No one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump: MGTOWers explain why they prefer “chaste” women
Uh oh.
Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
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“…a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with.”
…hundreds? — Well, at least one can’t fault this fellow for not thinking…big.
“If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night.”
Yup. Like I said…thinking big. Hmmmm.
@Gen
The expressed is more commonly phrased as “to have one’s cake and eat it, too”. The idea behind it is that once you eat the entire cake, you no longer have it. So someone who wishes to have their cake and eat it, too is really just an entitled person who wishes for an impossible situation.
Wrote rant before seeing Random Poster’s latest trash.
Dude, just go.
Gen, in the expression, the word “have” is being used as “keep” or “save.” As eating the cake reduces the amount of cake left, you can’t both save and eat it.
That was for Random, in case that wasn’t obvious.
Thanks for the explanations, I think I get it now. But I still maintain that this eventual cakelessness is an oppressive state of affairs – damn you, physics!
Ally said it better
Amused, I liked most of your post. As someone who was a virgin past my teen years, it’s not always because the person is asexual or “trapped in a fundamentalist religion”
Gen: Ooh, idioms. I love idioms (yes, I’m strange), a lot more interesting than the random pest posting incomprehensible walls of text, eh?
The way I have heard it is, “wants to have her/his cake and eat it, too,” is supposed to mean, wants to have two different things that are incompatible. Apparently the original proverb went, “You can’t eat your cake and have it too,” which makes a little bit more sense. Literally, you cannot eat up your cake and then expect to have that cake in hand.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/magazine/20FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=0
Michael who lived directly on the beach was really really fond of the “have your cake and eat it too” idiom as applied to women who wouldn’t go out with it, which is why I brought the beach up. I can’t hear/read that idiom anymore without thinking of him, although I don’t actually think Random Poster is the same person.
Um, go out with him, not it.
If you’re referring to me, well, you’re not wrong. I wasn’t able to expound in detail upon why you’re a total ignoramus because, as the typical modern female, I had too much work to do. But you know what, you get my whole lunch hour! Enjoy.
Comparing being cheated on to being raped is fucking disgusting. Cheating on someone is a very slimy, in many cases unforgivable action; but it is sure as hell not the same as being assaulted and violated. Your choice to draw a parallel was gross and it makes me believe that you are also gross.
If you have an existing relationship with a child, and you are willing to throw that relationship away because of something their other parent did, you are an asshole. Full stop. If you can claim to love your 6 year old and then turn your back on them the next day, you couldn’t have ever loved them in the first place. This is an entirely different idea than finding out, before you form a relationship with the child, that your partner’s child is not biologically your own. At that point you are free to walk away both legally and (in my mind) ethically, if you choose.
Children who are conceived in rape deserve security and love just like any other children, whether that is from their birth mother or from different parents/caregivers. Your phrasing suggested that giving up a child who you cannot bond with is somehow the equivalent to rejecting your children who you already know well and have actively parented. It is not.
Ugh, Random Loser:
Get it through your head that rape is an attack on someone’s person and being. Being cuckolded is, at worst, an attack on someone’s ego and feelings of trust for, or, in your case, more likely feelings of ownership of, another person. The latter is, in some cases, unkind. The former is criminal and a breach of basic human rights.
Do not fucking compare them, you disgusting little turd.
RandomAsshole:
You do know that’s not a documentary, right? You’re a dipshit.
Btw, it is in its art that one can find the truth of the thinking and feeling of humanity. That said, You know how they say that women forgive but don’t forget and men dont’ forgive but they forget? Well, as a reflection of women’s relative obsessiveness as to so-called matters of the heart as compared to men, women pine over the memory of past loves so to speak much more than men. And it is age-old wisdom the entire world over that the man a woman loves the most and remembers forever and secretly desires always is the one who gave her the most sexual pleasure even if they’re not together anymore, no matter how long ago that was. Again, what self-respecting man would want to forever live in the shadow of an erstwhile rival he could never surpass eh? And even if he could equal that memory, he still has to share her affections with her recollections. Now, there are guys who can actually handle that (they mostly tend to be guys who are doing the same thing themselves) but there have always been even much more who, for various reason, don’t and can’t. For example , there was this episode of the Cheaters tv show where the oldest couple featured on the show was this poor senior citizen, a classic ‘good guy’ ala Ned Flanders who found out that his wife (also a senior citizen) was fooling around behind his back with her first boyfriend (again, another senior citizen) before him, the same unrepentant ‘bad boy’ biker who callously abandoned her and their kids decades ago the other guy kindly “saved” her so to speak (which she herself acknowledged). And that is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, I could mention literally scores, if not hundreds, of real-life accounts of women behaving badly in such a manner covering all eras of human history spanning the whole planet. Prevention is better than cure, so if a man wants to avoid forever being a number two (if youre lucky to get even that rank) or being in a three’s company (or even much more depending on how many exes she ever had) then get a mate with as few exes as possible or best of all, even no exes at all
It’s true, I would absolutely hate to be married to Kate Winslet.
