Quiz: Who said “Sluts are just whores in training?”

MRAs also like to remain anonymous when they make terrible jokes

Misogynists also like to remain anonymous when they make terrible jokes

Time for a little quiz!

Who posted comments online in which he (or she) declared that:

“Sluts are just whores in training.”

“Women look at 2 bulges on a man, one in the front of the pants or second one in the back pocket. Whichever one is bigger, they can do without the other.”

“What’s the most used line in Arkansas: daddy get off me you are crushing my cigarettes.”

Female college students are “sororostutes.”

Women expect special treatment because of their “golden vajay jays”

Khloe Kardashian is “black by injection.”

Your choices are:

Oprah

Paul Elam

Redditor “NaggerPlease”

Arkansas Circuit Judge Mike Maggio

So who was it? Let’s work through the alternatives. Unsurprisingly, it’s not Oprah; while she has referred to “vajay jays” she has not, as far as I know, referred specifically to golden ones, and the rest of the comments really don’t match her views at all.

Perhaps a little surprisingly, it’s not Paul Elam either, though he has many terrible opinions about sluts and whores.

NaggerPlease, meanwhile, is just a name I made up because it seems like the sort of “edgy” borderline-racist name some dude on Reddit would come up with. It turns out there actually is a NaggerPlease on Reddit, though they haven’t posted anything.

So, yep, the correct answer is actually Arkansas Circuit Judge Mike Maggio, who was recently outed as a regular commenter on a Louisiana State University fan message board called Tiger Droppings.  Say hello, Mike!

Arkansas Judge Mike Maggio: An oddly cheerful cauldron of hate

Arkansas Judge Mike Maggio: An oddly cheerful cauldron of hate

Using the name “geauxjudge,” Maggio posted what seems to have been an endless stream of racist, misogynistic, homophobic and otherwise offensive comments on the board — many of them worse than the small sampling I’ve posted above. He also revealed confidential (alleged) details of an adoption hearing involving actress Charlize Theron. (For more of the comments and the gory details, see here and here.)

He’s now under investigation for all of this; revealing the alleged details of the Theron case were apparently quite a serious ethical violation.

In the wake of the outing, Maggio has withdrawn from a race for appellate judge and has offered up a rather impressively half-assed apology for his terrible comments:

I take full responsibility for the comments that have been attributed to me.

That’s a weirdly indirect way to admit you wrote the comments.

I apologize deeply for my lapse in personal judgment and for that, I have no excuse. The comments posted were not acceptable.

Well, it was a bit more than a lapse. It was lapse after lapse after lapse after lapse. But at least this sounds like an apology.

These comments are not a reflection of who I am.

Uh, how are the comments you just took “full resposibility for” not a reflection of you? Who are they a reflection of? Not-Me, the naughty ghost from The Family Circus?

During my life, I have prided myself in treating all fairly and with respect, both personally and professionally. … I ask for both yours and God’s forgiveness.

… for the “lapse” that isn’t really a reflection of who you are.

My actions are not indicative or illustrative of the conservative political philosophy of which I hold dear.

Huh. Then why does so much of it line up so precisely with the anti-woman, anti-gay and racist dogwhistle rhetoric of the far right today?

It is a shame that the politics of personal destruction take precedence along with the win at all costs mentality that results in the disjunction.

Uh, are you really using your alleged APOLOGY for your bigoted statements to attack the people who pointed out your bigotry? Do you not understand the concept of an apology?

At this time, in light of the pain I have caused to my family, friends, supporters, the Judicial Branch, and the public, I have requested that the Secretary of State remove me from the ballot.

I would ask you to respect my family’s need for privacy so we can being the healing process of forgiveness.

I think in order to merit forgiveness you have to actually stop being an asshole. Or at least make an effort in that direction.

Men’s Rights activists often complain that they are locked out of the political system in “gynocratic” America. But here is a gentleman who seems to share 90% of their ideology and who, pending the result of an investigation of his comments, is actually in a position of some real power within the system.

And like most MRAs I’ve ever dealt with, he takes no real responsibility for his shit when he gets called on it.

