Tell Her That Her Soul Is Dog-Sh*t: Dating advice from A Voice for Men
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So over on A Voice for Men, young Jason Gregory seems faintly jealous that young women who put up dating profiles online tend to get flooded with messages — and the occasional dick pic — from horny guys.
F]ree cock is everywhere. Men give it away like it’s worthless. … I doubt that it is unusual at all for a woman to get 300 messages in her inbox from men who are desperate for female affection, approval, and sex. There is no doubt in my mind that men send “dick-pics” and clamor, bother, and sometimes harass women for their affections and attentions.
But Jason feels no sympathy for young women who put up profiles hoping to meet some nice young fellow who’s also into Sherlock and Neil Gaiman and Indian food and instead get messages from guys who introduce themselves by expressing a desire to ejaculate in their hair.
No, Jason is angry because he’s convinced all these offers of “free cock” only serve to make the women of the world into snooty-stuck stuck-up so-and-sos who think they’re all that and a folder full of dick pics.
All you men who give it away, all you do is reinforce the entitlement mentality of women who believe that their being present is plenty. You reinforce the idea that women don’t owe anything to the relationship—that they deserve a free-ride of cocks and that they don’t even have to break a sweat.
Jason, I should add, means this last bit literally. He’s resentful that when he allegedly engages in the act of coitus he has to do all the work while his alleged partners allegedly lie there like inflatable love-dolls.
Anyhoo,.Jason has a plan to take these stuck-up ladies down a peg or two: A cock strike.
Yep, he wants men to start saying “no” to women who are interested in them, just to see how they like it. But he doesn’t want them to just say no. He wants them to be giant dicks about it.
Try telling a girl no. Tell her, after she makes it clear that she wants your cock, that you’re not interested in giving it to her. Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket. Tell her that she is never going to be any good at sucking cock and that she needs to stop pretending that she is doing any favors and learn to compensate for her inadequacies by becoming “kinky.” Tell her that her vapid life of shoes and pop-culture and materialism are soulless pursuits of dog-shit. Watch what happens. If you Jez-ladies wanna know what “hostile” means, see this rejected woman.
Emphasis mine.
A Voice for Men, you may recall, sees itself as leading the most important civil rights movement of the 21st century. I am sure Jason Gregory’s post here will be remembered alongside Martin Luther King’s Letter from a Birmingham Jail as a classic in civil rights literature.
EDIT: I added a couple more “allegedlys” to a sentence I thought needed them.
Posted on January 28, 2014, in a voice for men, are these guys 12 years old?, boner rage, cock blockade, douchebaggery, evil sexy ladies, I'm totally being sarcastic, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men and tagged a voice for men, men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 600 Comments.
I hope that was a suitably powerful equine snort, accompanied by a pawing hoof.
Chie is my favorite character from the series! Was just thinking about going back and revisiting that game. I’ve been playing Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim lately. So bored with my games. I’m waiting for Dragon Age 3 later this year.
RE: Chie
I’m watching the anime, rather than playing the game, but I’m enjoying it. Kanji’s my favorite so far.
RE: Kittehs
Hell no, I ain’t into that!
Wait just a darn minute here! Isn’t that all the obnoxious negging stuff they tell PUA men to say to women when they do want to have the sexy times?
LBT – LOL I didn’t think you would be, given you don’t like unicorns. Maybe just a fine horse instead? (Hey, you’re talking to someone whose childhood games involved reenacting the Silver Brumby series.) :P
Then he should stop fucking inflatable love-dolls.
@LBT, if you’re going to go around helping abused men, we’re going to have to cut up your feminist card.
(Seriously, though, it takes major guts to step in when that sort of thing is going down. You’re literally a hero.)
@Jojo
You know what? If you’re going to claim you’re being attacked because someone informed you that what you said was hurtful, I don’t think we’ll miss you.
So he thinks that following this plan is going to make women more likely to date him, or men in general? Cause it sounds like a plan to make any woman who’s even a little bit bisexual declare permanent allegiance to the other team to me.
This guy Jason is like a pin, but without either its head or its point. He couldn’t get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if he smeared his body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance. What an asshat… doesn’t he realize he still won’t be getting any, logic is not strong with this one.
What is even more flattering (and amusing) than being inboxed a hundred times from men who want the V, is witnessing the green eyed monster of a vfm fellow getting so worked up enough about the attention we get to want to have a call to action of men everywhere to stop giving us attention, all in the name of taking us down a peg. ;)
BTW, good job, LBT. Bye, JoJo. You’re not going to be welcome on any social justice focused blog until you learn to stop assuming that your feelings count more than everyone else’s.
