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The “Tell Her Her Soul Is Dog Sh*t” dude declares that I’m a “misogyny pimp.”

If Jason Gregory were this adorable, it would be hard to stay mad at him

If Jason Gregory were this adorable kitty, it would be hard to stay mad at him

Hey, everybody!

So you remember that post a couple of days ago, that one in which I quoted Jason Gregory’s most peculiar dating advice for angry men? You know, the one in which he suggested that men rebuff women who are interested in them with a long and rather nasty assortment of misogynistic insults? You know, like these:

Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket.

And he went on like that for several more sentences. You can read the whole quote in my original piece, or in his original post on A Voice for Men.

Well, it turns out I totally misinterpreted Jason Gregory’s post, according to an unbiased and neutral outside observer named Jason Gregory, no relation to the original Jason Gregory, who’s written a post about it on his blog.

Hold on, I’m being told that this second Jason Gregory is in fact also the first Jason Gregory.

Anyway, according to Jason Gregory, even though Jason Gregory did explicitly tell men to “tell her … that her soul is dog-shit” he didn’t really mean to tell men to “tell her … that her soul is dog-shit.”

No, he only hypothetically meant this. He was just trying to suggest was how mean the ladies are when they turn down men.

What he was really trying to express, he now says, was that

men need to learn self-respect and to value their selves in totality—including the importance of valuing their sexuality.

Pretty weird how that came out in the original post as

Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket.

But, he insists, his aim was really quite noble. As he explains now, he wasn’t just trying to stand up for the dignity of men — he was trying to protect women from having their inboxes filled with dick-pics.

I wrote that men should stop giving away cock like it’s worthless. Perhaps if men valued their sexuality, they’d be less inclined to inundate women with emails, messages, and pick-up lines. Perhaps if men actually valued their sexuality, the ladies at Jezebel wouldn’t be so inclined to complain about all the free-cock oppression. Perhaps if men actually valued their sexuality, men wouldn’t degrade themselves by harassing, begging, and inundating women with dick pics and pleas for their attention and affection.

Indeed, he went on to argue, it was not he who was the real misogynist, but me. J’Accuse!

This might seem a hard case to make, what with the whole “tell her … her soul is dog-shit” bit and numerous other remarks in his original post, like, for example, his description of women who actually enjoy sex:

You may be able to find a few coked-up girls who really get into it—the kind of girls who end up with sweaty hair, mascara, and cum dripping down their cheeks, but those girls usually have emotional disorders and are simply trying to bury their emotional problems in various sorts of drug induced escapes.

And who can forget his suggestion that men make their dates “pay for a juicy sirloin to replace all the jizzed-out protein” they cause to be jizzed out?

But apparently I am the true misogynist because I ran my post making fun of him during my pledge drive. Which makes me a “misogyny pimp.”

This is where the mocking of misogyny becomes misogyny. He doesn’t care about the women who bother to read his blog. Though he may have a few days in which he invites women and other commenters to share and cry about their troubles, any good pimp knows the importance of faking like he cares. Any good pimp knows how to manipulate the emotions of “his bitches.” …

[H]e doesn’t care about why men are sending dick pics and bombarding women with emails and messages through online dating services. He’s not looking for solutions to these problems. He’s not saying that men who do such things may lack self-respect because the value of male sexuality is often viewed as less-than-worthless in our culture.

Wait, what? I don’t care enough about men who harass women so I’m a misogynist?

Exploiting women is a form of misogyny … In this way, Boobz has more in common with an abusive pimp than he has with any heroic slayer of misogyny. Boobz is the misogyny that he mocks. Boobz is a misogyny-pimp.

QED, I guess. Apparently quoting misogynists, mocking misogynists, discussing misogyny, taking notice of misogyny in any way … makes one a misogynist. At least according to a guy who apparently thinks that the only women who really “get into” sex are “coked-up girls” with “emotional disorders” and “cum dripping down their cheeks.”

You’ll notice that last line in Jason’s quote links to a video; that link is from him. It’s a clip from the film Bad Santa. As Jason makes a point of mentioning several times, that’s where he got the “your soul is dog shit” line.