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Wait, what?
Seconding. (Which means I liked most of the post, except for the generalisation).
It’s not really surprising that fat phobia and misogyny are so closely connected on this group. Hate breeds hate, and if you’ve filled one “hate bucket,” the overflow will have to go into another bucket. Body hatred, racism, etc. Basically, they will keep adding buckets to catch all the overflow, and the buckets will basically add up to “anything that isn’t exactly ME.”
Because they fail to understand the actual source of their hatred: themselves.
People who have learned to love themselves actually are capable of loving others. These poor fools haven’t got any love for themselves, and so they can’t do anything but hate others.
Also, just me being technical – Rose’s husband wasn’t even IN the movie. He was mentioned at the end, after she went to Hollywood, she married and had children. The jerk in the movie was her fiancee. And she had been FORCED into that engagement. Expecting fidelity and love from someone who was forced to be with you is an exercise in stupidity. Unless you figure Stockholm Syndrome is normal.
Elsewheres, this is referred to as a Deepity. It pretends to say so much, but really says so little, yanno?
@Michelle
No, but that’s the core of his complaint, you see? That she went on to live her life, to marry a man, to be apparently faithful and true and have a family with him?
Because she was DAMAGED GOODS, no longer a VIRGIN, no longer WORTHY of the second husband.
Because this is how RP hates women.
[citation needed]
I know that when I compare my current SO to my ex-husband I’m like “O I wish this awesome person was more like my awful ex!”. Wait a second — no, no I don’t. I generally don’t compare lovers at all, but if I am considering an ex … well, they’re an ex for a reason.
Random Pester:
1. You equated rape with being cuckolded. That is vile. Fuck off.
2. Art is great. I love art. Art can be many things. Art can make statements about reality, but art is not reality. If you want to know about reality, you need peer-reviewed scientific research. Peer-reviewed scientific research describes reality. Things that you are taking as givens that you have not proven:
a. “Women pine over …the memory of past loves much more than men.”
b. Women pine over and love the most the man who gives who the most sexual pleasure.
c. Men cannot “handle” being with a woman with too many (c2. How many is too many?) past lovers.
3. The television show Cheaters is a trash tabloid show. It is meant to bring in viewers with sensationalism. It is in the same category as the Jerry Springer Show and the Weekly World News. If you actually believe anything on that show you are just not very bright. Also, it really doesn’t prove anything (see number 2).
But you’re also the kind of person who equates being cuckolded with rape, so , it’s pretty obvious you’re not very bright.
All straight men perfectly unbiased, though. No straight man has ever compared a current/former female partner to a woman he loved the most and/or had the most pleasurable sex with!
I mean, RandomPoster likes to pretend to be objective.
But he hates all women.
No, I’m not just saying that, or inferring it from what he said.
This.
Hey David I think you should say something about the nonsense at ROK. With their article on Feminism and the Occult. It’s really a barrel of laughs.
Oh, Random Loser. You are so stupid.
Um, no. I do not pine for the guy I lost my virginity to. Nor do I think ill of him. The only time I ever think about him is when I’m trading virginity losing stories or embarrassing sex stories with friends. Because the situation was rather funny and a good story. Last I heard he was married and living in another state. He is not a romantic or sexual rival for any man I might date, unless he is extremely insecure. And who wants to be with a man who is too insecure to deal with a woman who isn’t a virgin?
LOL at you using the show Cheaters as supporting evidence. I’ve seen that show a few times. At least half of the cheaters on that show are men. What is your point?
Lawls, no, you idiot. The dude I had the best sex with ever was SO not relationship material for me, for a variety of reasons. Love was not in the equation.
