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UK Political Donor Demetri Marchessini: Women In Trousers Are Destroying Western Civilization

Marlene Dietrich oppressing man with her trousers.

Marlene Dietrich oppressing man with her trousers.

Demetri Marchessini is a retired Greek business tycoon, living in London, and has been a major donor to the right-wing, anti-immigrant UK Independence Party (UKIP). He also has some, let’s say, eccentric views about gay people, black people, women, and trousers, views so, er, eccentric that the folks in UKIP are a little embarrassed to be associated with him. Given that UKIP is filled with bigots in all varieties, that’s quite something.

In an interview last week with Britain’s Channel 4, Marchessini expounded at length on some of his more colorful views. He told interviewer Michael Crick that marital rape was impossible, because “you can’t have rape if you make love on Friday and make love on Sunday, you can’t say Saturday is rape. Once the woman accepts, she accepts.”

He argued that there is no such thing as homosexual love, only lust, because “they go out at nights and they pick up 5, 10, 15 different partners in one night.” Even gays in committed relationships are basically just roommates who still cruise for anonymous sex partners.

And he suggested that black slaves were better off as slaves in America than they would have been living in Africa, because if they survived the passage they lived longer.

But let’s just talk about the trouser thing. Marchessini thinks women should be banned from wearing trousers, because otherwise they just might bring about the end of western civilization.

No, really.

In a 2003 polemic with the innocent-sounding title Women In Trousers, Marchessini decried female trouser-wearing as “hostile behaviour – they are deliberately dressing in a way that is opposite to what men would like.”

In his interview last week, he explained just how hostile an act trouser-wearing really is. Here’s the whole discussion, from the extended transcript of the interview he posted on his website. I’m putting some of the best bits in bold, but, seriously, the whole thing is pure gold. 

Michael Crick: You wrote this book about women wearing trousers. Explain your position there.

Demetri Marchessini: Well this is a very … there are quite a few reasons why women shouldn’t wear trousers. The point of the book, was that photographs of women on the street, they weren’t posed, women walking down the street, and the point of the book is they were all photographed from the rear, because women do not realise what they look like from the rear, they can’t see themselves from the rear. And they don’t realise how terrible they look from the rear. And this was just a series of photographs, of actual photographs of women walking by and a lot of people didn’t like this, because it’s become a political matter.

Michael Crick: So do you think women should be banned from wearing trousers?

Demetri Marchessini: Yes.

Michael Crick: What, by law?

Demetri Marchessini: They used to be, for thousands of years. Did you know that until two or three hundred years ago a woman wearing trousers would be executed? Did you know that?

Michael Crick: Well presumably you’re not advocating returning to that position?

Demetri Marchessini: No, but I am returning to thinking that this is an important matter, something to think about, whereas now they don’t think about it.

Michael Crick: And you think that women are unsuited to certain jobs?

Demetri Marchessini: Wait a minute, let’s just finish this thing.

Michael Crick: Sorry, yeah.

Demetri Marchessini: The first thing is the Bible. If you are a Christian the Bible says anyone who wears the clothes of the opposite sex is an abomination. If you’re a Christian woman you can’t be wearing trousers.

Michael Crick: I would have thought the vast majority of Christians in this country today would say that’s rubbish.

Demetri Marchessini: Well I’m sorry, they’re perfectly free to say the Bible is rubbish, but if you believe in the Bible you can’t wear trousers, it’s up to you to decide. Secondly, for thousands of years after that, it was a crime for both sexes and then eventually when they started wearing trousers, which was after the First War, there were several reasons not to wear trousers. The first is they don’t look as nice as skirts; the second is trousers don’t excite men. Only skirts excite men.

Michael Crick: Why should women dress to excite men?

Demetri Marchessini: Because that’s the only way the world is going to continue. If they don’t, then men are going to stop fucking them, you understand, and may I tell you, with great respect, that the incidence of lovemaking in Western Europe has fallen drastically.

Michael Crick: What, because women wear trousers?

