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Saturday Night Live takes on Men’s Rights Activists in Not-Actually Funny Skit

SNL's MRA and his soon-to-be-ex Venezuelan girlfriend

SNL’s MRA and his soon-to-be-ex Venezuelan girlfriend

So this is … interesting. Last night, Saturday Night Live did a sketch, featuring guest host Lena Dunham, about Men’s Rights Activists. Alas, it wasn’t actually funny, or particularly on the mark, and it was kind of, sort of, maybe, a little bit racist (well, ok, a lot), but it did at least give a pretty good impression of what people in the real world think of the MRAs we know and loathe so well. I can’t embed it here, so go take a look at it on Hulu.

The folks in the Men’s Rights subreddit are up in arms about it, and have started not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, but six threads on the subject. (There may be more; that’s all I noticed.) Well, it’s not often they get this much attention, so I guess their excitement is understandable.

Given that the sketch was actually pretty crappy in a lot of ways, the MRAs did have some legitimate complaints to make against it — like the fact that the women in the sketch mocked the MRA character for being an unattractive loser. But naturally the Men’s Rights Redditors managed to undercut even this perfectly reasonable criticism by attacking the women in the sketch for being uggos. (Oh, misogynists, why do you hate Lena Dunham so much?) Here’s a rather delightfully ironic snippet of the discussion:

SNL manages to misinterpret MRA arguments, shame man who are less physically attractive than others by implying they are somehow lesser, says that all MRAs are only MRAs because of bad love experiences, and accuse the MRHM of being pro-life, which is a blatant lie. (hulu.com)  submitted 7 hours ago by Feminists_Are_Jelly      29 comments     share     source     save     hide     give gold     report     hide all child comments  sorted by: hot navigate by: submitter | moderator | friend | admin | IAmA | images | popular | new you are viewing a single comment's thread.  view the rest of the comments →  [–]MockingDead 16 points 6 hours ago (27|11)  A bunch of unattractive unfunny women impugning a man for being not an apex male.      permalink     save     source     save     give gold     hide child comments  [–]ugly_duck 5 points 5 hours ago (16|11)      A bunch of unattractive unfunny women impugning a man for being not an apex male.  Imagine if the genders were reversed.      permalink     save     source     save     parent     give gold  [–]Grubnar 6 points 4 hours ago (12|6)  I am trying ... and I can't. Men are not usually judged by their attractiveness, but by their wealth.

Indeed, I’ve rarely seen irony so thick as in the outraged comments of MRAs in these threads. Here’s another angry Redditor:

Ruwanimo 132 points 14 hours ago (207|75)  I just saw the sketch and am speechless. I am beyond insulted as a male and heartbroken that flagrant sexism and shaming is OK. I can't even imagine how it would look if the genders were reversed.

Heavens! Sexism and shaming! MRAs NEVER engage in either of those things!

Oh, wait. That’s pretty much the entire basis of their movement.

Ruwanimo, you say you can’t imagine how it would look if the genders were reversed? You don’t have to imagine. All you have to do is go to the Men’s Rights subreddit, or A Voice for Men, or any other prominent (or not-so-prominent) Men’s Rights site. Or you could read through the Man Boobz archives. Ta da! Literally hundreds — make that thousands — of examples of MRAs directing “flagrant sexism and shaming” at women. (Also note: this shaming is directed at women, not only at feminists, whereas the SNL skit directed its shaming only at MRAs, not at men in general.)

You’re welcome!

The AgainstMensRights subreddit is also all over this thing, though they’ve limited themselves to four threads — here, here, here and here, which is where I found that first discussion I screenshotted.

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Posted on March 9, 2014, in alpha males, entitled babies, evil ugly women, hypocrisy, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reddit, ugly feminists, virgin shaming and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 268 Comments.

  1. Wow another MRA page has posted a link to your blog…..go figure https://www.facebook.com/UN.WHO.AmnestyiInternational.Shamed?fref=ts

  2. Yay bras! I love bra talk!

    I used to find bras really uncomfortable until I learned about the various types of bra-construction and boob shapes. It’s so hard to find real talk about breasts on the internet. On the internet, all boobs are round and perky and upward-facing if you know what I mean and my breasts have never been any of those things so basically I just tried bras on at random, the uglier and more-covering the better because clearly the best I can hope for is to hide them, right?