What is RP even talking about? He sounds like he actually has never encountered a woman or asked a woman’s opinions in his life and has formed all his opinions on women and the world in general from movies and TV.
Well, I guess he fits in pretty well with the rest of the MRM in that regard.
Also, even though others have said it, honestly FUCK you randomposter. Rape and “cuckolding’ are not comparable. Shut your nasty little mouth. Ugh. I want to say that I can’t believe you would compare those things, but it’s clear that the MRM knows nothing about rape and only cares about rape as a talking point for why feminism is bad (an entirely wrong point, but still).
And honestly, if you think you can love a child one, day then realize they aren’t yours and your love just disappears – then you never loved or cared about your child. I mean fuck, the child didn’t even choose this. You are disgusting. You are a vile human being, and I hope someday you actually look back on things you think now with shame.
Oops. I read Random Loser’s statement as a woman pines for the man who gives her her first sexual pleasure, not most.
I have an answer for that one too though! The best sex I’ve ever had was with a hot Christian Bale lookalike. He had skills and we had great chemistry. It was what Erica Jong called the ‘zipless fuck.’
Guess what? I don’t pine for him either. He wasn’t all that intelligent or interesting. I was not interested in more than casual sex. If I ever fall in love and get married, the relationship will be about more than just sex. Manosphere dudes really like to project. They think that everyone is just as shallow as they are.
RP, well, if you saw it on Cheaters, it must be true for all women.
This should be a new internet rule, or something: if you mention something you saw on Cheaters you automatically win the argument.
Also I love how these dudes think women never get over men they had sex with or loved. I know it might not occur to you, but women are no different than men in regards to sex. Women are capable of having casual sex or even having a relationship with great sex, and having either end, and not spend their lives pining for “love lost” or “great sex lost” as it were.
I mean honestly, do we need more proof that he’s going from nothing but media? The idea that women are sentimental and never forget their first lover (or best lover) and spend their life pining for what they lost is soooo dumb.
Also lol, the other night my dad wisely explained that “women always care for the first person they had sex with.” My sister gave an ugly laugh and told him she honestly couldn’t care less about the first guy she has sex with.
Ah, men talking about women and their feelings like their exposure to pop culture and their “superior” gender makes them more knowledgeable about women than women are.
re: paternity: Isn’t there usually a window during which you can protest paternity? I can see how that kind of dispute could arise and I certainly don’t think a guy should be obliged to assume the responsibilities of fatherhood on nothing but his partner’s word.
but AFAIK, that is not the case, as there IS a legal process and window of time in which this kind of thing can be properly resolved through the court system.
That said, past a certain point… if you’ve established a relationship with the child and are probably the only father he’s ever known, biology seems a bit secondary and refusing to take care of the kid is a particularly low move. You know? If my husband had a baby with a mistress who wouldn’t or couldn’t contribute to raising it, I’d almost certainly be mad as a wet hen for awhile but I think and hope that in the end I’d pull on the big girl panties and raise the kid with all the lavish hand-me-down wardrobe stylings and benign neglect we lavish on the rest of our clan. (Some ways, I imagine that’d actually be easier than if the Other Woman stayed in the picture.)
*had, not has. I’m the family virgin, not my older sister.
It’s the Anti Godwin Equation!
Inform Lord Darkseid at once!@RandomPoster: Your way of citing TV shows and movies as evidence of your so-called points makes me think you don’t have very much experience with real life. Also, you’re an asshole and a misogynist.
Nobody is excusing women who cheat on their husbands, get pregnant from the affair and let the husband believe the child is his. That tells of serious problems in the relationship, of which a lack of trust and communication are probably the biggest ones. Here’s the thing, though: I don’t intend to have kids, but if such an accident ever happened and by some divine miracle I grew to love the child, that love would not suddenly cease to be if after a few years I came to know that I am not the biological father. My relationship with the mother would most likely change, but not sharing a biological bond with the child would not erase the years I spent watching it grow, speak its first words, take its first steps, and so on. I can’t say anything definite about what kind of relationship, if any, I would have with the mother after that point, but I would still consider myself the child’s father, biology be damned.
And also, comparing a breach of trust to a violent, deeply traumatizing crime is despicable. Did I mention you’re an asshole? I guess I did, but it bears repeating.
