Expat PUA blogger: “24 is super crazy, crazy old. for a girl. 17. 19. past that, if we’re going to get all about babies, is pretty sketchy.”
I couldn’t come up with a good graphic for this post, so here’s a giant chicken kidnapping a young boy.
Jakeface — not his real name — is a “Game” blogger, pushing 40, and living in Vietnam. Or visiting there? I haven’t read enough of his blog to be able to figure that out. Given that the name of his blog is “cedonulli,” which seems to be a pretentious reference to the Latin phrase “cedo nulli” ( “I yield to none”), I probably won’t be reading all that much more.
But I do know he likes Vietnam, because he’s the sort of guy who enjoys joking about having sex with “girls … so barely legal … it’s not even funny,” and in Vietnam, he says, he’s not the only one who thinks that 24-year old women are “old as fuck.”
Did I mention he’s pushing 40 himself?
Anyway, not long ago, Jakeface offered readers of his blog his deep thoughts on the subject of age, and why women over the age of 19 are already starting to look elderly to him. [Link is mildly NSFW]
He starts off by noting sadly that even in Vietnam, he still runs into Western women in their 30s who for some strange reason think they aren’t old hags.
even nice western girls are under the influence of western default cultural context. so many ridiculously illogical retarded things leave their mouths, that you can’t help but praise the heavens that you found a cultural base that still has a concept of sustainable biological imperatives.
“i’m 35 now, i’ve got my education and my career, i’m ready to settle down and have babies. why can’t i find a good man?”
it’s so hard to be jake, sometimes.
Jake apparently hasn’t found the shift key on his keyboard yet.
But he can’t blame these Western gals, he says, for being “indoctrinated by western culture,” and “so it would be unfair, short sighted, dumb to make fun of miss-35 for waiting till after the closing bell to place her bid.”
Well, just so long as Miss 35 doesn’t try to get her wrinkled claws into him:
when the same miss-35 makes some eyeballs your way though, and says “i think you’re attractive”, then things get a bit creepier.
Dude, if you’re going to write fiction, at least try to make the dialogue sound vaguely realistic.
Anyway, Jake informs us that this eyeball-making elderly lady of 35 with the world’s least creative pickup line is
like the homeless man wandering into the bentley dealer, making moves to go sit in the new continental gt. a clear case of a completely non-reality based self image. a delusion, painful to those who may have to be part of a conflicting reality. i totally get how 19 year old girls must feel, when the 65 year old liver-spotted shaking hands of the australian tourist reach for her thigh.
Yes, that’s right: when a 35-year-old woman hits on a man her age or even slightly older, she is like a 65-year-old man pawing the thighs of a 19-year-old girl.
That’s PUA math for you.
Actually, that’s the math that PUAs try to sell to their readers, and to themselves.
In reality the math that really counts for Western expats like Jakeface has to do with exploiting their relative wealth in countries where a sufficient number of women are poor enough that putting up with a PUA and his bullshit isn’t the worst option they have. In Vietnam, per capita income is a little over $1,100 (American). Per capita income in the US? About $43,000. That’s the real expat PUA math.
Anyway, Jakeface continues with his rant:
24 is super crazy, crazy old. for a girl.
17. 19. past that, if we’re going to get all about babies, is pretty sketchy.
Yeah, he really said that. Does he even believe it? Who knows? The average age for first births in the United States is 26; in the UK, it’s 30. The risks of pregnancy and giving birth over the age of 35 have been greatly exaggerated, and the vast majority of babies born to women later in life are perfectly healthy. Even if he doesn’t know any women his age who’ve had children,you might think he would have noticed the small army of female celebrities in their forties who’ve been popping out babies without either them or the babies exploding.
But Jakeface isn’t basing his conclusions here on a close reading of the medical literature, or even People magazine. Nope, as he makes clear, his opinions are coming straight from his dick and his “barely legal” obsessed brain.
who cares about what which culture says about it. that’s what my brain, freed from all the media propaganda, is finding attractive. at 24, you can already start to imagine what she’ll look like in 10 years. the outlines are set. the fantasy of youth eternal is already shattered.
24 is old-holy-fuck-you’re-countess-dracula, tell me about how life was in the 16th century.
