Tell Her That Her Soul Is Dog-Sh*t: Dating advice from A Voice for Men
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So over on A Voice for Men, young Jason Gregory seems faintly jealous that young women who put up dating profiles online tend to get flooded with messages — and the occasional dick pic — from horny guys.
F]ree cock is everywhere. Men give it away like it’s worthless. … I doubt that it is unusual at all for a woman to get 300 messages in her inbox from men who are desperate for female affection, approval, and sex. There is no doubt in my mind that men send “dick-pics” and clamor, bother, and sometimes harass women for their affections and attentions.
But Jason feels no sympathy for young women who put up profiles hoping to meet some nice young fellow who’s also into Sherlock and Neil Gaiman and Indian food and instead get messages from guys who introduce themselves by expressing a desire to ejaculate in their hair.
No, Jason is angry because he’s convinced all these offers of “free cock” only serve to make the women of the world into snooty-stuck stuck-up so-and-sos who think they’re all that and a folder full of dick pics.
All you men who give it away, all you do is reinforce the entitlement mentality of women who believe that their being present is plenty. You reinforce the idea that women don’t owe anything to the relationship—that they deserve a free-ride of cocks and that they don’t even have to break a sweat.
Jason, I should add, means this last bit literally. He’s resentful that when he allegedly engages in the act of coitus he has to do all the work while his alleged partners allegedly lie there like inflatable love-dolls.
Anyhoo,.Jason has a plan to take these stuck-up ladies down a peg or two: A cock strike.
Yep, he wants men to start saying “no” to women who are interested in them, just to see how they like it. But he doesn’t want them to just say no. He wants them to be giant dicks about it.
Try telling a girl no. Tell her, after she makes it clear that she wants your cock, that you’re not interested in giving it to her. Tell her that she isn’t interesting, that her soul is dog-shit and that she has nothing to offer other than boobs and booty, that she is a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being, that you don’t find her attractive and that she isn’t even good enough to be a cum-bucket. Tell her that she is never going to be any good at sucking cock and that she needs to stop pretending that she is doing any favors and learn to compensate for her inadequacies by becoming “kinky.” Tell her that her vapid life of shoes and pop-culture and materialism are soulless pursuits of dog-shit. Watch what happens. If you Jez-ladies wanna know what “hostile” means, see this rejected woman.
Emphasis mine.
A Voice for Men, you may recall, sees itself as leading the most important civil rights movement of the 21st century. I am sure Jason Gregory’s post here will be remembered alongside Martin Luther King’s Letter from a Birmingham Jail as a classic in civil rights literature.
EDIT: I added a couple more “allegedlys” to a sentence I thought needed them.
Posted on January 28, 2014, in a voice for men, are these guys 12 years old?, boner rage, cock blockade, douchebaggery, evil sexy ladies, I'm totally being sarcastic, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men and tagged a voice for men, men's rights, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 600 Comments.
Well that strategy does have one thing to commend it… it would make it easier to quickly spot and avoid MRA types.
Once again, we see someone who ignores the reality of what those 300 messages likely contain, and how downright creepy/threatening most of them can be, and just wants to find a reason to be hateful.
Though, on the positive side, people who take his advice? They’re probably not good prospective dates anyway.
So… they’re supposed to tell the few women willing to sleep with them… to go away? And do it in a way that guarantees she won’t be back?
Mwahahahahaha! This shit is hilarious!
Oh hi there Abusers’ Lobby.
Yet again, I must point out that a guy who recently experimented by putting up a female profile on a dating site was forced to take it down after a mere TWO HOURS due to the disgusting onslaught of harassment he received.
Oh …darnit! A cock strike ! Please no!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh lord, guys. This morning, I broke up a violent partner-beating in my apartment complex. (Warnings for violence, cops, and some blood.) It was two army vets, and from what I could tell, it was the woman who beat the shit out of the guy. I broke it up and got the cops and landlord involved, but Jesus, what a way to wake up. I feel like I did the best I could but Jesus. Poor guy. If AIT or pecunium can give me some advice on how I might be able to help in such things in the future (both vets are suffering from PTSD), I’d really appreciate it; I’ll probably be seeing this guy around a fair bit, him leaving direct below me and all.
In happier news, I’m going to be opening up a writeathon this weekend, with the rather appropriate topic of the shadow. I encourage you guys to come and get involved; I think a good art project is just what I need to get my mind off that poor guy. (Because oh, I’m keeping an ear and an eye on him.)