@Ashley
“I can just imagine guys like him trying to have the talk. “So can I have your #? Your sex partner count, that is.”
If any man should ask me that question, my reply would be, “Does rape count?”
If the answer is “yes,” then my response is “F&%# you!” because I despise rape culture, and rape is NOT sex, and way to blame the victim, jerk!
If the answer is “no,” then my response is slightly less angry, because it’s just none of your business, but at least you haven’t promoted rape. “Go away, jerk,” will suffice.
If the fellow in question has waited long enough in the conversation to show a few worthwhile qualities before asking the question, I might respond with “Anyone who cares about the partner count must be dealing with some sexual neuroses. Once you’ve dealt with them, call me. I can assure you that I am not infected with a sexually transmitted disease.” (And bonus for Mormons – “I am temple worthy.”) But that “deal with it” bit is ONLY if I think they might be worthwhile, once they get over that particular hang-up.
Also, for those Christian guys out there who think that a woman is forever tarnished/soiled/sullied/impure/ruined because she had (consensual) sex, and you actually believe that she cannot now or in the future be “pure” again, please stop denying the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Either you’re a Christian, who believes in the Atonement, or you aren’t a Christian, at all.
Women who had had sex are not licked cupcakes, chewed gum, wilted roses or boards that have had a nail hammered into them. God can, and DOES forgive, and you have no business holding previous partners against her. NO human being is an object, licked/chewed/wilted/nailed, or otherwise.
Women instinctively know that if dudebros consider them garbagedumps then said dudebros are the garbage, which is why we want nothing to do with them.
And who are they kidding, they’d fuck any woman that gave them the time of day. They know it and we know it.
Dudebros in the manosphere continually label themselves as “average”, but they are not. Most of the men I know are average and they all manage to date, marry, have a family, or not if they so choose, and manage to talk to women without hatred. All the women haters are far below average and they know it, they just want to blame women for that, too.
I have to struggle to remember the face of the first guy I slept with. Because that was 30 years ago (I am middle-aged, used up and worthless to these dudes, hooray) and honestly, a lot has happened between then and now. I have had other partners, other quick-and-fun fucks, and a long-term partner for 24 years. I really, REALLY don’t pine for that first guy. I can barely picture him.
These sexually insecure guys, who think that a woman who has had sex before will compare your sexual abilities with previous partners’ need to understand that the sexual relationship is only a PART of the relationship as a whole, and if you are a clumsy lover, but are excellent in other respects, she’ll still love you and stay.
For example, if your woman, who has gotten around and had mind-blowing sex, decides that she just looooooves the way your nose crinkles when you laugh, the fact that you are not ashamed to act silly in public, the fact that you read only vintage comic books, are anal-retentive about how the dishwasher should be loaded, but don’t give a hoot about sorting the laundry, and thinks you look adorkable in glasses is probably going to be happy to be with you, even if you don’t give her a screaming orgasm every single time. If you are a CONSIDERATE lover, clumsy can be forgiven. After all, sex skills can be learned, and a considerate lover will, over time, gain the specific skills to please the person he’s considering. Committed couples who really love each other have sex that gets better with time.
First, obviously Rose’s husband was not the same person as her fiancée. Second, I never stated that Rose was damaged goods and furthermore you drew the wrong conclusion. I stated that nobody wants to be like Rose’s husband, who despite spending a lifetime with her turned out to only ever be number two in her heart, if any number at all, compared to her ex, who she knew a week or so at most. Third, I said the it is a general rule (concede admittedly there may be exceptions) that the guy who gave a gal the most sexual pleasure ever, is her own personal all-time champion of her heart; i never said the guy the gal lost her virginity to, though of course, there are those who do memorialize forever the very first time. Fourth, art reflects life and to cite an example, romantic literature by adult women for females of all ages, from both east and west, north and south, reflects this idea ex. Twilight (Hah!) Now, women may not be as affected negatively as men at sharing their mate, since the institution of polygamy via harems is as ancient as mammalian life itself, but men are different; it takes a relatively rare type of male to engage in polygyny or what is known as the reverse-harem.
I understand, random troll, you’re terrified of being compared to other men. I dunno, maybe you should be. You seem insensitive, immoral and have terrible taste in television programs (I mean seriously, Cheaters? Good god, man, this is the Golden Age of TV and you watch Cheaters?). Maybe hiding out in the basement is a better bet for you.