Again, Jakeface by his own admission is almost 40.
in vietnam, that sort of age awareness seems to be the consensus, still. which makes vietnam ok in my book. it makes me think about applying for vietnamese citizenship. i want to be part of a culture that shares my innate values. a 35 year old vietnamese woman wouldn’t go “heeeey, soooo, how about some babies?” it’d be considered unfathomably rude, suggesting that my value wouldn’t allow me the choice of a 19 year old instead, that my fridge is only good for milk a solid week and a half past its expiration date.
Dude, you only have this “value” in countries where a good portion of the women don’t have good options. And you know it. That’s why you’re in a country with a per capita income that is literally 1/38th that of the United States.
and this isn’t personal, as in if you read this and you’re a 35 year old woman, i’m not making fun. i’m only talking about biological reality, and my own mating preferences. which also, mating preferences of any man with the option, and in his right mind.
Really? George Clooney, formerly the world’s most eligible bachelor, just got engaged to a 36-year-old.
it could still happen. jake might have some asian babies with a few 24 year old girls. there are two current contenders, which i’m hoping to replace with some 17 year olds, before some heat-of-the-moment questionable decisions.
it’s hard to take a step back, when you’re in the pet shop, surrounded by puppies.
For the sake of all that is good in this world, dude, do not breed. Do not saddle some poor Vietnamese teenager with your spawn.
Posted on May 13, 2014, in alpha males, creepy, entitled babies, evil old ladies, evo psych fairy tales, hypocrisy, irony alert, mansplaining, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, PUA, racism, sexual exploitation, western women suck and tagged creepy, misogyny, pick-up artists, pickup artists, PUA. Bookmark the permalink. 428 Comments.
So that, when he’s 65, he’ll be able to pay enough to keep those 19-year-olds from showing him how they feel when he “paws” at them.
I’m all for him going away and living in Vietnam (and never coming back home), but isn’t there an island somewhere they could shipwreck him on? I don’t want to foist him off into some neo-colonial, exchange-rate enabled “Indochine” fantasy land.
Tonight on “The Spawning Behavior of the Lesser American Douchebag”…
But your almost-40-hands are totally sexy to 19 year olds, of course. That certainly matches my memories of being 19. /sarcasm
When I first read this, I thought his handle was Jerkface. I think he should change it. Also, I feel bad for the people of Vietnam, especially if he becomes a citizen. (I like Gillyrosebee’s idea of an uninhabited island for him).
Also, my body didn’t get the memo that 24 was old and way past my ability to have kids. My son was born when I was 33 and at 35 I’m pregnant. Oh the misandry my poor husband endures.
Yeah, he sounds like a real prize, definitely worth forgoing education and career for.o.0
He’s old enough to be the dad of a 17 year old girl. bleh.
Jakeface: the fantasy of youth eternal is already shattered.
Gillyrosebee: isn’t there an island somewhere they could shipwreck him on?
Neverland comes to mind. As an added bonus, the Lost Boys would probably feed Jakeface to the sharks within a week for excessive whining.
Ew ew ew ew ew ew
Wow. That is some seriously nasty shit. Glad I’m well into withered hag-dom by this asshats standards…
Does this mean he’ll stop hitting on teenagers when he’s 65?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_island
There’s unique birds there, though. I think it might be better to try and convince him that women who have been born or even conceived are too old. A real Alpha Dog only fucks abstract potential babes.
It’s weird that it’s never really occurred to me until now how fucking creepy the attraction to “barely legal” is. It’s basically stating right up front that you want to have sex with a girl that you could imagine being 16 or 14. EW EW EW.
PUAs are always so ignorant about biology. This myth that the teen years are the prime time to start having babies needs to die in a fire.
It’s more dangerous for the mother.
If you want to do the evo psych thing, men should be hard wired to find twenty somethings more attractive than teens because a teen mother is at greater risk of dying or developing health problems that will impede further reproduction.
It’s not just the teen mother at higher risk. So are their babies.
PUAs need to stop trying to use biology as an excuse for being a gross pervert.
Also, if Jerkface wants to knock up multiple teen without marrying them, he might be in the wrong part of the world.
Sad trumpet.
Source: The WHO http://www.who.int/maternal_child_adolescent/topics/maternal/adolescent_pregnancy/en/
Well, this is nauseating.