    Anyway I found some blogs that talk frankly about what sorts of bras fit what sorts of breasts without judgement or shame or assuming the only types of breasts worth talking about are the kinds found on fashion models and have used that to find some really cute and comfy bras in my size (38 GG or H). My favorite such blog is brasihate.blogspot.com.

    My favorite bra brand is Cleo, they have a really great size range and their bras are all cute and colorful and they give me a really good shape. I wasn’t aware my girls could look like that anymore.

    Anyway, yay bras.

  3. Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, but as far as sketches making fun of (certain kinds of) feminists go, Portlandia’s book store owners Toni and Candace clearly fit the bill. And I’m pretty sure Carrie Brownstein is herself a feminist.

  4. I’m always fascinated by the way that people associate ceasing to wear a garment that prevents breasts from moving and moulds them into shapes that are considered more beautiful/less sexually provocative than their natural state with hating men.

    Good point!

    part of me is terrified at the thought of something bound to my chest all day and making me itchy and sweaty.

    I think most people learn to tune out their bra, just like we do with the rest of our clothing. It’ll probably feel weird at first, since you’re not used to wearing them, but I imagine it’ll become normal.

    OTOH, if your breasts stay smaller and all you need is nipple coverage, those tank tops with the built-in “shelf bra” are handy. I can even get away with them (or so I like to think), and I’m a C-D cup.

    here’s a sanitary-stuff factoid: they get slapped with the 10% GST (goods and services tax) here, because the government that introduced the tax decided they’re cosmetics.

    o.O

  5. deniseeliza, does that brand have a lot of hard to find sizes? I’m a 34 or 36 G and it’s so hard to find bras in my size. Most large cup sizes are 38 band size and above.

    I sincerely hope no trolls are reading us talk about our breasts!

  6. deniseeliza: Thank you for posting that! I just learned a lot about which bras were best for my shape.

  7. @weirwoodtreehugger

    I sincerely hope no trolls are reading us talk about our breasts!

    Bra discussions are a Man Boobz tradition for a reason: they either scare away trolls because it’s a “womanly” topic or they just make trolls too bored to want to stick around. So talk about bras and breasts to your hearts content! =P

  8. deniseeliza, does that brand have a lot of hard to find sizes? I’m a 34 or 36 G and it’s so hard to find bras in my size. Most large cup sizes are 38 band size and above.

    Yeah they do. Most of their styles are available in bands 28-38 and up to J cup: http://www.panache-lingerie.com/en/products/list/cleo-by-panache

  9. here’s a sanitary-stuff factoid: they get slapped with the 10% GST (goods and services tax) here, because the government that introduced the tax decided they’re cosmetics.

    TW: blood and messiness.

    What does it say about me that the first thing that popped into my head is a mass protest in the form of hundreds of menstruating women going to parliament WITHOUT their pads and tampons, and bleeding all over every available chair? Would human blood stains be treated the same as, I dunno, lipstick smears?

    If not enough women are menstruating on the same day, I guess they could fake it. In fact, get that blue water they use for maxi pad commercials, and get everybody involved. No chair left un-blue-died.

  10. With regards to bras,
    I personally have always fit a store size, more or less, which is a miracle in and of itself, provided I go with the same few stores. However, some of my other friends, those who are differently shaped or breast feeding or exercising or whatever, swear by going to a smaller lingerie shop and getting fitted. That doesn’t appeal to me as much because I feel weird when people get all touchy-feely, but it’s someone who actually specialises in sizing and selling these things.

    My personal option is also to wear sundresses and halter tops with built-in bras. They tend to be more cottony and more comfortable, because support is built into the entire top, and as I’m pretty much a C-cup and I do work out my chest and back muscles, there isn’t much downward strain. I grew up with a mother who was anti-underwire and avoided those for the longest time and told me how horrible they were, but I found the wire only pokes me if I send my bras through the washer. Now I hand wash, and it’s comfortable all the way through. But my apartment provides those spinners for taking out excess water from laundry, so it’s easier to wash and dry them. I feel most comfortable with the wire because the ones without got all weirdly pointy-chaffy on the nipples.