Nice how he thinks the appropriate revenge for womankind not answering their flood of dating site harassment is not ignoring them in return, but completely tearing them down in the worst and sexist way possible. He really feels like a woman not answering his message is the equivalent of her degrading and humiliating him.
I’m thinking this needs at least one more “allegedly.” BRB
I hope for his sake he doesn’t try this plan on anyone who writes for a living.
Angry dude – YOUR SOUL IS DOG SHIT
Amused writer – Is that supposed to be a metaphor? Because it’s terrible. Now, let’s talk about the rest of your message. I have my red pen right here.
Dog shit has its uses … dogs need to excrete, after all, and it does help fertilise soil, I guess.
Does this dude have any uses (other than the point-and-laugh variety)? ::scratches head:: I can’t think of any at present.
David – shouldn’t that be alleged inflatable love dolls? ;)
I’m ready to start a charity to provide all these guys with Real Dolls if they’ll agree to leave women alone forever as soon as their receive their doll.
They, not their. Need more coffee.
cassandrakitty, he is validating my mistrust of dating site…I have heard horror stories from friends.
Did I tell you about the guy who sent me a long, detailed fantasy about how he was going to draw me, and at first I would only be comfortable letting him do so in public and fully clothed, but as I got to know him better I’d feel so safe that we’d progress to private spaces, and then nudes, and then eventually we’d become lovers, because I was born to be his muse? Yeah, dating sites are just awesome for women.
Maybe it’s all a cunning plan to get *other* guys to do this, so more ladies for him. Like how women trick others into cutting their hair short.
These guys want so badly to be cunning manipulators, but they’re missing both the cunning part and the interpersonal skills required to successfully manipulate people.
Does he really think women are going to be upset to miss out on the chance to have sex with him? Is his dick made of rainbows or something?
GillieMimosa, didn’t you know is (god gift to woman).
A cunning plan? Baldrick would never behave like this!
I can’t imagine the Real Doll plan would work, because the dolls would rebel.
SELF-DEFLATING INITIALISED
I do find Real Dolls a bit scary looking, personally. Never have understood how the uncanny valley effect doesn’t put people off, but I think I have a stronger than average reaction to that.
Maybe they think women try to trick each other with implausible and overcomplicated tricks because they try to trick each other with implausible and overcomplicated tricks.
You do have to wonder how much of the “women have an evil plan to make men do X by doing Y” stuff is projection.
It’s a valuable diagnostic tool. You can do all kinds of tests on it to find out what’s wrong with a sick doggie.
Also, it’s delicious food for flies.
This guy got his comeuppance back in the 1960s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ5RKG2FqGo. Time travel!
I can’t imagine wanting to fuck anything that isn’t another person. Whether it’s a Real Doll, one of those AUGGH NO plush versions, or Roosh’s Walmart bargain basement inflatable doll, a thing that’s a pretence of being another person, but not alive, is just … yeah, it creeps me out as a fleshlight or whatever never could. (I know, I know, YMMV; this is my reaction.)
I just hope none of the dudes who complain about women being passive during sex don’t actually use sex dolls. It’d make me think 1) are you sure you’ve ever had sex with another person and 2) if you have, could it be you treated her like your doll, so duh, no wonder.
I really don’t buy the argument that a Real Doll is a sex toy in the same way a vibrator is. There’s something about a toy that’s designed to replicate a person, and that the user relates to as if it was a kind of pseudo-person, that’s just different.
Also works great when left anonymously on the doorstep of yer friendly neighborhood asshole, preferably in a burning paper bag.
Or so I’m told.
But women should be grateful for any and all attention from teh menz! (/sarcasm) Like this attention, for instance:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/21138484/search-for-woman-who-vanished-after-night-out/
I can nearly hear the MRAs screaming about creep-shaming.
Seriously though, I really genuinely hope this young woman is okay, and that she turns up safe and sound.
As for internet dating, I’ve mixed feelings on the subject. Yes, there are a lot of horrible, appalling, entitled men lurking out there on dating sites, but there are also men like my partner, who I met online five years ago. He’s a peach, a real keeper, (and actually introduced me to this site… mangina!!!!). My advice would be to check out a bunch of different sites before committing to one – some have better safeguards in place. The one I used, for instance, had the feature that anyone wanting to message you had to send a request first. This meant you could check their profile, see if they were remotely suitable before they got to send you any messages. I still got inappropriate messages (of course) but not as many as I would have without that feature in place. Overall, I found it a positive experience more than a negative.