This:
All I can think of is some poor, de
And maybe I can finish my thought before hitting post:
All I can think of is some poor, desperately impoverished Vietnamese teenager, trying to take care of herself and this asshole’s child, because I doubt he’d be one to take care of the children he’d father.
For a GIRL, yes. For a WOMAN, it’s just barely getting started.
And trust me, Jerkface…if you saw me at 17-19, I would not even be looking at you. I’d be speeding up, trying to get away…and no liver spots necessary. Just your sheer creepitude would do it. A guy crowding 40 is not even interesting to a girl that age. She’s looking at cute young guys. Guys HER age. NOT yours.
Ah, the eternal youthfullness, in their own eyes, of the aging pick-up artist.
It never fades as long as they have a wallet to stand on.
I lived in Northern Thailand for 3 years and saw a lot of these dudes with their creepy fetishisation of Asian women.
Am I the only person who read this hideous “so barely legal it’s not funny” bragging and thought ‘Hmm, quite likely not always legal at all, actually.”
FUCK OFF, CREEP
Sex tourism, and child sex tourism, is becoming a more and more “out” topic among MRAs. I wonder if they have any awareness of how loathsome that looks to the rest of us?
Interesting that he lists some of the puppies – I mean the female human beings – he’s buying as 17.
The US State Department lists the legal age of consent in Vietnam as 18.
It’s complicated, apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia
FUCK NOOOOO!!! I’m 19 and my DAD is 45– this PUA age logic makes my skin crawl. I guess my parents were “old” when they had me. But having had careers established before I was born certainly helps us pay for my college education….
Too bad Jerkface doesn’t see 19 year old girls as wanting education or even as people for that matter.
This age talk makes me remember a time when I was thirty, and some random teenage dude messed me on the social forum I was a member of back then. He asked me several times whether I was really as old as thirty, since I “looked hot” on my pics, and his brain apparently found it hard to process that someone could “look hot” while being several decades old. After marveling for some time over my incredibly advanced age he still decided to ask me out. Now, I’ll turn down anyone since I’m monogamously married, but even if I had been single going out with Mr “you’re so incredibly old, but still in some completely inexplicable way hot!” would not have been at the top of my list.
Still, WAY way way more forgivable to think that thirty-year-old women are super-old when you’re a teenager yourself…
Ooooh, so I just turned 24! Does this mean I’m now off the radar? Will these jerks finally leave me alone?!???!
*Shakes Magic 8 Ball*
“My sources say no.”
I mean, I can tell you some about life in the 16th century, though, if you want. Mostly about the fashions of the day in France and Italy. Maybe that would drive them off? Combination of feeeeemale fripperies and also apparently being a deathless vampire person or whatever?
Man child fears aging, latches onto sexist biotruths and regards teen girls as a vampire might a blood bank in order to escape his terror of mortality — he’s a cliche.
Well, glad I hadn’t eaten before reading this. You know, I was trying to figure out where exactly this guy is finding these underage girls to target – 17 year-olds don’t exactly have the run of the house in many of these cultures. Of course, it’s possible that he’s trolling poor communities for families impoverished enough – you know what? Not completing that thought.
In any case, this is probably a bad time to brag about predatory behavior, given some recent controversies in the area. The Republic of Korea tightened up their visa standards after they accidentally let some known child predators into the country. In the PRC, they tagged an alarmingly large numbers of public officials for soliciting or assaulting minors. Yeah, I know jackass here is pseudonymous and thinks he’s being coy, but it doesn’t take much to touch off a public outcry these days.
Btw, have you seen this blog? http://www.swedishgirlseeking.com It’s SO funny… A girl who’s basically just trolling a dating site and putting up all the conversations she has on her blog.
This one’s from page ten:
Guy: Hi, I’m _ . I’ve never known a Swedish girl. What brought you all the way to Texas?
Girl_From_Sweden: Sadly, I was exiled by the king.
Guy: Haha really? So your [sic] a bad girl, huh?
Girl_From_Sweden: Yes, I was a member of his private harem, but I got disgustingly old (25). Got a nice yearly pension of two billion Swedish krona, though. That’s almost a hundred dollars!
Guy: That’s hot. You seem like an interesting person. Wanna grab a drink? I’m not king but I’m gentlemanly.