Demetri Marchessini: Well I think that’s one factor. Another factor is because women work. The fact is if men don’t make love to women the Western world is going to disappear.

So Warren Farrell is angry at women for dressing (or undressing) to excite men; Demetri Marchessini is angry at them for not dressing to excite men.

Oh, and in case you’re wondering why women look so terrible from behind, Marchessini helpfully provides a link to another post on his blog which offers this explanation:

[N]ature has shaped women differently from men, and it is women who have curves, and as a result, big bottoms.  Men are more straight up and down.  It is women who are, therefore, invariably photographed for their bottoms.  Furthermore, since women have started wearing trousers, this situation has become worse.  Trousers are made for men’s bodies, not for women’s bodies.  As a result, they highlight big bottoms.  Nevertheless, women go on wearing them.

Evidently, he does not like big butts, and he cannot lie.

Big thanks to the trouser-wearing Titianblue for tipping me off to this important story.

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Posted on May 3, 2014, in a woman is always to blame, antifeminism, armageddon, boner rage, butts, creepy, disgusting women, entitled babies, evil fat fatties, evil ugly women, grandiosity, homophobia, imaginary oppression, irony alert, mansplaining, marital rape, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, racism, rape, rape culture and tagged , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 182 Comments.

  1. @wwth

    Also, given the fate of civilization is in the balance, the position on callots needs to be clarified. Do they count as pants? Do they count as skirts?

    I wouldn’t want to initiate callot-based civilization collapse by accident.

  2. And is it never winter and snowing in this guy’s mind?

    Probably not (at least more wintry than it gets in Greece or London), but obviously he also doesn’t see women’s clothing as a practical consideration.

    Generally you’d think trousers to be more revealing of the butt than a skirt. I suspect Marchessini actually has a skirt fetish, but can’t express it directly so he blathers something random about associated female body parts.

  3. @wierdwoodtreehugger

    “What kind of pants are the most misandric? Jeans? Black slacks? Pinstriped slacks? Khakis? Cords? Overalls? Big 90′s rave pants (Jenkos)? Leggings? Stirruped stretch pants from the 80′s? I wish there was a little clarification.”

    No clue. But this whole thread brings to mind that I don’t have that many pairs of pants, mostly because it’s hard to find any that both a) fit me and b) look nice. I do wear the pants I have a lot tho. I guess I’m just a misandrist at heart :p

    Wow I actually have no idea if I’m making sense, but to be fair I just woke up. Sorry

  4. Buttercup Q. Skullpants

    Silly J.J…women aren’t supposed to leave the house in winter. In fact, winter itself is misandric because it shrivels boners and makes people cover up. All women must live within 45 degrees latitude of the equator.

    It’s always hilarious when these guys equate their libido with Western Civilization and make vaguely dire, apocalyptic threats tying the future of humanity to the state of their genitalia. “If I’m not personally aroused at all times, ladies, the ENTIRE WORLD could go kablooie at any moment! Is that what you want?”

    Here are a few more gems from his blog:

    Women who have “embraced promiscuity” have become “interchangeable goods”.

    Single mothers are “naughty girls who deserve a good smack”.

    “There is also another important reason why women do not receive respect from men. That is because men only respect manly qualities, and women do not have manly qualities.”

    (Ed. note – except when they wear trousers.)

    Women and men have the same average IQ but female brains are “not able to compete” when it comes to logic.

  5. Hammer pants are the most misandric because you can’t touch this.

  6. serrana: “The real danger of trousers is that a penguin mastermind criminal might use them for nefarious ends.”

    Well, according to Marchessini, we ALL have nefarious ends.

  7. Outdoor Miner

    “…black slaves were better off as slaves in America than they would have been living in Africa, because if they survived the passage they lived longer.”

    I’m always amused by people who talk this crap as they are invariably the sort that claims they’d rather “die free than live a slave”.

  8. Marchessini and NWO should have a conversation. They both believe very strongly that women should only wear skirts, but for entirely opposite reasons. Do you think they would fight it out? “All men are aroused by pants, and that is women’s cruelty!” “No! No men are aroused by pants! And that is women’s cruelty!”

