British Men’s Rightser to feminists: I will fight you until my dying breath! And so will my totally real ex-model girlfriend.
Sasha’s eloquent words, immortalized in ugly MRA poster form by Cloudiah of Artistry for Feminism. And Kittens.
Meet Sasha. Sasha is an angry young man living in England (allegedly), with a super-HAWT girlfriend (allegedly), and a lot of opinions about feminism (not-so-allegedly). The other day, he decided to share some of these opinions with the world. Or at least with any of those feminists who happened to be reading the Men’s Rights subreddit at the time.
In a topic devoted to a conference on “lad culture” in British universities, Sasha lashed out at feminists for what he sees as their hypocritical attack on boorish, sexist “lads.” Hypocritical, you see, because these very same women allegedly have sex with posh men all the bloody time:
You don’t like ‘lad culture’? My dear, I don’t give a fuck what you do and don’t like. … The hypocrisy is staggering – you’ll be dropping your knickers in a flash if a dashing Etonian invited you to the Bullingdon, but God forbid some working class fella gets a bit tipsy and sings a rugby song.
Naturally, he dismissed women’s accounts of harassment as stuff and nonsense:
You’ve been threatened with rape by fellow students ‘to loosen you up’? have you fuck, you lying toe tag. If you’re going to make shit up try to make it less fantastical why don’t you.
So in short my dear, fuck you and fuck the high horse you rode in on.
In a series of followup comments so angry that some of them were actually downvoted to zero by the Men’s Rights crowd — I know, right! — Sasha pranced about on his own high horse spewing misogynistic nonsense. First, he demanded that feminists take on the very serious gold-digging whore problem:
[A]re women inclined to be gold-digging whores? Unfortunately, there’s a good case for saying you are. I wouldn’t paint all of you with such a broad brush, but let’s put it simply: feminists – you’ve got to own this shit. There are many, many negative aspects of femininity, and you’ve got enough shit of your own to address before you start pointing fingers at anyone else.
Then he proclaimed feminists to be the equivalent of the racist English Defense League and the Klan.
You’re a bigot. You don’t understand that you’re a bigot, because like the EDL or the KKK you think that your status as a ‘persecuted group’ gives you the right to behave as vilely as possible. However be in no doubt as the depth of my utter disgust for you as a human being and for your ideology.
Oh, we be in no doubt.
You are a supporter of an ideology of hate. You are a feminist. You are, by definition, a fascistic narcissist who trades in lies, deceit and hatred. I will fight you until my dying breath and society would be better without you. That clear enough?
When a female Redditor pointed out that she herself had been catcalled on campus, he pulled out his trump card: his EX-MODEL GIRLFRIEND.
OK, well how do you explain the fact that my partner, who is an attractive 20-something American former fashion model attending a Northern English university, says that she has never, not once, ever, heard a single catcalling insult or ever felt threatened in any way whatsoever on her campus, or anywhere in the UK?
I faxed this comment of his to my fax girlfriend Kate Winslet, and she faxed back a message about what a lying loser she thought he was. Then we fax made out for a while until we ran out of toner.
Anyway, then Sasha yelled at his main critic for a bit:
You’re not a decent human being, you’re a feminist. You’re as vile and reprehensible as other bigots like the cunts in the Westborough Baptist Church, or Golden Dawn or the EDL or the KKK. Fuck you, fuck the family that raised you in such a cloud of ignorance and hatred, and fuck everything you stand for.
As for ‘helping men’, disparaging bigoted cunts like you is a key part of it.
Yes, that’s right. He called someone a “bigoted cunt,” without the slightest bit of self-awareness.
Then he took it a bit too far:
By the way, do you like cats? I know most feminists do. I like cats too. I’ll bet your cat thinks you’re a bigoted cunt as well.
Dude. Don’t EVEN go there.
NOTE: Thanks to Cloudiah and the AgainstMensRights subreddit for pointing me to Sasha’s oeuvre.
Posted on February 25, 2014, in antifeminism, are these guys 12 years old?, entitled babies, evil sexy ladies, evil women, excusing abuse, grandiosity, incoherent rage, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, my hot girlfriend, oppressed men, reddit, sexual harassment and tagged anti-feminism, antifeminism, lad culture, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, reddit, sexual harassment. Bookmark the permalink. 564 Comments.
The KKK and EDL are “persecuted groups”? Really? Since when?
Or at least until my broadband provider pulls the plug on me …
Are we sure Sasha isn’t Tom Martin? Does he mention penguins or hard chairs at all?
My cat has very strong opinions on feminists. Of course, why wouldn’t she?
(Currently, she feels that feminists should stop pissing around on the internet and go make her breakfast.)
Well, someone’s awful cranky. I think it’s nap-time.
I like that he mentions that his girlfriend is American. I feel like it’s to give him an out if he ever meets up with someone in his area. “Sorry, my super-hot model girlfriend is in the States visiting family right now! She won’t be back for awhile but she totally exists guys!”
Wow, that’s some serious ew.