I need a new keyboard after that. And thanks for injecting a moment of humour into the innate creepiness of the subject at hand.
@bluecat:
Same here, but the guys I knew were shitty for a different set of reasons. There were some who hunted after much younger women (though never younger than college), but most of them just gave up on even the trappings of a healthy relationship and opted for prostitutes. They weren’t ashamed of it at all – they’d talk openly about their favorite places to find hookers, individual women they’d hired, their plans to meet hookers over the weekend. One of them once even said that he didn’t trust Chinese women (whom he viewed as thieves and gold-diggers) and planned to hire prostitutes to be his “girlfriends” indefinitely.
It’s pretty common, and it gives foreigners an awful reputation. I had a girlfriend who I don’t think believed me when I told her that I’d never paid for sex. To her, that’s just what Western men did.
Sorry, it doesn’t stop, unfortunately.
I’m a short, athletic 35 yr old with a baby face, and just last year got creeped on in a mall by some 50-something asking if I was shopping for a prom dress! I told him I’d already graduated. From college. 10 years ago. You should have seen how fast he ran! I was laughing for days at that one.
I guess I should inform my 30-something sister that she’s apparently way past optimum childbearing age, according to guys who know absolutely nothing about biology. She’ll feel relieved, no doubt, to know that the beautiful, healthy daughter she gave birth to last week was a lucky fluke due to her advanced age. Her almost effortless childbirth obviously had nothing to do with the fact that she’s an all-organic health fiend who teaches maternity yoga… Sheesh.
And I love you, Clementine Rose, my precious new little nieceling!
@Andrew Johnston: Wow. Just wow. I feel kind of sick now.
Can we ship these guys to a deserted island too?
[CN: abuse]
I said it before and I’ll say it again: there is something severely wrong with your ideology when it strongly reminds me of a certain abusive predator who used to be in a “relationship” with an underage family member of mine.
I’m an alpha with a creedo
Which is I won’t cedo
And that I’ve seen through
The matriarchal lies,
shit dude,
They disguise
biological imperatives, you guys
My free mind detached from all the media’s crass pro perspective propaganda
I get 17 year old ass ( contraceptives? Have some class!)
I’m the guy in the pet-shop purchasing puppies
Perchance, those lovable fuzzy pets
Which like any man of sound mind
ill abandon
once christmas is overwhen they’re too old to be worth my timeLike 17,1
That’s like 139 in dog years!
My math is undeniable
The numbers all make sense
In the shell i have built in my head
Oh god im so afraid i dont want to die just yet
Aaaah
Sorry, that was weak. This isn’t exactly inspiring material.
Fibinachi, I thought it was awesome. Now I want to film and post a YouTube parody video of your rap as performed by “Fedora-D,” the first MRAcore rapper. :)
” so many ridiculously illogical retarded things leave their mouth…”
Aaaaableeeeeiiiiiist.
24 super crazy old. Hah! How sad, he can’t handle mature women. Boy.
@ Andrew – yes, plenty of them too. It’s a grim side of life.
I was living there when a US naval base was going to close down in the Philippines and a lot of the old ghastlies in Thailand were sitting around saying how great it would be because now a holiday in the Phillippines would be so much cheaper, as the bar beer joints would be vying for their custom.
And some of them were ALSO there for the underage girls, or the illusion of underage girls.
I was doing some stuff with a group that worked with and for sex workers (mainly language skills and health info, but also some legal stuff) and one guy turned up with a girl he wanted to marry so we could translate for him (they didn’t have a language in common).
Her papers said she was 14. We said. “We can’t help you to marry this girl”.
He was back the next day with papers saying she was 19.
If there really are any young Vietnamese hotties looking to make a quick buck, maybe we should start a fund to get them to do stuff like point at Jake’s middle-aged belly and laugh…
@Pocket Nerd: Now I want to film and post a YouTube parody video of your rap as performed by “Fedora-D,” the first MRAcore rapper.
And you’d be able to distinguish that from about 50% of rap videos… how?
@Pocket nerd: Sex tourism, and child sex tourism, is becoming a more and more “out” topic among MRAs. I wonder if they have any awareness of how loathsome that looks to the rest of us?
As I understand it, this is because we’re “Blue Pill” and therefore unenlightened.