But if you watch the clip you’ll notice one thing about that line, in its original context in the film — it’s not surrounded by a paragraph full of vile misogynistic abuse. Nope, that stuff is all Jason Gregory.

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Posted on January 31, 2014, in a voice for men, are these guys 12 years old?, boner rage, douchebaggery, drama, drama kings, evil sexy ladies, excusing abuse, I'm totally being sarcastic, imaginary backwards land, kitties, lying liars, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, precious bodily fluids and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 335 Comments.

  1. @Kiwi Girl: PACIFIC RIM IS THE SHIZNIT. It teaches that in times of adversity the human race can come together and build giant robots to punch adversity in the face.

    I could go on about PacRim for hours, but the big take-away is it’s all about cooperation and relationships and touchy-feely stuff like that.

    @Argenti: Thanks a lot! They’re getting cuter every day.

    @Katz: Well I guess this just proves that Johnny Depp is an immortal vampire that feeds on the psychic energies of people who think it’s cool and sexy to be depressed.

  2. I enjoyed Pacific Rim a lot too, even though it was just a big doofy action movie. Hell, I even pulled a first and started writing crossover fic of it and one of my story series, focusing on disabled and deep stealth trans people in the giant robot brigade, trying to navigate their various needs while punching monsters. Good times!

  3. Nope, sorry, Depp can’t be the patron saint of all goths until Peter Murphy kicks the bucket.

  4. @LBT: At the very least, punching out Godzilla has got to be cathartic for some people.

    It’s a big doofy action movie, but I think it’s a big doofy action movie with heart. I think the core of what sets it apart is the idea of two people working the giant robot, so it’s not just Shinji and his man-pain alone in his mecha which might also be his mother (I dunno, I haven’t actually watched Evangelion).

  5. RE: Falconer

    Yeah, like, it was definitely a doofy action movie with heart. Also, Idris Elba is classy and makes everything better.

    …I own the novelization and read the stupid comics and took page upon page of notes so I could write fic easily. <.<

  6. Mr C sometimes like mecha so we attempted Evangelion. Gave up pretty quickly though. I feel like it can’t be a coincidence that I’ve encountered multiple whiny angry misogynists whose favorite anime that was.

  7. I’ve been told I should watch Evangelion, but every Gainax anime I’ve seen, I’ve been unable to get through just because I can never tell what the fuck is ever going on. Also apparently there’s rape in it, which is a big no for me.

    I don’t need to watch something incoherent and rapey. I’ve got shit like Princess Jellyfish and Persona 4 to watch instead.

  8. Apparently the guy behind Evangelion doesn’t know what it’s about. Death of the author, indeed.

    … I need to finish playing Persona 4, but I took down my PS2 to set up my PS3, and now there’s Minecraft….

  9. Although I’m not inclined to be too hard on Burton because I do think he’s technically skilled and originality isn’t everything. Nightmare Before Christmas is just a very well-executed movie, for instance.

  10. RE: Falconer

    My friends have been egging me to watch the anime version for ages, but I’m only just now watching it. Not gonna lie, they convinced me because of the fluffy tough guy who’s bi.

    RE: katz

    I have weird feelings about Nightmare Before Christmas. Like, the music is great, the visuals are great, it was a masterwork of stop-motion animation… but I actually don’t really like the story at all! So I watch it maybe once every year or two, but that’s all I need.

    (Also, there’s nostalgia involved: my high school marching band performed the soundtrack my sophomore year, and we sucked, but it was GLORIOUS.)

  11. @LBT: I am fond of the fluffy tough guy who’s bi. He beat up a whole biker gang because they were irritating his mother!

    Also Chie-the-tomboy is awesome. I was kinda shipping her with Mr. Silent Protagonist.

  12. Oh, also, I hear you on the marching band. I am not all that competitive, and it kind of irritated some of the other students who were all, WIN THE TROPHY OR BE A LOSER kind of thing.

    Also, compulsory Christian prayer in a public school extracurricular. Not cool.

    But my last year we did this rockin’ song called Malagueña which was a blast.

