No one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump: MGTOWers explain why they prefer “chaste” women
Uh oh.
Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
Posted on May 4, 2014, in a woman is always to blame, alpha asshole cock carousel, alpha males, beta males, empathy deficit, evil sexy ladies, it's science!, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, racism, reactionary bullshit, thug-lovers and tagged mgtow, misogyny, racism. Bookmark the permalink. 593 Comments.
There is a clusterfuck there indeed…
MGTOW-ers, just a thought. It’s the modern age. A rag that you keep using – that’s just unhygienic. Get yourself some tissues.
Bastard womb turd. Wow, and these guys think feminists hate children. Eesh.
What creepy-ass little fuckers. I’m so glad I married someone who doesn’t act like sex is a trophy that you have to steal from other people.
How do we fuck it away? Do we just stop functioning after having sex a certain number of times?
I should think the soil in a garbage dump would be pretty fertile, actually.
It’s as if they know nothing about biology. Which…well…
But they DO plant their seeds in garbage dumps. Unless they save it for some reason.
Alpha Widow is the name of my new rock band.
I’d say: Have you considered same-sex relationships?, but, as someone whose first partner was a virgin and was himself one, I can assure you that even if you’ve slept with no-one because you were waiting for the ideal woman of your medieval dreams, I wouldn’t open my mouth for you if you paid me to.
Wait, men don’t like to have sex with women who have sex with so many men?
Then who the fuck is getting all that icky, scary, possibly radioactive and definitely dirty spunk in these fallen women?
Oh, that’s right….guys who are not this guy.
He looks for chastity in women, but he’s going his own way never to marry again?
What does he plan to do with these women? Surely he isn’t going to fuck away their worth? If he isn’t planning on sexing these chaste ladies, why does their sexual history or prospects for good breeding (Because we’re livestock and men evaluate us by how well they can control how and when we’re bred. That’s just science, yo.) have to do with anything?
Gah! There is that weird “Women who touch men get gross and dirty. I, a man, only want women who have never touched another filthy man to touch me” thing again. That’s just all kinds of messed up.
Wait…children of single moms are “womb turds”?
Women with multiple lovers are “cum rags”. So, she’s just a plain ‘ol rag so long as she doesn’t have sex? Is that supposed to be something for girls to aspire to? Why doesn’t his sperm render a woman dirty? Is his LIQUID FUCKING GOLD TOO? 0.o
Meanwhile women are worthless unless men can use them for something? Ew…go your own way, dude. You are nasty.
Meanwhile, congrats to his ex-wife for dumping this jerk.
Aaaaaand THIS is why these guys are destined to be Forever Alone. Now, if they’d only stop kvetching about how no woman wants to schtupp them…
Emily Goddess,
I was just thinking that I plant my seeds in composted kitchen/yard waste and bunny poops. I don’t think these guys know much about gardening.
Can you imagine what a miserable existence this must be, reviling the people you so badly want to bang?
Misogynist heterosexuals, man. How the hell do they work?
This is as ridiculous as that time on a dating advice forum I go to, where there was this guy who had a long posting history of whinging about women, the military, his family, etc. and blaming them for why he can’t get laid. He once said that he wants a chaste woman and can’t stand the thought of having sex with a woman who has been with other men before him because…he was afraid his penis might come in contact with the leftover sperm from the last guy. And he’s NOT GAY, DAMMIT!!
RE: BritterSweet
because…he was afraid his penis might come in contact with the leftover sperm from the last guy.
I just told my husband this, and he basically did this but with both hands.
“That’s what CONDOMS are for, man,” is what he said. Which, seriously dude, is what you’re supposed to be doing anyway. The hell is wrong with you. Also, you realize that the vagina isn’t just some passive hole, right? It’s self-regulating. Things don’t just STAY IN THERE.
I hear your dog whistles, dude. There is that phobia that young black men are going to somehow “steal” the white man’s women again.
Wasn’t there a post earlier about white dudes thinking that women and men of color were teaming up to steal the white man’s masculinity and that’s why women voted for Obama?
What sort of racist, sexist fever dream do these dudes inhabit?
He also seems to be saying: “I’m not very good in bed and experienced women scare me, soooo all *men must be just like me: sexually inadequate and unable to have close, fulfilling relationships with women whom they view as equals. *Except young black men, who also scare me.”
WHUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Lea, well put. There seems to be some weird stealth hatred and loathing of men going on under the surface. Men are so disgusting that women are irreparably damaged by having sex with them. I guess this is why they think women are only after money.
RE: Lea
Yup, those sexual neuroses would resurrect Freud and leave him jibbering with glee!
My husband has gotten AROUND. He has banged more people than I have probably sold comics to. And you know what? Somehow, my ego handles just fine, because he chose to be in a relationship with me, which means I must be really fucking awesome.
