Open Thread for Personal Stuff: February 2014 Edition
An open thread for personal stuff, continuing from here.
As usual for these threads: no trolls, no arguments.
Posted on February 7, 2014, in off topic, open thread. Bookmark the permalink. 1,059 Comments.









That’s good to hear, Marie.
Ally, here’s a smiling puppy to help with your writing.
Glad to hear you’re ok, Marie.
cloudiah: Ah! It’s like Mittens teaching Bolt the dog face in real life. :D
Smile, perk up… up, tounge! Aaaand, tilt! Perfect!
Marie, glad you’re okay!
Ally, I wouldn’t call that procrastinating. It’s not like you’ve a deadline to meet.
Are you at your mum’s now, or still with katz?
RE: Kittehs and cloudiah
Awesome! I can totally draw that, and will do so!\
RE: Kiwi Girl
Please do a link to your website so I can give you cash too.
I love you guys. And if you don’t have an art commish in mind, feel free to pitch some money at my head so I can put up more Shadowthon stories! (Link should take you to a page with a donate button, though it might take a bit of scrolling.)
RE: Kittehs
Reluctant? For crying out aloud, you’re having breathing trouble.
Well, this is the USA. My family’s health treatment was that unless you broke something, were bleeding uncontrollably, or were vomiting for more than twelve hours, you didn’t need a doctor.
RE: Ally
according to my uncle he had an anxiety attack so severe that my dad doesn’t even remember what he said to people that day.
Uh huh. Odd. I’ve never known anxiety to induce amnesia. Regardless, it doesn’t matter: he’s still an adult responsible for his own creepy behavior. If he is so debilitated he’s not in control of his actions, he needs to be getting mental help, not making excuses.
GRAGHHHH I keep forgetting that the “if you’re not rich and you get sick, it’s your bad luck” is the foundation of “healthcare” there. Our system’s far from perfect (and those fuckers in government are trying to introduce a two-tier system) but it would never occur to me to not seek medical help for something like that, simply because of money. It’s just a different system. :( :( :(
kitteh, I’m still here at katz’s place; I’m leaving Saturday evening.
Ah, right.
Seconding what LBT said about your parental unit, btw. How convenient that he doesn’t remember that episode of frightening the bejezus out of your brother in a way that just happened to be trying to manipulate you to return.
RE: Kittehs
Yeah. I know that NZ isn’t the same as Australia, but when I was in NZ, I got food poisoning or something and started vomiting all over the place. The people I was staying with at the time were horrified and pleaded with me to get an ambulance, and I was like, “I can’t! I don’t have health insurance!”
They just stared at me like I was crazy, but at that point, I was too sick and dissociated to be reasoned with, and I ended up blanket-burritoing for like four or five days. At the time, I felt like I was dodging a healthcare bullet; it wasn’t until later I realized that things were different there. (Though seeing as I’d literally landed on the country a few days before, I don’t know whether I would’ve counted.)
Argh, that sounds horrible. :(
I know it’d cost a couple of thousand to get an ambulance here uninsured, but Ambulance Victoria’s cover is $40 a year for a single person. That’s unbelievably cheap.
LBT — idk about NZ but I knew a dude who sliced his hand open in Canada while visiting, $5 for the good painkillers, free stitches. This would’ve been like…2001~2002 though.
Oh and sorry I can’t sponsor anything, I’m having budgeting concerns over hotels for pecunium’s wedding. Seems despite being nearly 30 pharm student and I need a hotel on THIS end if we want to share a room >.<
Marie — glad you got that dealt with quickly and are feeling better now!
Don’t worry, Argenti. I know how it goes. *is currently writing trans crossover fanfiction for Shadowthon*
So, my work is having a priest come in to exorcise the place.
And I mentioned that that is kinda not okay. I mentioned religious freedoms and stuff. I know a couple of my other co-workers don’t like this. And I know I don’t.
So, the person organizing came and talked to me because he doesn’t want to step on anyones feet. He is making sure it won’t happen when I’m there ect. And I kinda said it was okay because I felt he was making such an effort and didn’t want to be a whiney child, but I’m still not cool with it. I really don’t know what to do about this.
Strewth, Melody! That’s a bizarre thing to happen at work. Why are they exorcising the place?
Wait, what? Why on earth is your workplace being exorcised?
I can’t say I have a reaction, just because it’s being blocked out by the surprise.
Ditto, LBT!
LBT: My mom fell off a curb in Ottawa and dislocated her elbow a few years back. They took her with no fuss, and it cost maybe 50 bucks when it was all done.