Or say a fleshlight, that’s basically the penetrating vs penetrated version of a dildo. It’s not a replacement for a person in the same way a Real Doll is, and users to don’t do that “yeah well I don’t need you women because I can get a (toy) and she’s better than you anyway!” thing they do with Real Dolls. As far as I know nobody dresses up their fleshlight and sits it at the dinner table with them during meals.
Jeez I hope not! :D
But yeah, the whole business of sex dolls gets a huge side-eye from me. It’s all very well the “oh poor lonely man” stuff, but this isn’t a child loving zir teddy bear or whatever toy, it’s a man who treats an inanimate object as a replacement for a human, and fucks it. It’s a whole lot further than the way humans routinely invest objects with personalities, imo. The idea that a guy could think a thing is a replacement for a living woman is worrying. The Real Dolls take it straight through the uncanny valley and into necrophilia territory, for me. (Emphasis on “for me”.)
Cassandra – I cannot explain to the other bus passengers why I laughed so loud.
OMG, just read that Reddit message about cum-in-the-hair. Some guys… >headshake<
@kitteh
I know you keep saying it’s just your opinion, but you still sound really judgemental of other people’s preferences.
Kitteh,
Sometimes I feel a little guilt because of how hard I laugh at these ass holes. Because they are serious and its really sad and pathetic .But I can’t help it because it just too absurdly funny .
Kind of like when your toddler throws a melt down tazmanian fit ?And its really bad behavior and it not really “funny” but you find your self having to turn your head and laugh (where they cant see ) because its just like hilarious to watch them wear themselves out having the pity meltdown ? Except these are supposedly grown men and they are talking about their cocks and getting laid ….
AIT and LBT,
Thank you for coming to that man’s aid. *HUGS*
…and you too Freemage. *HUGS*
“Some of the AVFM commenters — all of whom seem to love his post — think that women secretly love getting dick pics.”
They also think we only want to be sent rape fantasies
“A lot of women just post profiles just to recive validation. A lot of females shot men down in a hostile manner.
Why are you upset about men not reading your profile? Why should they? Long thought out messages do not increase the chance of a reply.
Demanding long thought out messages is entitled. The females who demand them still ignore them anyway.
If I still used online dating I would just copy and paste rape fantasies. Only thing that worked for me. (I strongly advise never to do this! Would never do this now.)
I was so desperate for female attention at the time I gave them what they wanted. (Remembering how desperate I was is quite embarrassing now.)
Online dating was my first step towards taking the red pill. It helped break my female worship.”
Like WHAT!?! I just don’t even….
I think your overall point is valid. But you know there’s at least one guy out there doing this.
True. The internet has taught me that however unlikely a given behavior seems, there’s bound to be someone out there somewhere doing it right now.
Kim, when it comes to men using things to replicate women, yeah, that is my gut reaction and it is judgemental, because it sets all my alarm bells going. I don’t think it operates in a vacuum and like Cassandra said, I don’t think a doll can be called a sex toy like a fleshlight or dildo.
I don’t have the same attitude towards giving objects more agency, I mean I don’t think I would do it, but I’m not sure it’s that abnormal. I think a real person would be healthier, but if they are able to make a connection that allows them not to spew hatred onto the rest of the world because they are lonely it seems like a good thing to me.
The men over at AVfM and RoK have dehumanized women so much that it’s impossible for them to realize that just like men, women are individuals with different wants and needs. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a minority of women who enjoy getting dick pics and have rape fantasies. (I’m not one of them, by the way). How the preferences of a few women makes it ok for Jason Gregory to treat all women like dirt is beyond me. I just don’t understand men like that.
Oh, and by the way, I just posted a critical comment over at Jugdybitch’s website. Maybe it won’t happen, but I’m preparing to be doxxed soon and get a load of hate emails and Facebook posts. I guess I’ll just have to deal with it. It’s the price I pay for pissing someone in the Manosphere off. But I just couldn’t remain silent.
cupisnique, yikes. And of course that comment gets nothing but upvotes from other AVFMers. That’s right, a dude confesses that he used to sexually harass women on dating sites by sending them rape fantasies, and the other guys there are all like, “yeah, you’re right, those gals on dating sites are all a bunch of stuck up bitches.”
The issue I have with a lot of the guys who have Real Dolls is that if anything it seems to reinforce their sense of entitlement to spew angry misogynistic crap at women, which seems to be related to their belief that a doll is a perfectly adequate substitute for a woman, which tells you something about how they see women. The personification of the dolls seems to be intertwined with the fury about the fact that women have agency, is what I’m saying.
