the threats, because, conveniently enough, they do so under their own name or using their MRA identity online.

That was the case, you might recall, when Australian MRA and fanatical A Voice for Men supporter Frank James Spencer, also known as KARMA MRA MGTOW, left me a creepy, vaguely threatening voicemail message one night at 1:38 AM. That was the case with many of those posting threatening YouTube comments about a certain inadvertently famous Canadian feminist.

And that was the case last night when a longtime MRA known as Masculist Man tried to post a threatening message in the comments to a post of mine about a threatening comment directed at me on The Spearhead. The Spearhead comment, you may remember, involved a weird and elaborate anal rape fantasy. I noted in my post that the comment had gotten 10 upvotes, no downvotes.

Masculist Man added his two cents (click for larger version):

Submitted on 2014/05/16 at 9:07 pm  Actually 17 upvotes,including mine. I could ask the entire manosphere to vote on this. We should have that up to 500 upvotes by morning.  Eat shit asshole

He’s probably right about the 500 upvotes. Apparently rape threats are a form of Human Rights activism.

I wrote about a ranty blog  post of Mr. Man’s some time ago, and he’s written several posts about me, or at least about someone he calls Dave Fooltrelle. I let him comment here for a time as well. He was always obnoxious, though never quite this obnoxious.

Mr. Man’s blog is called, creatively, Men’s Rights Blog. In addition to the aforementioned ranty post, it features a cartoony avatar of himself wearing a fedora and brandishing a sword, with the caption “I’ll cut ya.” As part of his “activism,” he’s put up a page of anti-feminist “memes,” many based on photos of real feminists, including me. The blog has been around since 2007.

In his profile on Blogger, he declares

I’ve been a masculist for over 20 years and have been very activist,both on and offline. I’ve debated phonies and feminists and have prevailed over both.

He lists Warren Farrell’s The Myth of Male Power as one of his favorite books, and Neil LaBute’s misogynistic fantasy In The Company of Men as one of his favorite films.

And if you follow the link to Mr. Man’s Facebook page, you can take a look at his small collection of Facebook friends, including AVFM’s Paul Elam and MRA lawyer Roy Den Hollander, as well as the groups he supports, including the National Coalition for Men, the Men’s Human Rights Movement Facebook group, and assorted anti-VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) groups.

So, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that this threatening comment came from an MRA.

About David Futrelle

I run the blog We Hunted the Mammoth, which tracks (and mocks) online misogyny. My writing has appeared in a wide variety of places, including Salon, Time.com, the Washington Post, the New York Times Book Review and Money magazine. I like cats.

Posted on May 17, 2014, in advocacy of violence, antifeminism, creepy, harassment, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, not-quite-explicit threats, not-quite-plausible deniability, rape culture, threats and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 83 Comments.

  1. CotB,
    I saw that one on MST3K. :D

    No. :o I must Google that now!

  2. Aww shucks, thanks, weirwoodtreehugger and gillyrosebee. I’m glad my drunkenness amounted to some entertainment for somebody!

    Beyond the usual entertainment of me jumping and dancing down the street while singing 99 Luftballons in the middle of the night, I mean. My drunkenness is the gift that keeps on giving, so go on and send all your alcohol to me.

    No really, I can’t get this song out of my head.

    Anyway, I must say the characterizations of male feminists on this thread have been spot-on. I know I’m always looking to get into feminist womens’ pants. They just look so comfy. Is there a second-hand shop for feminist clothes somewhere that I don’t know of?

    And yet, despite his infamy within the MRM and the seething hatred they have for him, David still doesn’t (correct me if I’m wrong!) get as many threats as the female bloggers they hate. I WONDER WHY?

    I think you’re right. As much as the MRAs hate David, they still seem to give him an amount of respect they would never give a woman. They probably figure he’s still a man, and despite being wrong about everything, his inherent maleness puts him above any female blogger anywhere. That’s how misogynistic they are: any hatred for a man who disagrees with them is still not as strong as the contempt they have for women. FeMRAs are only tolerated for as long as they don’t step one millimetre out of line.

    Still, thanks to you all for all the bad movie recommendations. Always looking for those! I’d recommend something, but hangover.


  3. @katz

    Speaking of cats, look who just arrived!

    D’awwww <3 what cute kitties!!


    There are so many bad movies to love. One of my favorites is Attack of the Killer Shrews, where the killer shrews are clearly dachshunds wearing badly-crafted shrew costumes.

    Heh. that sounds hilarious. And kinda cute :p

  4. Oh man, the Killer Shrews is quality! A great chance to play “What order will they die in?”

  5. So now I’m wondering if the Killer Shrews were ancestors of the Rodents of Unusual Size. Those teeth look familiar.

  6. Shit! All this time I’ve been paraphrasing In The Company of Men and telling people Mamet wrote it.

  7. cassandrakitty

    This one has the best theme song, though.

  8. katz,
    We play that game too! :D

  9. I saw “Lost Continent” on television waaay long time ago. It seemed like a strange movie, even from my limited frame of reference.

    That reminds me – I was singing the Rocky Horror theme (Science Fiction Double Feature) to myself recently, and realized that I’d seen every movie referenced. My sons, as far as I know, have seen none. I wonder how that will affect how they experience RHPS when they eventually see it.

  10. I thought In the Company of Men satirized misogyny.

  11. Oh never mind. I went back and read the earlier comments. That discussion has been had.

    (I’m not usually so lazy but I was out of town without my laptop for a few days [at the awesome WOMEN IN SECULARISM conference! Which was awesome] and it’s going to take me a loooong time to catch up.)

  12. Lady M,
    Dish! Tell us all about it. I’d love to hear.

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