F]ree cock is everywhere. Men give it away like it’s worthless.
Well, I sure ain’t PAYING for the privilege of jumping on your damn dick.
All you men who give it away,
By all means, put your dick behind a pay-wall. The world would thank you. Please. PLEASE only sell your dick to the highest bidder. (All five of them.) (All five of them being your fingers.)
Whats the matter is he spoiled ? Not appreciating all the free non stop cock ?
Chie: But… but he got all the dick-pics he ever wanted*! For free!
*the fact that he wanted exactly 0 dick picks is an irrelevant details in this bold new genital-based economy, apparently.
Grr. Bad fox. Spellcheck you’self.
These past 2 posts: “Men are loving and caring!”
This post: “Totally degrade someone because other members of their gender don’t enjoy harassment”.
Can you imagine their reaction if a woman wrote an article telling women to refuse all men because most men aren’t fucking every woman around them so women feel better about themselves?
LBT:
Are you anywhere near any military installations? I might be able to contact the Chaplain at your local installation and see if there’s anything they can do, or if nothing else I could get you their number
Actually, after some consideration I imagine this might actually be a winning strategy – for the women. It makes it so much easier to identify which men should be totally ignored if they’re so open about their misogyny.
And these guys wonder why no one shows interest in them…what a way to try to attract people by acting like an petulant, obnoxious and spoiled child.
Yeah, that always works when you are trying to attract the opposite sex…next time I go out, I am going to throw a temper tantrum somewhere public and see how many people find me attractive.
RE: AIT
Are you anywhere near any military installations?
I actually have no freakin’ idea. I only just moved to the area recently–I’m in Cincinnati, if that helps? *spreads hands* I’m still learning the lay of the land.
LBT, I don’t know anything about military help he can get, but I really hope he’s OK. Is his partner schizophrenic? The demon thing kind of sounded like she was having hallucinations.
Wonder where all these women are anyway that really want his cock ?
LBT:
Sorry, browser had a fit, so that got cut off. I could get you their number, and they could call their local Chaplain and see if they can help at all. The best thing about military Chaplains is they have complete confidentiality. If you talk to them, they will never divulge what you tell them to anyone. And if they don’t know how to help, there are plenty of other military programs for alcohol abuse.
The only problem is I really have no clue how accessible those are once you’re out of the military. I will try to get you as much information as I can for you. Pecunium probably has more information for the vet’s side of things.
Cincinnati is an hour and a half south of Wright Patterson Air Force Base. I used to live right near there, next to Dayton. I think there are some other military installations around, but that’s practically the biggest Air Force base in the US. I’ll ask my Army buddies.
My dad works at the base, and has plenty of military friends, so I’ll get the Chaplain’s number through him, and we’ll see what we can do.
No they’re not sexist, they just think they have the authority to tell women what they are and aren’t allowed to want sexually. If they disobey, they get bullied.
Jason actually refers to the story of the guy who put up the profile; he thinks the abuse he got is flattering to most women even though they say they don’t like it.
Some of the AVFM commenters — all of whom seem to love his post — think that women secretly love getting dick pics.
If I guy said that shit to me, I’d think I dodged a major bullet. Somehow I don’t think Jason’s well thought out plan is going to work the way he thinks it will.
RE: auggziliary
I have no earthly idea what’s going on with his partner, whether he was being literal or figurative or what. The guy was distraught and overwhelmed; I didn’t want to gouge him for details, especially when the cops were doing that already.
How awful. See, shit like this is actually where a decent men’s movement could be HELPFUL. *shakes head* At least he lives below me, so I can kinda keep an ear/eye out, right?
LBT:
I’m on their chapel website now, and I’m gonna give them a call myself, see if they can help.
Of course they do, they’re exactly the guys who send them. Unsolicited dick pics do nothing but illustrate the bad boundaries of the sender.
Here is how I imagine Jason Gregory’s epic rejection would go down on an actual dating site:
Soon-To-Be-Rejected-Lady: Wow, I like your cock, we should totally bang.
Jason: NO.
Soon-To-Be-Rejected-Lady: Oh… OK. I just thought you were up for taking this further since you sent me a picture of your dick.
Jason: NO. NO COCK FOR YOU.
Lady: Ok, well why did you send me a dick pic?
Jason: YOUR SOUL IS DOG SHIT.