Melody: why are they exorcising your office?
Woooow. Other people’s healthcare is weird.
*has had his own healthcare delayed ANOTHER month because apparently the “food and medical assistance” application is not actually for health insurance*
@melody
Seconding, like, everyone. What the reason for the exorcism?
Apparently, some of my co-workers think we have a demon…….I was kinda startled to find that they believe that kinda stuff too…..
They see shadows at work or something.
0.o
Did someone put something the water cooler?
Hmmm.
I know I’m coming at this from the angles of not being in a religiously-obsessed and not-free-at-all country, plus my own beliefs, so this might be all wrong, but – would it help to think of the exorcism as something done for the psychological comfort of the workers who think there’s a demon? Like an OH&S thing – ergonomic furniture for the mind, as it were.
I suppose. If it makes them feel better…..I just worry that it isn’t gonna help. I guess we will see. Apparently, it is happening on friday.
Does HR know about this? I’m usually not a fan of them, but this exorcism could be offensive to enough people so they should get a heads up. That’s assuming you have HR or are a big enough company to have certain labor laws pertain.
We have HR. And I’m sure the number is somewhere in the office, but I kinda feel awkward complaining because he went out of his way to talk to me about it. However, since I know there are at least 2 more co-workers who are not into this I don’t know if I have an obligation to say something. The exorcism is only happening at our facility and therefore only impacts like 22 people.
Brain bleach.
I’ve seen that on tumblr with the caption: I made these.
Awww tiny baby kittieees!
… I think that’s Basement Cat with her latest demons.
I dunno… I think watching a workplace exorcism would be kinda fascinating. But as kitteh said, I’m coming from a non-religously obsessed country so there isn’t the same sort of cultural baggage (and I am recovered from my catholic upbringing).
Ally – so, so glad you’re ok! It’s not easy to set boundaries with someone, esp a family member, so be gentle with yourself – you’re doing the right thing for you.
People I haven’t mentioned by name who need support or good wishes or good things – enormous hugs if you want them.
Mushrooms – portobellos make really good vehicles for other things! I just saw a recipe for a portobello cap topped with salsa, pine nuts and parmesan, and then popped under the broiler. Haven’t tried it, but it sounds gooooood.
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Ok – needing advice, but not sure how to make a very long story short. Will try. Basically…
My 14-yr-old niece (N14) is having trouble with her mum, my BIL’s ex. BIL is not her biological father but has been acting as her father since she was 3. BIL has a son with his ex and sees both kids on a regular basis (when the mum isn’t trying to keep him away from them, anyway – she goes in spurts)
N14 told us a bunch of stuff over xmas holidays, including physical abuse, severe emotional abuse. One of the least disturbing things was that she’d been without a bed since the summer and sleeping on the floor. N14 spent the summer with BIL and grandparents, had a job, made her own $$… her mum (we suspect) was upset by this and punished her by letting the cat piss on her bed all summer to the point it got moldy and rotted. (The mum does things like this… and takes her money, clothes we buy her, etc. She is very toxic, we have our theories as to why)
N14 has been cutting. BIL is a counsellor and hooked her up with a counsellor where she lives – trying to keep it a secret from her mum (who had told her she was going to send her to the ‘looney bin’ and medicate her), but mum found out and is now denying all access to N14.
I don’t even know really what I’m asking here – I guess how to best support N14 from a distance. She has all my numbers, we stay in touch on FB, but I don’t know what I can do (if anything). I know when I was suffering at her age, just knowing ppl out there loved me and thought I was worth it would have helped… but I don’t know, is that enough??
Ok, sorry for the novella. Just figured if any ppl out there would have some insight on this, it would be you wonderful people.
I think it is just good that n14 knows that you are there as a support.
One of my main coping skills for cutting is that I know I can text my friend when I feel like cutting. It doesn’t always work, but it certainly helps.
Crumbs, Tracy, that’s horrible. I wish I had any ideas, but my only thought is to wish BiL had custody (extremely unlikely, I know, being her stepfather). :(
Re the exorcism – cultural baggage, that’s the word for it. ::nods::
You would be correct.
neuroticbeagle wins the internet picture hunt again!
fluffy jellybeans ::dies::
Say, melody, if it turns out to be Basement Cat in your workplace, tell her she’s welcome here. I’ve said for ages we need a shop cat, and Basement Cat could turn her evil powers on stupid customers and head office.
@Tracy
Document the abuse and contact a social worker and/or lawyer- maybe they would know a way to help.
Also have some pretty kitties:
OMG if we have a demon it HAS to demon cat.
