Tell Her That Her Soul Is Dog-Sh*t: Dating advice from A Voice for Men
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So over on A Voice for Men, young Jason Gregory seems faintly jealous that young women who put up dating profiles online tend to get flooded with messages — and the occasional dick pic — from horny guys.
F]ree cock is everywhere. Men give it away like it’s worthless. … I doubt that it is unusual at all for a woman to get 300 messages in her inbox from men who are desperate for female affection, approval, and sex. There is no doubt in my mind that men send “dick-pics” and clamor, bother, and sometimes harass women for their affections and attentions.
But Jason feels no sympathy for young women who put up profiles hoping to meet some nice young fellow who’s also into Sherlock and Neil Gaiman and Indian food and instead get messages from guys who introduce themselves by expressing a desire to ejaculate in their hair.
No, Jason is angry because he’s convinced all these offers of “free cock” only serve to make the women of the world into snooty-stuck stuck-up so-and-sos who think they’re all that and a folder full of dick pics.
All you men who give it away, all you do is reinforce the entitlement mentality of women who believe that their being present is plenty. You reinforce the idea that women don’t owe anything to the relationship—that they deserve a free-ride of cocks and that they don’t even have to break a sweat.
Jason, I should add, means this last bit literally. He’s resentful that when he allegedly engages in the act of coitus he has to do all the work while his alleged partners allegedly lie there like inflatable love-dolls.
Anyhoo,.Jason has a plan to take these stuck-up ladies down a peg or two: A cock strike.
Yep, he wants men to start saying “no” to women who are interested in them, just to see how they like it. But he doesn’t want them to just say no. He wants them to be giant dicks about it.
Try telling a girl no. Tell her, after she makes it clear that she wants your cock, that you’re not interested in giving it to her. Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket. Tell her that she is never going to be any good at sucking cock and that she needs to stop pretending that she is doing any favors and learn to compensate for her inadequacies by becoming “kinky.” Tell her that her vapid life of shoes and pop-culture and materialism are soulless pursuits of dog-shit. Watch what happens. If you Jez-ladies wanna know what “hostile” means, see this rejected woman.
Emphasis mine.
A Voice for Men, you may recall, sees itself as leading the most important civil rights movement of the 21st century. I am sure Jason Gregory’s post here will be remembered alongside Martin Luther King’s Letter from a Birmingham Jail as a classic in civil rights literature.
EDIT: I added a couple more “allegedlys” to a sentence I thought needed them.
Posted on January 28, 2014, in a voice for men, are these guys 12 years old?, boner rage, cock blockade, douchebaggery, evil sexy ladies, I'm totally being sarcastic, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men and tagged a voice for men, men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 600 Comments.
@HeatherN, at least they’re practicing equality.
I’m sorry Im laughing again .
And yeah what does he mean “they can’t do shit” ? He’s under the umbrella of protection from friends and bar owner (who knew him ..yeah because his hobby was there) from her doing what shit ?
Another fantasy .
1 ?
To be clear, you compared a kink of mine to necrophilia. I realise shaming me wasn’t your intent, but usually you are supportive of not hurting other people while aiming at MRAs. So yeah, please don’t do that.
The Real Doll solution is more about lesser evils to me. At least the person fucking a Real Doll is not hurting a sapient being.
Great article, Jason.
You said it just the way it is.
Thanks for the repost and personal comments too, Manboobz.
@auggziliary: True, that.
NOBODY HAVE SEX! Aside from the extinction of the species, what could possibly go wrong?
@ Bostonian
Yeah, and I support their existence for that reason. Still find it disturbing to watch some of the documentaries about the owners, though, especially the guys who have lots of them and keep them stacked around their home naked, or the guys who rant online about how much better than real women they are because they can’t say no.
I’m picturing some random guy about to walk out of a pub with a woman at the end of the night, and some other guy walking up to him and saying “don’t do it! stop giving women the satisfaction of thinking they can get cock whenever they want it! fight the power!” and the first guy being like, um, what?
Kim, I apologise.
The guys who creep me out the most are the ones who want robots that are aware to be sex slaves.