  13. @katz

    Although I’m not inclined to be too hard on Burton because I do think he’s technically skilled and originality isn’t everything. Nightmare Before Christmas is just a very well-executed movie, for instance.

    While Nightmare Before Christmas was co-written and produced by Burton, it was actually directed by Henry Selick.

  14. RE: Falconer

    I know, right? Also, it makes my husband happy, because he’s bi and sometimes feels like a unicorn, because bi men don’t exist or some shit.

    Chie is awesome, but I ship her with Yukiko. (Who is also awesome.)

    In our case, competitiveness just never sunk in. We were a downtown public high school marching band with no budget and crappy instruments; we were there for the fun! Our football team sucked too, so it was all okay.

  15. I looooove Pacific Rim and Charlie Hunnam mmmmmm

  16. Sometimes I got the sense that our band director wanted to have a drum and bugle corps instead of a marching band, but noooooooo, he had to accommodate all these woodwinds ….

  17. I honestly had trouble differentiating Stubble McWhiteDude from the other Stubble McWhiteDudes. (Seriously, they churn them out of a factory in Detroit or what?)

  18. At least you weren’t a string player…I got a crappy hunk of wood that was supposed to be a rifle but had no metal at all. There’s a reason I only did one year!

  19. I have weird feelings about Nightmare Before Christmas. Like, the music is great, the visuals are great, it was a masterwork of stop-motion animation… but I actually don’t really like the story at all! So I watch it maybe once every year or two, but that’s all I need.

    I didn’t care for it much; I’ve only watched it once. Couldn’t understand the lyrics in most of the songs, and didn’t like Jack Skellington. It was a very well-done film, just not my style.

    Toy Story’s more my thing. ;)

  20. Nightmare Before Christmas is one of those movies that I’ve never been able to get into. I’m not sure why. I found it creepy, and not in the way it’s supposed to be creepy. Maybe because it’s clay animation?

  21. What always intrigued me about Nightmare Before Christmas was what I saw as one of the main themes – the struggle of an artist to reach past his comfort zone and create something new and different, while dealing with fans of his ‘old’ stuff who don’t understand what he’s trying to do.

    We used to play the intro song (“This is Halloween”) before the boys went out to trick or treat, to set the mood. That seems so long ago now.

  22. Is the thisiswhyyou’resingle blog/Tumblr/whatever it is still around? Because if so all of buttboy’s theories about how hooking up works should be on there.

    What, what are these “theories”? I’m just pointing out the toxic dynamic on these internet dating sites, and how I think it’s bad for all involved.

  23. Are you going to actually address what we said?

  24. Piss off, trollboy, Beavis is looking for you.

  25. What, what are these “theories”? I’m just pointing out the toxic dynamic on these internet dating sites, and how I think it’s bad for all involved.

    Really? You’re unable to follow your own line of reasoning?

  26. The “toxic dynamic” is created specifically by douchey guys who send out random, nonspecific mash notes and/or dickpix to every woman they can, and who get abusive when ignored or turned down. I know it’s a terrible effort for your brain when it’s trapped up your ass, but TRY to stay with us here.

  27. how I think it’s bad for all involved

    Your take-away from the whole OKC account discussion was “woman can just ignore the creepers”.

  28. Every time I’ve ever tried to ignore a creeper, he just got creepier. Explain that one to me…

  29. Is it just me who’s getting a whiff of sock from trollboy’s sudden attempts to be oh-so-reasonable?

  30. This must be that “moderate” wing of the MRBM I keep hearing so much about.

  31. I’m just wondering if this is one of the recurrent trolls (blog herpes, cassandrakitty calls ‘em) trying it on again.

  32. My new theory with this one is that he’s conducting an experiment to see if it’s possible to literally bore people to death over the internet.

  33. He’ll never get a grant for that, it’s not original research.

  34. I have an experiment for him to try, modelled roughly on the 40-hour famine. It’s the 40-year STFU and stop typing at this -athon.
    :)

  35. Owww, it hurts:

    “This is where the mocking of misogyny becomes misogyny.”
    What? Is that a thing? No. No, it isn’t. Can mocking racism lead to racism too? No…but maybe to a racist…

    “He doesn’t care about the women who bother to read his blog. Though he may have a few days in which he invites women and other commenters to share and cry about their troubles, any good pimp knows the importance of faking like he cares. Any good pimp knows how to manipulate the emotions of “his bitches.”