    TMI, probably. But I love the idea of making breasts boring for trolls.

  11. However, some of my other friends, those who are differently shaped or breast feeding or exercising or whatever, swear by going to a smaller lingerie shop and getting fitted.

    Yeah, people with larger breasts should definitely get fitted at a specialty shop. Basically, if they tell you to add 4 or 5 inches to your band measurement, or they measure you above your boobs rather than below, they’re going to put you in the wrong size and you should run away!

    Nordstrom is actually good for fittings if you don’t have a boutique, but their actual selection wasn’t very good. So I used them to verify my approximate size and then just order lots of bras off the internet based on blogger recommendations and return the ones that don’t fit. (Especially useful strategy if you have Amazon Prime as shipping both ways is covered)

  12. they measure you above your boobs rather than below

    By which I mean, they measure you above the boobs for the band size.

  13. What does it say about me that the first thing that popped into my head is a mass protest in the form of hundreds of menstruating women going to parliament WITHOUT their pads and tampons, and bleeding all over every available chair? Would human blood stains be treated the same as, I dunno, lipstick smears?

    Believe me, it was suggested at the time! Or just mailing used pads and tampons to the relevant minister. Who was a man, of course.

  14. I’m not caught up with the comments (and may just skip to the bra talk; looks like there’s a lot of trolls in the middle), but grumpycatisagirl, your “November 19″ link is great!

  15. Quackers:

    because bras don’t come off eventually when you have sex with the dude

    Well, if you’re in a PG-13 movie, the woman keeps her bra on (and the other naughty bits are either off-camera or covered by a sheet). If it happens in the movies it must be true!

  16. Wouldn’t that mean one has to keep a bra on whenever the dude’s around? Otherwise he might see unsupported breasts, and that would be unsupportable! :P

  17. I wrote about bras on my blog a while ago.

    kittehserf, the seam-on-nipple thing doesn’t bother me for whatever reason. I read that the purpose of the seam-on-nipple thing is make your nipples less visible through clothing.

    I usually wear underwire, seamed, non-molded cup bras; I feel like they give better support than molded cup. A lot of them have a couple layers of sheer fabric for the cups (often the top layer of fabric has lace), which I like in hot weather because it allows sweat from the bottom half of my breast to evaporate.

    Ally:
    I agree with emilygoddess that if you like loose clothing you might like the built-in bras (shelf bras) that many camisoles have. You might also like bralet/bralette/leisure bras, which are kinda similar but without the camisole part. They’re not great for bounce control IME, but depending on what size you end up with you might not need much bounce control.

  18. Different sensitivities in different bits, I guess! :) I hate seams rubbing anywhere; I have bike shorts to stop thigh chafing and I have to wear them inside out because the seams scratch far too much.

    I quite like moulded cups, but I’ve ripped the underwires out of all my bras. They’re too irritating – not on the torso, but against the arm, especially when I’m knitting, f’rex. Cassandrakitty’s suggested the bra types might be too deep for my torso, which could well be the case, but they’re okay sans wires.

    There are times I feel like getting a singlet and just chopping it off halfway. It’d provide the opacity (the only reason I wear any bra-ish stuff in summer) without the wretched band around my ribs, and for that I wouldn’t care about the support issue!

  19. cassandrakitty

    Seconding the recommendation for brasihate. Like any other type of clothing, if you can find a blogger whose body shape resembles yours, and see what they like, that can be helpful, but even if they don’t just seeing the specific reasons why something didn’t work for a particular person discussed can help too. Like, high waisted jeans, I hate them. Was having a hard time explaining why until I talked to a friend who, like me, has long legs and a shorter torso, proportionally speaking, and it turned out that we both hate high waisted pants, because on us the high waist sits much too high, which feels weird. Proportions are everything in terms of how clothes fit! Something can be technically the correct size and still not fit well at all because the shape is all wrong.