That is too horrifying for me to contemplate.
Bostonian – yes, those guys are appalling.
Nice talking with you, see ya, is pretty much exactly what almost everyone says after the pool shooting or darts league or whatever at the local watering hole. The “flash of rage” response instead of the old fashioned see ya is a new thing I guess the youngsters added recently. Or maybe, just maybe, the MRA made it up.
@kittehserf – I’m curious if you would feel the same way if they made a robotic sex doll for women, meaning a male-shaped bot/doll that was anatomically correct and women embraced using them rather than having sex with real men?
I realize this is mostly hypothetical.
I also do not get why there aren’t male versions (actually no, I know why, the weird double standard that says women only want sex for connection and babies and never want just sex despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary) and why every single time a futurist or scifi story depicts sexbots they’re always women created for het/bi men, particularly when you consider that women using mechanical aids to orgasm has been going on for well over a century and has very little social stigma, compared to the stigma against men who use Real Dolls, and that so many women report being unable to orgasm during sex and men finishing too soon, PLUS the whole “a sexbot would never be a threat to you and would never demand that you make it a sandwich” thing.
Actually I got curious and looked into this once, and male-looking Real Doll equivalents exist, it’s just that women don’t seem to be interested in buying them in significant numbers.
Yes its a fantasy .
Normally when I go somewhere like a party or gathering and I end up talking to someone a lot while there .When Its time to go I say “bye nice talking to you .” I think the “flash of rage” is a hallucination induced by his fantasy that the whole time the woman was standing there jonesing for his “cock” ..So he walks away laughing like “gotcha ” and she never gives him a second thought.
drst – it’d give me a touch of the wibblies for the uncanny valley reasons and so on, but without the fear of misogyny affecting the user’s relations with people. That’s a major part of it for me: it’s the disgusting MRAs that Kim mentioned (and I apologise again, Kim, for hurting you) and the whole misogyny question plus the rest of it. That may be very sexist on my part, I guess. :(
::snicker:: I missed that bit and can just imagine MRAs screaming that it’s misandry and the bots should be programmed to demand sammiches.
OT: hey, any Illinois manboobzers, did you know you’ve all been exorcised? Bishop Thomas John Paprocki is quite upset about this whole marriage equality thing, it seems.
What a pity his name isn’t John Thomas Paprocki. :P
This guy kind of reminds me of that scene from Happiness. The Jon Lovitz character wasn’t supposed to be aspirational guys.
Some people fetishize shoes. I think doll fetishists are just that, people with fetishes. I know that, but the dolls do sort of look like dead women to me and that does give me some heebie-jeebies. Then again, dildos that come in realistic flesh tones have a squickiness about them to me too. Make it rainbow colors and give it sparkles or something. Just don’t make it look like a real disembodied penis because that makes me think of a real disembodied penis and that is a turn off. That’s just my own personal hang up. No judgement to flesh tone dildo havers or sex doll enthusiasts.
Thank goodness none of us are required to get each other’s approval before we like something, because that rainbow sparkle thing probably just made some people reading say, “Ew”.
As to doxxing: This is my name.
The sexbot in A.I. was male, but I highly doubt a woman came up with his “seduction technique”.
Mine is hot pink ..(tee hee)
Some of the guys who own Real Dolls seem to be fetishists, but the thing is, some don’t. From the most commonly seen documentaries for example I’d say DaveCat is an actual doll fetishist, but the guys who talk about how angry they are with real women and how the dolls are better because they can’t say no, and make it clear that they think the same should be true of actual women? That’s not a fetish, that’s just misogyny.
I’ve seen some male dolls, but the ones I say weren’t as real looking. They were just the generic inflatable with painted on abs and cheetah print undies.
Spencers has an entire penis party section, for bachelorette parties. Friggin dong cake/cupcake pans, confetti, straws, sunglasses, lollipops, hats, everything. I know that’s not the same, but whenever I hear people bio-truth about women not liking sex/penis and only doing it for love, I just want to rush them into that store and let them soak in the sheer magnitude of penis merchandise specifically for women. And this doesn’t include the sex toy section.