    I tell you, with great respect, that the incidence of lovemaking in Western Europe has fallen drastically.

    HAHA wow. You don’t say, dear. May I tell you, with absolutely no respect at all, that the majority of my lovemaking is done in neither pants nor skirts?

  9. Google is misandering again. The person of the day is Audrey Hepburn, who helped make boner-killing capri pants popular.


    See_how_hideous_pants_are_on_a_woman?

  10. Women and men have the same average IQ but female brains are “not able to compete” when it comes to logic.

    Because the belief that women in pants will destroy western civilization is entirely logical. :/

  11. Viscaria,
    I like that because he isn’t getting any action, he’s sure the rest of the hemisphere is going without too and it’s the fault of all these horrible women not wearing what he tells them to wear for his viewing pleasure. These guys are like cranky tots in need of a nap. Every tiny thing that does not go their way is THE WORST SHIT EVER and probably THE WORLD WILL END IN FIRE IF THEY DON”T GET THEIR WAY! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

    I say we give him a pudding cup and turn on some cartoons.

  12. Well, according to Marchessini, we ALL have nefarious ends.

    And Ledasmom wins the internetz.

  13. I like that because he isn’t getting any action, he’s sure the rest of the hemisphere is going without too and it’s the fault of all these horrible women not wearing what he tells them to wear for his viewing pleasure.

    Like so many misogynists, he can’t seem to tell the difference between himself and all other men (or at least other white men in the UK.) I dont find pants attractive on women = no red-blooded Western man finds pants attractive on women! I’m not getting laid = no one even has sex ever anymore!

  14. RE: samantha

    If you run into that kind of tech problem in the future, I recommend emailing David. A bunch of my comments got eaten by the spam filter for a while, which sometimes happens here. His email is right by the picture of his child head.

    RE: katz

    Hammer pants are the most misandric because you can’t touch this.

    *applause*

  15. So woman can’t work because it’s taking men’s jobs but if they don’t work they are leeching off men.

    Woman can’t have sex because it makes them sluts but if woman don’t have sex it makes them a bitch.

    Woman can’t wear pants because then the men aren’t aroused but if a woman wears a skirt she was asking for it because she knew it would arouse the poor menz.

    It’s almost as if they think that everything that has gone wrong in their life is the fault of the woman in the world and not because they are total twits. Surely that can’t be true…

    Off to hug something warm and fuzzy :(

  16. Wait, he’s a Greek living in London and he supports the UKIP, which is is strongly anti-immigrant. Is this a case of “I immigrated to London, but now I don’t want anyone else to move here.”?

    I wear pants pretty much 24/7 and my husband is a butt man, so he finds my big butt very attractive. He likes skirts too, but he absolutely loves the shape of my butt in a pair of tight jeans.

    Mr. Marchessini, you are a fossil from a bygone era.

  17. @Buttercup Q. Skullpants: One thing I always wonder is what do they think of widows? I know Dr. Laura and her ilk will automatically blame the woman if her husband/boyfriend abandons her.

  18. If you run into that kind of tech problem in the future, I recommend emailing David. A bunch of my comments got eaten by the spam filter for a while, which sometimes happens here. His email is right by the picture of his child head.

    @ LBT – Thanks. I will do that. The reason I thought something was wrong was because a while back my screen name suddenly became samantha ravensdaughter, which was a name I had only used on the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids board, many years ago. I had, and still have, no idea how that happened, or how WordPress got that. It is still one of several samantha variations in Thunderbird that are available to me, but it is not one I use anymore. I was able to change it back, but I was concerned that I had inadvertently screwed something up, although there was a lag between the two.

  19. So woman can’t work because it’s taking men’s jobs but if they don’t work they are leeching off men.

    Woman can’t have sex because it makes them sluts but if woman don’t have sex it makes them a bitch.

    Woman can’t wear pants because then the men aren’t aroused but if a woman wears a skirt she was asking for it because she knew it would arouse the poor menz.