    On the small band/large cup topic, my favorite brand is Freya, but if you want to see most of the brands that specialize in small to medium band/large cup sizes collected together, check out these sites.

    http://www.bravissimo.com/

    http://www.brastop.com/

    Also, WTF is with the “measure around your ribcage and then add 4-5 inches to get your band size” idea? The bra band will sit directly on your ribcage in that area, so if you add 4-5 inches you’ll end up with a bra band that’s much too loose, which means the shoulder straps will be carrying most of the weight of your breasts, which is definitely not ideal, and will be uncomfortable if you’re busty because big boobs are heavy. Can you imagine doing that with any other item of clothing? Like, oh yeah, to decide what size of jeans to buy measure your waist and then add 5 inches, then buy that size. That’ll work great.

  20. Buttercup:

    I thought the sock was mainly used as a receptacle, not a protective sleeve?

    OK, a receptacle would make sense, if you want to contain the semen and aren’t familiar with condoms and don’t mind wasting some cheap socks.

    Actually, I meant “sleeve” as in something that contributes to stimulation, rather than something that protects from chafeing. By the way, (and inevitable TMI), a tight-fitting condom can be used for the latter purpose, as well as a receptacle. I haven’t tried using condoms or anything else as a sleeve (/TMI).

    sexpatriate

    :D

  21. I have agree, I did not find the video funny. It just did not made me laugh at all :/ And I also think it was quite racist.
    The hot slash superficial slash not very smart slash unable to speak english properly latinoamerican. And it is not about the accent which I guess anyone has to a more or lesser extent in a foreign language, same with english speakers talking spanish. But about the fact that she could not say anything right.
    I am not quite informed about these men right things yet, so I can`t comment at that but I will definetely will start reading about it. If they really fight for the things mentioned in the video would be a bit stupid. I would imagine an organization of that type could fight for “paternity leave”, equal salaries for same jobs independent of gender and support women in their own quest, and so many other things that are out there… :/

  22. Hey, Ally, I stumbled across this collection of trans resources earlier today. I don’t know your email or I’d send it directly. And, I guess, if you don’t find it useful, somebody else out there might.

    http://fuckyeahlgbtqblackpeople.tumblr.com/post/77619683383/theunforgiven137-ive-compiled-this-list-of

  23. I know I’m late but the whole “meep” debate about it being racist (I think the better word is ethnocentric but I could be wrong) is unfounded in that it’s just an unfunny internet thing, not a language barrier.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meep&defid=720612

    And I “get” what they were going for here. The joke is that he paid for a mail order bride who didn’t speak english very well and was not familiar with the culture so he could convince her that he was doing positive work which is totally something an MRA would at least try to do if he could, but, yeah, the racist caricature was super heavy-handed, and the poor delivery ruined any chance for the gag to be successful. I’ve seen better scripts come directly from this website, thinking specifically about A Voice for Pierre. But hey, it’s SNL, which is cringe-inducingly unfunny and has been forever.

    What freaking “wealth”? I don’t know how it is in other places around the globe, but a cursory google search tells me that only 19% of US households earn over 100k a year, and only 11% make over 150k.

    I don’t think MRA’s interact enough with actual people to realize that shows like the Real Housewives aren’t representative of very many people, and that the boogeyman of women marrying rich men just to steal half their income and live like queens is so fucking rare that to associate the vast majority who, on average, get less than half of what it costs to raise a child through child support, is just willful ignorance.

  24. “just willful ignorance.”

    I think this pretty much describes all MRA ideas

  25. Do you even know what this movement is even about? Look, let me dumb it down for you.

    Women get paid less then men, so they have women’s-rights activists.

    Men are shown as idiots in pretty much every tv show they appear on many channels and people only cry when a woman dies in fiction as well as real life, thus they have men’s rights activists.

    Life is not men lording over women, it’s billions of people being fucked over by a system that doesn’t make any sense. Hell, go over to TV tropes and punch in “Double Standards”, then count the number of times in fiction that men get the short end of the stick. Then after that count the number of times everyone gets the short end of the stick in RL.

    Seriously, do some reading before you speak next time.