I read a short SF story years ago, Trojan Horse, that featured a male sexbot made for a woman. Can’t remember who wrote it, but the protagonist temporarily replaces the robot, with the aid of a lot of makeup or prosthetics or some such.
Cassandrakitty,
True, but those guys would still be misogynists without the dolls.
dallasapple, i’m too chicken to get one…probably because I been single for so long. I think I will build the courage to date this year.
Yep, in those cases the dolls are a symptom, not the cause.
In terms of why there are very few sci-fi stories featuring sexbots for women I’d guess that the answer is that most sci-fi authors have historically been men, most of whom don’t think women have any sexuality that isn’t just a response to a man’s sexuality.
I think every fetish is going to have misogynists in it. Misogynists can figure out ways to make *anything* for themselves.
Also! For anyone looking for a live-action version of a story like that, I liked this one. It gets silly in parts, but overall it’s really funny and charming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettai_Kareshi_%28TV_Series%29
That’s all too true, auggz. :(
Just out of curiosity, do they make humanoid alien-looking Real Dolls, because it seems like there would be a market for that.
Must Google…….
@leatapp
Curious Justabrown girl ,
Why would being single make you afraid to get a vibrator ? I never had one until I was married but still LOL!! That’s only because I was too shy to ever go in one of those places until I was in my mid 30s . My husband and I went together .
Anyway why would single make a difference ?
dallasapple, I had put… let said the woman aside and been focuse on the mother role (single mom of two, one happens to be special needs), and I very much an introvert, that I’m painfully akward interacting with others. I hope I explain my self clearly.
auggziliary,
I’ve seen that one before. I was thinking more of the high end kind. I found an elf and an alien with transparent skin by Google-ing. From that, I’m going to assume that means here is no limit to the customization possibilities.
justabrowngirl,
Have you considered ordering online? It’s discrete and easy.
I love the notion that women flock to dating sites for the free cock. Yes, that’s just what we’re thinking as we read through profiles…”How long will the BOGO sale last?”
leatapp, don’t know where to start? And more importantly getting over(hang up) and out of my own way…that is a pandora box I’m not ready to open. But thank you for your suggestion.
Buttercup, get them while they are hot, lmao.
All those posts on how angry women get when we are so very rarely turned down… why????? Why would a woman get angry about one guy turning her down when there’s a bar FULL of men to pick from, and you are the only guy willing to turn down sex!
I have been on the receiving end of actual anger when I told men that I wasn’t going home with them. Apparently I “led them on” by enjoying a friendly conversation or nearly falling in front of them*. I know for a fact I am not alone in this. Fuck this guy, seriously.
*I was drunk and grabbed a low-hanging rafter for balance, and the thought I was doing a sexy dance for him. When I explained about the almost falling, he just said, “no you didn’t”, so matter-of-fact. SO glad I had an excuse to get away from him.
I read BOGO as a typo for BOZO (hadn’t seen the acronym before).
A bozo on a pogo stick, maybe … though that’s more talent than any MRA is likely to have.
I can’t weigh in on the sex toy discussion, but I sympathize with you, justabrowngirl…it’s really hard to find the time and energy for “womanly pursuits” when you’re wearing the mommy hat 24/7. Maybe online erotica would help get you back in touch with that side of yourself (pun intended)? Hope things will get easier for you as your kids get older.
emilygoddess, I tend to smile timidly when I’m fluster or nervous, I find a lot of the mans that aproached me in public thinks that some how flirting…whebn in reality I’m uncomfortable and trying to politely decline their invitation.
Boho bonobos playing polo on pogos.
No woman could possibly resist that!
Those kind of guys interpret everything up to and including “I hate you, and find you physically repulsive. Never talk to me again” as “See, she totally wants me”.
Buttercup, thank you… (lol) just posting here is my first steps in finding myself again (I mean you are never to old) I’m 35 years old, my oldest child is 17yrs(soon with be going to college), my youngest 12 yrs has come a long way, inspite of his limitation. So I think I’m in a time of my life to dust my self off and try again.