Also, I know TONS of poly people. Somehow, they manage to keep their neuroses under control too. Eesh.
Is there anyone anywhere who thinks about ejaculate as much as straight, misogynist men?
Maybe people who breed rare animals for zoos or people who breed racehorses, but that has to be it. These guys are obsessed with semen.
Fun fact: Seeds in garbage dumps are probably how agriculture was invented.
These dumbasses need to stop thinking they can tell by looking at a woman or her vagina how many partners she’s been with. You can sometimes (but not always) tell the difference between a virgin and a non-virgin. That’s it. These guys keep thinking the vagina stretches out a little with each penis. Learn basic biology misters!
Did anyone read this as a creepy justification for adult men pursuing teenage girls. Young, attractive and chaste seems to imply 16 year old virgin to me. Gross :(
Hopefully most teenagers have the good sense to stay away from these creepers.
RE: Lea
Well, there are people out there who are really, really into it.
But nobody seems to attach as much moral importance as these guys. Seriously, I worked on a dairy farm, I saw cows being inseminated, but at least they didn’t pontificate on morality about it, just the likelihood of the cow getting pregnant.
zoon echon logon,
I don’t think they’re all that stealthy about it. It isn’t self loathing exactly though, because it is other men who are dirty and shouldn’t be ruining this boys toys by playing with them first. “Women are horrible and awful and so are the men they choose to be with because those men aren’t me” seems to be how the ditty goes.
LBT,
I also know happy poly people and plenty of happy people who were far from their SO’s first lover. I can understand the need for exclusivity in LTR’s. I cannot begin to understand the obsession with being the first and only person to touch someone. I think it is because they don’t want the other boys (or girls) to play with “their” things. Any hint of agency in a woman ruins her for these guys.
Does it involve Nazis? All my fever dreams have been involving Nazis. DO NOT READ WWII LITERATURE WHILE YOU ARE SICK, KIDS.
Yep.
They do and boy are these grown men pissed!
How would he know a woman is fertile unless she’s had a previous pregnancy? Which would require her to have had previous sex.
People who enjoy things are the worst!
LBT – and the dairy farmers actually wanted the cows to get pregnant, right? Unlike MGTOW, who, for all their obsession with fertility, don’t actually want kids or the responsibility of raising them. It’s really baffling why they care so much.
Oh my god. The talk of teenagers just reminded me of something!
Our rapist actually did grab us at sixteen, and part of it seemed to be because adults wouldn’t tolerate him, especially women. He seemed to think us pure and innocent, not like those [CENSORED]!
We got away from him by going to a Harvard high school program over the summer. He carried on constantly, bellyaching about his fears that we would meet some hot well-hung oil magnate at Harvard or something and leave him. He was seriously neurotic we’d find someone “better” than him!
My sister was the one dating him, but his bellyaching only increased when he found out that among the guys she found attractive, black guys had a pretty good representation. Suddenly he seemed convince she would meet some fabulously wealthy gorgeously nerdy black guy with glasses and dump him.
Of course, we discovered that nobody was better than him. Literally. Being alone was superior than dating him. So we dumped him for nobody. And lived happily ever after.
Seriously, what is it WITH these creepers and racism? Gross.
I am quite happy these men have chosen to go there own way, because from what they sound like online, they would only hurt those who are near them. So… Hurray for MGTOWs, I say! I will gladly support your decisions to stay away from all of us, because we kind of don’t want you around anyway! XD
RE: Buttercup Q. Skullpants
How would he know a woman is fertile unless she’s had a previous pregnancy? Which would require her to have had previous sex.
Oh, they have bullshit ideas like big boobs and blond hair = fertility. Basically, it’s them making whatever pleases their boner some evopsych sign of fertility. Women who like buttsex are showing their fertility! That kind of crap.
It’s really baffling why they care so much.
LIQUID FUCKING GOLD. Seriously, I think they’re under the impression that putting semen in someone is like licking your food before you put it in the common fridge. It’ll prove its yours and keep anyone else from touching it.
And FURTHERMORE
It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
You know how I mentioned my husband was a rake, back in the day? Well, for a while, yeah, I’m pretty sure having good sex was one of his greatest pleasures in life.
And what’s wrong with that? Why am I supposed to go, “ew, look at you, ENJOYING YOURSELF, you sicken me”? I mean, he spent a good few years trying to get better and better and more fun to have sex with… and I’m supposed to be DISGUSTED by that? Why? I’m reaping the rewards!
Also, what a surprise, this guy has never heard of feederism. What a shock.
I can think of some famous whores from history who were very highly sought after and turned out to be amazing “investments”.
http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/4-mistresses-who-changed-history
I can’t recall her name, but didn’t one king’s mistress finance his wars for him?