Lady: What?
Jason: YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT AND A TOTAL FAILURE.
Lady: Well, that escalated quickly.
Jason: YOU ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A CUM-BUCKET. YOU NEED TO COMPENSATE FOR YOUR INADEQUACIES BY BECOMING KINKY.
Lady: Oh, is this a kink thing? I’m curious about that stuff, but we’d need to discuss the details first.
JASON: YOU AND YOUR SHOES AND YOUR POP-CULTURE MATERIALISM ARE A DOG-SHIT PURSUIT OF DOG SHIT AND SHOES AND YOU ARE BAD AT SUCKING COCK AND ALSO VAPID.
Lady: OK, I’m blocking you now, you creepy weirdo.
Jason:< YOU ARE BAD COCK SUCKING YOU DOG SHIT.
Your message to Lady could not be delivered.
LBT: Good on you for not just turning a blind eye. I’m sure the guy you helped is grateful as hell you were there for him, and believed him when he talked about it. One possible resource: (513) 946-3300 It’s the Hamilton County veterans’ services. Also: 1-877-OHIO-VET (1-877-644-6838) for the state-level agency. Since they aren’t active-duty, this might be their best bet to get some help.
LBT:
Got some more info. There’s a Military One Source Crisis Line at 800-342-9647, they can call that and see if there’s any resources available for them that way. There’s also Ft. Knox and Ft. Campbell over the Kentucky Border, if they’d like to reach an Army base. They will both have Chaplain teams there. u
The biggest thing the Chaplain told me is they have to be the ones who call for aid, they need to be the ones to say they need it. And it sounds like this guy will be willing.
Thanks again for looking out for them!
Freemage:
Thank you! Those are probably more relevant than what I have.
*Reads through the thread*
But feminists don’t give a shit about abused men, ohhhh noooooo….
To be honest, I’m having trouble making heads or tails of this one. He seems to think that women who get a lot of offers from men are really passive in bed and make their partners do all the work. He doesn’t explain where he gets that from, but in any case his repeated references to “cock riding” and “saddling up” that make it sound like the opposite is true.
He would probably find his sex life a lot more satisfying if he could communicate what exactly he wanted to his partner with a more clarity and without, you know, the seething hatred.
Geez louise. He would have sounded like a decent guy if he had known when to stop sharing his opinions. I think not sending pictures of your junk to women who didn’t request it is good policy, and that not slobbering over every woman you meet is likewise a good idea.
If he had stopped there instead of going to crazy town and running for public office…
I imagine that a lot of the guys who send unsolicited dick pics, and insist that this is a complement and a good thing for the recipients are the same guys who complain when a woman who’s not movie-star “attractive” wears a bikini at the beach.
At least be consistent in your terribleness. If you’re going to pull the “no one wants to see that” card (which you shouldn’t, because it’s terrible and false), accept when other people tell you the same!
(Think this would work? Maybe we can use their misogyny against them!)
JoJo: Just a heads-up: Unless you walk it back very quickly, you’re going to get a bit of well-earned pushback for “crazytown”. No ablism, plzkaythx.
(Follow-up to the above: I recommend substituting “Shitheadville” or “Asshat County” (in which case he’d be running for sheriff).)
you know what? If you are going to keep attacking me for petty reasons even though I’m on your side I’m just not going to talk to any of you. I’m tired of getting bullied in the comments on this blog.
That post seems to assume that no guy has ever rejected a girl that’s interested in him ever in the history of mankind. Those of us men that are living outside the land of make-believe know that both men AND women get rejected on a regular basis.
I guess MRAs are so hard up for a lay that it’s a foreign concept to ever THINK of saying no to a woman who’s interested…!
BTW, well done, LBT. Forgot to say.
*headdesk* here we go again…
I’m confused at what this is supposed to get him.
Problem: Women hardly say yes because they’re snooty little fucks.
solution: when a woman says yes, refuse and bully.
I’m guessing she’s supposed to go home and cry about the lack of cock, while he leaves smug and happy with all the lady tears.
I think it’s supposed to teach women that the supply of cock is going down because AVfM members are doing this. So women should just enjoy all the cock they can before men start going their own way. That sounds vaguely familiar… hmm….
JoJo: If my post falls under your definition of ‘attack’… *shrug* And it’s not a petty reason. That language causes real people real distress, and achieves nothing merit-worthy in the process.