Because cats like me. And therefore that must be why I am never bugged by our “demon”
Don’t tell the others that, Melody! They’ll want to exorcise you.
(only half joking)
@melody
Maybe one of these?
Do Not Anger The Demon
@kittehs
I’m happy everytime you link to that picture :D I don’t know why. It’s just awesome.
Ps: got to the eyedoctor, apparently I have a some kind of dry eye thing, nothing terrible. I got prescription drops to take. :3
@tracy
I really don’t have any good advice, sorry :( I think knowing people out there love her will help, and I don’t know any other ways to help support her.
OMG those are brilliant.
Heheh it shows you are a true subject of the Furrinati, Marie! You can save the pic to your computer if you like. :)
Dry eye’s a pest, but at least there are plenty of drops to take for it.
@Melody, I’m confused. Are you in the US? Unless your workplace is government-funded or you’re being required to participate, I’m not sure if there’s a religious freedom violation. IDK how this stuff applies to private citizens.
I know this country is religiously obsessed, but exorcism isn’t really a common event here. I
suspect it’s because the mainstream is Protestant and exorcism is more of a Catholic thing.
Your suggestion is pretty much how I would view the situation. Except I would probably attend, because I majored in religious studies, and how many chances do you get to see an exorcism?
This is a valid fear. Frankly, I’d also worry that it would just encourage the tendency to see demons in things. But I’m not sure if there’s a polite, non-condescending way to express those worries to your co-workers.
emilygoddess – I wasn’t thinking of exorcism as a common thing, more the possible reaction to people objecting to it. Melody mentioned that the person organising it specifically spoke to zir about it first, and is arranging for it to be done while zie’s not there, so there’s no element of being forced to participate, fortunately.
Interesting, I don’t know if I’d attend or not. Curiosity vs apprehension, I think, since I can’t say I don’t believe in seriously nasty spirits, though I tend to think of them as human douchebags (like trolls in another plane).
Reinforcing the fears, especially if the workers involved didn’t think the exorcism worked, would be the worrying possibility. Totally agree about how easy it would be to sound condescending about this, though. It’d get my hackles up in that situation.
@kittehs
thanks :3 Maybe I will. XD
While we are paid by the state we are a private business in the USA. My thing is if there are 3 of us (out of 22) who have voiced concerns about this there are likely more who are upset.
I come from a very religious background and that is why I am uncomfortable with it. I don’t want anything to do with it. I try to avoid religion.
One of my fellow co-workers is concerned that the exorcism will result in more demon (via some quote from the bible about 7 more demon or something or other). The other is upset because she doesn’t think it is appropriate or necessary and she DOES work that day and doesn’t want to be there.
Shouldn’t they have at least organised to do it after hours? It doesn’t seem like something that should take place during the day.
Its 24/7 kind of work. Day, Swing and Grave.
Bummer.
Graveyard shift would be appropriate. ;)
@melody: I have no idea the denomination that is involved with this, but I do know that different denominations have differing views about the appropriateness and/or usefulness of exorcisms. One particular element that concerns me is basically the “project plan” for this exorcism. What requirements had to be met to have one, who decided on the person/people/organisation conducting the exorcism, the outcomes for the exorcism, and what the measures for success are.* Because your company could be on a hiding to nothing if this doesn’t fix whatever issue is there. I have read a little “popular science” about the ability of ultrasonic waves at particular frequencies causing people to get a sensation that a particular place is haunted – so there could be an actual physical explanation for this, irrespective of other considerations. We have some cultural activities here in NZ which are around blessing places to ensure that nothing bad happens in the future, and also undertaking basically cleansing ceremonies where bad things have happened (esp, removing tapu), but some bad shits need to occur before you can get tapu (in this context, there are others) such as the death of someone. And what you describe doesn’t seem to have a cause, per se.
* You’ve already mentioned that others have an issue with this. What is the reason that one person’s request – which does affect everyone around them – is being acceded to without apparent consideration of the wider impact? HR should *know* this.
@Marie: hooray both for your throat and for your eye. Thanks for letting us know what happened.
@Tracy: does N14’s counsellor have any suggestions, as that is the person who has responsibility for trying to get good outcomes for N14? Given that she is seeing a counsellor, to me it makes sense to involve the counsellor in trying to establish practical outcome(s) and then a plan to get to those outcome(s). I’m assuming that N14 has established a rapport with the counsellor and that there has been at least a couple of sessions.
/sigh horrible people in this world remain horrible
@LBT: sent you a small contribution via PayPal.