  26. Do you even know what this movement is even about?

    Do you?

    Women get paid less then men, so they have women’s-rights activists.

    You have no idea what feminism is, do you? Equal pay for equal work is one issue, yes. But I have no idea what “women’s-rights activists” are.

    Men are shown as idiots in pretty much every tv show they appear on many channels and people only cry when a woman dies in fiction as well as real life, thus they have men’s rights activists.

    Citation, citation, citation. Last I checked, the men on Law & Order and its many spin-offs; CSI and its many spin-offs; ER; etc. are all portrayed as competent individuals with varied and unique personalities, not as idiots. As far as people only crying when women die? Are you kidding? I bawled like a baby at my grandad’s funeral AND when Dumbledore died.

    Life is not men lording over women,

    This is not what feminists are saying.

    …it’s billions of people being fucked over by a system that doesn’t make any sense.

    The word you’re looking for is “kyriarchy.”

    Hell, go over to TV tropes and punch in “Double Standards”, then count the number of times in fiction that men get the short end of the stick. Then after that count the number of times everyone gets the short end of the stick in RL.

    Are talking about fiction, or real life? You seem to be confusing the two. TV tropes isn’t going to tell me bubkis about, say, living and working conditions around the globe. And for every negative stereotype or trope about men, I could point you to one about women. Yeah, pop culture has pretty stupid stereotypes that need to go away.

    Seriously, do some reading before you speak next time.

    I think you’re the one who needs to do some more reading.

  27. people only cry when a woman dies in fiction as well as real life

  28. I think most of the tears I’ve shed for deaths, real or fictional, through my life have been for men.

    Or cats of either sex, of course.

  29. I’ll be the first to admit: If no one ever cried when a man died, then we would need a men’s movement.

  30. women’s-rights activists.

    Well, I always did think “feminism” was a bit of a mouthful

    Men are shown as idiots in pretty much every tv show they appear on many channels and people only cry when a woman dies in fiction as well as real life, thus they have men’s rights activists.

    This either says a lot about you, or the people you know/ tv shows you watch. Either way, it’s kind of a lose-lose situation here.

    Either that or your fictional women are coming to life, in which case you live in a world of wonder that I wish to inhabit. If MRAs are just campaigning for the rights of fictional male characters to come to life, I for one stand in solidarity with them.

  31. Life is not men lording over women, it’s billions of people being fucked over by a system that doesn’t make any sense.

    Truly an impeccable analysis of gender.

  32. Did troll really just compare the real life bigotry and oppression that women face to the presence of bumbling male characters on TV? Seriously troll, if the worst thing about being a man is seeing Joey Tribiani on Friends reruns, there probably isn’t a need for the MRM.

    Oh, and trolly, if you want to see people upset over the death of a fictional man, here’s one
    RIP King in the North!

  33. people only cry when a woman dies in fiction

    I think you must have no idea who Matthew Cuthbert is.

  34. Hell, go over to TV tropes and punch in “Double Standards”, then count the number of times in fiction that men get the short end of the stick. Then after that count the number of times everyone gets the short end of the stick in RL.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoubleStandard

    47 entries for men

    66 for women.

    45 for “either”.

    Of course, you did forget the most important part of tv tropes.

    It being true in a work of fiction has no bearing on it being true in reality.

    What was your point again?

  35. Another thing about the portray of men on TV as stupid is that it has no real effect on power. It exists purely as a form of ironic comedy. There is no outer culture that supports the view that men are unintelligent – quite the opposite. While men are “demeaned” on TV, they are praised for their intellect everywhere else. By contrast, women who are demeaned for being female are also demeaned for being female on TV shows. Yet another example of why misandry isn’t institutionalized.

  36. I bawled my eyes out at the end of Blake’s 7 … Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid … The Sting (okay, only the first time) … Bram Stoker’s Dracula …

  37. Also, TVtropes is just a giant list of stuff compiled by teenagers, many of whom are budding MRAs. It is statistically meaningless.

  38. TVTropes does some good work though.

    Madame Defarge’s classification on the Tale of Two Cities page as a “Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds” on the Tale of Two Cities is wonderful and so spot on.