This MGHOW declares that all women will be “whores” if they are not controlled by men. So, yeah, these guys want a girl barely out of her first training bra to fuck, control and most likely abuse. The only men I have ever met who acted as if their wife/gf was screwing every man she could get her hands on behind his back were abusers.
TW:
Women and girls have told me of abusive men who would not allow them to shower or comb their hair, because it was a sign that she was a slut and trying to attract other men. That’s exactly how these men talk about women. They need them young and impressionable to brainwash and control them, just like those creepy cults in AZ that let old men “marry” little girls. A person has to be groomed to accept that kind of relationship as “normal”.
I hat
Blockquote>”People who enjoy things are the worst!”
Especially to have sex with, amirite?
Whenever my husband seems to be enjoying sex too much, I stop what I’m doing and say, “Show some decorum! You are ruining sex with all your gluttonous pleasure! What? You want to do it again? I told you once a month was sufficient! That’s it. I’m leaving you”.
Oh…wait…no I don’t.
It makes me thinks that sex with one of these guys would be easy to not be overly enthusiastic about.
You know who I like to cook for? People who enjoy what I cook.
My blockquote-fu is weak.
I can just imagine guys like him trying to have the talk. “So can I have your #? Your sex partner count, that is.”
They also never seem to mention the idea that these young girls they are trying to snatch away from her mother’s bosom, might grow up and want to explore what else is out there. Sure, he might be able to marry her….but how long will she stay?
(Gah that was a mistake) I hate how these guys always talk about single moms in such a bad way. None of them ever bash single dads, probably because those poor guys got screwed over by a gold digger (or something like that). But god forbid a single mom crosses your path, lest you desire a life filled with unhappiness and overall bad luck.
Emperor Justinian’s throne was saved because of Theodora, the whore he married.
I guess it’s a good thing for him that he didn’t instinctively “know” she was a bad investment.
Ick. Ick. Ick. Ick. Ick. (I wish I had something more coherent to say, but after reading those quotes, my only thoughts are: 1) Why won’t they go their own way? Really? and 2) I feel I need to bathe now.)
Oh dear, wait until the MRAs get a hold of that.
“Bastard womb turd.” Ah, the miracle of new life.
Seriously? TDG just referred to a child as a “womb turd.” That’s a pretty big humanity fail there.
Raging sexual insecurity and racism. This mister is the total package. I wonder why he’s alone.
Yup. Totally that. Who else is “young, attractive and fertile”? Certainly not any sow over the age of 21. [/sarcasm]
These guys must hang around outside of purity balls, waiting to pry those girls away from their daddies. Or fantasize about it, since they’re obviously scared to death of actually doing anything and finding out that their preconceived ideas are 100% WRONG.
“bastard whom turds” = children men won’t claim.
See children are only wonderful miracles that women should be forced to bear when men want them to. A woman’s fertility is desirable only if it is controlled by a man.
That’s funny, because I’ve been given the opportunity on numerous occasions, and never took the guy up on it. Funny dat! A woman who cannot and will not be bought. I guess I’m not really a woman after all.
I suppose it is good to see one of these guys actually admit they don’t like the idea of being compared to past partners and falling short. The thing is, most people probably have insecurities about how they are in bed and what they look like naked. It doesn’t excuse turning to bigotry. If these guys are worried they aren’t up to snuff, they could always work on being responsive to their partners and learn to communicate better. That’s probably asking way too much though.
And really, if these guys want to talk about “poor investments”, they should take a long hard look in the mirror.
I try not to psychologize online, but this sort of thing (the OP) makes me wonder how these men feel about their mothers. ‘Cause dayum this is deeply truly ick. It’s like the hetero NAMBLA, except nobody treats them like pariahs.
Well, we do, but you knew that.
bina,
LOL! Clearly, we aren’t REAL women. We’re fembots or ferrets in a David suit or something. These men who avoid women so much that they have a social club online dedicated to how much they avoid women know for reals what women are like. They are authorities on the subject. So, we must only believe we’re women. It’s a cleverly constructed illusion.
Oh snap, did I just take the red pill?
If I crap out a lion, I’ll know I did.
Robert: I’ve often wondered what the misters think of the women in their lives, if they’re somehow exempt from their “all women are awful” thinking.
These guys have no idea how to science. You have to establish if there is evidence for a claim before you can work out why it happens. They just skip over “do men prefer women who are chaste?” to “WHY do men prefer women who are chaste?”
And even through he phrased it as “is it society or biology?” they all seem to jump on the biology bandwagon. Was there much support for the society side that David didn’t quote?
@Robert: They probably think their mothers never had sex. Or at the very least that it was just once per child and she didn’t enjoy it.
Ye Gods. What a bunch of losers. I really think they’re scared of exposing their own lack of skillz in the bedroom. I shudder to think how dreary sex with one of these “men” would be.