    @ Sam-I-Was? They move the goal posts. If we do something that they say would make us okay with them, they have to make further conditions and reasons why we are wrong and bad. Otherwise they would have nothing to bitch about and they might have to admit that we are human persons after all.

    Oh, the horror…Oh, the HUMANITY!!!!!!

  20. Carrie Kube, I’m sure they could find a way to blame the women for that too. If she works outside the home, it would possibly be because she’s never home and doesn’t take care of him. If she works at home, then he worked himself into an early grave to support her and/or her kids (which in MRAland are only “their children” when convenient for the argument, I’ve noticed).

    Shorter version: MRAs suck

  21. emilygoddess

    “There is also another important reason why women do not receive respect from men. That is because men only respect manly qualities, and women do not have manly qualities.”

    I don’t suppose men could learn to respect non-“manly” qualities? But then he’d have to come up with another stupid excuse for misogyny.

    This guy really just vomits up every opinion like it’s universal gospel truth, doesn’t he?

    Hammer pants are the most misandric because you can’t touch this.

    I’m so glad I wasn’t drinking anything, because I literally sporfled.

    which was a name I had only used on the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids board

    Are you an OBOD member? How do you like it? I’ve been researching Druidry/Druidism and I’m trying to decide if I want to join any groups (although I think RDNA or even ADF might be more my style).

  22. The reason I thought something was wrong was because a while back my screen name suddenly became samantha ravensdaughter, which was a name I had only used on the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids board, many years ago. I had, and still have, no idea how that happened, or how WordPress got that. It is still one of several samantha variations in Thunderbird that are available to me, but it is not one I use anymore. I was able to change it back, but I was concerned that I had inadvertently screwed something up, although there was a lag between the two.

    Maybe a nice simple “I think I’m having WordPress trouble. Is everyone seeing my posts OK?” next time.

  23. Are you an OBOD member? How do you like it? I’ve been researching Druidry/Druidism and I’m trying to decide if I want to join any groups (although I think RDNA or even ADF might be more my style).

    @ emily goddess – Well, I have mixed feelings. When I was studying with them – I got my Bardic level and almost reached my Ovate – I really enjoyed them. If you are an at-home student, you get a lovely package of lessons, their journal and supplementary information. And you get a tutor who works with you on whatever level you are studying. The tutor you have at one level is not the one you have at the next level, though.

    I ultimately left because the focus changed. I was having a hard time with Christian Druids and Muslim Druids. It seemed that they were, at the time, becoming more monotheistic and more embracing of philosophies that I, personally, was uncomfortable integrating into my own spiritual practice.

    The people were wonderful and I did learn a lot. In the end, I chose to go my own way. Happily, my time with OBOD I consider to have been enlightening and fun. Worth checking out.

  24. Maybe a nice simple “I think I’m having WordPress trouble. Is everyone seeing my posts OK?” next time.

    @ katz – Sure.

  25. @Carrie Kube and Skye – yep, it”s always the woman’s fault, no matter how she ended up single. Widows probably come in for extra venom because they have the nerve to continue living off their husbands’ pension/Social Security, even though they died in military combat inside a coal mine while hunting mammoths.

    Re: the OP, whenever I hear some guy going on and on and on with a laundry list of specific requirements that must be catered to or else his attraction to women completely wilts, I don’t think “wow, that is one red-blooded manly man. BEST HETEROSEXUAL EVAR.” I think “wow, that is one finicky libido”.

    Take, for example, Grace Kelly in trousers. It takes a special kind of petulant hothouse fragility to focus on the trousers.

  26. @Buttercup Q Skullpants: And they wouldn’t like it if she followed the old Eastern Indian tradition of the wife killing herself to join her husband (the kids would go to married relatives). Or the tradition of the husband’s brother marrying his widow (unless someone else offered to..

  27. Has it ever occurred to him that maybe he just doesn’t like women’s butts in general? Which is fine, everyone is entitled to their preferences, it’s just a little weird to assume that an entire hemisphere shares them.