Embrace Mike Maggio, MRAs. He’s your poster boy. He’s you.

Note: Thanks to Pecunium for pointing me to this story.

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Posted on March 12, 2014, in are these guys 12 years old?, evil sexy ladies, evil wives, evil women, gynocracy, homophobia, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, nonpology, paul elam, playing the victim, racism, rape jokes, sexual abuse, sluts, whores and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 110 Comments.

  1. Abstinence has an asterisk next to it and then below it says ‘N/A because of paternity fraud.’ What? What does that mean? You can’t not have sex because then you will get made a dad anyway? I don’t get it.

    And why would condoms and vasectomies still be options then?

  2. leum: I think he’s trying to Cajunize “go.”

  3. “Geaux” doesn’t mean anything in french. It’s just pronounced as “go”.

  4. Ninja’d

  5. some guy is holding a sign about reproductive choices and the women’s choices side is full of stuff I can’t read because the cop is in the way, but the men’s side says condoms, bankruptcy (wha?) invasive surgery (getting your tubes tied is actually more invasive than a vasectomy, but okay) prison, suicide (another wha?) credit, something else I’m forgetting, and abstinence. Abstinence has an asterisk next to it and then below it says ‘N/A because of paternity fraud.’

    I’m pretty certain that David did a post about this. sometime ago. Either that or it cameup on an old thread. Anyone else remember it?

  6. titianblue, if you search for “toronto rally” in the search box you’ll get David’s posts about that event.

  7. J.J.:

    Heh, yeah, MRAs (men’s rights activists) and PUAs (pick-up artists) are not well known for their logic. They think paternity fraud and sperm-jacking are very common things, so even if a man uses a condom or remains abstinent, he could still be named the father of some woman’s child and have to pay big bucks in child support for the rest of his life. That’s where the bankruptcy comes in. They don’t really care that vasectomy is less invasive than tubal ligation, because tubal ligation is something women have done and, yeah, they don’t give a shit about the risks or invasiveness of a procedure when it’s women getting the procedure.

    Suicide is probably listed because that’s another MRA talking point. Men commit suicide at a higher rate than women (women attempt suicide at a higher rate than men, but that doesn’t count because women aren’t really depressed and suicidal, they’re just looking for attention. Yeah, this is how they think). They don’t really do anything about it, like advocating for suicide prevention measures, more funding for mental health, volunteer for hotlines, etc. They more just like to use it as a stick to beat up feminists online with. There are a couple issues that MRAs are pissed about that are real issues (suicide, male victims of rape, etc) that they don’t actually do anything about.

    The red pill is a whole ‘nother can of worms. It’s based on The Matrix, when Neo had the choice of taking the red pill (that would reveal the hidden truth) or the blue pill. Red pillers think they have discovered the hidden, non-PC truth about the relationship between men and women. Basically, women want to have sex with manly “alpha” men while they’re young and pretty, but once they turn into old hags (which, according to a lot of Red Pillers is the ripe old age of 25, or earlier) they “hit the wall” and look for some poor “beta” man to trick into marriage.

    Sorry for the wall o’ text. You can search the archives for these things and get more info.

  8. Sparky, I liked the wall of text. Also liked the archives. Especially where these red pill men think that they can train women like dogs! And can we not, with the alpha and beta? That’s for wolves, and I’m pretty sure that’s been debunked anyway.

    Also saw the posts about the Toronto rally. My Sociology 101 class probably has more people in it than that showed up for that. This amuses me.

    Thanks for giving me an introduction to the topic.

  9. Buttercup Q. Skullpants

    Most of the people I’ve met who’ve gone to LSU are lovely, but the dudebro alumni are the broiest bros who ever bro’d.

    Judge Mikey is more like the breauxiest breaux who ever breaux’d.

    What’s extra appalling about this is that this isn’t some angry, sweaty, spurned college kid typing out revenge fantasies in the basement. This is an adult man holding a respected office, serving the public trust, and acting as a pillar of the community. And a judge, no less – someone who is supposed to be fair, impartial, and even-handed in applying the law. It makes me wonder how many right wingers lead secret double lives behind their bland Family Values masks, and how much of their viciousness is really an attempt at misdirection so no one will notice how repulsive their own morals are.