Ah yes, me at my sexy self back when I was seventeen… and still had braces… and an acne problem…and was still self-conscious about my body so I didn’t dress to flatter myself…SO MUCH HOTTER than I am now, two days shy of 30!
I’d laugh more if it weren’t so creepy.
When my parents were living in Thailand they ran into creeps like this all the time. Oh, if only those guys could have heard the things that the local women and girls said about them when they weren’t around.
Also what the local guys (the ones who aren’t pimps) have to say. Mr C’s family lived in one of the big hubs for sex tourism for a while when he was a tweener, and nearly 30 years later he still pretty much wants to punch any white guy he sees with a suspiciously young-looking Asian girl in the throat.
Really? Is that really where you want to go with that? Because I’m gonna need a comprehensive justification of the treatment of women in your broad musical genre of choice, if that’s the case.
Oh, I’m sure he’s aiming for outright illegal, and just wangling for ways not to get caught. These pathetic saps all think that’s badass.
Interesting how the guys who like ‘em young and willing have to go to poor countries to find youngsters to sleep with if they are have any sex at all. I married at 34, but thank God my husband was a grown man, and not a perpetual adolescent.
And not just Thailand. Two friends of mine like to go to Cuba in the winters. They say that child prostitution is an increasing problem there, due to poverty and economic blockades…and specifically, old Canadians and Europeans coming there for child sex tourism. Add to that the fact that most of the barely-pubescent girls they pick on are Afro-Cuban, and you have another racist situation going on. My friends both hate those old decrepit bastards who go to prey on girls, and who count on local police to look the other way while they make kiddie porn of their grotty exploits and trade it with each other. They even brag openly on tour buses about it. Why nobody’s clobbered one of them yet is beyond me; I’m sure the local cops would be only too happy to overlook that, even more. Must be our infamous Canadian politeness. But if I were there, I’d be losing my shit all over one of these creepers for sure.
The worst part is that these guys even brag about their “conquests” (which are of course nothing of the sort) on Facebook groups for Canadians vacationing in Cuba. Needless to say, it totally ruins the vibe, not to mention the friendship and good relations Canada has with the Cubans. And heaven forfend a foreign man should innocently ask a Cuban woman for directions; then, the local machos think she’s been soliced for prostitution. It’s a major, nasty headache, and it’s getting worse.
Age of consent in Vietnam is 18.
*solicited. I CAN write, I can, I can…
Every country needs to create laws that allow these guys to be charged with child molestation even if it’s committed overseas, as long as they’re citizens of a country that does have a reasonable age of consent that’s enforced at home. It’s the only way the child sex trade is ever going to get shut down.
Speaking of which, fellow Brits, wasn’t our government supposed to be trying that for a while? Have there been any high-profile arrests yet? Because honestly, they could sweep the bars in Pattaya or Phnom Penh and pick up dozens of British pedophiles on any given night.
Amen to that. And more international co-operation for policing, too.
It is pretty funny to watch what happens when guys with this kind of attitude go to a richer country in that part of the world and suddenly discover that, oh hey, attractive women and girls from good families want nothing to do with them, in fact often don’t even want to be seen talking to them, because the assumption that “white guy in Asia” equals “creepy sex tourist” is so ingrained (and also because they keep trying to hit on women who’re way, way out of their league).
I saw a video of a sex tourist in Ukraine being taught a lesson by some of the local roughnecks, who were tired of foreign creeps polluting their country. The guy endured a very unpleasant evening. It was hard to feel sorry for him, though.
As for grizzled 24-year-olds, pfft. I had babies at 44, which means I had already witnessed all of human history. At bedtime I share with my sons vivid memories of the battle of Thermopylae.
Why yes, 24 IS super old… when you base your entire worldview on porn. ><
Every country needs to create laws that allow these guys to be charged with child molestation even if it’s committed overseas, as long as they’re citizens of a country that does have a reasonable age of consent that’s enforced at home.
Um, that’s a very dubious legal principle. Would you be happy with other countries insisting they can prosecute their nationals for actions taken in the US which are legal in the US? Should Saudi Arabia be able to prosecute its nationals if they have unmarried sex while visiting the US, for example?
A strong international agreement seems like a better route.