And/or they ignore all the “no” signals so they can later claim “she never said no”. *shudder*
Well, it is a cute image! :D
Well as you can see I’m a walking statistics,marry too young, had kids too early, waited too long to leave, but I don’t let get me down. I have work my way back up and will continue to do so. And now I will get off my soap box, thanks for listening.
@kitteh – yup, with the added bonus that bonobos are peace-loving, matriarchal, and sexually liberated. They are the anti-MRA.
Like the alpha wolf, they exist in nature, and therefore mankind has absolutely no choice but to replicate their social structure in the sexual marketplace, because biology and logic. (At least we’re closer kin to them than wolves….)
Buttercup – I heard your last paragraph in the voice of zefrank1 (he who does the True Facts videos). :D
Look, a kitty sweater!
@Heather N: Nobody have sex? Ha! Yeah, right. Once more women start to realize dick isn’t being handed out like candy anymore, they’ll start crawling for it.
As for what the writer said, he’s reflecting what women say to men when they reject them oh but yeah, dating is so hard for you. I know it must be difficult for all of you to read AND comprehend since your brain cells are focused on stressing over the next evils that the ‘patriarchy’ must be plotting, so I figured I’d help you out. You’re welcome!
@kittehserf – yeah I feel much the same way. On principle I don’t see a reason to object to people using real dolls or, if they existed, sexbots (non-sentient ones anyway) but the attitude regarding women that leads some MRA types into using a substitute is alarming. Then again, it’s the attitude, not the action that’s the source of the problem, unless that attitude bleeds out from how they treat the inanimate object to how they treat actual people.
I remember the last time the sexbot thing came up we were all fairly convinced MRAs wouldn’t be satisfied with “dominating” a sexbot because it wasn’t an actual human and most of their drive is about making women miserable. They wouldn’t get the right charge out of a robot.
(I mean “dominating” not as in the BDSM sense which is totally cool for consenting people who are into it but dominating as in abusive behavior.)
@justabrowngirl – Obviously you should not do anything you’re not comfortable doing, but if you are considering buying something for yourself, the Good Vibrations site has a whole page of shopping guides on various subjects (I would suggest the “Staff Favorites” one as a good neutral starting place). http://www.goodvibes.com/content.jhtml?id=Good-Vibes-Shopping-Guides
They also make vibrators and toys that are very small and easily concealed if you’re concerned about keeping a curious kid from finding it. Just look for the “Discreet” category. I’d stick with battery operated and ones with a low intensity rating if you’ve never used one before, so it’s not too overwhelming, which is how I started. (And again, if you’re not ready or it’s not your thing, that’s absolutely fine.)
And I hear you on getting flustered, except I tend to look even more grumpy, which leads to men labeling me a bitch. There is no winning for anyone. :\
I advise anyone trying to pick and choose animal behaviors as guides for morality to go live naked in the forest. You know, like chimpanzees would.
“Nobody have sex? Ha! Yeah, right. Once more women start to realize dick isn’t being handed out like candy anymore, they’ll start crawling for it. ”
Any day now…
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Just you wait…
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Y’know, if these AVFM guys aren’t careful, people might get the impression that they hate women.
kristalgarcia: Sure. You just keep telling yourself that.
That’s particularly hilarious given the extensive discussion in this thread of male dolls, vibrators and dildos.
@drst
OMG, I want the one that hooks up to my iPod! My sexual horizons were just blown open!
Thanks for the link ;)
Hands up everyone who’d rather have a vibrator or dildo than a penis that’s attached to a man who’d write what’s in the OP.
“…so I figured I’d help you out. You’re welcome!”
@ kristalgarcia
Do I smell a sock?
>_>
drst, thanks for the advice…I appreciate it…I will give a whirl.
@cassandrakitty
*raises hand*
Also that nonMRA men are the majority of men, and they are not going to be part of the cock blockade.
No crawling by women will be necessary, contrary to your overheated imagination.
Also dick is not being handed out like candy, it is more being littered everywhere like spam.
cassandrakitty, hands way up!! (waves).
If it’s being handed out it’s less “would you like some candy?” and more “
“TAKE THIS FUCKING CANDY RIGHT NOW OR ELSE”
(Hit enter too soon)