My co-workers just demanded that I explain why I suddenly laughed so hard I started snorting. I’ve already introduced them to the world of MRAs, so I just had to say, “Manboobz.”
What dictionary is Sasha using? That’s certainly not the definition of @”feminist” in the OED.
Has you ever been so far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
For those of you who are not British, the Bullingdon is an Oxford University “invitation only” members’ dining & drinking club. The drinking part being the main thing. Sasha appears unaware that it is men only. Feminists do not get invited, even by dashing Etonians.
The idea that misogyny should be accepted because it’s a working class tradition – not a new one. the Sun tries to pull that one over page 3 on a regular basis.
And there we have it, folks! Who needs to advocate for shelters for men, or work to end rape of men, or anything hard like that. Yelling at feminists on the internet totally counts as activism for MRAs because it is a “key part” of helping men!
As far as insults go, ‘I bet your cat thinks you’re a c*nt as well’ is pretty damn low.
That was way harsh, dude.
I think his anger is being misdirected. I hear a undertone of anger at the rampant Classism that is the U.K in his rant. It is easier to rant at the straw-women feminist that haunt his fantasies rather than actually doing something about Classism. He feel powerless against Classism and his rant against imaginary feminist makes him feel powerful.
You know what the problem with that parody poster is? It’s way too high quality to be an actual MRA poster. Yes, it’s ugly, but it’s also at an appropriate DPI with no compression artifacts or signs of haphazard format conversion. And look at those images! No thumbnails that have been blown up until you can count the pixels? No pics with their dimensions skewed into weird alien shapes in an ill-advised attempt to force them to fit the format? No hideous filters used to disguise the fact that you’ve used each image a dozen times already? And on top of all that, the text contrasts with the background that you can actually read what it says. I’m looking at an image that clearly took more than ten minutes to compose, and that simply can not be.
Cloudiah, if you ever put another one together, try using MSPaint – give it that “I don’t care enough to use actual tools” look.
Dammit, my brain tripped over this and sprained something.
@Andrew, That’s what I thought. It’s like the Sistine Chapel of MRA posters.
“I will fight them until my dying breath!” have fun with your life. Sounds exiting.
I’m reading the original thread. At one point, there’s someone that replies to his frothing rage with “you’re 16.”
He flips his shit at that.
Well, Robert Ramirez, it takes courage to punch up. Of course this dude is going to punch down instead.
Ah, comparing a woman having consensual sex to someone singing a misogynistic, bigoted song. That’s telling. He calls it a rugby song, but having seen his other comments I think it just serves to downplay the harms of lad culture. Shasha’s misogyny here is literally out in the open here.
Also LOL cloudiah’s poster is fantastic.
“[A]re women inclined to be gold-digging whores? Unfortunately, there’s a good case for saying you are.”
So? If a woman defines attractiveness by how much money a guy has, that’s her prerogative. People are allowed to define the perimeters of their romantic interactions and relationships. This is yet another rant on how women have choices in who their sexual partners are, and the ranter wants to make them feel bad that they’re not giving their sex out more according to the ranter’s class.
“OK, well how do you explain the fact that my partner, who is an attractive 20-something American former fashion model attending a Northern English university, says that she has never, not once, ever, heard a single catcalling insult or ever felt threatened in any way whatsoever on her campus, or anywhere in the UK?”
Well, I’ve never been shot before, so clearly guns don’t even exist. It is entirely possible that your super hot girlfriend has never been catcalled before, and other women have. You’re assuming that there’s a direct relationship between the catcalls people get and their level of attractiveness, which is a rather naive way to look at this issue…
Then again, I don’t expect anything but naivete from MRAs these days.
Wow. I can almost feel the spittle flying off his rant.
I just don’t understand where the idea of bigotry even comes from. I agree with Robert that this guy is displacing some oppression he feels from elsewhere.
I read some more of the thread, and he said he knew a family that wouldn’t send their daughter to college because they’re afraid of her being raped. I hear this a lot from MRAs, and I’m skeptical.
Not that if it were true it would mean anything. Like, why would anyone ever be supportive of straight up *lying* about how often rape happens, just so things seem rosier? Colleges already did that, and still do. It’s completely irresponsible.
Is he really 16?!
Also, when she pointed out it was possible for other women to get cat called and not his girlfriend, he said she was erasing her experience.
You can’t parody these people.
I don’t know if he’s 16 or not, he got PISSSED though. I thought it was funny, since the highest upvoted comment was the “your 16″ comment. (It had 6 points).
The more I analyze the shit this kid is saying, the more convinced I am that he’s 16.
Possible. It’s also possible that he’s just a thin-skinned jackass reacting to criticism of his own bigotry with a temper tantrum.
Come to think of it I guess the two possibilities aren’t mutually exclusive.
Well, if by “bigoted” he means “doesn’t feed me nearly as much as I’d like,” then OK.
A 16 year old English boy with a 20-something American model girlfriend, huh? Sure, kid, we believe you.