The thought of doxxing gives me serious chills. It’s scary that it really is an effective means of silencing people because of how much it disrupts a person’s life. I mean our lives are so connected to the internet it’s not like you are just ruining one part of their life. You are literally interfering with every aspect of it.
I don’t think a lot of those real doll users are using it necessarily as a “replacement”. I watched a documentary about those guys and it seems like they do actually like the doll and aren’t just pretending it’s a real woman. How they like it? I don’t know. But I don’t think it’s good to assume they’re all just sexist creeps since there’s no way we would know. Some people just have weird sexual(and romantic) behaviors.
@cassandra that may be valid, I think there are people that form connections with inanimate objects, not just misogynists. Seems like it is a condition of some kind, although I am obviously not an expert. I’ve just seen random TLC episodes of like “my weird obsession” or what not where the guy is in love with his car etc.
Oops I mean auggz! how did I mess that up?
Caroline, how do you know they can dox you(I don’t know shit about dozing tbh, I just make sure to never post critical comments on those sites because of that)? That really sucks. I’m sorry.
Oh, nevermind I just got confused ahaha I did mean cassandra… omg… I swear I’m not on drugs.
Yeah, and I’m not sure that there’s any overlap between the “my Real Doll is better than a real woman because she doesn’t talk back, so fuck you ladies!” guys and the ones who tend to personify objects in general.
“Oh, and by the way, I just posted a critical comment over at Jugdybitch’s website. Maybe it won’t happen, but I’m preparing to be doxxed soon and get a load of hate emails and Facebook posts. I guess I’ll just have to deal with it. It’s the price I pay for pissing someone in the Manosphere off. But I just couldn’t remain silent.”
Good luck but they probably won’t listen.
Also, personifying something that looks like a woman, and seeing it as a substitute for a woman, doesn’t seem like quite the same thing as personifying say a car, because cars that are also people with agency don’t exist, but women do.
cassandrakitty, I feel like I fell down the rabbit hole…these doll actually exist? I need to get out more often.
But there are perfectly nice people out there who just have a robot/android fetish or whatever, and your completely justified disgust with MRAs who dehumanise women is getting all over them as well.
I love this comment by an AVfMer it’s priceless:
“My favorite hobby used to be go to a bar with friends to play some darts and dance, I’d chat up some girl and then when friends were ready to go home just said “Nice talking with you, see ya”
The flash of rage across women’s faces when I “turned them down”, even if I told them right from the start I’m not here to pick up anyone (they rarely believe me), and they can’t do shit as I’ve been a perfect gentleman and my friends and the bar owner (who knew me) are right there.
PRICELESS.
And when I say rage, I mean barely contained RED BOILING RAGE. (make sure your witnesses… err, friends, are there and people clearly see you leave alone with your male friends, or seriously don’t do this. )”
1. How is that your FAVOURITE hobby? Seriously…
2. What do you think they would do to you for not taking them home, that they were prevented from doing because you were friends with the owner?
3. I’ve had experiences where I’ve chatted with a guy or guys at a bar and nothing became explicitly or implicitly sexual, yeah I was trying to flirt and it was seeming to go over their heads and eventually I said well.. guess I’m gonna get the bus home, thanks for the evening guys! Was I disappointed? Yes. Did I seethe and boil with rage? Um, nope.
Any “your kink is not my kink but your kink is okay” is nudged into second place by a Gift of Fear type of extreme wariness as far as this is concerned.
I read an article recently . LOTS of people “personify” their car. And a car can represent more to someone that just a necessity . To the extent a car payment on average is paid first over and above other necessities like rent/mortgage/ or health insurance if one has to be late .
A car for many represents “freedom” .
That’s so weird. “My favorite hobby is trying to piss women off in bars by flirting with them and then not fucking them”. Because you just enjoying annoying random women in public places? OK then, dude.
I just have to ask the genius who wrote this: if women are swimming in available cock as you say, why would they care that yours isn’t?
If a woman did the same they’d froth with rage. In fact the post he commented on was a man frothing with rage and bullying women because women turn down dick pics and harassment. They aren’t very self aware, are they?
I guess he thinks he’s going to start a revolution, but the thing is, how many men are willing to give up sex just to potentially make some women feel less confident in their ability to attract men? Not many, I’m guessing.
It’s like “modesty culture” and “purity culture” turned inside out. I mean…who’s even seen the phrase: “All you men who give it away” before?
You have to admit though, the reaction of the group of guys who’re doing just fine in a dating context to hearing about this plan would be hilarious to observe.