  39. Blargh, late night typing, not friendly. I should sleep, now. :(

  40. I’d like to add that saying simply “men are portrayed as stupid” implies they are also treated as stupid. This is the opposite case. Look at any sitcom with a dumbass, unconventionally attractive dad. Is he kicked out for all of his shenanigans? No. He’s usually just given a stern talking to at the worst, and forgiven for being a “caring father” or feeling sad. The message it sends isn’t “men are dumbasses and women are normal”, it’s “if you’re a man and you are a complete dumbass, it’s OK because you are a good father or felt bad”. The same thing does not exist for women.
    I’m soooo friggin tired of seeing this argument everywhere.

  41. Do you even know what this movement is even about? Look, let me dumb it down for you.

    Oh boy, another fucking Intellectual Giant™ who thinks women and feminist males are so stupid that they require talking down to. Please, enlighten us, Your Sageness!

    Women get paid less then men, so they have women’s-rights activists.

    You’re right, that IS a dumbed-down viewpoint. Unfortunately, you’ve dumbed feminism down so that YOU can “understand” it, but you’re not telling us anything we don’t already know. It’s not just about that; it’s about that and many other things. Bro, do you even FEMINIST?

    Men are shown as idiots in pretty much every tv show they appear on many channels and people only cry when a woman dies in fiction as well as real life, thus they have men’s rights activists.

    O RLY? You must not watch a lot of TV. Hell, I don’t either, but I’ve seen enough to know you are dead wrong on all counts here. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to dumb down what I know to make it digestible to your delicate sensibilities.

    Life is not men lording over women, it’s billions of people being fucked over by a system that doesn’t make any sense.

    Oh gee, what a scintillating analysis. Not a bit shallow or stupid there, are you? I guess you done told us!

    Hell, go over to TV tropes and punch in “Double Standards”, then count the number of times in fiction that men get the short end of the stick. Then after that count the number of times everyone gets the short end of the stick in RL.

    >snort< Dude, it's only a silly website. It's not an actual scorecard, you know.

    Seriously, do some reading before you speak next time.

    Take your own advice, fella. You need it more than anyone else here does.

  42. Seriously, do some reading before you speak next time.

    How about you do some thinking before you speak next time? That’d be an improvement.

  43. I wonder whose life is more painful: the fictional bumbling dad character, who gets credit for just showing up while his wife invisibly handles everything for their family in the background; or the irl lead actor on a sit-com, who is generally better-known and better-paid than the rest of the cast.

  44. For every fat stupid guy on TV, there’s an amoral genius hero (Walter White, Don Draper, Dr. House, Frank Underwood, half the male GoT characters).

    Also, as Auggz pointed out, there are no negative consequences on TV for being unattractive and stupid. In fact they are rewarded with a conventionally attractive wife (Homer Simpson, Doug from King of Queens, Jim from According to Jim, Mark Addy’s character on Still Standing, Peter from family guy). Can anyone imagine a female version of Homer Simpson ever getting a hot, loving and nurturing husband? That’ll probably never happen. The few fat women allowed to be on TV have husbands that are similarly conventionally unattractive (Roseanne, Melissa McCarthy).

    I really fail to see misandry on TV. Especially since most showrunners, entertainment executives and directors are men!

  45. Men are shown as idiots in pretty much every tv show they appear on many channels and people only cry when a woman dies in fiction as well as real life, thus they have men’s rights activists.

    Thanks for clarifying that your movement really cares about non-existent issues. You’re credit to team.

  46. RE: katz

    people only cry when a woman dies in fiction as well as real life

    I can’t help but wonder what sort of company this guy is keeping if people aren’t crying at his father or grandfather’s funeral. I mean, Jesus, one of my grandfathers was a fucking child-molester, and he STILL had people crying at his funeral. That’s kind of what you DO when someone dies.

    As for fiction… last time I recall crying over a book with any clarity, it was Where the Red Fern Grows, with the death of a male and female dog. (Seriously, that book is a heartbreaker.)