Also, I’m in my mid-30s, and if I even THINK about having sex without protection I get pregnant. Menopause isn’t until a woman’s 40s or 50s, dumbasses. ><
@ Phoenician
This situation is a special exception, and the policy I’m talking about was created by orgs that focus on child exploitation. I’m really not interested in playing hypothetical what if the moon was made of green cheese games with this particular issue.
Cassandra,
Seconded.
Do these guys think it’s not just pathetic to drop in such jarring, blatantly false references to the fact that they’re pursued by women and can choose from more than one at any given time to have sex with? Because I just overflow with sadness whenever I see them do that, and it happens all the time.
@ tedthefed
Not to mention the fact that the places where this is happening are to all intents and purposes brothels that serve drinks. It’s like boasting that you can order a meal when you’re in a restaurant. Good for you, being able to acquire the service that a business* exists to provide you with?
* Yes, applying the word “business” the places that sell sexual access to children makes me feel ill too.
The Philippines used to be a well-known destination for the male homosexual version of this. The government was eventually shamed into doing something about it; wonder when they’ll get around to protecting the girls as well.
The men who do things like this do not realize the contempt in which they are held by everyone else involved in the situation. The degree of desperate poverty that makes it possible is almost unimaginable for most Americans.
So far.
“George Clooney, formerly the world’s most eligible bachelor, just got engaged to a 36-year-old.”
And a good portion of the manosphere exploded, seeing this as either a mortal threat to their red pill “philosophy” (not really possible) or evidence that George has suffered a colossal lapse in judgment (most probable and soon to be evident, no doubt):
http://www.justfourguys.com/george-clooney-engaged-red-pill-invalidated/
@cassandrakitty: This situation is a special exception,
Uh-huh. You don’t see the problem with labelling one area “a special exception” and assuming that it won’t be extended to other areas? That once you carve off a ‘special provision” for something totally reprehensible, such as sex with children, it won’t be used in calling for similar provisions for things other people find reprehensible, such as maybe drug taking?
The US ALREADY has extraterritoriality provisions for this – http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2423.
I don’t like the idea. There are other ways of handling the problem on a coordinated international basis without invoking extraterritoriality, such as universal jurisdiction or international conventions You don’t get to say “we should prosecute when our citizens do X in other countries” without allowing for the likelihood that other countries might prosecute when their citizens do Y in your country.
If Saudi Arabia decides to prosecute an unmarried Saudi woman for having sex while in the US, or for blasphemy for things said while in the US, what possible argument can you bring up against it now?
@Phoenician in a time of Romans
Gosh, have slippery slope arguments ever worked well? And can we have some citations for the laws in Saudi Arabia? Not that I think there can’t be bad laws there, but your fixation on them is just weirding me out.
I’m just going to recommend that Phoenician stop digging at this point. Zie can of course choose to ignore that suggestion, but I’m guessing that if zie does so this conversation isn’t going to turn out too well for hir.
@emma: Patrick Stewart married a 36 yr old too, not too long ago. It seems like for male celebrities of a certain age, the mid-30’s are what the early 20’s used to be, concerning their taste in women. I’m not quite sure how I feel about this.
i’m only talking about biological reality, and my own mating preferences.
Yeah, buddy, I’m positive that every time you get laid, you’re making kids. That’s totally what your preferences are about. You’re not a disgusting overgrown manchild at ALL. Sure.
How did heterosexuals take over the world again?
RE: cassandrakitty
Oh, if only those guys could have heard the things that the local women and girls said about them when they weren’t around.
I can only imagine. I worked in the customer service industry, and we had pretty scathing things to say about shitty creepy customers, so I can only imagine the tales they’ve got.
RE: Phoenician in a time of Romans
And you’d be able to distinguish that from about 50% of rap videos… how?
I’m with dustedeste on this one. Seriously? Seriously.
Aww man. I guess I’m an old lady now. If only I knew how to knit.
Isn’t David Tennant the ultimate in oh noes celebrities aren’t acting the way MRAs want them to? He married a woman who’d had a kid when she was in her teens. They seem pretty happy too, just to rub in the silliness of the whole red pill thing a bit more.
Phoenician in a time of Romans,
I’m not liking the cut of your jib at all.
Yay for awesomely old-fashioned put-downs. First PUA who turns up to tell us about his creepy exploits, I’m going to call him a cad.