And this is just too cute:
http://lovemeow.com/2014/02/children-read-to-shelter-cats/#HGTxZsKqFw683eJs.01
@melody, I totally understand your discomfort and I’m sorry if I was minimizing it. I’m glad you have the option of not being there, and I share your concerns about it being kind of inescapable for people who are working that shift. I was operating under the assumption that this would be happening outside of work time; if there’s no such thing as non-work time and other employees lack the ability to opt out, I agree that it’s pretty inappropriate. Maybe your coworkers could be convinced to focus on blessing or warding themselves and (if applicable) their personal work areas, rather than involving the whole group?
There’s also the issue of what happens if someone from a different religion later decides they want their faith to be involved in the workplace. What if a Pagan coworker offered to bless the workplace while they’re at it? Either they get denied, which = discrimination lawsuit, or they get permission, and now everyone and their uncle is doing religious ceremonies in the work areas. And of course, both options risk alienating the nonreligious.
RE: Tracy
Oh man, that’s awful. I’m so sorry for your niece. If legal proceedings aren’t involved, I guess the best you can do is stay in contact as best you can and emphasize that her mother’s behavior is NOT OKAY. Is there any way BIL can get custody of her?
RE: melody
That is the strangest thing, and I’m sorry it’s going on. You’re well within your rights to be creeped out, especially since it sounds like your coworker kinda sprung this on you without telling you. It’s, uh. Kinda creepy to do something like this and not tell everyone. I mean, I live with pagans who sometimes “clean” things, but they wouldn’t do something like that even at home without telling me first, never mind at WORK.
RE: Kiwi Girl
Thank you! Was there anything in particular you wanted it to go to?
Well, as far as I know at the moment is is just the priest.
I think the issues is management kinda already decided to do this and now my co-workers don’t really feel like they can say no. You know the power dynamic……Anyway, although I voiced some concerns I doubt I’m going to choose to push it. I don’t want to rock the boat and I don’t want to get into a confrontation with my bosses over it.
@LBT: the picture thing (?icon ?image, don’t know what to call it) for Ravelry that Kitteh mentioned earlier. :) I just want cat/cats. I find your question hard to answer because I imagined you would actually put it towards “food” or “rent” or … :)
@melody: the most appropriate avenue to deal with this is via HR, who should *know* the factors that I outlined in my earlier comment. It’s around “speaking truth to power” and HR is supposed to fill that role in the situation you outlined. If you have a crappy HR person/department, this is where the HR doing its job properly angle falls down, sadly.
Realistically, your employer could be setting themselves up for an ongoing issue. An ongoing positive outcome from the exorcism is not guaranteed. And given that exorcisms have often been performed on people, there is the possibility that your co-worker could decide down track that another co-worker is possessed, rather than an area.
Your bosses will be thinking that the exorcism will solve the problem once and for all (or maybe they have a later exit strategy for that employee if the exorcism doesn’t work). They have no evidence that, in fact, this is what will happen.
RE: Kiwi Girl
Actually, Kittehs already paid for the Ravelry picture, so the money’s kinda floating at the moment! That’s what I meant to ask about, whether you instead wanted to put it towards a certain story or some other thing. But yes, it does indeed go to food and rent on my end. *laughs*
@LBT: how about, if you have an idea on the backburner, you put it towards that. Because I honestly don’t care what it contributes to, I just wanted to give you some $$$ towards the commission that I suggested but then Kitteh ninaj’d me on re the finances.
Okay! That sounds fine. I’ll probably push it forward through to my writeathon, then, since one of my friends wants to sponsor a story and doesn’t have enough on her own. Looks like Dona Prudencia will get to quiet those atomic ghosts after all!
Also, Kittehs! I emailed you the roughs! Let me know what you think!
Massive self-injury trigger waning:
Tracy — I spent my teen years cutting, and still do it sometimes, and have a series of questions —
— does BIL have joint custody? (If not and If he raised N14 and her bio father isn’t in the picture, he should apply for it)
— is the mother allowing N14 to continue seeing a counsellor?
— at the absolute minimum N14 is being neglected, and that’s easily provable by the lack of bed, the rest may be harder to prove though. Would you consider calling whomever is in charge of child welfare wherever you are? (Seriously consider this if she’s cut N14 off from her psych and other outside contact — that’s an iffy position, but for a teen already upset enough to cut? It’s concerning)
Not questions, advice —
— don’t judge her cutting. This is going to sound weird, but treat it as just a thing she does.