    RE: WWTH

    there’s an amoral genius hero

    God I hate the Jerk Genius trope. I wish it would just DIE. Because let’s face it, every one of us, I bet, has had That Coworker who was a complete pain in your ass and acted like a colossal jerk but were kept purely because of their skills, even though a lot of us hated them. Is that really the sort of person I’m supposed to ASPIRE to be?

  47. I’ve been thinking a lot about the jerk genius character type recently. It’s not STRICTLY male only, but it is much much more commonly male, and in the few female cases, it’s treated as a flaw that she needs to grow past, while for men it’s treated as a part of who they are that everyone else needs to accept, or even as what makes them endearing and lovable. I’ve heard the titular character from Bones is an exception, maybe?

  48. RE: katz

    I thought Bones wasn’t a jerk, just socially incompetent? *has not actually seen Bones*

    Also, not only is it a male trope, but in my country anyway, it’s a WHITE guy trope. Part of why I find it so aggravating is that, at least in my job experience, you CAN’T get away with that sort of behavior. (But then again, I was always in crappy menial jobs with a large customer service component, so restraining your innate dickery was an important part of the job.)

    I feel like in some ways, it’s playing to that geek angst, patting you on the back and saying, “There there, sad geek, you don’t need to be socially competent or even a decent human being to be hugely successful! Just be so fucking brilliant intellectually and THEY WILL LIKE YOU.” Which is bullshit, and in my opinion almost encourages people to just focus entirely on their intellect and nothing else.

    Never mind I kept wondering why the fuck Sherlock hadn’t been kicked out of his damn apartment for all the shooting and blood and STOP BRINGING DOWN PROPERTY VALUE SHERLOCK.

  49. There’s one asshole at work who’s kept around because he does one thing well. If I could bounce him, I would, because ain’t no one got time for someone who’s relentlessly shitty outside of that one thing they do well.

  50. I suppose it’s well possible that there is in fact an imbalance about how genders are portrayed in fiction. It might be statistically provable that in fact in sitcoms and ads men are significantly more often the bumbling idiots, while women are the reasonable down to earth counterparts. It’s possible.

    …it’s just, that seems like such a petty complaint to me. If this imbalance exists, it should be fixed, of course, but MRA trout it out so damn often. As if that imbalance alone was all the proof in the world that men are the actually oppressed gender. I do admit the issue could be a problem, but the way the MRA use it as argument is just pathetic.

    Besides, this potential imbalance rests on gender stereotypes and expectations. You know, *just those things feminism fights*. Turning this potential imbalance into an argument against feminism, as MRAs often do, is hence patently absurd.

  51. A blog entry on sometimes skilled assholes aren’t worth it:

    http://www.theferrett.com/ferrettworks/2013/06/lets-do-equations-involving-assholes/

    Early on in my career, a manager told me a story about having to fire a person who was really, really good at what he did. The guy could do the work of five other people, was very smart and capable, and such a raging asshole that, when they counted up the time spent dealing with his disgruntled co-workers, the company figured they had paid the equivalent of one manager working full time for six and half months, just dealing with the fallout of the guy’s assholeishness.

    So they fired him.

  52. Also, not only is it a male trope, but in my country anyway, it’s a WHITE guy trope.

    OH yeah.

    In my experience, the people who are like this IRL are never actually so competent that nobody else could do their job. They’re just really good at convincing other people that no one else could do their job, or at getting into positions from which it’s difficult to remove them without a big hassle.

    Or they can’t be replaced for some stupid reason like they’re the only one who knows where thus-and-such is kept.

  53. Also in commercials with bumbling dads, it’s almost always a cleaning or cooking product. So it’s just encouraging women and discouraging men to cook and clean, shit that society doesn’t reward or give two shits about.

  54. Unimaginative: that’s a great article about the hidden cost of assholes (there’s a sentence I never thought I’d type).

    It was a glorious moment when our department asshole used the word “bitch” about a colleague in my hearing. I turned into a human interrobang.

  55. I could have been a Jerk Genius at work. Fortunately, my parents brought me up better than that.

  56. hellkell – I’d love to have heard that, and seen department asshole’s face! :D

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