Jojo, getting called out =/= bullying. Perpetuating the idea that crazy = bad and bad = crazy is contributing to the stigma and discrimination of people with mental illnesses, which is basically bullying.
When has Jojo been called out before? Just wondering.
Jojo, I don’t need “allies” who make ableist comments. You’re only being held to the same standard of everyone else here. I don’t know why you think you get to punch down at people living with mental illness, but I’d wish you’d change your mind because you don’t.
Auggz: Honestly, I hadn’t realized JoJo HAD been called out before. That’s one reason I tried to post fast-and-gentle; I was assuming a good-faith poster who just slipped up the way we all do from time to time.
Blech! As if there is enough abusive brainwashing in the world to make these asshats attractive.
Mayor of Bullshitsburgh!!
As much ‘sense’ in the back-assward MRA-logic way that would make, I think the answer to what this is supposed to accomplish is a lot simpler – women feel bad about themselves. End of story. These guys have finally out and confirmed my suspicions that they don’t want or enjoy sex with women outside of using it as an opportunity to humiliate the other party, and this dudebro thinks he’s found a way to circumvent the nasty physical bit.
Also, shoes and materialism? Do these guys all live in “Sex and the City” ? What real-world person, let alone majority of women, is like that?
Jojo: what the fuck? OK, if you want to play it this way, have a tantrum.
Auggz: the abelism’s new, but there have been some really sexist comments before.
Why. The. Fuck. can’t these people get it through their fucking thick heads that this ALREADY HAPPENS!!!!!!!!
I hate it when guys talk to me about dating and then start complaining about how I never hear no when I ask guys out. WHAT? I’ve been told no many times! Many girls get told no by guys they are interested in. I’M SO FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING THAT IT DOESN’T HAPPEN!!!!!
@chimisaur, pretty much.
Even if their goal is to get women to lower their standards, then they’re basically sacrificing their entire sex life(and social skills) just so women can have more sex with people who are not them.
Even that isn’t going to make sense. To be honest that’s just going to make women less willing to sleep with dudes, because they’re creating a society where men turn around and say “NO FUCK YOU DOG SHIT WHORE” for no reason when they’re about to have sex. That doesn’t even fix their idea of dick pics being a good thing. Why would women start saying yes to dick pics now? It only means that liking a dick pic means risking being called a DOG SHIT SOUL WHORE.
TL;DR: If their plan works, it just makes women feel crappy and less inclined to have sex, and also hate random dick pics more.
Right…Hey dudes you should have seen me KICK ASS man ! This chick totally wanted to ride my COCK! Like she was begging for it and I told her NO, DOG SHIT SHOE SHOPPER! <YOU DON"T DESERVE MY FREE COCK!! And she went away ..
HA HA HA!!!! I win!
Yeah, sheriff of Asshat County sounds about right. The idea, or willful insistence, that women are pleased and flattered by the sort of attention exemplified by the CreepyPMs is . . . well, with a bit of composting it would be good for your roses.
It reminds me, in a way, of my twelve year old son. He has great difficulty expressing any positive emotions, and sometimes resorts to swinging his fists while deliberately missing me. But he’s twelve, and mentally ill (not a figure of speech). Don’t know what effect puberty is going to have on him, but we’re going to work hard on having him not treat women that way. Given that he’s been in therapy since he was five, I suspect he thinks of women as people who are always asking him about his emotions.
Dear Jason Gregory:
You aren’t interesting. Your soul is dogshit. You have nothing to offer but a (TINY) twig and berries. You are a piece of shit and a total failure as a human being. I don’t find you attractive, and you aren’t even fit to be a sperm donor. You’re never going to be any good at sex, and need to stop pretending that you are doing women any favors, and become a slave by way of compensation. Your vapid life of “men’s rights activism” and sexual conquest are soulless pursuits of dogshit. Kneel and lick my boots!
Y’know, this works a LOT better when it’s turned around on him!
I hate to say it but he’s probably only encouraging others to say ‘no’ because he’s not even personally had a chance to say it to a lady. Not to make a personal attack on him, it’s just rather demonstrative of all the ‘activism’ these boys try to bring into force – it’s all talk and no action. Even these so-called PUAs make me suspicious that they actually do half the the rubbish they say they can/
Thanks, AIT and Freemage for the phone numbers. I’m not sure how I’ll get them to the guy–I’m worried his partner will take it from him, since hell, if she’s willing to violently assault the guy there’s no reason for me to believe she doesn’t have other abusive behavior tendencies. But I’ll maybe give it to the landlord so it goes directly to him? I’m not sure, both tenants are with the cops right now and I don’t know what the situation will be when I come back.