Dirty miscatrist!
LOL LOL he can’t even write his own slang. It’s toe rag, genius.
It’s a shame no one cares.
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What.
10 second question: what exactly is “lad culture” for those of us across the pond?
I kinda get the gist, sport types – given they sing rugby songs… but not sure that’s really it.
I bet he’s fun at parties.
Re Lad culture, imagine if Maxim magazine was a person.
I’m picturing this rude chav as one of the housemates from “The Young Ones” – the one who makes Vyvyan look clean and respectable.
With a personality like that it’s a mystery why the women aren’t gathering round asking him to sing them rugby songs.
The Bullingdon (and similar clubs that get less attention) do sometimes
invite women. But never as members – only as the “entertainment”.
Exactly what I was coming here to say.
My cats are offended by this!
Your icon kitty looks frightened. Or guilty, not quite sure.
@kitteh’s
Shows what you know. He’s clearly just bringing light to the phenomenon of feminists killing men with their feministy words and thoughts and then blaming men for the deaths!!
Giving Sasha the benefit of the doubt, I don’t think he’s claiming that. He knows that the KKK and EDL are members of historically privileged groups and *think* they are now being persecuted. He’s just confused about which one of the groups defending or challenging male privilege is making that same mistake.
The irony is that the KKK was about *preserving* America from black people. This redditor is comparing someone who is trying to change harmful attitudes to the KKK, basically because she’s threatening a tradition.
Off topic(but still on terrible rape apologist douches), Paula Patton and Robin Thicke are getting divorced.
I know nothing about Paula Patton, and yet still can’t help but feel like congratulating her.
Whoa! I’m surprise he hasn’t chocked on his own hatred. I think he needs a nap or maybe hug.
auggziliary, sorry to said it but it was just a matter of time with those two…he such a douche.
Does he know Manboobz wrote about him yet? I hope he come here. He mentioned us before, but IDK what the fuck he meant.
Robin Thicke mentioned Manboobz?
(actually, I’m pretty sure you were talking about the other dude, but that would be interesting if Robin Thicke came here)
Wait, so some boy reckons he knows what my cat thinks of me? What is he, some sort of animal psychic?
“Roll up, roll up, come see The Great Misogynist! Animal psychic extraordinaire, Catomancy his speciality!”
Anyway, that can’t be right because I bet my Rottweiler thinks 16 year old misogynists can’t read feline minds. And my Toby is a superior lad and bound to be right.
Also Yay for Cloudiah!
And, not sure if I’ve mentioned this before (I totally have):
Robin thicke is an anagram of Itchier Knob.
That makes me so happy. :)
Oh, and ‘knob’ means willy in the UK in case anybody didn’t know. Sorry about it being gendered, but, but, Robin Thicke … Itchier knob. Sorry.
Someone on r/mr said something about Ms. Magazine being “gendercidal” which caused me to go look at their website, and sure enough they are featuring an article about an actual Mankiller.
And hey, I was not expecting to see my crappy poster up there! I am so proud. But you’re all right, next time I should totally use MS Paint for that authentic MRA look.
Le’s not get into any Chav-shaming here please.
Can we all have imaginary partners? Also, is he aware of what the EDL & KKK do? Also, if he called me “my dear” I’d punch him. It’s so patronising.
In this case we should also keep him away from horses, because honestly, I wouldn’t put it past him.
Them’s fightin’ words. I watched The Bill for years!!!
I don’t know who Robin Thicke is, but this made me lol.
First thought I had reading his comments pretty much were a rendition of Avenue Q’s: “I wish you could meet my Girlfriend/My girlfriend who lives in Canada”
But then again, most thoughts send me thinking about Avenue Q. It’s a good way to live
I thought of Avenue Q too.
“I wish you could meet my girlfriend, But you can’t because she is in Canada”:
@kitteh
Robin Thicke is the guy who made that awful song Blurred Lines.
@kitteh,
Oh for the halcyon days of yore when I too did not know of the travesty that is Robin Thicke. Never was a person more deserving of an itchier knob.
Oh, righto. I’ve heard of that song but never heard it, and don’t intend to. One of the benefits of havnig zero interest in current pop. ;)
RE: Robert Rodriguez
I think his anger is being misdirected. I hear a undertone of anger at the rampant Classism that is the U.K in his rant.
I hear an OVERtone of anger at women. It’s his responsibility to decide what he’s truly angry about.
RE: justabrowngirl
it was just a matter of time with those two…he such a douche.
Wait, Robin Thicke is a GUY? All this time, I was so mistaken… dude, my understanding of reality is melting here. I guess this shows how out of date I am…
RE: Kittehs
One of the benefits of havnig zero interest in current pop.
Aw, but the Pentatonix are so cute and adorable! (They’re an a capella group with truly amazing vocal skills, particularly their rhythm section, and everything I’ve heard about them is that they’re very nice people.)
But Beyonce
@ Kittehs
Did you watch TV in the 80s? If so, guess who this asshole’s dad is?