You just think that nobody will ever compare and so she’ll never be happy again. Not damaged goods at all. TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
Every time I read a phrase like this I mentally change it to, “I’m pulling this out of my ass.”
There you are.
We get it, RandomPoster, you’re terrible in bed and very insecure about it. Don’t you think that either therapy or trying to become less sexually useless would be more productive than screeching at women on the internet? It’s not going to solve your underlying problem, you know.
Oh wow…now Twilight is a documentary and harems are natural. All male mammals have/had harems? Monogomy is a “Reverse-harem”?
What the ever loving fuck?
Random troll is 14. Maybe 13.
Wow, Wordsp1nner, I’m glad you had it done, but yeah, booo for the pain. Be gentle with yourself, and remember if you’re thinking about your sore genitals all day, your productivity will go way down, anyway. Better to rest up and avoid making stupid mistakes. Depending on your job, those mistakes from a lack of concentration could be very costly. Yes, even in a “woman’s work,” type of job! But, if you do bounce back in time for tomorrow, and you’re feeling chipper, then YAAAY! HUGS!
I’ve actually heard of a couple or three reasons for such a surgery being needed, so I believe you. But please don’t tell a MGTOWer, because I shudder to think of the reaction. Yikes!
Also, Katz, I hope you feel better soon, too.
RandomAsshole: turn off the tv and go outside. Or get better cable, your examples suck.
Oh for Pete’s sake.
Art does not reflect life, art reflects interpretations of life. And guess what? some people have skewed interpretations of the world around them for any of over a thousand reasons. I am a firm believer in art as a way of knowing and understanding the human condition, but each work of art examines at most a handful of facets of that condition. You might want to try some art that has not been skewed by acceptance of patriarchal norms to get an idea of what the other posters are talking about.
Ooooooh. Ick. It just occurred to me that all these guys assuming that any girl of 16 or older is not a virgin are probably thinking that having sex with an underage girl of 16 or 17 is just all hunky-dory, and shouldn’t be illegal, at all. In fact, if they’re going for virgins, and they think that 16 is the non-virgin cut-off point, then… Ewwwww, they’re pedos!
Amazingly, those few years of mental and emotional development really do make a difference, and we have age of consent laws for a real reason.
Of course, they think that all women can’t be emotionally or mentally mature, no matter the age, so, again… Ewwwww, they’re pedos!
I need some brain bleach. Bye, y’all.
Off topic, but I’m just catching up with the thread – Katz and Wordsp1nner, I hope you’re both feeling better today.
If we’re using fictional characters as evidence, I have one too.
How about Catelyn Stark from ASOIAF/Game of Thrones. She was first betrothed to Brandon Stark and really into him. Then he was killed and she was married off to his brother Ned instead. At first it was awkward, but she grew to love him and their children and was very devoted to her family. In fact, she was the one who was sort of cuckolded!
Or how about those hundreds of rom coms that feature a woman who thinks she’s in love with one man and ends up falling for the other, unexpected guy.
Does Random Loser consider Cheaters art?
This isn’t a “general rule to which there may be exceptions”:
This is just something you made up.
There is no general rule to who is the “personal all-time champion of the heart” of a woman. You would know this if you had ever talked to, you know, a woman.
Right, and there’s nothing in shifting cultural narratives that’s even slightly PROSCRIPTIVE.
Twilight is, right down to the bones, a Mormon ‘this is the right way to be a virgin’ story. Right down to the very bones.
It’s proscriptive morality, not an observation on the nature of people.
And does it strike a chord? Welp. Yes, yes, it does. By and large among people raised in Purity culture.
But, no, it’s just a totally trenchant observation that…
Oh, yeah, clearly.
@ceebarks:
IANAL but to my knowledge, generally speaking, yes there is. And I don’t know if it was clear from what I wrote, but I do think that is fair and reasonable. Once that window has elapsed, though, if you have not elected to verify paternity you are agreeing to be that child’s parent regardless of biology if you’re married (and in some other cases, depending on where you live).
PS: like, 9/10ths of the love story in Twilight comes before any sex at all. It’s sort of the point.
So the fill-in-the-blanks moral he’s pulling out of the story? About how women always love the most incredible sex they had forever and ever?