— limit your worrying to clearly medical questions and asking about her mental health
— anything akin to “how could you?” or disappointment should not be expressed to her or anyone who might tell her — she has to know she has someone she can truly trust
— don’t try to make her stop, no threats, no bribes, nothing, it’d just make her hide it more
Seriously,mi think you should really consider calling child protective services, N14 is a minor and her welfare is clearly in danger. Generally speaking if the custodial parent is deemed unfit they’ll try to place the child with family — seeing how BIL has access to their kid, he’d probably be a viable candidate.
And good luck, to all of you (except her mother!)
BIL has had joint custody – but not legally. Bio dad isn’t in the picture at all, N14 doesn’t even know who he is. BIL wants to apply for it, it’s just been a $$ issue, as far as getting legal representation (one of those he makes too much to qualify for aid, not enougn to actually afford a lawyer – we’re working on it)
The mum is allegedly allowing N14 to go forward with counselling (she thinks it’s about school stress… no clue N14’s issues are with her), but we aren’t hopeful this will actually happen.
BIL is considering calling Child Protective Services, though he’s done so before to no avail. They have a tendency to call first before they show up, which gave the mum plenty of time previously to do things like buy food, clean the house, coach the kids, etc. He’s checking what resources may be available to him through his work connections.
Re: cutting – I did it too, so no worries about judgement etc. We had a good talk about why she does it, why I did it at her age, and BIL told her she could call him whenever she feels the urge – whether she will or not who knows, but she knows she can so that’s something. We’re very lucky she’s open with us.
I really appreciate the feedback and advice everyone, thank you :) And the kitty pics!
I’m looking at recycled tunics on Etsy
SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEE
Every year, people have to hand in an essay on the philosophical considerations on ways to know that knowledge works in relation to being human, in order to graduate from a programme I myself graduated from some time back.
Every year, I get the same sort of questions from the people I know from that particular programme, or people who I have talked to, or my sister\s friends who have been told I know about that particular subject.
Every year, its the same conversations. I hate this, I hate that, i don’t know how to, I can’t, why won’t you write this for me, why is it all so fucked up, I hate my life.
I took the exact same course that they took, and I graduated with top marks. I understand I’m perhaps lucky in that I read books or, god forbid, read the class materials, but it still surprises me that after two years (the course is two years) of repeating one very basic point, no one seems to know for a given fact what they’re expected to do when they have to fill out this essay – which boils down to following a set pattern that they have been told, for two years.
I… I just want… for once? FOR ONCE; perhaps, that they follow instructions. It seems to work for math and biology and chemistry and physics and psychology and english and languages in general and economics and everything, but the moment, the very instant someone says “Philosophy”, it’s like brains just switch off. I have found the human sapience killword.
You may be able to detect that I find this entire situation somewhat frustrating, because I have yet not been able to think of a way to remedy it for everyone. There must be something they’re not getting or missing from the instructions they recieve, but what? How? What would make it easier for them to understand what they have to do, when, after two years of instructions, they still don’t understand what they have to do?
Philosophy bootcamp? I got nothing. Examples involving ice cream tend to work for stats, but idk if you can work treats into your examples.
Tracy — ahhhh. As for buying food and such, she gonna buy a mattress and bed? Too bad about the $$, her de facto dad sounds much better than her biological mother.
Ice cream will do, I can work with ice cream.
You have to tell them to do what they want to do, when they want to do it. Then they’ll hear what you’re actually saying. Otherwise, everything goes through a filter that triggers whining until a) they finally shut the fuck up and do it, b) somebody gets so sick of hearing them that they do it for them, or c) it’s too late and they fail (which triggers a whole new chorus of whining).
@Tracy – does N14 have a phone with a camera that can document what life is really like in the house before the services call around? Domestic violence services may be able to help too – she’s experiencing domestic abuse from her mother so I would assume that fits within their mandate.
Have you thought about getting a lawyer for your niece instead of your BIL? It would probably be pro bono (free) then.
Attorney Guardian Ad Litem – In this capacity, the attorney serves in the special role of guardian ad litem or GAL, and is responsible to represent the child’s “best interests.” This is frequently the role of the child’s attorney in child protection (abuse, neglect and dependency) cases.*
*http://www.naccchildlaw.org/?page=Attorney_Children
Just a random thought from someone whose experience with law and children comes from watching too many episodes of Law & Order:SVU.
Have some beagles:
Hey, fellow SPINSTERS, look at LBT’s artwork for our Ravelry group!
but they always call me 12 hours before the deadline and magically expect me to solve their issues. Aarragh.
Thank you for being a voice of reason. Along with Argenti’s suggestion of getting myself some ice cream, I am no longer frustrated (That was what you meant, right, Argenti? Because I’m having ice cream now. It’s delicious. Your ideas are the best)