  28. So…. I did some, very sciencey observations today. I saw a lot of women in pants. I also saw a lot of men ogling said women in pants. I admit I enjoyed looking at women in pants.

    So this dude is full of it.

    I also know that when I wear a skirt (i.e. one of several kilts, both modern and trad), I get lots of response from women.

    From this I infer that 1: more men ought to wear skirts, and women wearing trousers is not the problem he thinks it it.

  29. Re sartory: I’m wearing a kilt to my wedding (which is in two weeks… oi.

    My father is breaking his out too (very different plaids, he has an antique Black Watch, and I’ll be wearing a US Army plaid, laid to stripe).

    I expect (all in all) to the the gaudiest person at the wedding (kilt, mess-dress with medals, sporran, kilt pin, kilt hose and flashes).

    The hora may be… interesting; since I expect they will put us in chairs and haul us about the room.

  30. @pecunium, just keep your knees together & you’ll be fine. ;-)

  31. I expect (all in all) to the the gaudiest person at the wedding (kilt, mess-dress with medals, sporran, kilt pin, kilt hose and flashes).

    Don’t forget your skean dhu. Yep, I too am off the opinion that men look damn fine in kilts.

  32. A, yes, forgot that. I have one. I’ll be wearing it.

  33. Congratulations on your wedding, pecunium!

  34. Can we modify Falconer’s (?) We Will Mock You from an older thread for our theme song (I think it mentioned a specific troll, so we could make it more general)

    Yeah, the We Will Mock You filk is my fault, but someone else mentioned it first, so I can’t really take all the blame credit.

    I don’t think I mentioned a specific troll, though.

  35. I have made a couple additions to the illustrated welcome package:The kitten is now wearing pants, and the whole thing is set on a granite countertop.

  36. katz: Very nice. I’d forgotten that granite countertops were misandry.

  37. “I tend to prefer pants because they’re warm and comfy, but now that I know they ward off misogynists I like them even more!”

    I like shorts! They’re comfy and easy to wear!

  38. Creepy Cupcake

    I prefer leggings myself. I have quite a rectangular body shape, and women’s trouser manufacturers seem to think that every female has a low waist to hip ratio and irregardless of my body weight, mine is always pretty high. The manosphere has a lot of nasty things to say about me without bringing trousers into the equation. Apparently I’m a physical mutation of feminism. My grandmother had the same shape when she was younger and she was born in the 1920s so I don’t see how this is possible.

  39. I never really wore shorts until last summer, partly so I wouldn’t have to sunscreen my legs and partly because I was a little shy about not shaving them. Turns out shorts are lovely and cool in a nasty humid Massachusetts summer. It does help that my legs have gone mostly bald in the past few years (one strip of hair down the inside of the front of the shin, tiny bit of hair on the toes and at the ankle, and that is all).
    And now, of course, there is the pleasure of oppressing Mr. Marchessini in as many ways as possible with my bepantsed butt.

  40. Isn’t it obvious? Whatever the women are wearing – that’s what is destroying civilization. Women should only wear what men tell them to – and then get punished anyway, for the border between slutty and misandrist clothing choices is an overlapping Venn diagram with a “Guilty” set encircling them all.

  41. @Ledasmom

    I didn’t wear many shorts or short skirts either, for a while. Thought that was cuz I was really self conscious about my legs, I thought they were too fat. :/ But the past two years I’ve been wearing them lots and really love them, they’re especially great for me because I have, like, 0 heat tolerance.

  42. I know this thread is probably mostly commented out, but I had to come back because I can’t stop thinking about about Mr Women-wearing-pants-are-destroying-civilization. I just wanted to say that he makes me sad that I don’t live in the UK, because I would totally love to get a group of friends together to follow him around in public, wearing pants. When he looked our way, maybe we could bend over and waggle our be-pantsed behinds at him. And take photos of his outraged face. Just to flaunt our civilization destroying powers.

    I also wanted to say how much this blog makes me appreciate that I’m fat, middle aged, have short hair and a bunch of cats. I’m sure it would completely mystify the Misters that I’m married, and got married less than a year ago.

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