  10. It makes me wonder how many right wingers lead secret double lives behind their bland Family Values masks, and how much of their viciousness is really an attempt at misdirection so no one will notice how repulsive their own morals are.

    It’s actually my standard assumption that, the more of an upright pillar of the community one appears to be, the more evil, cruel, and vindictive one actually is.

  11. About the RedPill movie:

    It’s being produced by Cassie Jaye, an independent feminist filmmaker who has produced several notable films. She has spent quite a bit of time hanging out with and filming the AVFM crew. On the movie site she suggests that she’s ended up “challenging her own beliefs” but I don’t know what this means.

    She is certainly open to non-MRA input on the film, and I’ve been in contact with her. She isn’t done filming. I would suggest contacting her, expecially if you have a personal story to tell about how these guys have affected you — if you’ve been harassed by MRAs, etc. Don’t treat her as an enemy.

    House Mouse Queen, I would *really* strongly suggest you get in touch with her, since you’ve been following them for such a long time. Send her links to some of your favorite videos that you’ve made about them.

  12. It is a shame that the politics of personal destruction take precedence along with the win at all costs mentality that results in the disjunction.

    The hardest sentence I’ve ever had to decipher.

    Yeah. I know we’ve talked about outing before, and I’ve been persuaded it’s a bad thing, one which will be more painful to more vulnerable populations. That isn’t gonna stop me from getting some schadenfreude from this, though.

    Cases like this aren’t as much “outing” as they are investigating a crime though.

  13. Oh OH! Sperm Jacking! Funny story, well stories I guess, but other sex workers have told me clients TAKE THEIR USED CONDOM WITH THEM. Hahahahahaha hahahahahaha. It’s never happened to me, but man. If it did I would die laughing.

  14. You can’t fool me, hookergal. It’s a well-known fact that sex workers are only in the trade because:

    1. Spermjack clients.
    2. Have their babies. Or possibly cruelly abort their babies.
    3. ????
    4. Retire to a life of eating bonbons and cashing child-support payments.

    This is true of ALL sex workers, of every gender. At all times. There are no exceptions.

  15. Judge Mikey is more like the breauxiest breaux who ever breaux’d.

    What’s extra appalling about this is that this isn’t some angry, sweaty, spurned college kid typing out revenge fantasies in the basement. This is an adult man holding a respected office, serving the public trust, and acting as a pillar of the community. And a judge, no less – someone who is supposed to be fair, impartial, and even-handed in applying the law. It makes me wonder how many right wingers lead secret double lives behind their bland Family Values masks, and how much of their viciousness is really an attempt at misdirection so no one will notice how repulsive their own morals are.

    Bingeaux. (Sorry, I had to!)

    I never cease to marvel at how such asinine jerks even manage to get into law school, never mind onto a bench. What diploma mill churned HIM out, I wonder?

  16. I never cease to marvel at how such asinine jerks even manage to get into law school,

    I expect he went to the same law school as MIKE.

  17. MIKE wearing flip flops DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH, Mike?

    Wait, what is it with people named Mike lately? Hmmmm…

  18. “Especially where these red pill men think that they can train women like dogs!”

    well, you can train humans, the younger the better, with dog training techniques. you know, patience, positive reinforcement. plenty of interaction & firmness about boundaries.

    & when they get out of line, grab their throat & show your teeth. :-)

  19. cassandrakitty

    …No. Do not grab a child’s throat.

    (Yes, I know it was meant as a joke, but it’s really not funny.)

  20. Don’t even grab a dog’s throat. Jesus, the things that need to be pointed out.

  21. cassandrakitty

    Yeah, that too.

  22. I’ll just leave this nugget from the MGTOW forums here:

    “Again, no good man would ever choose to reproduce with and start a life with an older woman who’s been with a lot of men sexually. It is plain disgusting! The DNA that was transferred to their bodies via all of the bad boy semen that they take in over the years actually becomes a part of their body! And when the good ol’ beta chump mans up and decides to have a kid with one of these *****s, their kid actually has the DNA of all of those alpha badasses that she loved so much back in her younger, sexier years.”