    We’re bitches? David is a pimp? Someone is projecting his balls off.

    “[H]e doesn’t care about why men are sending dick pics and bombarding women with emails and messages through online dating services. He’s not looking for solutions to these problems.”

    Errr, the guys doing have a problem, yeah sure. Otherwise, I don’t know of a charitable way to ask these guys to stop sending unsolicited selfies. Do we gather up funds to bribe them?

    “He’s not saying that men who do such things may lack self-respect because the value of male sexuality is often viewed as less-than-worthless in our culture.”

    Less than worthless, eh? Explain how porn is an industry (yep, women like porn too, though, the last time I checked, most of it wasn’t devoted to my female gaze). Explain, explain, explain, asshole, how male sexuality is considered worthless. Or did you really mean that these men, in particular, aren’t getting sex despite acting like total sex pests and it’s **sniff** so unfair. **sniff**

  36. I have an experiment for him to try, modelled roughly on the 40-hour famine. It’s the 40-year STFU and stop typing at this -athon. :)

    Oh gods yes, THIS!

    Someone is projecting his balls off.

    Owwww

    I wonder how these losers would like to get their dickpics back … photoshopped?

  37. I wonder how these losers would like to get their dickpics back … photoshopped?

    ::chuckle:: wonders with glee about in what manner Kittehs would photoshop them….bigger? wider? adding gentital warts? sweaters? looking like the furrinati got a hold of them?

    possibilities, possibilities. :P

  38. The OP is clearly trying to “gotcha” us by turning feminist theory back on feminists, but he mostly just ends up sounding like a Furby: he’s heard the words and can repeat them, but he hasn’t understood them and can’t use them in a way that makes sense.

  39. @neuroticbeagle

    Oh, please say sweaters, that would be awesome XD

  40. Yes, sweaters would be hilarious.

    “The poor dears looked so cold, you know.”

  41. LOL I was thinking more like they’d been through a mincer, or were really sunburnt, but something just bizarre and humiliating would work!

  42. Whoop, better save those for looking at tonight, then!

  43. @leftwingfox

    According to urban dictionary ‘googly eye sex’ is actually a thing.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=googly%20eye%20sex

    The things you can learn on the internets never ceases to amuse.

  44. AAAAAAAAAAAH no I’m not looking at that!

  45. It’s ok, it’s just the definition – no pictures. (couldn’t find any quickly)

  46. Thank Ceiling Cat for that. Just thinking about the term’s bad enough.

  47. I wonder how these losers would like to get their dickpics back … photoshopped?

    Me and hubby used to look at the m4m section of Craigslist and then I’d use MSpaint to give them little happy faces and clever sayings and personalities.

    This is why “Dick the Mennonite” is a thing in my head, by the way.

  48. Neuroticbeagle: I’m hoping that this is a case of people Making Shit Up online, and not a case of Quantum fetish mechanics. (SFW)

  49. Eh, I know that his somewhat late but in the GTO manga and anime, the main character Onizuka is NOT in his late ’20’s, he’s only 22 and newly graduated from college. And it is no wonder you would hate it, it’s BY A STRAIGHT MAN, FOR STRAIGHT MEN.

  50. Eh, I know that his somewhat late but in the GTO manga and anime, the main character Onizuka is NOT in his late ’20′s, he’s only 22 and newly graduated from college. And it is no wonder you would hate it, it’s BY A STRAIGHT MAN, FOR STRAIGHT MEN.

    I AM A STRAIGHT MAN AND I DO NOT PREY ON 14 YEAR OLD GIRLS THANK YOU VERY MUCH why do you think I would find this guy representational

    And “only 22 and newly graduated from college” IS NOT HELPING.

  51. This is why “Dick the Mennonite” is a thing in my head, by the way.

    That dickshopping session must have been something else.

  52. ::ignores Mejas claiming that straight men perv on teenage girls because that would be MISANDRY::

    “Dick the Mennonite” should have his own comic.

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