RE: JoJo
If you are going to keep attacking me for petty reasons even though I’m on your side I’m just not going to talk to any of you. I’m tired of getting bullied in the comments on this blog.
I’m mentally ill. I’ve been told that I deserve to die in the street because I’m crazy and don’t work like I should. If you feel bullied because someone called you out on calling a group of assholes “crazytown,” please, feel free to go; you sound like a whiny little ponce.
Wait, a moratorium on cock pics?
Why am I thinking of a stopped watch right now?
JoJo: everyone who uses ableist terms, or any other sort of racist/gendered/homophobic/trans phobic slurs, gets called out here. It’s very easy to do by mistake, because they are so common, and plenty of us have to learn to adjust the language – me included – and have been called out for it. It’s not an attack, it’s not specific to you, and shit, it’s not so hard to apologise and try not to do it again, is it? Doubling down and/or starting the I-am-being-bullied line are “when in a hole, stop digging” reactions.
LBT – holy shit, that’s awful. Super extra high fives for you for helping.
Well, in Mr Gregory’s case, it is worthless. The penis might be okay but it’s attached to an obnoxious, stupid, misogynistic human being, and that cancels any value it had.
I hope he does follow his little plan. I hope all his witless mates become MRTS* as well. It’ll ensure they never have sex with another human being again, and that’s a major win.
*Men Refusing Teh Secks
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that “no more dickpix for YOU, bitch!” isn’t actually a punishment, but a welcome reprieve.
Exactly its pure fantasy . He never said “do what I do .” (or have done) .
I imagine the first “girl’ that actually makes it clear she “wants his cock” his fantasy revenge rejection will evaporate, and he will probably ask her to marry him .
Still catching up: if little Jase’s real aim is the usual make-women-feel-worse-about-themselves, he’s misfiring there, too. I guess it might work if a woman has suffered enough internalised misogyny to care what some random fuckwit thinks just because he’s male. But if she hasn’t, it’s a case of “consider the source”. Little Mr Dipshit is just confirming that he’s a misogynist loser nobody would want, and setting himself up to be scorned and laughed at by even more women – just like he is here. Being insulted by creeptastic MRAs = I must be doing something right!
Oh, and Jason? If you’re reading this, google Pete Seeger. He died yesterday, and he did more for ACTUAL human rights just by opening up and singing than you ever will with all your angry keyboard-humping.
RE: Kittehs
Man, I WISH these guys would pull a reverse Lysistrata. Yes, please, PLEASE GO. Somehow, alllll those people who are aching for your cock (shitthatneverhappened.txt) will survive, I promise.
Unicorns for everyone!
I’m having really nasty thoughts about the sort of “I’ll take the cock but I don’t want you attached” message I’d be sending one of these idiots. The term “preserved in salt” plays a part (okay I’ve been reading Sherlock Holmes again, I admit it).
Can I have a unicorn like this?
I’ll take a rainbow pegasus unicorn that poops Oreos, please.
I need no more unicorns, since I apparently already am one. *snort*
Here’s the thing. If you want to continue commenting on blogs that are focused on social justice, you will find very little support for terms like that, and you will continue to be called out when you use them. That’s not just here on this blog. Being asked to think about the language and terms that you use isn’t petty. It’s something that all of us try to do for ourselves, as well. Our culture freely uses terms that slur people who are disabled (lame), mentally ill (nuts, crazy), etc., without even thinking about it. Here, we ask you to think about it. That’s really not an outrageous request.
It’s a bit late, but since we’re discussing accidentally ablist language:
The preferred phrasing would be “Does his partner have/experience schizophrenia?”
Heeeeey Chie! My roommates finally have me watching Persona 4! Not gonna lie, I was able to remember Chie’s name because of you. (And my next-up writeathon is going to be based on the concept of the shadow in part because of that.)
Also, holy projection, Batman! Seeing, assholes like MRAs called crazy (like me), that’s not an attack at all. But say, “hey, stop that,” is TOTALLY AN ATTACK AND BULLYING, Y’ALL.
Please, Jojo. If someone tells you to get off their foot, do you get this whiny about it too?