    – Tucson Tarantula Hawk

  23. The fail, it burns!

  24. So human reproduction. Add it to the list of things MRAs fail to understand.

  25. That is guy is full of fail. If DNA really had those kinds of transitive properties, we’d be living in some sort of sci-fi distopia.

  26. The DNA that was transferred to their bodies via all of the bad boy semen that they take in over the years actually becomes a part of their body!

    Wha? That’s not how that works at all.

    You might as well say that disease is caused by imbalances in the bodily humours.

  27. cassandrakitty

    So, in this theory the lining of the vagina is porous and it just kind of absorbs DNA, which then somehow end up leeching into a woman’s eggs? Tucson, dude, I love sci-fi, but it’s not real.

  28. Marge: The police have such a strong case against Homer! Mr. Burns said he did it, they found his DNA on Mr. Burns’ suit.

    Lisa: They have Simpson DNA; it could have come from any of us! Well, except you, since you’re a Bouvier.

    Marge: No! No, no. When I took your father’s name I took everything that came with it, including DNA!

  29. On another note, that’s why DNA testing takes so long. You have to weed out all the stray DNA other people leave in someone’s body every time they have contact with someone else’s fluids.

  30. Even if DNA and sex worked that way, wouldn’t sticking one’s dick in a vagina full of alpha sperm also transfer the alpha DNA to said dick? You could gain alpha traits just by getting laid!

  31. It really is like humours and disease. I wonder if this guy thinks skin is permeable too? They thought that in the 17th century and were pretty careful about bathing – it was for restoring the balance in a body that was too dry, ‘cos that water gets through the skin, y’know!

    Hmm. If the body is that fragile, I must have a lot of cat DNA floating around in me. All those scritches, all that cat hair …

  32. emilygoddess – I thought only alphas got laid ever anyway? And wouldn’t alpha DNA recognise a lowly beta dick and refuse to have anything to do with it?

  33. The DNA that was transferred to their bodies via all of the bad boy semen that they take in over the years actually becomes a part of their body! And when the good ol’ beta chump mans up and decides to have a kid with one of these *****s, their kid actually has the DNA of all of those alpha badasses that she loved so much back in her younger, sexier years

    Cats, dude, you’re thinking of cats. Female cats retain the semen of male cats they’ve mated with (though only for a short period of time) and that is why a cat can have a single litter of kittens with multiple fathers, because kittens aren’t twins. Each egg is released separately and fertilized separately. Just because one species can do that (okay, I think that’s what happens with sharks, too), does not mean that’s how the human reproductive system works.

    Sheesh. The more I read, the more convinced I am that PUAs and many MRAs are honest to Dog just a bunch of twelve year olds whose parent’s opted them out of health education.

  34. No, no, no. Men can’t absorb stray DNA through their penises, because men are human beings, not strange porous mutant sci-fi creatures like women.

    Human beings just don’t just absorb other people’s DNA. That’s just silly.

  35. I’m now imagining a sci-fi story that goes past the whole Precious Bodily Fluids thing … aliens (cunningly disguised as women) sucking all the nutrients from teh poor menz via the PV interface. The victims are left just empty skin, rather like the Damendorf Man.

  36. Ooh, or like that Star Trek episode with the monster that sucked all the salt out of a person’s body:


    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Trap

  37. Heh. I bet that Star Trek alien is just how the dudebros see women.

  38. “Again, no good man would ever choose to reproduce with and start a life with an older woman who’s been with a lot of men sexually. It is plain disgusting! The DNA that was transferred to their bodies via all of the bad boy semen that they take in over the years actually becomes a part of their body! And when the good ol’ beta chump mans up and decides to have a kid with one of these *****s, their kid actually has the DNA of all of those alpha badasses that she loved so much back in her younger, sexier years.”

    Wow. Not only does this duderino have the weirdest notions about older women’s sex lives, he also has no idea that vaginas are 100% self-cleaning. Meaning, NOBODY’s semen lasts more than 10 days, max, in there.

    Biology: Learn some.