Is kinda ridiculous and stupid and stuff.
RP thinks cheaters is real?
Duuuude. That is fucking stupid.
“Reality” TV is a genre. The word “reality” in the name no way implies that what you are seeing is actually unplanned, unscripted or even kinda sorta based on a true story.
You are a vile, clueless, silly person and I can hardly believe that you expect to be taken seriously.
Now, women may not be as affected negatively as men at sharing their mate, since the institution of polygamy via harems is as ancient as mammalian life itself, but men are different; it takes a relatively rare type of male to engage in polygyny or what is known as the reverse-harem.
So your hypothetical girlfriend has to be a virgin, but you can sleep around as much as you like with as many women as you like. That’s nice.
You’re a fan of “Cheaters.” Have you ever seen an episode where the man is the cheater, and when he’s exposed the women he’s cheating on go, “Aw, that’s fine, honey bun, I’m not affected negatively. After all, as woman, we evolved not have human feelings.” Ever?
P.S. Sorry, not “women.” I mean FEEEEEEMALES
Random Pester: Are you calling Cheaters and the Twilight series art?
I once saw this movie, Poltergeist. It proves that ghosts are real. And that if you fall asleep with the television on you will open up a gateway to the other side.
I mean maybe I’m just being harsh here, dude, but maybe you should try real life examples, not examples from media. You literally have no valid theories or proof, just examples from media. That proves nothing except that media propagates age-old stereotypes about women (and men and minorities and everyone else – my point is that media works with stereotypes and again, isn’t real life).
And let’s be real here. You have no idea what you are talking about. Let’s take my mom for example a woman who has very traditional views and thoughts. She and my father divorced last year (thank god for that, they were a terrible couple and only stayed married for me and my sister) and she started seeing this guy and had GREAT sex with him. She said the only reason she dated him was the sex. Now she’s dating someone else, and guess what? She doesn’t “pine” over the guy who was great in the sack, she has better things to do with her life. As most women do.
If someone is pining over someone it’s because they never got over them, not because it’s just how women (or men) naturally are.
I love it when guys pick apart women’s porn to complain that women aren’t being aroused by the correct thing (SPOILERS: The correct thing is them). Like mainstream men’s porn is a realm of egalitarian pleasure where women are treated respectfully and valued for their inner beauty.
P.S. FEEEEMALES
There’s some good in all of us, they say. In RP’s case, he doesn’t use double period ellipses as punctuation. That’s about all I can think of.
I still have fond memories of sexing a guy years ago, after my first husband died and before I met my current husband. Great sexytimes, and absolutely not someone I would ever consider boyfriend material. Apparently, some of the women here have had similar experiences, and good for them.
RP’s bizarre comparison of rape and cuckoldry reminds me of one of the plot details in “Lady Chatterley’s Lover”. Lord Chatterley wanted his wife to get with child to carry on his line, but when he found out the child had been fathered not by a man of his own class, but by his gamekeeper, he blew a gasket.
*and anyone in between male or female or who is neither or both or a mix. Though those aren’t portrayed often enough in media, and rarely in a good light unfortunately.
Then I watched this show called Battlestar Galactica
Apparently, human life on Earth started when a bunch of people from another planet, with highly advanced technology, settled here while fleeing from killer robots that had gained sentience.
I watched a movie called The Room once. Apparently guys regularly dress up in tuxes and play football in alleyways. Also The Room is clearly a good example of the kind of media where MRM dudebros get their ideas of how women act.
Really? Twilight?
Yes, Mormon abstinence monster porn caught on, mainly among adolescents for a time. It’s flash in the pan popularity in no way tells us anything about women’s sexuality or their real feelings. Romance novels in the past were terribly cliche’ and having grown up with a romance novelist for a grandmother, I found out that that’s because there was once a formula you had to abide by to get published. Luckily, the times they are-a-chang’n.
Lids,
I have seen that documeteration and I learned so much. ;)
Damn, I go do some work and come back to a whole herd of teal deer! That I am totally going to ignore!
http://optimistfeminist.tumblr.com/post/78545089506/emilyonthewall-medieval-first-wives-club
I thought there were more, but it’s a cute drawing.
Judging from my naturalistic research,* feeeemales are quite violent in general and will constantly antagonize you by demanding you feel the wrath of Ytar.
*playing video games