I’m a senior woman who enjoyed a lively sex life in my wilder years with some really great guys. These alleged men sound like frightened little boys. I really hope these guys are the exceptions now.
But once they land the teenage virgin of their dreams, will any of them stay with her? Maybe a few would at least keep her around until he grows tired of her, but I have a feeling it’s “pump-and-dump” with them.
@LBT: Speaking of their feelings on kids, there’s only one time I across an article that wasn’t about how children are just the pawns of women, repulsive or their property if aborted. It was about raising a son and even then it was basically making the kid feel guilty for existing because the dad can’t “play The Game” anymore, using him to flirt with women when he’s little and encouraging him to stick his dick into any attractive female (including teachers) he can get his hands on. So basically mold the kid through guilt in your image so you can live through him.
Make sure you poop Sean Connery too, otherwise you’re still in blue pill world.
It seems like fertility, to these guys, is akin to horsepower on a sports car. Women are status objects whose primary function is to form babbys. So fertility needs to be ranked and measured on a scale, the way sports cars are, and then conspicuously not consumed. Getting a woman at peak fertility means they’re controlling something really powerful that they can extravagantly cause to go to waste and excite admiration/envy from other men. It’s similar to lighting cigars with $100 bills.
(Except that women’s fertility peaks from their early twenties to mid-thirties, after they’ve had plenty of chances to acquire vag perma-stains from other men, but never mind that silly biological detail.)
@LBT – yep, food lickers is an apt metaphor for this brand of selfishness. Basically, they want to take the first scoop of peanut butter out of the new jar, then throw the rest of it away.
The penny-dreadful cover that Mammoth used for this post is perfect: these guys are writing-writing-WRITING — and with both hands! Endless novelizing for a crusty publishing house in a hellish parallel universe. There’s a hint of the corrective piety of a religious pamphlet in “no man wants to work for what others gain for free”, something Elmer Gantry might write. They’re concentrating, making beatbox noises with their Gonzo porn vocab. Why oh why aren’t they using all this mental energy to turn on their political masters?! They’re the ones who’ve emasculated them and disenfranchised us ALL.
I know countless straight guys who talk about sex as though they wouldn’t hesitate to have sex with multiple women if they could.
That’s some quality contradiction right there. “Men have to work for sex and that’s terrible, but women can’t be giving away sex for free, that’s also terrible!”
If you take the red pill, you will most certainly crap out something, Lea…it’s Colace, remember?
People like this want to close my vagina up permanently, and I just got it surgically opened up.*
Not that they’d believe me. They ignore not-conventionally-beautiful and socially awkward girls and don’g believe women can be virgins past sixteen, so I’m probably safe.
*Not actually joking. It still fucking hurts and I’m debating going to work tomorrow.
No signs of lions or Sean Connery so far. I guess I get to stay a feminist.
Wordslnner,
Yay for your vag!
Boo for the pain!
(((Hugs))), if you want them.
Ouch, wordsp1nner — I will write you a note so you can stay home if you want.
Also, I am the lucky person who just got to meet kittehserf in person. We had fun! She’s just as hilarious in person as she is here.
(katz, we hope you’re feeling better.)
BECAUSE SCIENCE!!!eleventy!
They’re just parroting fourth hand popular evo psych horseshit to try and rationalize their sour grapes. It’s cargo cult science.
Seriously, if any of these doods could get laid, does anyone believe they’d be “MGTOW”?
Can’t they all just buy themselves Real Dolls? They’d be happier, and so would any women forced to come into contact with them.
Nice, cloudiah! Did you meet her in Australia?
It isn’t the doctor’s note–I can just call in if I need it (and if I needed a doctor’s note I doubt I’d have trouble convincing my OB.) I just haven’t decided if I’m sick enough to justify going in.
I’m just glad that all I had to do was tell my boss I was having surgery and not what kind.
OMG. David, how on earth do you handle going through the shit pile? I have my own methods too but I actually feel the slime of these crazy fuckers with every line I read to the point of having to watch other things for a while just to be able to dive right back into the shit pile.
These men are creeeeepy. Im glad I have my mouse Boogie. He restores my faith in the world.
I’m so grateful that so many men who believe ass-backwards things like “why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free SEE WOMEN ARE COWS AND THEY PRODUCE SEX MILK THAT IS THE JOKE” are kind enough to advertise it to the world, so that I know precisely who to avoid.
Viscaria,
I thought it was (cis) men who produced the most sex milk?
… I’ll get my coat.
Badum dum tssh!
Sorry to hear that you are feeling so poorly, wordsp1nner :( You too, Katz. And anyone else under the weather. *Starts ladeling soup*
*Sticks head in*
Hmm… Nope, still haven’t Gone Their Own Way, I see. Just checking.
*Leaves, muttering to himself something about false advertising*