  39. Typical “conservative” response (and I use that word, ‘conservative’, loosely, as guys like him aren’t “conserving” much more than their own money and power) — a half-assed apology, claiming that his words don’t reflect him, and then asking for forgiveness while showing no real sign of change. Reminds me of the way G. Todd Baugh, the “judge” who sentenced Stacey Rambold to 30 days in jail for the statutory rape of Cherice Moralez when she was 14 — which resulted in her killing herself when she was 16, before Rambold even went to trial. So, she was already dead, by her own hand (and a gun, if memory serves), and the “judge” had the temerity to say in open court that “she was in as much control of the situation” as Rambold was, and that she was “mature for her age” — a classic pedo-response.

    And, of course, when he realized that the rest of the world was actually paying attention to the unconscionable words that he uttered — not to mention his heinous sentence of 30 days! — words were just coming out of his mouth, and he had no idea what was happening, but still defended his judgment of 30 days.

    So, apparently, either Montana has a “judge” who succumbs to fits of blackouts combined with uncontrolled expressions of misogyny and pedophile-sympathy (which, of course, have no basis in his own thoughts and feelings), or he’s a misogynist ass. Which seems more likely?

    I know this is really off topic, but it just really stank of the same formula response: These words came out of my mouth [or fingers, in "judge" Maggio's case] but they have absolutely no connection to who I am as a human being (so to speak); now, God’ll forgive me, so all I need is for you to do the same.

    Yeah, no god I’d believe in.

    Unbefuckinglievable.

    (Fun fact: “Unbefuckinglievable” is an example of “expletive infixation”!)

    PS: Am I the only one who’s bothered by the fact that “geaux” in French (despite not being a French word) would be pronounced as [ʒo] (or, if the letter ezh doesn’t show up on your browser, {zho}, with the first consonant (zh) pronounced as the “s” in ‘leisure’ or ‘treasure’)? This isn’t exactly a criticism of Maggio, as this is an LSU thing, but I spent a year and a half in a highly immersive French class, and I’m pretty sure that if these people wanted a word that sounds like the English “go” but had a French spelling, “gau” or “gaux” would actually suit their purposes (as [go] rather than [goʊ], as in English, but close enough!).

    Then again, maybe Cajun French observes different orthographic (or writing) rules.

  40. Regarding his, “During my life, I have prided myself in treating all fairly and with respect, both personally and professionally. … I ask for both yours and God’s forgiveness.

    and…

    “I would ask you to respect my family’s need for privacy so we can being the healing process of forgiveness.”

    Nope…

    He can pride himself all he likes, but being fair, in fact, requires that one be able to be evenhanded in how one deals with others.

    It’s possible he has done that, but from his statements (and the known cases of unfair decisions he has handed down from the bench) his sense of fair and the mandates of the law have not been in harmony.

    As to the “healing process of forgiveness”, good luck with that. He’s made a public mess; that requires the public to forgive him, and I don’t see any need to do that; pending an actual apology, and some sense that he’s offering redress.

    Because I forgiveness isn’t automatic. If you hurt me, I get to decide what counts as the required level of reparation before I consider the offense repaired.

    This came up at a panel I was on this past weekend (it was about Codes of Conduct, as regards sexual harassment at SF/F conventions). Someone in the audience said that l’Affaire ReaderCon was because the victim wouldn’t accept the offender’s apology. Which is bullshit. That line of argument puts all the power in the hands of those who cause harm (be it by design, or accident). If the person who commits the assault gets to define the terms of repair then they get define what counts as, “legitimate” assault (i.e. it’s only offensive if they refuse to aplogise).

    Which is poppycock. I, as the offended party, get to define what counts as sufficiency of apology. A larger organisation has the right to decide what level of response they take, but no one gets to tell me that an apology is adequate if I don’t agree (we were also told we were against people flirting/having fun/getting laid; given that one of the other panelists and I had a very flirtatious relationship; based on meeting a year ago; at that con… we laughed at the idea).

    So the judge is shit out of luck if he thinks I am going to forgive and forget, just because he pretends mouthing the words (and invoking his religions magic words) is enough to make me shut up about what a shit he is.

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